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I thought the joke was going to be that if his parents had prep time, Batman wouldn't exist, so what would be Batman's prep-time plan for ensuring his parents wouldn't have prep time and securing his own existence?
@@HPMCCPooTis yo if people have been denying time travel in dc they must have seen like one Clooney batnipple and decided they got the whole picture. In dc the question isn’t “whether time travel exists” it’s “what flavor do you want?”
They did, they just didn't take advantage of it. Supermans dad wanted to put all of them in the phantom zone and then have one kryptonian in a rocket go to another planet and release everyone. They didn't listen, so he sent his only son instead to a safe place.
Intelligence and resources play a role too. Batman is a billionaire with access to high levels of tech, Superman is an alien who has access to advanced tech from his planet. Even among super heroes having resources at that level is rare. Give a random thug 1 year to kill Superman and there is a high probability he will come up with nothing. Oh he might know kryptonite exists, but he won't have the resources to acquire it.
@@tfordham13 A random thug? Naah. This isnt the tv show "Smallville" where you can find it on every random street corner. In the comics Superman and his allies actually went around collecting most of it. Is it impossible to get? No, but sorry nope no random thug is getting their hands on genuine kryptonite. And he'd be dead before he could even pull it out of his pocket anyways. Superman could vaporize him from orbit. Oh sure Superman normally wouldnt vaporize a guy, but then again random thugs dont normally get kryptonite either. So if we're gonna toss normalcy out the window lets have fun with it. BTW Superman survived a nuclear bomb while exposed to kryptonite, but sure a "little bit" will do it ;)
Funny thing is, in the comic where Bane breaks Batman’s back, not only did Bane ambush Batman in his home, but Batman was also exhausted from having to re-catch all the criminals that escaped Arkham Asylum when Bane destroyed the walls. Bane left him no time for prep time.
In the comic where Green Lantern kills Batman he *checks notes* destroys the entirety of DC aside from a tiny pocket dimension. (Zero Hour) Somehow Batman’s prep time didn’t counter all of time and space being turned to nothing. ---------- Batman also gets Superman’s powers at one point but it kinda drives him nutty. He takes down the Justice League who are trying to calm him. You know who beats Kryptonian level Batman? Clark freaking Kent with prep time. Concocts some science/magic thing with some help from Zatanna to swap them back and actually mentally outplays Batman. ----------- Darkseid omega beams him. But Batman shoots him with a god killing bullet (breaking his vow) before he gets got (and we get an awesome scene of bloodlusted Superman holding Batman’s skeleton). ------------ Eobard Thawne beats the tar out of Batman and mentally tortured him a bit before Manhattan of all people kills Thawne (for a bit… it’s Thawne he doesn’t die) ---------- That’s all his major deaths/losses off the top of my head. Funnily enough I don’t think he ever really prepped for any of them. But after he HATED Green Lantern and was super suspicious/paranoid of him, he got a suit that could hold off Darkseid and Flash helps him after Thawne attacks so maybe Batman asked for some tips.
Gotta love that Luthor went from "I'm gonna shoot you with this laser in 5 seconds" to 5-10 business days, truly a worthy adversary who understands the importance of prep time
@@dolphindiverbct8297 ...what. "T" is commonly used to refer to start time, especially for launches or operations. "T-5 minutes" means 5 minutes before start. I'm now going to put a 🤓 here for myself on the off chance you were being sarcastic and already knew that
Batman: “Think about it, if your Father had the right amount of prep-time, he would’ve been able to save the people of Krypton” Superman: “It was a slow but gradual process that was covered up by Brianiac to give himself time to gather data and leave. He couldn’t have done anything” Batman: “Well sounds like Brianiac gets the value of prep-time”
☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ 💀 👍👍👍 "That's for the PREP TIME JOKE, about *MY* DEAD PARENTS CLARK !!!!" Here's some F*CKIN' KRYPTONITE IN YOUR F*CKING EYE SOCKETS TOO, WHILE WE'RE AT *IT* !!!"
@@stevehagen9804 meaning before this video started, Batman was already prepared to convince Superman that Prep Time beats everything. Not only did Luthor agree with Batman's terms, but Superman was outed as the bad guy with his batman's parents comment and then proceeded to blow Clark's mind with the get real statement.
