My Ineos Grenadier - 10.000km Review 

thank you. i love the seats as well!!

totally understand you...especially if u already owned one before!! thx and all the best to you and a lot of joy with your new Bronco!!

You are so polite , 12litres per hundred, get rid of that extra 660kg compared to new landrover defender/landcruiser! Rubbish turning circle, get stuck in many off road trails.!

i am also feeding back directly to them. i think they listen and want to improve

Remains to be seen if it’s any good or not, apparently there are issues with the diffs and who knows what other issues may come to light over the next couple of years as more vehicles get sold.

Agree … no wonder, it was build in the EU 🇪🇺 😂

Its nothing special. Just another 4x4 on live axles with some extra's. Any Land Cruiser does the same.

@@erhardt1477 You mean like Mercedes and Porsche?

It's only been 10k kilometers though and maybe a few months.

hopefully!

Brilliant, I hope you will be putting out another video 👍🏻

think so as well! I will check a newly delivered Grenadier next week and let you know if the software issues are already solved....

Hi. Congrats!!! I was at the Goodwood Festival of Speed last weekend and met Engineers, SalesReps and the CEO of IAL. They are aware of the bugs and working hard to fix ALL of them. the next software updates should eliminate most of them already (I get mine this week and will report back on that)

glad i can help!!

happy to hear that you are satisfied. the software gliches will disappear eventually (i hardly have any) and i am confident that there will be updates regarding things that aren't perfect (f.e. TPMS sensor change). I think it's a perfect car (with it's limitations) and a very enjoyable ride which always puts a smile on my face.....

Yes, you're right.

correct. it´s USG

You know Ingemar did use and quote the consumption using the standard Litres per 100km travelled. So you can easily convert it to whatever you like and answer your own question.

For such a big heavy and ,let’s face it, not very aerodynamic truck, that’s a reasonable return on fuel.

but its both ways way too much! its a Diesel!

dankeschön....sehr gerne!

the higher speeds are the issue....if you are "able" to drive slower, the fuel consumption is fine 🤪

Our fuel is cheap . Filling the tank is the least of the cost of ownership.

You will not be disappointed it’s over engineered where it matters. Very impressed with my vehicle… (By the time they start delivering in Oz they may had updated and debugged the software- it’s not a big deal.) To get in and out the back easily, we fitted a small powder coated HD step in the tow bar bolt holes.

@@jameswilson9201 What software problems ?

At higher speeds the aerodynamic drag increases as the "square" of the speed and not linearly like at low speeds. The Grenadier has the aerodynamics of a house brick (not sure of its Cd number), so generally a slower speed will benefit fuel consumption greatly.

have you seen the pick up version?

@@grenadier_exploring when will the pick up become available?

not sure. but i´ve seen prototypes driving around here in Austria for quite a while now. will try to find that out...

@@grenadier_exploring thank you as it looks like I may have to change my order as the 5 seat commercial isn’t HMRC compliant, and my grenadier will be a works vehicle, so I’m hoping the pick up will meet their criteria

just above the wheel arches it's approximately 137cm

@@grenadier_exploring thank you!!

i swapped my X5 for the Grenadier and I don't regret it. Of course you can't really compare those two cars... Now it's getting hot in Austria and I will report on the performance of the A/C soon plus I will go through the condition of the parts/axles/chassis with my mechanic next month. I guess these things might interest you as well.

thx for that comment! I do agree in many points. I had basically the same engine in my old car and drove 180k kilometres without any issues.

you could definitely fit a basic kit in the spare wheel compartment (but i use it for tie down straps, ice scraper, dog items etc) and there is quite some space under the driver&passenger seats if you have more gear. I am not aware of any preparation for a CB/ham...

hopefully 😅

@@grenadier_exploring they do look the goods 👍

Did you get your Land Cruiser to 500K before they pulled it from the market? Not much use from your 'testing' it that way if your test results are for a car no longer for sale! 😅

The benefit of a diesel - turn on, wait for glow plugs, delay complete :)

think (and hope) so as well

will try to add that in one of the videos!

thx. noted that and will try to measure that. how long until you get yours?

@@grenadier_exploring I’ve been told my build “month” is July, so am guessing middle to late August, once delivered to my supplier, registered, and accessories fitted (if available).

I think Harry got it wrong on this one mate. I love his content but I think his judgement is off here.

