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Are there any Yugioh creators that you’d like me to do this with from the Magic side? Let me know here ⬇️

The big downside to Victory Dragon is that you can just concede before it deals damage and you avoid the match winning effect. I think in the no banlist tournament it might have been in Japan where you're not allowed to concede, which makes the card a lot better.

"Cards that let you pay life are always a red flag" Yep. My favorite saying in Magic is that you start the game with 1 Life and 19 Resource Points

I thought you were joking when you were talking about Victory Dragon. It’s really bad in the TCG because you can surrender at anytime so it’s effect will never go off. If you’re about to lose the match to V Dragon you can just say “I surrender” and then go to game 2 or 3. It’s broken in the OCG (Japan, Korea etc) because you can’t surrender until turn 10 or something there.

I once went up against a deck using Chaos Max and Impcantation, they ritual summoned Chaos Max, used Shien's Spy to give me a defense position Candoll, and attacked into it for game. Never saw it coming

One of these days, I want people that do these kinds of videos to show a clip of a full YGO combo after introducing Maxx "C", just to see their guest's reaction X)

Grass was so good people played 60 card decks just so their opponent's Grass wouldn't do much. It was bonkers

Jim should know Grass is an insane card. Any time a card wants to self-mill a lot of cards, it should raise eyebrows.

This type of video has been done a lot before but the fact that you actually play magic and could explain things in magic terms and examples made it really interesting! I would love to see more!

To clarify one thing about the bit about Snow- The battle position of a monster that'd been put face-down can be flipped back face-up IF the monster wasn't summoned that turn and it's battle position wasn't changed before being flipped face-down. Also, Snow's not once per turn.

It’s so impressive how much he can extrapolate from his experience with MTG. It really shows that even though YGO is very complex, there is very much a way to translate skills from other card games. This is really good news specially after Rarran’s experience with Master Duel and card comprehension.

To be specific about the cards shown in the artwork of "Into The Void", they are cards that want your hand to be empty. The intended use for this is to take advantage of the "discard your hand" part.

i think the concern over low defense might be because of mtg players not realizing that damage doesnt remain on monsters like they do for creatures in mtg and is irrelevant unless in the appropriate position so he might've though that a monster may be a glass cannon of sorts being super strong but dying in a single battle from any battle

Aren't all match winner cards in YGO banned because they're mostly prize cards? You can also concede at instant speed I think which means they would never go off.

Final Countdown was a backup plan for Mystic Mine burn decks, and in the past during slower formats I'm pretty sure it won worlds or something? It's a card that's extremely good depending on the format. If the right floodgates are legal, it's literally the best alternative win condition in the game and arguably the only viable one since deep draw exodia crumbles to two interruptions 99% of the time and it literally cannot go second, while Final Countdown totally can go second if Mystic Mine, Skill Drain, Anti-Spell Fragrance, Red Reboot, etc. are all legal and also Terraforming and Metaverse are both at 3 (Chicken Game gets an honorable mention as an enabler.) While dedicated Mystic Mine strats usually used burn as the primary wincon, having a copy of Final Countdown handy was a great way to ensure your eventual victory since its counter lingers and can't be popped, unlike Mine itself or Cauldron of the Old Man, the primary source of burn damage in that deck.

Dang he's so spot on with the logic of the cards you presented like around 90%

Some times, Some times you are playing master duel in diamond 3, your oponent plays chaos max and you realise that you dont have outs in your deck.

I would have used shaddoll to explain grass is greener. "There's a whole archetype where almost every card does something when sent to the graveyard, does something in the grave yard, or does something to the grave yard. You activate this on your first turn and give you a ton of advantage for 1 card"

Grass is a good card, but it's worth noting that it's legal in Japan and most decks don't play it. His instinct honestly wasn't that far off.

Once I played against someone who used "Final Countdown" together with "Number 59: Crooked Cook" For those who don't know: Crooked Cook is an effect monster that is unaffected by other card effects as long as you don't control any other cards on your side of the field. The opponent also used a card that gave Crooked Cook protection against being destroyed by battle. So he had a monster that couldn't be destroyed by battle and was unaffected by card effects. There are ways to play around that strategy (burn damage, piercing / trample damage, cards that can use the opponents monsters as tribute fodder) but if you don't have those cards in your deck, it's very easy for the opponent to stall those 20 turns. In my case, my opponent made one mistake. Because of hand size limit (you are not allowed to have more than six cards on your hand at the end of your turn), he had to discard one card and chose a monster. I had a monster on my side of the field that allowed me to summon one monster from my opponents graveyard to his side of the field. After doing so, Crooked Cook wasn't the only monster on my opponent's side of the field anymore, so he was no longer unaffected by card effects. I managed to destroy Crooked Cook and won shortly afterwards. Without that mistake on my opponent's side, he probably would have won.

