Navigating Faith Deconstruction as a Couple (Dav & Bethany vs Drew & Tay) 

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Adding the "vs" in the title made me think this was a debate or rap battle or both

It’s funny how Drew has way more subscribers/recognition but I didn’t know who he was until I started watching Taylor’s deconstructing videos. Now I religiously watch them both!

i am literally so excited for this it’s crazy to watch their deconstruction in real time

As a relationship counsellor, is so heart warming to see healthy, emotionaly inteligent couples talking about their marriage. 🥰

“It was like having constant homework to do in my brain” too real 😅 I also really relate to both of your changing relationships to atheism and becoming more pluralistic over time. Also love everything you said about going beyond “us vs. them” thinking, obviously 🥰 “We care about the functional difference” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I think the breadth vs. depth question is so so individual; some people are only able to appreciate depth *because* they experienced breadth (breadth can facilitate depth, especially after leaving a high-control group!) and I think it’s a false dichotomy to place them at odds, in a lot of ways. We can seek a broad range of experiences and have an extremely deep relationship to them and ourselves and life in the process. In this video’s context it’s someone struggling with the specific question of lifetime monogamous commitment and how that affects his desire for both novelty and stability, but obviously the concepts are much bigger than just that. I fully agree that “zen is peeling the potatoes” and appreciation for the small things is a major part of my spirituality now, but that is a mindset that can be applied whether I’m having novel experiences OR familiar ones. Humans crave both novelty and stability and I think putting them against each other can be unnecessarily limiting and it’s good to unshame our desire for novelty, regardless of what life configurations make the most sense for us! Everyone is so unique and values each to different degrees, of course-I don’t think one is inherently superior to the other, it’s all circumstantial and individual. Sorry for the essay lol, just love both of your minds and hearts and perspectives and wanted to share! “Unshame not having solid answers to questions” 👏🏻💕✨ TLDR great video, would love to chat IRL one day :) Sam 💓

This content is 100% why I share your videos with friends regarding deconstruction. You don't see other beliefs as opponents, you see them as people and you celebrate their success. Thank you for being a shining example of positive discourse and empathy.

So the reason I personally say I wouldn’t be in a relationship with a Christian (or any spirituality) is because I have no interest in challenging someone’s beliefs, which will inevitably happen. Just sharing my deconstruction story is really important for me to talk to people I’m that close with and I’m just not comfortable discussing that with a believer at this point. And if I feel like I can’t share something or have to walk on eggshells, I can’t be in a relationship with them. But of course I’m open to getting my mind changed for the right person, it’s just ideal for me to be with another atheist.

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Really proud of Drew for turning down that Dawkins interview. Very strongly principled moral decision, there. The atheist to radicalized pipeline is unfortunately very real and something we all need to be vigilant about. Holding to well-reasoned moral principles is how we do it.

Seeing Bethany making some progress too is so encouraging, and it’s honestly really refreshing to see the healthy steps she and Dav are taking.

I love watching these relationship videos you guys post. Drew was a big part of my own deconstruction last year and I don’t know any other atheists or even remotely sympathetic Christians so they give a real sense of hope that there are normal people out there like this. His channel got me started but this one helps me keep going (Also I’m a little disappointed you’re not showing off another metal t-shirt but I guess I can wait till next time)

mad respect for Drew turning down the opportunity to interview Dawkins. you both are beautiful people. :)

I would pay top dollar to watch you guys have a podcast conversation with Bethany and Dave!

On the point of separation/divorce because one is no longer a Christian, it's not only stupid but it's also anti-biblical. "If any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him." -- 1 Corinthians 7:12-13. (I mean, caveat, it's one of those verses Paul says is his opinion and not a command from God, but still...).

My mind was already blown by the first collab, and now it’s blown even more. I’m sort of proud of Bethany even though I don’t know her personally, and this has given me such a reality check in terms of how far assumptions can go even when we have minimal information. Like I used to assume that Bethany and Dave’s relationship was super unhealthy and abusive and I don’t even know where I got that. I love how they’re showing more of themselves and keeping the “assumers” in check, like proving how wrong I was about them. Hope that makes sense.

Re: people who say they could never date or have any kind of relationship with a Christian - Tbh, I have definitely felt this way in the past because I have so few experiences with Christians who are able to respect what I believe (or don’t believe) without trying to “save me” through having a friendship with me (and I’ve never encountered someone who would want a romantic relationship once it was clear I was not Christian.) it wasn’t something I was angry about or even necessarily faulted them for because when I was a Christian, that was my mindset. I understood it. Now, I wouldn’t say it would be impossible to be friends in some capacity with a Christian but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t make me extremely cautious until I can figure out if our values are aligned despite our differences in religious beliefs. I didn’t think it was even possible before I found this channel - so thank you for being that example.