@@dmbassett Unfortunately I think his interests are off too, with him being so closely tied in with JLR...

you can get someone to 3D print one with gusseting as part of the print process, raw Carbon Fibre is not expensive any longer and may only cost around $125/each

i'll try and let you know

He quoted litres per 100kl.still hard on fuel. Good to hear a honest review.

if you reduce the speed, you get a proper mileage! but as i said: i have troubles holding back 🤪

thx. i believe you can get down to 10l (or below) if you drive slower and less often enjoy the tourque 🤣

Don't you think Ineos won't be watching every video he produces?

@@watda011 I hope so! But the personal touch goes a long way.

actually i´ve been asked for feedback by the CEO and I am still providing it. they wanna know about the issues!!

@@grenadier_exploring while talking to the CEO can you please tell them that after two year the customer service line is still the worst in the industry. It takes 4 to 6 weeks to get a reply to the most basic question and that's if they bother at all to respond. They need to have people answering the calls that can fix the issue on the spot.

good point! will be in contact with Ineos guys this week.

when they are closed you can't hear anything from the windows. I would say the noise level is the same as without them. they are also surprisingly silent when opened. we really use them a lot. I haven't checked the noise when fully removed yet....i´ll do it right away.....

@@grenadier_exploring Good info!. Thank you! Looking forward to your next video.

when fully removed, the noise is like an open window but at highe speeds (70+) the wind is coming down quite strong! that's more for offroad and safari i guess 😉. i will check again once my custom-roof rack is insralled

@@grenadier_exploring Wow! Thank you. Very helpful information.

Just make sure you park facing downhill in the rain if you have roof windows or have a shower inside .

It's completely unusable in R/H config.

@@inter-linked There has to be a fix for that… Even if it means a custom made exhaust manifold and cutting out the foot rear and remaking the floor panel.

I noted in my auto kia carnival whilst driving 300km on weekend that my comfortable place for foot is flat on floor back from rest, my knee is high here with the high seats in the kia(similar position). My right leg is resting against the door trim and a.lot lower down. I thought about it on the drive because it seems like the most major issue discussed online. I find this comfortable due to a badly aching left hip and knee, which started my quest to look for an auto 4 by 4. I have found I need to remember not to move left foot and push clutch in whilst driving this one and my wife's hyundai as the sudden stop when you "clutch" the wide brake pedal in a brain fart is startling. I do spend all the rest of my driving in manual vehicles.🤔

It is absolutely not an issue at all - nobody on the Ineos Owner's Forum has had a major issue with the footrest in RHD. I am 6'2" and I haven't noticed it at all. It was completely overblown by the initial press reviews.

i think they did a good job so far. there is plenty of room for improvement but they are working on it. hope they succeed....

that is a very good question!! are u getting a solar panel as well?

i got cars with HUDs since years and am used to numbers only. but not everyone likes it - agree!! i guess a display is easier to use for LHS and RHS driver positions....

the rocksliders don't help to get in (showing that in my video On-Road Performance, Vision, Steering). the sidesteps make it easy to get in and i´ve already seen some aftermarket solutions to mount a step on the sliders....

Yes, I think this Grenadier is mainly for old Defender aficionados. As a Toyota Land Cruiser owner, with its proven pedigree & track record for capability & durability, I’m left wondering how good of a late model, low mileage, high spec Land Cruiser I could buy for the price of a new Grenadier. And given the way Land Cruisers hold their value, I can’t help thinking a 2 year old LC & a new Grenadier would probably reach parity in resale value after 3 years or so. But I guess there is a section of the market for the angular, rugged, functional old Defender look, which Ineos were smart to grab when Land Rover abandoned it.

there is a 2-seater (or 5-seater) utility version available. very basic, no extras and you can add what you need....or use aftermarket mods for your perfect setup.

i think they are ok. especially because i am not focusing on saving fuel!

I'd piss off that USA "bumper bar" and fit a proper bull bar. However, Ineos offers a winch as a factory option, so there must be a cradle of some sort behind the bumper for it.

i have winch. it's behind the license plate. i posted a different video about it. i would love to have a bull bar but it's not allowed in Austria 🤷🏼‍♂️

the frame and body are galvanised and KTL-dipped, powder coated and get a protection layer as standard. I have added a two-layer-wax protection with my dealer....just to be sure. Ineos gives you a 12-year rust warranty...they seem to be confident there...

@@grenadier_exploring awesome ! thx

it is for all of us 🤪

Ja, das hab ich gehört und es sieht teilweise so aus als ob da Potenzial für Schäden besteht. Mein Unterboden ist schon recht mitgenommen aber die Verkabelungen haben noch nichts abbekommen. Bei meinem nächsten Treffen mit Ineos in knapp drei Wochen werde ich das Thema ansprechen und mal schauen was sie sagen.

