Much Abrew: Mono-Black Control (Standard)

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Last week during our Instant Deck Techs, our Standard offering-Mono-Black Control-was the most popular, so today, we're heading back to the super-fun Dominaria Standard format to see if the addition of [[Dread Shade]], [[Demonlord Belzenlok]], and [[Josu Vess, Lich Knight]] to the format can make an entirely new archetype! The main plan of our deck is simple: we draw a bunch of cards with [[Treasure Map]]s, [[Arguel's Blood Fast]]s, and [[Karn, Scion of Urza]]; eventually make a ton of mana with [[Cabal Stronghold]]; and then finish off our opponent with a handful of big late-game threats. Is Mono-Black the right control color for Standard? Can it unseat the more popular (and traditionally powerful) UW Control deck? Let's get to the video and find out
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Match 1: 4:34
Match 2: 31:54
Match 3: 54:49
Match 4: 1:16:30
Match 5: 1:38:53
Wrap Up: 1:55:25

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19 май 2018

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@alexcody93 6 лет назад

I appreciate that you edited out the wait time while the opponent tanks.

@adammoldover8769 6 лет назад

Alex Cody yea it seems smoother and much different!

@carter9449 6 лет назад

They've always done that, before they made it so you didn't notice and now they have those fades that make it obvious when something was taken out

@Gingerbreadley 6 лет назад

2 hours? Damn that’s some good control. (Not complaining I love longer videos seth)

@latinkingzgl 6 лет назад

Bradley Kirsch If you aint getting TIME called, you aint controllin right

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Oh, just wait until tonight's Budget Magic comes out, you'll change your mind about long videos :)

@Gingerbreadley 6 лет назад

MTGGoldfish oh boy that’s ominous. I’m hyped now

@LikeSpider 6 лет назад

1:17:07 the Soundgarden reference made my day

@daregamo1455 6 лет назад

This looks like it was edited heavily with small cuts. I like it alot tbh

@Izomak12 6 лет назад

Dare Gamo he has always done this he just added cross-fades now

@Drakksy 6 лет назад

Missing Yargle. That can't be good

@chrisgaus7594 6 лет назад

It has 9 power, nothing more control than that.

@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 6 лет назад

Chris Gaus literal power 9

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Yargle will get his turn.

@TheMrFrankov 6 лет назад

Chris Gaus face control

@dawncluff9235 6 лет назад

yargle dies to too many important red spells....lightning strike abrade harnessed lightning.... torment of hailfire is prolly the best finisher for a MBC variant

@bazza1024 6 лет назад

oh look its karn...again

@megapixzel 6 лет назад

oh man, watching the deck get pancaked like that in the 5th round was brutal. much condolences.

@jarheadanifoogam2583 6 лет назад

Straight up think you're one of the best mtg content creators around!! Super informative, entertaining and interesting, plus you have a great vibe, straight up think you're hilarious dude. Always got me in stitches!!!

@guav8413 6 лет назад

I’ve been playing mono-Black and I found this video helpful. I definitely want to adjust some stuff in my current list after watching the video. Thanks for making this video!

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Sweet!

@Bloodfire83 6 лет назад

"Jaya Ballard sucks" as she's looting through opponent's entire deck then kicks a Fight with Fire. lol

@Bloodfire83 6 лет назад

Yeah, I was a skeptic at first too until I made a Jaya / FwF deck last week and was pleasantly surprised at her performance. People dog her because she can't defend herself, but I've found that adding RRR works pretty well for defending her.

@trewilliams383 6 лет назад

Its hard for people who don't play red regularly to evaluate a card like Jaya outside of the vaccuum. She is a pure resource train, whether discarding and drawing or adding mana in perhaps the most resource-hungry slice of the color pie. She just requires the proper methods of utilizing the extra resources, which Fight with Fire does exceptionally. It does make me curious if perhaps there are other applications that are as potent. My personal thought is that it would likely require filtering the mana, which can dilute the gameplan. The comparison to Chandra is apt. I think they are very similar in play but differ in the construction of the decks in which each excels. Chandra is better in decks where your win condition is board-dependant. Spell dependant builds do better with Jaya. I think that Jaya's lower level of play works to her advantage as many dont realize her power right away, giving you a turn or two with those resources.