Oh Lex and Bruce are business partners, this whole thing is just like going golfing or visiting Epstein Island, it's how the ultra rich pass the time and maintain their networks
But that’s why we had prep time before this video came out so that we could plan for the prep time we’d need fo an eventual funny comment to be made when the video hypothetically would have come early than initially thought
This is literally a Not True Scotsman logical fallacy. We can state that there is enough prep time only when its amount ensures Batman's victory. Therefore, statement "Batman can defeat amyone if given enough prep time" is circular and holds no meaning.
You see the thing is, Luthor, like Batman, is a business man, so having your employee asking for delay in business day triggered a natural reaction of " Yeah that's okay ,better than I would have expected, usually they ask for month and overtime pay or some bullshit" so he went along with it
I love how it took batman only a few seconds to proudly say "They would've worn Kevlar" trauma or not, hes smug when he can make a point. Absolutely floored me.
Honestly when I heard that one I facepalmed, like, come on superman, of all the things Batman's gone through, his parents' death was one that prep time could actually completely negate
He's probably thought about it for years so Batman had the prep time ready already to quickly respond to Superman. Batman: 1 Superman: 0 Batman's Parents: 0
The fact that superman is played as the only normal thinking person in that entire room only for the universe to say "thinking normally? Lol do you know what universe you're in?" Is honestly just darn clever writing
@@kubamcmillan3078 I was waiting for that to be the joke for I'm going to get you in 15 seconds joke. Just batman acting unprepared and then whipping out some kryptonite. "I never leave home without it."
These sorts of fanboys may have actually tarnished Batman a little for me cause of how mixed I am on it. Apart of me loves bats being a badass, but part of that definitely just came from his ingenuity and ability to problem solve when he DIDNT have a plan It just made him seem so cool to see him on the back foot rather than literally always be in control by treating him like someone who truly is only human
Because preptime applies to everybody who's not crippled in their entire body or in a coma. If batman gets prep-time then so does whomever he's fighting too
People: Batman is my favorite superhero because he's gritty and realistic. He's just a normal guy trying to do the right thing without superpowers. Those exact same people without a hint of irony: It is impossible for Batman to lose any fight, and he could in fact kill God with enough prep-time.
@@obsidiandragon1385nah, he didn't kill Darkseid in Final Crisis. He's just mortally wound him with the gun that darkseid use to kill orion. It was the Black Racer and Superman that put an end to him.
@@obsidiandragon1385dude, there is literally a really WIDE gap in power if we are going to compare Darkseid to Lucifer, the second most powerful being in dc who is far behind the power of his dad.
The funniest thing about the Batman being able to win any fight with enough prep time argument will always be the fact that this applies to literally EVERY single person on the planet.
In some versus battles, intelligent characters are given time to even the odds. Usually it's a specific amount of time. Thinking of something doesn't always mean you can make it happen. I can think of building a robot army, but I would have no clue how to actually do it. If I were eggman or batman, it would be possible for me to actually bring that into a fight.
You know not long ago I was replaying Arkham Knight, standing on a platform considering how best to deal with the multiple armed men guarding a watch tower I needed to take down. When eventually I DID swoop down I just stood there as everyone around me aimed and attempted to fire, only to have their guns either jam up or just explode, incapacitating them. Those who remained conscious went to replace their jammed guns, only to find the ammo boxes on site had been electrified and they were soon unconscious too. I should probably mention I used the disruptor from above to achieve jamming all the weapons and electrfying the ammo crates, which took nearly two freaking hours. Was the wait worth it? Obviously. Batman with prep time.
@@StateOfTheMind11225 if there was one Arkham game that didn’t give Batman vibes, which would it be? I’d say either Origins or Asylum. They don’t have that free roam map like Arkham city and Knight.
Honestly, I love that part in Arkham Knight the best. The options with which the player can choose to dispatch your opponents. I can sorta tell what platform you were on just by your descriptors alone. Was it on Miagani?
My favorite part about this is that it combines Batman's overt power of extensive preparation with his *real* power, manipulating the opponent into doing something to help him.
Superman saying "You can't always just be prepared for everything alright sometimes you'll lose its normal it's fine" is actually very good life advice
Ok but Batman keeps kryptonite in his belt in several different forms he has kryptonite knuckle dusters a kryptonite shard a kryptonite knife bro has kryptonite chewing gum and has kryptonite in his blood bro is literally the anti super man equation
@@A_Terrible_Person Superman could literally just look at batman's head and make it explode with heat vision, superheroes like Batman stay alive because the writers want them to
Ironically, Batman is one of those heroes who *does* lose a lot. That's *usually* the pattern for a new villain/mystery. Something crazy happens, Batman investigates, stops the goons, almost stops the crime, gets in a fight with an enemy more powerful/weirder than he expected. Batman gets KO'd, they escape, he uses clues he got from the crime scene to figure out what they're doing and how to best deal with the new threat. He makes some kind of gadget, serum, batmobile modification, etc, and actually stops the crime *and* new threat.