These videos are so healing for me. I watch both zelf on the shelf and yall react to them. I cried when I watched the first one because I deconstructed while married and longed for this kind of response. But it didn’t happen and ended up turning toxic and it really messed me up. I’ve worked through a lot of it these days, but this is so cathartic

I also wasn't "excited" in the early phase of my atheism. If anything, I had a lot of fear about my family or even some of my friends finding out. But I can still kind of relate to Dave's excitement because it reminds me of my first several months as a vegetarian, and later my first several months as a vegan. Those were both moments in my life when I made a choice to align my actions with my ethics, which was exciting in itself, but then it also led to a period of exploration and discovery (e.g. learning I liked pinto beans and mushrooms and asparagus and nutritional yeast).

When I was deconverting, I also had that same mindset as Dave and Drew where I absolutely HAD to figure out the answer to any questions I had. My therapist at the time said it was in line with an OCD diagnosis (but more of an existential one where I was trying to control intangible stuff instead of doing any external actions), and while back then I wasn't sure about it, because I thought it was only in regards to deconstructing, that kind of "MUST FIND ANSWERS" thinking has kind of spread to other existential/philosophical areas of my life and gotten really strong, so when I got officially diagnosed with it a few months ago, it made a lot more sense.

So I'm coming here after just finishing the same video review by B Haney. Even though I'm no longer a Christian, I love her calm, compassionate, and sassy commentary. She was the first Christian I followed after I deconstructed. Drew was the first atheist I followed as I started my deconstruction. So I love watching videos from Taylor, Drew, and B consecutively to get a rounded view. I love that you both and B Haney have addressed the negative- almost stalkery- nature of the Fundie Snark community and create content that balances out the judgement with compassion and open ended conversation topics. Taylor, thank you for developing your channel so that I could follow a married female atheist, which was a missing link in my Sunday morning ritual. I love seeing you talk by yourself and with Drew. Your content helped me make sense of the guilt, loneliness, and anger I experienced when stepping away from the church. I love that you operate with grace and open-mindedness. Your kind criticism helps me feel like a good person through the relational changes after consciously realizing I wasn't truly a Christian. You validated being a good person who may not believe everything about God but you also softened my heart to not resent Bethany Beal, as I did when she blocked me as a friend when I challenged her beliefs. I started my deconstruction angry. But you show ways to think critically and kindly. Thank you

Honestly I don’t think I could be with a christian as a lesbian, there is so much in that faith in the communties and in the basis of it that feels counter to the relationship’s existence that I would struggle with that. I could understand women who date men also not wanting to deal with the sexism that’s baked into a lot of these religions even if that’s not my case. Even if they themselves don’t consciously hold those specific christian beliefs, idk why someone would want to be around that or not find it uncomfortable knowing what’s in their religion’s texts, when you could choose to date someone removed from any of those things. And so I don’t really think it’s fundamentalist thinking to not want that in your life tbh. But I get your viewpoint and also that me being raised in a way that I didn’t ever end up religious influences me here.

My deconstruction was very gradual. I kept going to Christian church as a general deist for years until I finally concluded that I didn't believe in a soul/afterlife. I hang out with a bunch of freethinkers now and I'm still just as good a person as always.

Taylor, i would be so interested in hearing about your current spirituality and related viewpoints, if you would be willing to share. 😀 Please do a video about your 'reconstruction' ☺️

it feels kind of weird to say, but i'm really proud? i guess is the word, of both Bethany and Dav. for having the courage and the bravery to not only walk through this change side by side but also to have been public about it prior to their step back from social media. I wish them both well as they navigate the way this is changing their lives and expectations for their future

There's a lot of wisdom in you, individually and as a couple. Thanks for these videos. There are a startling number of similarities between your experiences and mine, even though mine happened forty years ago. I like the way that you express such a balanced perspective and are willing to change as life goes on (e.g. the fact that you haven't necessarily come to exactly the same position on whether you identify as "atheist" or allow for the possibility of spirituality within your perspective). As a person with a PhD in European Intellectual History, I still tend to interpret the word Deconstruction as it applies to Jacques Derrida and other mostly French philosophers of the 1970s and 80s. But your use of it simply to mean "re-evaluating" your faith is growing on me, and I have to admit that it fits well with the original philosophical meaning.