@@grenadier_exploring danke. Vielleicht kannst du ein Video machen, wie ineos reagiert hat und was sie machen.

absolut zufrieden. lange fahrten sind kein problem und 130 geht auch. mehr aber eher nicht… es ist kein X5 aber er ist besser als ich erwartet hab

@@grenadier_exploring . . . lieben Dank, haben den Benziner, öfter Autobahn und somit bei 120-130 ziemlich laut und seeehr durstig mit 16.5 - 18.5 Litern. Trotzdem: Geiles Auto, überlegen aber, noch einen Diesel nachzulegen :-)

ich komm im schnitt auf 12-13l inkl autobahn. hatte unlängst einen tag mit 430km autobahn (tempo 130) und dann 5h offroadfahren im mittel bis schwerem gelände. am ende des tages 15,1l auf 100km

u might be right there!!! but you could get a few cm’s out at the edges without hiding the tachometer.

Hi. I am from Austria. You can configure your car online or contact a dealer close to you. A list is available on the Ineos Grenadier Homepage. mine is a Trialmaster Edition, Diesel Engine with a Winch and Heated Seats as option.

i also tend to use the lights in "manual" mode and not in automatic. (als ich den Wagen bekam, gab es noch kein Ineos Österreich und somit konnte ich das Auto nicht hier zulassen. da ich aber einer der Gewinner vom HardWayHome bin, hat Ineos das Auto auf die Firma angemeldet. Das wird aber bald geändert 😉)

@@grenadier_exploring Ah, deshalb. Danke fürs Antworten

LaHu find ich gut 😝. Loki ist der Bruder von Thor in der nordischen Mythologie. Da unser Hund Thor heisst, war Loki naheliegend 😉

Not for that size of vehicle. It's big.

it's the turning circle of course! used the wrong expression

@@einfelder8262 the turning circle is 8ft wider than my bronco, and they’re the same size.

So what you’re saying is that regardless if the quality of the vehicle eventually provides that it dominates the market in out of the box build quality and reliability with minimal quirks that are an easy production adjustment while providing a reasonably high level of comfort while driving both on and off road that there are not enough people in world markets to support this development strategy? Or is the point of your prediction that you believe it’s reliability will not be as robust as planned for the environments it was developed to tackle appropriately and this will leave folks not able to expediently repair the vehicles in the field? That is not any sort of smart ass remark, it’s more of an understanding of why you believe the whole “build it NOT to break” intention will not provide enough resale of new vehicles in a marketplace loaded with planned obsolescence. Know what I mean?? Ineos knew the service network build up would take time. So the intention was to dramatically over build these vehicles to withstand some serious environments and if you get stuck, use the overbuilt winch to keep going. It definitely will be interesting to see what comes, but I tend to be on the other side of the opinion and believe that the attraction of how incredibly robust this vehicle seems to be will attract well enough private and industry market sales based on what is planned in this and other model options to support a successful run. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

@@Far2hip In many ways I wish I could buy into what you’re saying because as I said earlier I would like this vehicle to succeed. I’m in the remote area industrial & overland travel business (Africa, Aus, Asia) and for 40+ years I’ve lived and breathed robust 4WDs as a daily survival necessity, starting with Land Cruiser 70 and 80 series. Have driven them all in very harsh conditions with Toyota & Nissan dominating by a factor of probably 50:1. The occasional Land Rover encounter has been a consistently appalling experience since I started out in the 80s. Have had some horror story rescues of the occupants of those shitboxes in life-threatening situations. The simple fact is that the Grenadier - for all its (potential) engineering excellence - is the 100% unproven and 100% a turn off to anyone experienced in getting from A to B when A and B are on opposite ends of a continent, or where a small fleet needs to be maintained in a remote off-grid location. The 70 series LC is in a class of its own when it comes to that kind of situation. You could walk into a shack in N Ethiopia and be 100% confident the wheel bearing you need will be in stock…. Simply put there is no vehicle on the planet that will not break in exceptional circumstances, and when something does go wrong you need firstly the engineering to make the repair as simple as possible, and second you need to be able to source the parts. I don’t see that being a reality for the Grenadier in Birdsville or Adigrat or Barrancas any time soon.

@@English_Speaking_Fox Green oval could NEVER compete with Toyota or Nissan - WHY these newcomers think they can do better than a world famous brand is mind-boggling. This thing was aimed at mugs. Reminds me of the Mini-Moke and the Talbot Matra Rancho!!