Great video! I somehow never get tired of these, seeing the perspective of players from other card games is so interesting to me. The guy who guessed the cards did a fantastic job, I was really impressed by how accurate his analysis sometimes was despite not even knowing all the basics of YGO before the "quiz", I really thought Appointer would get him.

Great content, would love more of it. One small thing, about Victory Dragon. I think the overall expressed sentiment on it was much more positive than it should have been. The card's not good. It was indeed played in no-banlist OCG tournies but only as a 1-off in dragonlink decks. It's more a win-more cards rather than your main game plan. As the card only works when going second in a format where a bunch of people are just planning to FTK with massive consistency. The OCG mention is also important because surrendering works differently in OCG and the TCG. In the TCG you can surrender at any time. In the OCG you have two options on surrendering: you can surrender the MATCH at any time or you can offer your opponent a DUEL surrender which they can then choose to refuse effectively keeping you hostage in the game. Meaning in the TCG this strat wouldn't work as even if your opponent managed to setup everything and declared an attack to kill you with victory dragon you could just surrender the duel at that point. This caused judge call nightmares and is the reason why all future match-winner prize cards were printed as illegal to play, so that they aren't just cluttering the banlist. So overall, victory dragon did nothing in the TCG except annoy some judges and Jim was spot on that the card's gimmicky at best. So yeah, wouldn't really call the card good, especially considering it never saw tournament success in the official formats.

11:00 really interesting comparison I like to think of Maxx C as a Rhystic Study but there's no option to pay 1

I love these types of videos and this one was great! Please make more if possible 🙏

I've seen a few videos like this, but it is the first time me seeing someone doing so good and "understanding" game mechanics.

I love how in these videos you know how to explain equivalent terms like you have to sacrifice a creature to normal summon a level 5 because there's so many similarities and a lot of people just miss them.

I love these style of videos, and this one was really fun (even though I know basically nothing about YuGiOh!).

Just found this channel, currently binging all the content. Keep up the great work. Fun fact about maxx c, it was completely unplayed fot like a year when first released because no one payed attention to how much soecial summoning wwas going on.

Watching this now when snake eyes is tier 0 / .5 is hilarious. He said “they don’t normally put cards in the backrow as spells”. Oh if only you knew. Haha

I will say, one thing I like about your videos if this format is that, having played Magic, you can speak their language to explain things. Normally there is such a "language barrier" in these kinds of videos, which is always frustrating for me as someone who goes back and forth between the games.

Holy shit jim is insane actually

This is a very well versed man in card games, he instantly knows when something is good or bad lol

I like this one, other channels always pick like archetype specific cards for this which are the absolute WORST to rank in power scalling, since their power largely depends on the archetype itself rather than the card shown, while these were selected much more competently. Edit: ultimate offering wouldnt be good today due to how fast the game is, having to wait two turns to use it is a death sentence for the viability, plus its extra slow being a continious trap. There is a reason the only continious traps that do see play are cards that either bring with them some in archetype advantage or floodgates that can win games on their own. Victory Dragon is a complete meme too since at least with TCG rules you can just surrender before the attack connects, making it a worthless brick. I have no idea where this idea of Victory dragon being anything but hilariously bad comes from. I agree they will never unbann it, but it has nothing to do with the cards actual strength.

I'm surprised he didnt mention King of Skull Servants with That Grass Looks Greener. That deck can combo off like crazy and easily get a 13000 KoSS out in one turn along with a bunch of other special summons in play

Jim is just sick. 30 min into the video, the guy is killiing with mtg references , Ideas Unbound? Dude. u´r monster.

Jim is very impressive, most players are totally off when it comes to this type of trivia and for someone who lacks a lot of context he was spot on.

