I love the idea that Freeze doesn’t realize that people can’t breath when trapped in ice and when he learns of this has a hysterical meltdown that lands him in Arkam Asylum.
Hypothetically speaking, if you're completely frozen and somehow are alive while frozen, you wouldn't need to breathe. All of your bodily functions would be stopped, meaning your cells aren't using oxygen, thereby removing the need to breathe. What WOULD kill you is the damage the freezing temps do to your cells.
@@Dovahkiin049 Technically speaking, if you were able to be cyrofrozen without the cells exploding thing, you would still be dead for all intents and purposes. In theory you could still be resuscitated assuming that part also scales up from those old frozen hamster experiments that revived frozen hamsters with mircowaves.
The regret in Mr. Freeze's "No..." after Batman told him he just killed Robin was actually pretty sad. Classic Batman, making villains go depressed just to say "Sike" and then beat them up
It's Dr. Fries. That's how his real name is spelled. Though he does have a Ph.D, "Mr. Freeze" is his pseudonym, and so must be taken as a unit. You'd never see him called "Dr. Freeze" any more than "Mr. Fries."
Mr. Freeze: How could you lie? You're supposed to be a hero! Batman: OK I hear you. Counterpoint; you're a terrorist. Mr. Freeze: Oh so all of a sudden that justifies you lying? Batman: In every conceivable way.
Peoples' cells don't explode when you freeze them, otherwise, there would be no such thing as cryogenics. What freezing does is slow down molecular movement.
One of the best quirks of Solid JJ’s dialogue has to be the characters actually speak over each other. Makes things feel more chaotic and natural than if they were to wait politely for each to finish during more emotional moments. And it reminds me of my friends Discord calls in game night.
i literally don't get why that's not done by default in all media. i saw a steamed hams vid where dialogue had been intentionally overlapped by like half a sec, and that like completely, 100% removed the (intentional) scripted feel and made the episode infinetly more realistic & natural
@@sterpogamer7958 Because it's really tricky to get good performances and sound mixing... Aaron Sorkin is really good at writing overlapping dialogue, that actors can manage in a single take, but a lot of time multiple takes have to be edited together because it's hard to keep things coherent while doing this.
fun fact: if you freeze something quickly enough, the water inside the cells doesn't have time to expand: they freeze in place. This is why we use LN2 to freeze living things we want to thaw later (in the 1950s we froze hamsters using LN2 and were able to revive them simply by microwaving them -- yes seriously), and use blast freezers to freeze meats in production. That said, yes, it's also true the cells explode if you freeze slowly. The problem with freezing human beings is there's a LOT of thermal mass, LN2 would have to be pumped throughout the body to get a fast enough freeze quickly enough, otherwise the organs just die, and when the cell walls explode from the ice crystals forming, they lose their structure. You get a literal pile of mush.
I was gonna search if it’s actually true that people die if they’re frozen because the idea made sense but the explanation that their cells explode didn’t, but I stopped to see if it would end up being the plot twist. In the end it was still unexpected as always
I dunno, this whole skit doesn't get enough appreciation. You very rarely see a Batman villain show regret and horror at what they've done. All we need now is a Bane episode where he realizes his Venom is poisoning him, and he decides to uninstall his "Venom glands", which is an extremely painful process and he immediately goes to a hospital outside of Gotham's care plans.
@@breakfaith3031 I don't know about Tim but Damian was kinda forced into being Robin or at least being a Nuisance to Batman. After all the little bastard is his own version of Mordred
@@breakfaith3031I don't know for sure but I got the impression that Tim Drake figured out their identities and kinda forced batman to train him after unsuccessfully trying to get Dick Grayson be be batman's partner again. He is convinced that Gotham needs batman, and batman needs robin
1:10 Mr. Freeze saying "Wait what? No... you wouldn't. What is wrong with you?!" And theb they proceed to beat the fuck out of him like they're the good guys here 🤣😭
including how far would the ice go? would it go down the throat? clog your stomach? up your nose and into your head? There's a lot of hollow areas that the ice can manifest it's way into and the body cannot handle water in those areas
@@Aceshot-uu7yx Even theoretical cryonic preservation requires bringing the entire body to freezing temperature slowly and evenly in a controlled environment. If we stretch that a bit for the sake of comics, then maybe Captain America's situation would work out if he could remain floating/breathing until his core temperature was brought sufficiently low by the freezing water, but in Robin's case he'd lose consciousness in seconds and suffocate to death not long after. Also, in reality cryonic preservation of organs/large mammals does not work because freezing cell tissues causes all sorts of damage to them even when done slowly and delicately.