In my experience, getting easily "offended" is a common tactic used by modern theists to shut down debate and discussion, and not just in fundamentalist Christian contexts either. I had a good friend in college who was Muslim, and in the immediate post 9/11 world we usually steered clear of religious topics, but she said numerous times that she considered all questioning of her faith "racist" and curiously, also "sexist" by white nominally Christian men like I was at the time. I was in a period of deep questioning and deconstruction of my own faith, and it was interesting how though I was able to question elements of my religion, for cultural as well as religious reasons she didn't feel she could do the same with hers. Of course, being polite and respectful, at the time I just listened and said nothing when she would describe her faith and say some things I found troubling (like how "no one" really leaves Islam, in her mind because of the inherent superiority of her faith, or how modern western women had let themselves become "trashy", though she also liked to go to clubs and dance and party herself in secret LOL). Eventually, we graduated and lost touch and I found her years later on social media becoming more fundamentalist. I felt sad because she was very smart and curious about all kinds of things in the world, especially in science (she became a microbiologist) and in a different context, I bet she might've explored her options more.

I have a lot of hope for Bethany and Dav, may they be happy together forever with or without faith

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I can relate to the experience of growing up in a Christian community where questions were permitted. Although the reason for it was that they all believed that they had all the answers, and that at a certain point the questions run out. Neither were true, though. When i was a kid I'd have at least one question for our pastor every Sunday that my parents couldn't answer. And while I'd accept the answers in the moment, I'd be working them over in my head for days afterwards. In my early teens i stopped going to my family church in exchange for going to local services, where i spoke with their pastors as well. I think i knew i didn't believe around then and was just trying to find someone to give me the answers that would bring me back. Then just before high school i had a breakdown that led to me accepting that i was an atheist and started looking elsewhere. I was very much an anyi-threist then, while all the bad habits from my religious upbringing just being used against Christianity instead of for it. Thankfully, I've grown a lot since then. I'm in my mid-20's now, and have long since come to the realization that my objective should not be to run away from Christianity, but instead run towards the life i wanted to live and the person i wanted to be.

I love watching the way you guys look at each other and listen so well to each other. You’re both so genuinely interested in what the other has to say. You rarely interrupt, you never seem to be just waiting to say your next piece. Just a beautiful example of active listening.

Hello Drew and Tay, nice to meet you! I'm just coming out as a non-Christian, I found this video so comforting, I'd been a Christian all my life (I'm 33). When my husband and I were dating I tried to introduce him to Christianism, he tried but was always critical and didn't swallow everything, started to question things and in the pandemic he decided he didn't want to go back to church with me ever again. He started reading and researching more and more, I stayed "strong" in my faith, and I quote bc I was never a fundamentalist, I wasn't so compromised as a true Christian should be, but still I was going to church every now and then. Little by little I started to disagree with many behavioral aspects of Christianity, I started to question why we were banned from doing certain things, and I simply started to reject all that. Then I started questioning the new testament, thinking that it referred to a completely different religion from what the old testament says. I got to the point where I started to question all the bible except for the ten commandments, bc I thought they were good rules for living in society, and I decided that was what God had truly left us with. However, I started questioning even that because why would God speak to a man thousands of years ago and hasn't done it again the way he did back then? Why doesn't he talk to us directly and explains to us what he wants, what he expects from us, why he created us, etc.? In addition, I've started questioning many other things while I listen to my husband express what he had kept to himself for almost 3 years, reading, finding out new things, learning about other perspectives and opening up his mind but having no one to talk to. He actually recommended both your channels. I've also been thinking a lot of things while I listen to you, and the more I pay attention to this, the more I research and investigate things on my own, the more I see that unfortunately Christianity has many "you need to have more faith" kind of "answers", and that it all depends on how each person experiences it. It's a pity and I feel disappointed to know that everything that I protected for so many years is just one more religion that has many double standards and many questions that really have no answers. Thank you for your channel and your content. I feel identified with Drew bc right now I'm at the point where my mind is restlessly questioning more and more things and finding true freedom to question whatever comes to my mind without falling into the trap of thought stopping cliches and finding reassurance in my husband and I'm really fortunate to have him and to find people like you who support people like us. You have no idea how liberating it is to find a channel like this. Thank you, really!!!

That is quite the character development. I actually teared up a bit when Bethany was talking about how much she loved her husband. As much as I criticize Christian culture for promoting performative emotions... man, that love is real.