@guilhermeandradedaveiga5605 6 лет назад

That level up moment in mtg... when you realize the game is actually about who gets more karn advantage faster

@samarbrander981 6 лет назад

man when belzenlok actually hits he hits. 4 cards is insane!

@frankdev 6 лет назад

games start at 4:30

@FlourescentPotato 6 лет назад

Scooping without letting your opponent find the line is doing half the work for them. They won't tell you when you have lethal, you know.

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

I think it depends on the line and how easy or hard it is to find.

@miguelgrados1617 6 лет назад

I love this type of deck, it has great creatures, great answers, and some spice as well! This looks like fun (if you have the money XD)

@Ripken- 6 лет назад

At 1:34:09 if all his karns we're hedron allignments he would of won

@pon3d120 6 лет назад

Zackkery Winegrad After hearing the commentators say the same thing at gp birmingham I hope this becomes a meme.

@TheSakrasta 6 лет назад

"Play a swaahmp" is officially embedded in my brain now.

@elijahmthompson2313 6 лет назад

game 1: Opponents deck is missing Jaya's immolating inferno. Edit: literally commented this right before they cast it.....

@rosspenney5158 6 лет назад

+1 for the Soundgarden reference

@drizzyrauvryar6992 6 лет назад

So awesome. Thanks for the video

@dylan5385 6 лет назад

35:14 if you know they're getting down Galta then just hold contempt and use it on that while they're tapped out

@jasontan5111 6 лет назад

2 hour much abrew? Yesssss!!!

@konstantinfixl1353 6 лет назад

Soundgarden basics

@SadaParkour 6 лет назад

"We didn't find a way to kill heart" when he just vraska's contempted the servant of the conduit rofl !!!

@Slimm2240 6 лет назад

Your intro never gets old

@migguthi 6 лет назад

Really nice deck, I'm using mono-black too. Its really slow but so much fun!!

@martinisam627 6 лет назад

Great video though, love this archetype!

@luliby2309 6 лет назад

2 hours!?! You're lucky I like Magic so much, Seth.

@carter9449 6 лет назад

Any chance you could go back to the non-faded cuts when dead space is taken out of the gameplay footage? The fades feel really unnatural, I thought it looked perfect before

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Thanks for the feedback. Will do!

@turnonesacredcat7923 6 лет назад

Yes! Back to normal😁

@sneakyduck7062 6 лет назад

Have you ever noticed that Seth's voice gets higher the more he likes a deck?

@andrewmarinkovich8657 6 лет назад

That was very entertaining to watch. I really like the deck. Tough luck in that last match -- the opponent just had great draws. I am thinking you might want to add a couple more Bontu's Last Reckoning into the sideboard, maybe in place of the two Golden Demise? I don't know, maybe. Seemed there were a few spots even in games you won where it would have been easier if you had a sweeper. Thanks for the video!

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

More sweepers could be good. I wish black had a less downside version, but with Lyras and Shalais running around another Bontu's Last Reckoning or two seems like a great idea.

@martinisam627 6 лет назад

MTGGoldfish I've found that the deck can produce so much mana with the Cabal that the downside is minimal.

@phatpeople1234 6 лет назад

For the game that ended around the 37 min mark, if you Contempt'ed the steel-leaf on your turn instead of waiting for their turn you could've won.

@SplderFlsh 6 лет назад

Even better, he could have let them resolve Ghalta the turn they played and then they wouldn't have blossoming mana so he could contempt it.