23:00 - The thing is, players can surrender at any point in the duel. If this hits the board at any point aside from game 3 without a tie (where it wouldn't matter) and the opponent could not do anything about it getting its effect off if it attacks, the opponent would just surrender immediately and move on to the next duel instead. Then again, I think I recall there being mention of some rules before that some tournaments disallowed surrendering at certain points.

Ghost trick could be one of those “never tier 1 “ deck that could appear decent at an glance, it could be a bit complicated since it deals with the whole flip face down mechanic, but could be interesting to see what magic player think of it

Wait what? Just scoop against Victory Dragon? Did the organizers of the tournament not allow the scoop tactic? Because the only reason it's banned is purely because of the rulings.

08:00 i think you should also explained him that facing a monster down (if possible) bassically shut down most of it effects, but he got rigfht anyway

He did a great job using general gaming knowledge to work through these.

which card did you compare Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon to? also, his reasoning for why it's bad is wrong, Blue-Eyes can easily find the Ritual spell and a Blue-Eyes White Dragon to fulfill the cost of the ritual spell. what makes Chaos MAX bad is that it's a newbie trap, the protection from targeting and protection from getting destroyed by card effects coupled with really high attack makes it seem basically invincible. the problem is that it is vulnerable to field nukes, getting Kaiju'd and other non-destruction removal. the fact that the card lacks an omni-negate also doesn't help

i heard that Victory dragon was kinda of rules problem cause your oponent could just give up when you summon him, to avoid his effects

You know what I'd like to see? A series where cards are translated into another card game and seeing how powerful/weak they would be. Of course, resource economy will have to be taken into account too and cards from yugioh might need an added on mana cost while mtg cards will need an appropriate activation cost.

I'm sure everyone said it already but victory dragon is bad because you can just scoop and move to game two before the damage step concedes

One thing about ultimate offering: the card actually is very very bad. Because it's a trap card, and yugioh games don't last many turns anymore, the opportunity for the card to be good is gone

Sorry to necropost but this video was really interesting. I genuinely hope you can get Jim back for another video like this, the fact that you guys went into depth on each card and the discussion after each answer was just great and provided some unique insight that Yugioh player to Yugioh player just can’t provide. Great video, dude!

a key thing with victory dragon is its a ruling nightmare. if you declare an attack with it that would be lethal, there is nothing preventing the opponent from simply surrendering, as a player may surrender at any point. at that moment, does the match proceed to the next game or is the match concluded?

The problem with Victory dragon is that it's redundant for this reason. Player A: "I use Victory Dragon to swing for game." Player B: "As a response I forfeit" So really Victory Dragon's effect will never go off unless the player is completely unaware of the "Match" effect.

Funnily enough, there is a 4 card combo where Blue-Eyes Chaos Max Dragon can attack to win game on the second turn. 1) normal summon Knightmare Iblee 2 Link summon into Link-1 Cyberse monster, triggers Iblee to special summon to enemies field, preventing them from special summoning ANYTHING except Cyberse monsters. 3) ritual summon Chaos Max Dragon (advanced ritual art is usually used) 4) Then, you attack the Iblee you special summoned to your opponent's field to inflict 8000 points, usually game.

This guy is usually spot on, you can tell he’s a good pro

23:37 some people would also just surrender before they swung for game and went onto the next game

The important thing he missed about Artifact Scythe was that you can destroy it yourself. He seemed to think your opponent has to destroy it. The upper limit of 60 cards was actually a new rule introduced BECAUSE of That Grass Looks Greener.

I feel like there are two levels of banning in Yu-Gi-Oh. Level 1 is just a basic ban, where it can still be played at 1 if playing in any tournaments that use Traditional rules instead of Advanced rules. Level 2, however, is "tournament illegal" (marked by the text "This card cannot be used in a Duel" in the bottom left), where it doesn't matter what tournament you go to, you can't use that card. Victory Dragon and other cards like it were hit with a Level 2 ban.

"Creator of Garfield guesses the viability of Yu-Gi-Oh"

The deck out deck for max "c" is mayakashi I am pretty sure, and I believe it was the soul absorbing bone tower variant?

Ngl the explanation of the extra deck as just 15 cards that all have pre errata companion mechanic I’ve always found better then just saying 15 monsters you can use at anytime

A really funny card to include in one of these, if it hasn't made an appearance yet: Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment Bird Despite the card not really doing a whole lot nowadays (at least, not in paper), this card has put so many seemingly random cards onto the F/L list over the years due to its ability to just randomly enable FTKs

Man, he did surprisingly well. Would have thought Chaos Max would catch him out to be honest.