I just found ya'lls channels a few weeks ago. I love how tactful, thoughtful, and open you guys are abut your past. It has genuinely help me process my own upbringing in the Christian space as I deconvert and face the fallout that comes with it. Thank you both so much.

aaa!! we missed you so much taylor, hope you're doing better :-)))

I so relate to the homework in your brain 100% of the time feeling. It's going on with me right now, not just bc of Evangelical deconstruction, but also evaluating my family systems, trying to find the authentic me, cutting contact with abusers, etc. When you start whatever kind of healing, it feels like you can't stop!

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I left evangelicalism as a preteen and that was bad enough. Doing it as a married adult sounds absolutely terrifying. For someone in Dav's situation it sounds impossible. I would hope everyone in the ex-Christian/atheist community gives them nothing but support. On the subject of breadth of experience versus depth of experience, youth is a time for breadth of experience. You have the physicality to travel and the mental "flexibility" to adapt to new people, places and things most easily. Later in life you can "settle down" and then have those in depth experiences in a place that you truly love. I traveled a lot when I was young and found a place that was best for me and have been here for a long time.

An interesting observation,, Bethany seems to be more comfortable with her own body image, dressing in a freer more open way instead of the way "modesty culture" would dictate,,even her body language is much much more comfortable, especially interactions with Dav on camera, they seem to be so comfortable with each other and really loving with each other and just completely being themselves, contrast in the past videos where she always had to be perceived as the public persona and very stiff and forced

I love hearing the contrast between Drew and Taylor's families' attitudes to questions; I'm sure Drew's family didn't intend harm, but I do feel like in many ways Taylor's family's attitude is a lot more intellectually healthy - and I wonder if growing up with those approaches has contributed to Drew's slightly more fixed approach to his position, at least earlier in his YT career, and Taylor's self-definition giving more wiggle room around her personal relationship with spirituality. (Possibly I favour Taylor's family's position because my ethnically catholic upbringing had a much more intangible definition of God, which means my fairly casual deconstruction leaves me very much in the "well, that would be fun if true but who knows" space, as opposed to "is this true? I have to know!" position that I feel Drew (and Dav) seem to approach sometimes.

Thank you for putting out content like this. As someone who “deconstructed” from my Conservative Pentecostal Evangelical world years ago all on my own, it was a very long and lonely road for me. When most of the people from your “before” life are all still Christian and the new people you meet tend to have very little to do (if anything) with Christianity, then there’s not a lot of people to relate with or lean on in that difficult journey. Your work is a tool to help people make this journey just a little easier and less lonely. ❤

Honestly it’s so nice to see other people deconstruct but choose to still be Christians. I say this as a Deconstructing Christian lol. Deconstructing is definitely misrepresented a lot but really deconstructing is just asking questions we’ve been told we aren’t allowed to ask.

very interested in this one! it's been very insightful and interesting to watch as they are slowly changing and figuring things out. thankd for the updates, love to hear your opinions and takes on the situation

The relief I felt when I realized that my life did not end or go to ruin after I left christianity was a life high

29:49 I love this framing about handling hypotheticals. I actually ran (run) into this more about politics than faith, but I think that has to do with politics coming before faith for some people in my close circle. The resistance is definitely the same. If you question a firmly held thought, then you’ve gone to some scary, imagined hellscape of existence.

This has been my absolute favorite video of yours yet. Amazing content. So genuine, on both sides.

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Even though my experience is very different, I found this video very encouraging. On a side note I really respect your stance on Dawkins. I am a little concerned about the remarks suggesting Unicorns weren't real but... that's not a huge deal 😄

I've listened to a video about you two going through deconstruction as a couple before and I found both that one and this one so interesting. I'm currently re-evaluating my Christian faith while my parter has been an atheist since age 11. It's a quite different scenario and has impacted us less because it's not a foundational piece of the relationship. What you said sbout having values that align even if your faith doesn't really resonated. Thank you

47:26 - My parents are pastors in a prominent evangelical church. I have a lot of religious trauma stemming from that, in addition to being trans. Having done my own deconstruction and now identifying as an agnostic, Christianity as a whole has still left a bad taste in my mouth years later, and I really can't see myself dating a Christian again. I understand what you and Drew are saying about the "functional difference", and I understand that Christianity is on a wide spectrum - but seeing someone identify as Christian on a dating app (especially as a queer person) is a huge turn off and will most likely lead to me swiping left. I don't feel like I'm falling victim to fundamentalist thinking though; I wouldn't NOT date someone exclusively because they identify as Christian, but given my trauma I just can't be around that culture anymore.

I have such respect for you and Drew. You are open and honest and...kind. Love that about you both. And hooray for Drew for turning down the Dawkins interview.