@@English_Speaking_Fox Not everyone is going on expeditions across Asia, and you cannot buy the Land Cruiser 70 series or even the new 300 series in North America or Europe. They are being phased out, and I anticipate this will happen in the "underdeveloped world" in time as well. If I was to travel from the UK to lets say Finland, I imagine the Ineos Grenadier would be a better option than a 70 series LC, which I am relatively confident is not for sale anywhere in Western Europe.

@@AA-vr8ez There is zero chance of the internal combustion engine being phased out in the underdeveloped world anytime in the next several decades at least. Travel to cities like Karachi or Delhi or Jakarta and see for yourself just how reliant the entire Asian metropolitan economy is on dirty little motorbikes. 99.9% of the people that ride these bikes struggle to make ends meet on a daily basis let alone save for an expensive electric alternative that they could not possibly charge anyway. Not that they give a shit about climate change…. that daily survival imperative will forever get in the way of worrying about the future. Worrying about climate change is a first world middle-class psychological illness brought on by believing politicians and celebrities. It is VERY interesting what you say about travelling to Finland. In 1997 me and my then girlfriend now wife drove from Sussex to Kirkenes in far northern Norway, via Holland, Denmark and Sweden. From there we continued down through Finland and back to the UK via the Baltic states, Poland, Germany and back into Holland. It was quite adventurous at the time but in reality, not particularly arduous. We did that trip in a 1993 Subaru Impreza 1.8L station wagon that had some modest suspension upgrades, a roofrack and a decent set of all-terrain tyres. If you are considering it necessary to buy an Ineos Grenadier to do that trip then may I politely suggest you are over thinking the problem!

danke ;-)...retour

🤪🤷🏻‍♂️

you get used to the steering after a few miles...i don't feel it anymore. i added a little segment of motorway in my video "on-road performance, vision, steering". there is a segment in the corner which is not perfectly cleared but it does not restrict the vision to the front.

in my video about the Infotainment system, I added a little clip about the wiper operation at the end (marked as a separate chapter).

@@grenadier_exploring Thanks very much!

​@@grenadier_exploring Has anyone in the Grenadier community tried adjusting wheel alignment? Is it even possible? First of all it might be a good idea to check the alignment from the factory? Maybe the aerodynamics and drivetrain might even change the car's attitude on the highway and thus affect alignment? Typically vehicles have their wheel angles change as they move along their suspension travel, though I'm not sure about the Grenadier's suspension and steering setup. Any slight bit of toe-out will make the vehicle far more unstable and track less straight. Such a car will surely have a default setting of the tires being as straight as possible, so any toe-out should be avoided. But then it's a personal preference if you want to dial in a slight bit of toe-in like sports car have: toe-in will make the car track more straight even with an uneven surface and will be more stable. All the other angles would be good to check too. Positive caster, if it's adjustable, will increase stability. Note that I'm not 100% sure if this applies with beam axle cars like the Grenadier...I'm not even sure if you can adjust the alignment in any way? This may be a completely irrelevant point with beam axles, I'm only familiar with independent suspension myself.

not that I am aware of. I've seen a company fitting portal axles already. so they must have dealt with that topic.... lennartz-technik.de/en/homepage

planning something like that! 👍🏻

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He quoted in L/100km! If you are smart enough you can work it out for yourself.

@@chad6080 phew! Sound, Chad 👍

He actually quoted in L/100km! It is simple to convert and answer your own question

mir gefällt der Diesel sehr gut und ich würde ihn wieder nehmen. der Klang ist unglaublich und das etwas höhere Drehmoment war am Ende das Ausschlaggebende...

the largest i´ve seen is 33´s without mod. there was a prototype around on 35´s but they adjusted the wheel arches on that one....

@@grenadier_exploring no biggie then

@@grenadier_exploring thx

with the higher speeds (130-140km/h) the drag is causing the high fuel consumption. if you keep the speed around 100/110 then it will go down significantly...as I demonstrated on the normal roads.

Loki is the name of the car 😎😉

@@grenadier_exploring oh, the car has a name😅

@@The_Daliban yes 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

Your dreaming, even one million dollar vehicles have problems. With thousands of components that could go wrong and only a few software issue the car performed fantastic for a brand new vehicle

Teslas are defective at 0km.

correct...my fault

of course it's the circle 🙈

was very busy lately. two are coming out very soon. one about the pathfinder system and one with some genera hints and tipps

and the one about my modifications (roof rack, drawer system) is slightly delayed...but i am working on it 🤞🏻

@@grenadier_exploring thank you! Looking forward to them

because of the high speed (130km/h) and the car is not really aerodynamic 😜

@@grenadier_exploring Got it. Looks like you've had a bit of a heavy right foot😅

i am afraid so 🙈🤣

i assume you refer to the new defender? of course that one has a better ride quality! it's a different concept and features air suspension - has to be better in that regard. a friend of mine has it and it's a great ride on-road....

tough competition...especially at this price...