@staticsight 6 лет назад

>Josh-u Vess AHHHHHHHHH Joe-sue

@jasonoshman1079 6 лет назад

He totally does it for fun at this point. The only option is to start typing / pronouncing things worse than him and one-upping him. Joshoon Vestpa

@DtrainTheGreat 6 лет назад

Georgie Vespa

@CSDragon 6 лет назад

You gotta separate out the ones he does on purpose from the ones he legitimately gets wrong

@jasonoshman1079 6 лет назад

Pronunciation aside, this is a sweeeeeet deck. Very entertaining video.

@Burning_Horizon 6 лет назад

Joshua Vess, brother of Liljana Vess.

@collegeisdabomb 6 лет назад

awesome deck

@coreysierchio4650 6 лет назад

You open Treasure chests so we don't have to. Thank you for your service.

@arcaneprofet 6 лет назад

Great video.

@KrisCadwell 6 лет назад

This was fun to watch. Even in the rare case of a game 1 Ensnaring Bridge, you can tutor the Torment out of the sideboard. Bases covered haha.

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Mastermind's Acquisition is a super fun one-of!

@NeoSamurai13 6 лет назад

I think he will very rarely encounter Ensnaring Bridge with this deck since it is not legal in standard.

@KrisCadwell 6 лет назад

lol good point.

@theovertyrant2620 6 лет назад

I can appreciate the simplicity, my favorite budget magic to date is still GW Little Kid. Sometimes simple is better.

@ahunter7563 6 лет назад

this is neither budget nor simple tho '^'

@SadaParkour 6 лет назад

Well, 95 dollar for modern is kinda budget ^^

@senseibuh527 6 лет назад

SadaParkour *this*

@mieblock4856 6 лет назад

its 500 so i dont know what you consider budget... although i did make an 18 ticket version of mono U contro that works pretty well

@theovertyrant2620 6 лет назад

I wasn't implying this is budget I was using an example of a deck with a simple concept which happens to be an episode of budget magic. and in the scheme of control decks it is very simplified in my opinion.

@TheFlamespriest 6 лет назад

How would you modify the deck for the MTG arena format? Replacing the whole bottom part of the curve seems tough.

@colloquo 6 лет назад

Love it. Needs more Lich’s Mastery. 🧛🏻‍♂️

@ericgomoll2247 6 лет назад

I STRONGLY support you optimizing IDT decks before playing them.

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Sweet! Maybe I'll do some more of it in the future.

@diebank7109 6 лет назад

one thing u got right here was the strentgh of cabal stronghold in mbc. please, swap 4 gifted aetherborn(should be in SB) for 4 glynt sleeve syphoner and of course 1 swamp for 4th cabal stronghold, 1 torment should be MD then, after following changes u got a superb deck: -2 map -3 (or -4, u dont need it) dread shade -2 vraskas contempt -2 karn -1 ballista - 2 fatal push (to sb) -1 arguels (to sb) -1 battle +3 gonti +2 (or +3) yawgmoths vile offering +2 liliana + 2duress + 2 bontus last reckoning +3 doomfall no question mbc needs 4 duress in 75, there are some other little differents my list is doing but this is the most important changes GG

@bloodschuch 6 лет назад

Hey Seth Amazing deck and games! What do You think of Sunset Pyramid? Its a playable card? It can be good in an monoblack control?

@dawncluff9235 6 лет назад

*MTG GOLDFISH* 4- spirebluff canal 3- sulfur falls 4- mountain 4- island 2- canyon slough 2- aether hub 3- swamp 3- dragon skull summit 2- fetid pools combo (any of these will work seperately BUT with both conjecture and amulet out things get insane) 3- the miraris conjecture 3- primal amulet 3- torment of hailfire 1- fight with fire Card advantage 2- Tormenting voice 2- cathartic reunion 2- sword point diplomacy "removal - protection" 4- negate 4- magma spray 2- shock 2- abrade 2- sweltering suns 1- hour of devestation 1- vraskas contempt 1- doomfall

@TripsAhoy 6 лет назад

The kids are eating tonight!!!!

@dave7592 6 лет назад

what set are the swamps from?

@MasterVash 6 лет назад

Ooh, another video by SaffronOlive, good. Let's just get to- Did that say it's two hours long?! Hell yes!