One of the saddest revelations I had growing up was that people would die if you freezed them, and that you couldn't just freeze yourself to go into the future.
There are frogs which freeze themselves every winter, they secrete urea and glucose into their body to serve as an antifreeze so while they DO (mostly) freeze their cells don't do the whole "exploding" thing. They have a few other adaptations to survive the long and extreme conditions but when summer comes back around they thaw off and go back to normal. They were in an episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender if you watched that but not many people know those are real frogs. They live in the northern part of north America, around Canada and Alaska and parts of the east coast.
One of the weirdest ways I've seen Bruce handle a somewhat similar issue was when they were stranded in the tundra or something and Dick suddenly starts rambling about feeling warm, which is a sign of freezing to death (given his Robin costume, it's not exactly surprising the cold would get to him first). Bruce's solution was to just start insulting the shit outta him because you get all hot when you get mad. Because comics, it worked, but I will never not find it funny. No idea how helpful that'd actually be. I can see it buying a few seconds, but that's about it. Also, I love how this actually genuinely fits Mr. Freeze's character with him not actually wanting to hurt anyone.
Something similar is actually used by firefighters sometimes when trying to get trapped people who are falling unconscious (not from suffocation though, more trapped in places where blood flow is interrupted), insulting them and arguing with them to keep them conscious and coherent
@@grayanimate7166 I know of a similar trick, I've won drinking contests by repeatedly stabbing my self in the leg with a pen under the table until the other guy passes out.
I'm willing to bet this is a similar situation to the warmth you get from alcohol. You feel warm because your blood vessels near the surface dilate, allowing more of your blood to the areas around your temperature sensing nerves. This actually makes you lose body heat *faster* , as it means that extra blood is losing heat to your less well insulated extremities and skin, instead of keeping more of it in your core. So, it *might* stave off frost bite briefly, but at the cost of causing lethal hypothermia to set in faster.
In the comics, at least after he became a serious villain due to the BTAS version's influence, Mr. Freeze freezing someone actually is depicted as fatal most of the time, and unlike the Mr. Freeze here, he tends not to give a crap. I guess you could say he's a cold-blooded killer... I'll show myself out.
This was having me laugh the entire way but the ending genuinely made tears spawn in my eyes, so expertly done, even as a fan of your videos and plot twists I didn't see that coming
It's a bot everyone. They are impersonating an actual RU-vidr. Look at their videos. I don't think the guy is actually a MAP. But this bot is making them look like one
I really want a villain that's just running around mildly inconveniencing people for his own amusement, who's every encounter with the hero is just them being exasperated and giving him a slap on the wrist
or your classic evil superman clone, but instead of being homicidal or anything like that they're just a petty douche that no one can do anything about
Truth be told, this does actually make Freeze a lot more of an intimidating villain, considering the severe effects of hypothermia on a human being and Freeze's weaponry. BTW isn't it crazy that *this* depiction of Mr Freeze used to be how general audiences saw the character. Of course now we have Freeze as one of the most complex, tragic comic book villains out there, thanks to the animated series. Edit: Wow, over 1k likes in under an hour. Thank you so much. 😁
It's actually genius how solid jj subvert expectation on your average solid jj video, where usually things suddenly becomes realistic and dark, you believe what batman said about freezing someone, and then BOOM the last seconds plot twist is absolutely mesmerizing Unironically this has a better script than JW Dominion
"Yeah I can see where you're coming from. Counter point; _You're a terrorist."_ "So that justifies you tricking me into thinking I killed a child?!" _"In every conceivable way."_ "Oh- **BAM!**
Actually, freezing something (or someone) instantly would prevent the formation of ice crystals and reduce the chance of cells rupturing a LOT. All experiments to preserve living tissue in frozen form revolved around finding a way of freezing cells as quickly as possible. This would absolutely still kill Robin, just not (necessarily) for the reason stated in the video.