I made deck using final countdown/bashment aka making combo that stop your opement attacking you since how certain cards word the text

Idk why yoi keep popping up in my feed but I liked them videos and I might learn a bit of Magic from you too, also great to see someone who brodges the two games...sorry for bad explanation it is quite late here.😅😅

Victory dragon might be played in dragon link if it was legal but the main problem with it is you oppenent can surnder at any point

Great video! One thing I would change if you are going to do this or something similar again would be to try to order it in a way that builds off of itself. What I mean by this is Scythe had a lot of different words that hadn't been explained yet, so if for instance you did Snow first for special summoning, then an extra deck card to explain the concept of that, then they would have more context and not be working with such a big word jumble. I don't wanna comment twice and make spam, but HardLeg Joe (Channel Hardleg Gaming) is always upbeat so he might be a good guest for this that would be easier to contact than the big names that others listed.

Victory Dragon is completely wrong. It's banned because match winners aren't fun and because it creates a ruling problem, that ruling problem being You can't resolve a match win card, because there is no point in the execution of this card's condition that you can't surrender and go to game 2. You can even accidentally go to game 2 by them declaring the direct attack and saying "you got it" and scooping your board.

For a long time, Jim would have been absolutely right about Victory Dragon, but I suppose with special summoning being as perfected as it is, I can see it being pretty good these days.

Game 3 for 3rd place at a local, I MAXX C’ed a wold chalice player, he said “cards in dreck? Bet” and decked me out

Things I thought you should've brought up when discussing the cards: Red lotus: This card also gives you hand knowledge of your opponent. You can know what you need to ratio your handtraps and negates for, at least until they manage to draw enough cards you don't know about, And also you know what deck/engine they play, potentially. Scythe: I think emphasizing the fact that his third effect doesn't require him to be summoned by his own effect was misleading. The majority of the jailbreaking done to it was due to that. Snow: I think this would be a good time to disucss Once Per Turns. Victory dragon: I think the reason it's banned is not that it's insanely good, but the ruling nightmare it causes. Since if it's on the board, you can just concede, and skip it's effect.

When bringing up MTG cards it's probably worth putting them on the screen for reference

I know that people have already brought up the conceding thing with V dragon, but I'm not sure if anyone has brought up the exact reason for it being banned (in the TCG). It's banned because it'd be a pain otherwise. You can concede at anytime, but imagine the arguments created by someone conceding when victory dragon declared It's attack. "I won when I attacked with victory dragon, so I won the match." "I conceded when the attack was declared, so it never went through, therefore they didn't win the match." It's the exact same reason why last turn is banned. It's not good, but it's too much of a headache to deal with.

14:46 There actually are a few cards with 50 attack, Gizmek Inaba, the Hopping Hare of Hakuto for example.

I love this video, I just wish on the artifact scythe he woulda explained that you can MST or pop the Scythe to trigger its ability too

bit late to comment this, but i would describe the extra deck more like the command zone than a wishboard, i could see there being some confusion between the extra and side because of that

Final countdown is so good with crooked cook when opp has no kaiju lmao

Ive seen people refer to the extra deck as a sort of "15 card commander zone" and i think thats a better description

The biggest difference between yugioh and magic to learn between games is stack vs chain link I still occasionally mess up thinking i can use snow to interrupt plays mid chain, if only if only

Ultimate Offering is too slow in this meta but it was busted back then

Victory Dragon wasn't banned because of its power, it was banned because it was terrible for judges in events. in the tcg you can concede at any point, so victory dragon has no effect basically. But people tried to victory dragon other players and judges had to blind guess if they conceded or not. Because they didnt want to bother anymore, they banned it.

Final countdown is probably the most valid of the alternate win conditions. Mine countdown was actually a super strong deck.

Played Master Duel against a player that only had Maxx C and Nebiru for tech; I decked them out because I was playing Six Samurai.