That's like, the most basic way to write a conflict. The hero encounters a problem, they lose and then retreat, then they come back with a better plan. There are other superheroes that prep a ton before a fight, but Batfans for some reason always assume any other characters besides Batman are bumbling idiots and not, you know, functional and mature adults that fight other-worldly threats on a regular basis.
@@hoangkienvu7572 you not even lying like iron Man for example has a suit for every situation almost. If he fought Superman he'd have a kryptonite suit that shoots off of Red Sun radiation and beat him too
@@angelcanez4426 and even then superman can just pull something out of his ass like his villains have used kryptonite against him multiple time in the past but he has always come out on top. I don't see what Batman is doing that hasn't been done before.
@@hoangkienvu7572 It's because Batman's "The World's Greatest Detective." In Marvel terms, "Detective Supreme." He has permission from the writers to pull some bullshit whenever he needs, like Doctor Strange or Reed Richards.
@@angelcanez4426 kryptonite armor powered by red sun energy, that must be the most cancerous thing i have ever heard, and i play alot of xbox online games
“Batman, you should know better than any of us that if someone really wanted to hurt you, they wouldn’t give you a heads up.” “Heads up super friends, I’ll be killing you now” “You can’t write this.” That fricking killed me. If only I had had 5-10 business days to prepare for it
-"We'll defeat you, And your space laser!... in 5 to 10 bussiness days" -"We just had a whole conversation abou...." -"Okay I guess that works...Byyeee!" -"Alright team, I got us some Pre"P" Time" Lolololol... the comedic timing and VA are so perfectly on point!
i mea if i know im gonna get shot latter im wearing a bullet proff vest and bring so body grouds for aids maybe sending them to line the theather to the house with out brouce know i mean if wayne tech has the funds for bat man they could hire people
The important thing to remember is that each second he isn't in a fight is a piece of prep time he's using. He's constantly got more and more plans and backups for backups. You wouldn't need to give him time to get ready. You'd have to race to kill him before he pulls out your hyper-specialised maguffin.
@@kieranadamson3224 that's only planning. Not prep time. If a fight between him and Flash suddenly happened, Batman wouldn't be prepared despite the fact he planned. He has to _know_ the fight will happen to take advantage of his planning. He doesn't have an infinite inventory to keep all of his plans in.
@@Need_RnR batman : tbf my parents don't have prep time that mugging happens so sudden and my father didn't ask for prep time wich is a mistake i will never make from that day
The reveal is that this entire scenario is just one of Batman's many hypotheticals that he repeats in his head in order to prepare for when these conversations could come to pass
@@Eshiay bribe? He came up with Luthor's entire plan, and strategically placed them in his office, so he'd find them at the exact right time. Making him think he'd come up with them and forgot
@@Eshiay Knowing how these skits work, Luthor was having this exact conversation with the Legion of Doom and decided to phone the Justice League to make a point *Joker:* Look, Lex, you're not always going to have prep time. Sometimes, you just have to go out there and be spontaneous. *Luthor:* That might work for you, but a good plan makes for good results! Imagine if you were fighting Batman but spent the past two weeks preparing. *Bane:* Two years would be better *Luthor:* Look, Bane, it's Joker. We need to start small *Joker:* That sounds a lot like waiting. Why wouldn't I just attack Batman at this very moment? *Luthor:* Joker, I see you're not getting the point. Bane, can you hand me the landline?
I was laughing already but when Batman said "get real" and Superman looked at his hands, I was in stitches. You broke my funny bone worse than Bane broke Batman's back.
@@armamentarmedarm1699 You know the game King's Quest VII? You know that part where you have to get a cowardly corpse a brand new spine so he'll be brave? Well that's one of the many places Batman DIDN'T get that spine from.
Batman studies Stoic philosophy, and mentally runs through all the worst things people might say to him every night, so that if and when such things do come to pass, he'll have the perfect comeback already prepared on his Bat Cue Cards.