@hungrymanning 6 лет назад

Yesss!

@ZakanaHachihaCBC 6 лет назад

In the 2nd match Game 1 I do think it was a misplay to not go T2 Balista X=1 to T3 Shade.

@ravensman49 6 лет назад

Nice Soundgarden reference haha

@ReoRayearth27 6 лет назад

“Sometimes it’s good to get a little lucky.” -Seth (probably better known as SaffronOlive) 2018 Quote of the year (so far)

@maxangel3077 6 лет назад

1:17:47 is the most frustrated "oh my god" I've ever heard

@CrazedSeer 6 лет назад

I'd put in Divest in the sideboard. You seem to have had a lot of trouble against creatures, and Divest could help that deck quite a bit

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Divest is interesting. It seems like it has fairly high whiff potential, but from the sideboard for creature decks it could be good.

@turnonesacredcat7923 6 лет назад

I play it in my build mainboard and its really good it has a target 90 of the time and it can get cards out of control and worse case senario you get to see there hand

@GLHFMtG 6 лет назад

Sweet

@brightorangepants 6 лет назад

Karn is going to draw cards in every single deck until it's banned

@aaronnava5656 6 лет назад

Sentences you don't want to hear yourself say: "A third Scarab God doesn't do a whole lot more than the first ones." 1:11:20

@anthonymentalewicz5143 6 лет назад

Bro! This is my deck, slightly different but very much close to the same.

@user-pf3dm5jd4s 6 лет назад

29:50 I've done this on arena using Teferi and Raff in my end step It was fun.

@melissagrenier2200 6 лет назад

This deck has more creatures in it than I'd expect from a control deck. I'd probably call it a midrange deck with more card draw than usual.

@chaoticrevenge7950 6 лет назад

I really wanna see someone build a legendary creature tribal deck with arvard. Im currently working on that deck, its coming around nicely

@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 6 лет назад

Chaotic Revenge I'm currently considering abzan, but I'm not sure

@fromheartfeltplaces_4627 6 лет назад

In game 5, round two, I am not sure how bad Gifted Aetherborn is in post-board, the lifelink helps stabilize against the aggro and sustain into a longer game so that you may drop your big ol Josu more often. Walking Ballista and Vraska's Contempt are pretty much your only outs against planeswalkers if you cut your low curve creatures on games that you are having issues either finding your fourth natural land or a treasure map. I would definitely think about using Walk the Plank for dealing with rampant 5-drop creatures. Does Kitesail Freebooter help the deck out? It is lower on curve than doomfall, but is only a temporary answer to non-land, non-creatures, but it could be just what you need to get an upper-hand on control or planeswalkers coming out on turn 3-4.

@starmorpheus 6 лет назад

I really don't enjoy that fade-in transition. It is a little distracting at times.

@tyler3050 6 лет назад

i can't stand them, had to stop watching, but i did finish the vid

@davidpepin3017 6 лет назад

First time seeing the deck, but I played an almost identical deck last FNM (except I only have 1 Karn). I kept getting color screw in my mono black deck! Always had 2 swamp and a stronghold so I could not cast the shade, then drew my 3rd and last stronhold. It was sad. Got destroyed turn 4/5 by a hearth of Kiran/Ghalta deck, then I was dealt 50 dmg buy Aetherflux Reservoir that I could not stop. I did manage to win against a new player playing Hazoret Aggro challenger deck :P

@COZYTW 6 лет назад

Correct me if I'm short sighted but 26:39 Did the 4 attack Josu Vess just take down a 5 loyalty Chandra?? Uhh...

@sloth9669 6 лет назад

Just got a home equity line of credit on my house to play this deck.

@0fof0fo 6 лет назад

In game one of the last match I feel spending two walking ballistas to kill shalai was overeager. Ballista is an incredible mana sink for cabal stronghold, a removal engine, and waiting one turn would have been painful but tolerable. Essentially you would be trading three life to keep two walking ballistas. Sounds like a good deal to me.