Depending on temperature and wind chill, necrosis and hypothermia can occur within 10 or 30 minutes. Robin was a popsicle in this case for less than 1 minute. This said, he WAS hit with a freeze ray capable of instantaneously ripping away thermal energy and he’s not wearing much thermal insulation. It’s possible that necrosis COULD have been instantaneous, but given Robin’s ears and nose are still attached, he likely was merely *encased* in ice rather than directly frostbitten. Possibly, the freeze ray created/placed a water barrier around its target and froze it, as opposed to directly exposing the victim to chill factors. Water-based heat-convection factors aside, this likely could create the case that the ice behaved like an igloo and CONTAINED heat rather than lowered it, assuming there was a gap between his skin and the surrounding ice wall. Not a very STRONG case, as convection could still steal heat, but it IS funny to think Freeze could have accidentally *warmed Robin up.* Asphyxiation would actually be more dangerous here than hypothermia. Brain damage occurs after 5 minutes of lack of oxygen, and you have enough air in your lungs (assuming you’d just inhaled) to last about 1 minute and 30 seconds in consciousness. With training and focus, maybe longer. Robin appears to be lucky here. He won’t experience permanent damage due to either cold or asphyxiation, and at best just got slightly shivery. The science I’ve seen seems to suggest he WOULD in fact survive being a popsicle for less than a minute. Conclusion: Batman was right not to be too afraid…and he’s also a dick. Also ironic, Mr. Freeze doesn’t understand cold as well as he THINKS he does. My only question is…how the crap did Robin get OUT?
There is another possibility. The size of the ice crystals depends largely on how long it takes an item to freeze. More time to freeze solid = larger and sharper ice crystals to turn cells into popped water balloons. If Freeze's gun can near instantaneously freeze an object solid by removing all thermal energy, it's possible the water in the body can freeze quickly enough to not form large crystals and prevent cellular rupture. In such a case Robin would exist in a state of suspended animation and if thawed quickly enough, could recover. However even if thawed you would basically end up with a fresh corpse and would need to treat him like someone who dies by falling under the ice.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure 80% of comic book villains do it for the attention, period. Sure, some may attempt to justify themselves, but who are they kidding? They just like freezing people. Or smashing through walls. Or running around the city in green spandex.
The joke here is the way it has always been portrayed with freezing in Comics like this is that you won't actually get frozen but insteads the Air surrounding you. SO yes you would probably not die from the freezing...but you will still suffocate enclosed in ice
Presumably, such an attack would also cool you off to the point where it takes a very long time for you to suffocate, because all bodily processes are so heavily slowed.
@@kenonerboy There's a saying in the medical field: "You're not dead 'til you're warm and dead". Massive cooling allows the body to survive incredible scenarios by virtue of slowing *everything* down, like heart transplants, enormous injuries, suffocation, or (amusingly) frostbite. People have, in fact, survived being literally frozen because of this.
You know it’s an excellently designed joke when you can predict the punchline perfectly and somehow the execution still has you laughing for a straight minute.
I actually didnt expect Robin to be okay. I'm so used to the grimdark "realism" you add to these videos. Then Freeze got onomatopoeiad Edit: Its a bot in the comment thread everyone. I think some bad person decided to make a bot to pretend to be an actual RU-vidr and make them a MAP. They probably arent. Just look at the videos they have on their channel. It's not theirs. God the people who make bots can be so...bad.
"You just killed a small child" And who was it who dressed that child up in spandex and threw him at villains? Gotham's already essentially Detroit and PubG combined, and you're putting him up against super villains with powers, when he has none!
The fun thing is, the faster you freeze something the less time there is for icecrystals to form that hurt the cells, so his instant freeze could actually be sometimes somewhar safe for a small amount of time.
Freeze holding up an ice cream cone out of nowhere while grieving is just so in character. He's so addicted to ice puns his body does that subconsciously.
Depending on how fast you freeze an organic object the cells won't necessarily explode. Ice is only larger than water for the first few degrees below 32⁰F. The real trouble would be thawing someone out fast enough thay they don't die/become necrotic without burning their extremities to a crisp.
i would LOVE superhero series with this dynamic, cartoon villains do cartoonily evil things while the heroes are realistic but aware of the cartoonish world they're in and take that to their advantage
I mean, most iterations of Mr. Freeze since post crisis have actually been *trying* to kill people with ice, or at the very least they wouldn't care if they killed someone. Batman got lucky he's in the golden age i guess.
When you do all the science for refrigeration but forget that it's _slow_ freezing that makes the cells explode (due to pointy ice crystals forming), while _flash_ freezing leaves the cells intact
I like how Mr Freeze just wanted to freeze people but felt actually very bad for the people he froze and felt sad since he thought he killed them. And then he gets jumped
You know if I had a nickel for every time a bird-themed child character got frozen in a block of ice, I'd have two nickels- which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