My Auto TD5 Disco did 22 Mpg on average, you are never going to get 40 out of anything like this 🤣

very old school 🙈

People here in the comments keep writing how their vehicles from 1998 are so much better, so do you mean you find the Grenadier's rear view camera to be good?

Rubbish - the TLC200 will never return that mileage at 130kph. Did you ignore the bit where he posted 10.7l/100 for this vehicle, 600kg heavier than your poxlux? Fuel consumption is fine for this 2700kg brick.

HiLux is 2wd on tarmac makes a big difference

@@einfelder8262 I was referring to speeds around 100 kph. My TLC200 is 2,940 kg unladen and with an empty long-range fuel tank, at 130kph, it indeed consumes around 14.5 l/100. When towing a trailer with a race car, around 2 tonnes combined, I am getting around 17 l/100. Considering Ineos as a replacement, as my only issue with an old TLC200 is fuel consumption. Ineos does not seem to be a solution. Hilux is breathless with that 3.0 diesel engine, so sticking to TLC200 :-) then.

@@dmitrijusapockinas16 You conveniently left out information that hurts your argument - childish. You should learn to compare apples with apples. Hilux is a really stupid diversionary inclusion, you could equally have said an Echo does 6l/100, that would have been just as irrelevant. My gripe with the Ineos is the small fuel tank that reportedly leaves no room for an aftermarket long range tank. Otherwise, for it's intended off-road market, it's better than LC200 which is no longer available anyhow.

@@einfelder8262 I am not sure which information I left out :-). I would happily compare apples to apples if car manufacturers made enough apples :-). Unfortunately, there are few choices, and Hilux (at least for me personally, for my use cases) is a legitimate option bar engine's performance. Not expecting the same comfort as TLC200, obviously. I used to own a couple of Hiluxes back in the day with very sluggish engines, so I know exactly what they are like. I am trying to like Ineos keeping in mind the price tag, but I can't. They made it 500kg heavier than I was expecting, ancient steering scheme, wheel travel almost non-existent, and you mentioned it has no place for the long-range fuel tank, too bad, and they missed to deliver a price tag of around 50k euros which was promoted. Excellent engines and gearbox package does not outweigh the other issues. We'll get my hands on one to test drive it for the day to assess how bad is the steering, weight and fuel consumption until then all of these are theories :-) obviously.

i wish i could avoid motorways. i just added the figure to get an overall picture of the fuel consumption. may i ask at which speed you get those nice MPGs?

Toyotas are very reliable but I still have hope: got a friend with a 3liter Diesel 5series BMW with 750.000km on the clock.....hope mine does that as well.

Toyota for petrol and BMW for diesel.

if u already own one, you are lucky. i always wanted to have an old defender as well 👍🏻

Then the Grenadier will make even more sense to buy...

the series 1 is a great car!!! wish I had one... But I also like BMW engines 😉

Every idiot knows it is well built.

if you keep the speed below 100/110km/h the consumption goes down rapidly. If you drive it with fuel saving in mind you should get it down to 10 litres without any issues (on the standard 32x10.5R17 tires). installing my roof rack and roof top tent this week...will report back on the fuel consumption then....

@@grenadier_exploring You never get below 10 litres, empty it already has more than 10 litres. It is therefore very heavy of its own.

@@grenadier_exploring and why world i drive so slow with that car ?

i got it to 10,4 liters without trying hard. so it should be possible. but I am not a "fuel saving-guy". i will end up around 12l...

I wouldn't. but some people do...🤷🏻‍♂️

He says he drives it hard. I get 26mpg. Best I have seen was 28mpg.

certainly not cheap. we have the same issue in austria but the high price is caused by ridiculous taxes!!! the base price of the car is absolutely fair in my opinion!!

im just gonna wait for the toyota lineup to be available, i just don´t see the point in paying 100k in euros for a rough car, that is the same cost of a fancy defender for example, to me the idea of this car puts it in a very different price range. @@grenadier_exploring

I agree. the original plan was to offer the car at a lower price but they couldn't hold it there...unfortunately.