@maciek19882 6 лет назад

With Seth's pronunciation I'm amazed that he doesn't say "fetal push"

@alech-b3749 6 лет назад

Anyone else having some wierd audio issues towards the end of this one?

@adamfiliatreault3393 6 лет назад

Is it just me or is this the longest Much Abrew we've had?

@NemoTrostle 6 лет назад

Yay...Karn.

@tomjackal5708 6 лет назад

the video is two hours long this is gonna be good

@bastienclarke1810 6 лет назад

Woot!

@restoreleader 6 лет назад

At 1:12 you could probably use cabal, mastermind for lost legacy and take all 3 scarab gods from their hand

@midn8588 6 лет назад

In match 2 game 3 you actually missed lethal at the end with acquisition for hailfire

@Jonasz314 6 лет назад

You missed a couple of triggers for Walking Ballista. For example, you blocked Champion of Wits with it, and forgot to ping Karn on combat step. Even if you remove the last counter on Ballista during Combat damage step before combat actually resolves, it still does its damage since the combat resolution is on the stack and damage dealt won't change.

@ethandeluna8515 6 лет назад

Match 2 game one you punted so hard. You should’ve let the Gahlta hit the board and vraskas contempt it at your end step! He would’ve tapped out for ghalta and you wouldn’t have gotten blown out

@dbpelectronico6074 6 лет назад

Hi Seth can you do a solemnity demonlord belzenlok deck?

@MindSlain 6 лет назад

When you play treasure maps, why don’t you use its second ability more often to draw cards when your ahead on lands once it flips?

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Didn't we use the card draw ability a lot?

@MindSlain 6 лет назад

MTGGoldfish On the later games it kinda, my question is kinda more: how important is ramping into Josu vs card draw. The deck is neat, I was trying to figure out priority of threats

@biologicalsledgehammer1371 6 лет назад

Game 1 in round 5 could he have not made a really large Dread Shade and sacrificed it to gain a bunch of life and live ? Or did I miss something.

@complainorgain5068 6 лет назад

i think a few more board wipes would be good because the removal cant get all of the small creatures

@SkittleWolf 6 лет назад

Demonlord Bells'n'Lock

@11talic47 6 лет назад

Gonna top 8 a GP with this deck, except instead of Karns, I'll run Yargles.

@RotatingMagnetGuy 6 лет назад

So... at 1:11:30 or so, why not masterminds for lost legacy and make them discard three cards?

@swirlingtoilets 6 лет назад

You have a lot of removal, but you have a total of four cards maindeck that can answer Karn, Lyra, and Teferi, and they're all 4 mana. That's not exactly efficient, and when an opponent is playing multiples of all of those cards, you can only draw so many Contempts. Even Shalai is difficult to answer considering you need a revolt Fatal Push or a Contempt. Karn plus 4-5 mana stuff actually seems pretty well placed against your deck. What you really need is a Doom Blade or Go for the Throat; just something that kills almost every relevant creature for two mana. Cast Down is not good enough when there's Ghaltas, Lyras, Glorybringers, and Shalais running around.

@sergiosanmuahahaha 6 лет назад

swirlingtoilets yeah i thought that as well... maybe walk the plank or something on those lines instead of 2 pushes or something

@disafear3674 6 лет назад

Glorybringer is not legendary

@swirlingtoilets 6 лет назад

Ugh, I meant Hazoret, not Glorybringer. My bad

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Walk the Plank is an interesting idea. Not sure about cutting Fatal Push, it's really easy to die to Heart of Kiran without it. Never // Return is another option, although at three mana its a bit slow.

@swirlingtoilets 6 лет назад

Not having access to Cast Out, Ixalan's Binding, Baffling End, and Seal Away is rough. It feels weird that white has better removal options than black.

@carterbraun6284 6 лет назад

I play three Azors Gateway in my list, it REALLY does work, honestly better than blood fast in this deck imo.