I like how they went from a logical Batman statement of "Given enough prep time" to the crazy Batman statement of "I'm always prepared at all times for everything"
But it's not logical at all, just a crutch for waving away limitations. Superman destroys the Earth; what is prep time going to do? Superman destroys the Sun; what is prep time going to do? Etc. In comic books Batman can come out on top, because the author wants him to win and engineers it. But most of the time it's nonsensical.
@@louisguillebeau494 i blame the writers when was the last time we saw a intelligent detective batman paranoid untrusting he tries to prepare against most supers he has kryptonite because the moment lex luthor or some other villian uses it publicly against superman batman would get that rock with his resourses
I love clark saying "if someone really wanted to hurt you he wouldn't give you a heads up" only to be immediately interrupted by lex give the justice league a heads up
@@HungPham-qq6me Internet comments always give you that though. It's real-time arguments where you want to call timeout to get prep time for your comeback.
"How long exactly is prep time?" "Enough." I mean, he's right. The point of prep time is that each person gets enough time to prepare for their opponent, which is very different from always being prepared for them. The reason it's used on Bats so much is because he has the resources, intelligence and drive to figure out the weakness of just about any being and then exploit it, he just needs time to do all that. That's not applicable to everyone. Shoot, Lex Luthor usually uses prep time to try and get one over on Superman yet still loses pretty much every encounter they have.
People forget that Batman can't always prep for everything. Literally the reason why Bane broke his back on several occasions and got infected by Joker's toxin. Also most of his prep takes a long time and most of his crazy feats like making an op bullet to shoot Darkseid with was with help from Orion and other people.
the best punchline of this is that after Superman mentions Batman's parents, fans of the channel expect some dark, fucked up tangent accompanying the eerie silence, or we expect some monologue about how Batman is insecure and always has to win to feel valuable, followed by a twist gets us to a zaney conclusion. But no, it just goes back to regular pacing and it's like a tonal kick in the face
Feels more like an actual conversation that way because when you've got good social skills and respect for each other you understand that people screw up and blunder in a conversation sometimes and you move past it
@@peterk.2108 Nah, my father died when I was young, at a certain point even if it's mean it's really easy to dodge and move past cuz it comes up so much.
In all honesty, as soon as Superman said "What would you do if I attacked you right now?" Batman would have pulled a kryptonite shard out of his gauntlet and held it to Superman's face, saying, "See? I had Prep time."
This reminds me of the teen titans movie when Robin (Damian drake) took out superman then the others look at him & he said batman gave him plans & gear to beat all the justice league. (Even himself)
I like how Batman's 'defeat superman' plan is just the All Star Batman plan for taking down Green Lantern. He knew Hal Jordan couldn't control anything yellow, so he tricked Green Lantern into entering a room painted entirely yellow (including painting himself and Robin yellow).
I liked how N52 showed early Batman totally guessing with his Justice League counters Superman - Kryptonite (sure… but a chunk isn’t gonna do a ton) Aquaman - Dehydrate him with a special compound Batman made (sure) Cyborg - Hack him (sure, Batman had been studying Vic for a while) Flash - Lightning Rod (Batman’s plan was to somehow tag flash and hope lightning would undo his powers… not remotely how it works. And good luck tagging Flash) Green Lantern - Yellow Lantern Ring (Hal had been curbstomping yellows for a while and going toe to toe with Sinestro… whereas Batman was completely untrained and his ring only had .25% charge. He can barely phase a guy Sinestro casually takes apart with the ring… no way he’s touching Hal) Wonder Woman - …get Superman to stop her. (No seriously, he told Clark he had nothing for her and Clark would have to be the one to stop her… WHILE Clark was dating her. Bruce literally asked Clark to beat up his girlfriend for him.)
@@wr5488 Didn't WW had a mental manipulation that would make her believe to be in a neverending fight for her life, thus killing her through heartache?
@@drakegrandx5914 That was the Post-Crisis plan he developed against her (and Ras modified). Funnily enough though that shouldnt work as Diana should have limitless stamina. Shes a magical automaton essentially, made from clay and powered by gods. Bruce/Ras' plan wouldve just resulted in WW fighting against an imaginary enemy forever. New 52 though he had only been around the other Leaguers like 5 years at that point. He was still trying to figure out how to stop them if need be... BUT his counter for Flash actually helped stop the Earth-3 Shazam, and his Green Lantern counter (the yellow ring) had juuuuuuust enough energy to get Sinestro's attention and summon him to earth... where he proceeded to literally hack apart Batman's enemy. (Sinestro likes Batman)
I like how this tears apart the prep time argument so easily. If Batman is caught off guard properly, he's dead. It really is plot armor and not prep time lol. The spin on how they react and present arguments is great too. I had a former friend who would just ignore our hypotheticals because they would ruin his argument. This reminds me so much of him it's unreal. "you can't write this" freakin' killed me. It doubles as him being actually mad at you, as the writer, and him being in disbelief lol.