Victory dragon is terrible. You can just surrender before the attack

Fun fact about maxx c some decks can deck you out if you play maxx c against them.

into the void used to be good because there weren't many hand traps or good cards for a specific archetype, so effectively cutting down your deck size made you more likely to draw the best cards (the old theory behind upstart goblin). But now? every hand will have a starter card, and there's 20 ways to directly search it instead of gambling on a single draw. And having a hand trap in that slot will almost always work out better.

ngl, I don't think ultimate offering is really that busted anymore its a slow trap, practically unsearchable, and most decks are balanced around only needing one normal summon anyway. The only deck that can truly generate value out of this is gadget which will probably stay bad even with offering. And any other deck that could benefit from an extra summon or two would still be held back by once per turn clauses and the limited number of cards in their hand.

I actually converted Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon into an MTG card using my printer and MTG Cardsmith, translating its effect into proper MTG terms, and...well, it's interesting, at least. In exact terms: Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon CMC: 6WBU 10/1 Legendary Creature - Dragon Flying, trample, hexproof, indestructible You can't cast Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon from your hand. Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon deals double trample damage. Some of my own MTG friends were instantly afraid of it, while others dismissed it as ALMOST unplayable. I suppose that's accurate enough. 😂

I don't know if the Magic player reads these comments, but another reason why Appointer of the Red Lotus was cracked was because at the time we had Kashtira AriseHeart, which is basically a monster that "equips" banished cards to himself. So what you'd do is make AriseHeart (very easy in his archetype), activate Appointer, equip the banished card to it. And your opponent doesn't get it back ever. Also one minor critique about this video, is that you 90% showed cards that are literally banned because of how good they are. I think that in the future you should make a balance of -Banned/broken cards. -Good cards that, however, are fair (Zeus, Droll, Feather Duster...). -Cards that have potential but are rogue at best (Pendulum magicians, Hero fusions...) -Straight up garbage Then again, this is the first video of you that I watch so maybe you already considered some of this, in that case never mind. Good video btw

this series goes so hard

Chaos Max Dragon is bad in the current meta, but it was pretty great back when it was new. Back in 2017 cant be destroyed by effects was legit a decent level of protection and there were plenty of blue eys and chaos/ritual support to bring this out fairly consistently.

I still use Chaos Max Dragon.. now with Saga of the Dragon Emperor. Quickplay when attacking and double the attack of Chaos Max and tadaaaa :D

This was probably highest success rate for an inter-cardgame rating test, with only half-wrong answers due to missing a lack of limits on Max C draws, lacking further context for Scythe, and not accounting for atypical concession rules for Victory Dragon.

Even though Ultimate Offering is banned, I am not sure if it still would be good this day. Totally without effect until opponent goes battlephase.

Ho--ly this is a sick list my guy.

The Chicken Game, Into the Void, Upstart deck didn’t win with Exodia, it won with Magical explosion/Life Equalizer. The OCG kept chicken game and banned Life equalizer while TCG did the opposite. Magical explosion would be a good card for one of these videos since burn is traditionally bad in Yugioh but that card has traditionally been abused in FTK decks.

I think the only thing I disagree with in the lens of modern Yugioh is Ultimate Offering. Due to the fact it’s a trap card. In older Yugioh where just having a bunch of gadgets on board to defend your life points it’s cracked, but in a modern setting, the fact you can’t use this turn one means those gadgets you summon aren’t doing anything except maybe defend your life points? Turn 3 it can be okay cause you can summon from your extra or it can be funny to drop like, a Vanity’s fiend on your opponents turn but I feel the deck that plays that type of strategy have better ways of doing that? Also not to mention most effects to search on a normal summon are hard once per turns and/or don’t add any extra value to your board. And I don’t think Gadget spam is super viable in 2023 lol

Ahhh, losing via Maxx C deck out. The Maxx C Challenge. Probably my favorite way to win 😂

I gotta tell ya, Tyrranax Rex on turn 4 plus another hasty dinosaur on same turn isn’t too bad 👍

Real creative list you got there

Final Countdown is less Helix Pinnacle and more Darksteel Reactor.

25:33 Uhhhhhhh... The reason this was banned in the TCG was because of ruling nightmares, where judges are called because the user got pissy that their oponent surrendered before the attack went through, and thought they should get the win anyways.

Red Lotus for a longest time Yugi player, this card bad, then one day, oh this card so good MTG player day1 this card good

victory dragon is a meme card cuz on attack declaration our when ever your opponent can surrender & start 2nd or 3rd round of the match