@utterlyj1277 6 лет назад

Carter Braun eh. Looting is usually worse than card draw. Flip side is nice but this deck has other ways to generate tons of mana.

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Azor's Gateway sounds sweet!

@carterbraun6284 6 лет назад

Jack Buttery I would agree usually, but from what I've noticed, at least the list i play cant really afford to lose that much life. That could just be my local meta though, but right now it seems like i have the perfect amount of life gain to stay alive, or even better depending on the matchup. There have been a few times where I just resolve a walking ballista for 20+ and just win like that, and azors gateway adds to the life total too, to make it that much better.

@martinisam627 6 лет назад

Carter Braun I would agree. This deck often plays from behind, then stabilizes (like a lot of control decks), & can quite often not leave u much life for drawing cards. I've found that even just using the Gateway to loot through land pockets is great.

@chrislively9230 6 лет назад

For the next fish bowl deck tech can u go over the power stone cloning deck that strictly better mtg posted I’d love to see it in an against the odds vid

@alexnas9634 6 лет назад

do you think karn goes in every deck? cause i feel he could fit in almost any deck, even in aggro you can defend karn, i just feel i think everyone should invest in 2 karn because hes gonna be played from now till forever

@MTGGoldfish 6 лет назад

Karn goes in almost every deck. Unless it somehow because some popular that it gets banned picking up copies probably isn't the worst idea, you'll get a lot of use out of them.

@alexnas9634 6 лет назад

its gonna be a 100 dollar card by the end of the year

@dawidwidera1819 6 лет назад

I wonder is Seth ever used Karn's second ability to get what he wants instead of digging of it : D

@mdouet 6 лет назад

This looks more like Mid-Range than Control.

@martinisam627 6 лет назад

m Douet Absolutely agree

@Midnightv 6 лет назад

Can you tell me how you guys Define the difference?

@mdouet 6 лет назад

Control usually runs more creature removal and hand destruction and only a few creatures, where as midrange runs more creatures with hopes they will win through board control as apposed to card advantage.

@Midnightv 6 лет назад

m Douet hmmm... in that case it's a very thin line, but they are losing quite a bit removal it just seems that most of their creatures double as removal or card draw or whatever reason. The Demon Lord Drew him out of a loss, and he is walking ballista as both removal for small creatures as well as a finisher. Treasure map did a huge amount of car drawing. I think this is undoubtably control, it simply has more in common with the classic mono black control, then with mono blue control because of the massive Mana production

@mdouet 6 лет назад

While this is true, this is a pretty high creature count compared to a traditional control deck. The fact that you can win through creature aggression makes this a mid-range deck.

@gamernotvalid9452 6 лет назад

You know it's really a lot easier to F6 rather than SPAM THE FUCKING BUTTON BECAUSE IT'S ANNOYING IN EVERY SINGLE VIDEO. You can always turn back off auto yields in case you need to cast something. Magical!!

@jonathansnow21 6 лет назад

Remember when you said Cabal Stronghold wasn't that strong during preview season? Yeah, you were dead wrong on that one.

@DiogoVKersting 6 лет назад

Is Karn risking getting banned?

@anonymoususer69 6 лет назад

Diogo V. Kersting I hope they don’t ban Karen just cuz standard bans suck. Also Karn is available to every deck so I don’t think he’s stifling creativity even if he is powerful

@Mattlovesstuff 6 лет назад

Its more that because walking ballista and karn are available to every colour it stifles creativity of most decks that play midrange and some aggro. exactly how smugglers copter did.

@DiogoVKersting 6 лет назад

Yep, Smugglers copter is the card that came to my mind when I fist commented. See cardboard-crack.com/post/151475983541/standard-deck-building That said, I think it's early to call bans.

@Mattlovesstuff 6 лет назад

i think the main reasons they likely wont be banned is that they dont offer the consistency of being able to loot each turn

@BIGpony777 6 лет назад

Mattlovesstuff yeah, karn may not let you "loot" per say, but imo getting a card put into your hand and getting a card you can cast from exile is probably better than that?