@@orangenostril They know exactly how plot armor works. Batman conveniently being prepared for anything no matter how unexpected is textbook plot armor.
"If some random guy is coming at you are they gonna give you a year in advance" I just realized Batman trained for years to become the best there is. So in some way has Batman always had prep time?!
@@TheACcam Even if that was the only theater showing what they wanted to watch, they could've just not gone into the alley. I feel like a drive around a single block would be better than walking through a dirty alley.
What Superman doesn't realize is that Batman is prepping even when you don't realize it. Batman has known Superman for years and all that time has been prep time, but Batman doesn't want him to know that he has layers upon layers of contingencies, so he employs one of Sun Tzu's classic tactics, "appear weak when you are strong."
Superman is exactly the kind of cocky mfers that will see Batman run into the building, think "there's no way he's doing the kryptonite building thing, it's probably just a trick to buy time. Well I'M not falling for it!" Then immediately fly into the building made entirely of kryptonite
In the comics, doesn't Batman have a large portion of the world's Kryptonite locked away in vaults in case Superman goes rogue? And Green Lantern, come off it, he can get yellow paint.
@@dmgroberts5471 He certainly does, and he has contingencies for every other single member of the Justice League too. It's been kind of his thing for 20 years now
@@CycleMantis Im calling it now that solid JJ is gonna have this reappear in a future video. Specifically it's gonna be Superman hesitating to enter some building as a callback., leading to an angry discussion with his friends.
Using the prep time he had to prepare for that argument before the video started, Batman called up his friend Lex and asked him to interject at the appropriate time.
I love how Batman's argument is that he could beat anyone with enough prep time. And Clark's way to counter it is asking what if he attacked him right now.
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The thing people forget is that batman's prep time starts the moment he becomes aware of their existence. He uploaded a virus into cyborg the day they first met *just in case* cyborg ever needed to be taken down. It's not that batman just needs time to plan, it's that he's always planning.
I always found curious that when people imagine Batman fighting "with prep time", they don't consider that his adversary would have prep time as well. Additionally to whatever super power they have over Batman.
Because Batman's prep time is all the time. He doesn't sit back and wait for the league to turn evil, he plans to the possibility and designs death traps for each of them. He's already had his prep time, now the fight begins.
@@MrDj232 that's only planning. Not prep time. If a fight between him and Flash suddenly happened, Batman wouldn't be prepared. He has to _know_ the fight will happen to take advantage of his planning. He doesn't have an infinite inventory.
you see prep-time is just a shorthand, its jsut meant to refer to abtman always having a plan either se tup in adancae or jsut being prepared for a situation he cna predict, which ahs elad to jokes lie the bat shar repellant and such. THe phrase is jsut mean tto hghlight batman's intelligence. And if there is soemthing batman himself can't handle? well, that's what the jsutice league is for. Because if batman alone cna't solve it then it has to be a grand scale problem.
I was half-expecting it to turn out that Batman had even prepared for this argument with Superman by convincing Luthor earlier on to call the Justice League to prove Batman's point at exactly the right moment
Ok but people keep forgetting he's literally the most prepared to fight super man like he keeps several kryptonite items in his belt from kryptonite knuckle dusters to kryptonite chewing gum he has kryptonite in his blood not even joking if super man hits him hard enough to spit blood he can spit it in his face and disable Superman
that sadly only work with main universe Batman, unlike all the other less important universe and dark mulitverse's Batman, they may prep time with their life on the line or even if they won, civilian casualty is already too much.
Which god exactly? Appearently some gods are into macoism to the point that they let powerless mortals kill them so they can get off, just look at jesus, he got killed by powerless mortals. Dude, definally got off from it for him to allow it to happen
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 Imma be for real, super man beats Batman. I don’t care about prep time, supes is just too fast for anything to happen in time. Batman pulls out the super suit and kryptonite blad- Ah shit he’s a pile of blood. Take out the red sun gun or some thing along those lin- ah shit he’s a pile of blood. Batman hides to build weapons. Supes looks through the wall, unless you give Batman an unfair advantage by giving him a lead wall.