My husband and I are separating and it is the most loving thing we are doing for each other. I’m a trans man. He is straight. For both of us to be happy our marriage needed to end. We are best friends still.

Such a wonderful reminder around 45min - it’s not so easy to just cut family off! And to remember that just because someone is a part of a religion, we can’t assume what beliefs they may or may not hold. I love that while Drew is an atheist, he doesn’t look down on those who believe in a god. While I don’t really know where I land anymore in belief, it feels somewhere in the middle. I love seeing the understanding of nuance!!

"A new spirituality... not based on woo" amazing.

Thanks to you and Drew for deciding to not platform transphobes and for making that decision public.

This is so intresting. I remenber when I saw "Girl Defined Videos" years ago. As a person who was never religios, I was disgusted and thought there mindset is stuck in the middel ages. And now I see her in this interview and I see a quite reasonable and even likeable person.

The love and admiration and respect with which you two look at each other are truly beautiful and inspiring! ❤️

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41:50 Thank you, in the name of the trans community, for having such a clear stance.

Ay! Just goes to show you that labels can only tell you so much. I identify very strongly with spiritual naturalism, which I don't think is a label Tay mentioned but is exactly that feeling of spirituality without the "woo." But I also identify as an atheist :)

It's really interesting to see how deconstruction and freely experiencing love are often so connected. I lost my religion as a teenager because of my own experiences (as a woman) of relationships, sexuality and love. Within Christianity, acts of intimacy are often framed as being sinful and shameful, and especially as a woman, your sense of self and sexuality (as independently from men) is extremely limited.

Thank you for your kind outlook and example, and for demonstrating how to see that in others!

Can’t wait to see what y’all think of this video! Your video about the Paul & Morgan video with Bethany & Dav was what turned me on to Zelph on the Shelf in the first place.

Definitely coming out as an atheist to my ex-wife was the death knell for our relationship - however there were other things going on at the time too that played into that. The abridged version is that it started with a conversation I had with my dad when he was dying from cancer. Part of that was bringing up my atheism, where I found out that he was also not convinced either - though it did not bother him as either there would be something or there wouldn't. I hadn't felt supported by her during my dad's illness and she demanded time that I asked her to allow me to spend with my dying father. So there was some resentment from that, and more after he died and she compared my dad's death to her mom moving halfway across the country and not being able to visit her as often as she'd like. We drifted apart more after that since I didn't really feel like I could confide or rely on her. After about a year, I started to come out of my depression and actually started to feel something besides sadness (therapy would have helped with this, no doubt.) I started trying to pick up the pieces, though at this point she'd decided that I'd deceived her for the previous 10 years of our relationship and was always an atheist. There was no recovering from that, she had made up her mind at that point. Anyway, after I'd started dating again, I initially didn't set any limits on religiosity. However, in my area with the tiny, and predominantly conservative, dating pool, it became obvious that trying to make something work with a Christian wasn't going to work out. I'd had a fair number of dates and short relationships where my lack of belief wasn't respected as legitimate, or where we clashed on other important-to-us-topics where a religious text was the basis for the disagreement. Rather than continue wasting time, I narrowed my search down to fellow atheists (closeted or not). Atheism is no guarantee of a skeptic's mind, though at least in my are it is a good way to weed out a large percentage that aren't. So while in theory, I agree with Drew that choosing a partner based on shared values is what matters, the calculus changes when you move from armchair ;-) dating to actual dating. It may not be an issue in some areas, but it will be a serious issue in others if you're not open to moving, as was the case with me. Sure, I probably could have eventually found a Christian where we could agree on the important fundamentals, that would also have been a considerable amount of time spent conversing with them. I always liked to have meaningful chat exchanges before investing the time to meet someone in person, though just swiping left or right on people would have taken even more time that I wasn't willing to give.

Would love a video about your non woo spirituality!❤

54:41 this was my absolute FAVORITE part of the entire video. Dav was AMAZING in this section, and I agreed with him 100%.

U r so cute together wish this kind of relationship to all people who desire it ❤️

Hope this channel continues to take off. Please start collaborating with others and you’ll probably see an instant growth!

"Developed spirituality that doesn't involve the supernatural" and "no longer an atheist" seem pretty contradictory. Isn't theism strictly supernatural?

What I see that Dave needs more life experience. It's like how christians view the moral argument. No one has morals only christians can have morals. I believe in my opinion, Dave thinks how can he be married or this case stay married when he was married in the christian frame work. What does marriage mean outside of that frame work. Its a bit of over thinking I hope. Otherwise Dave actually comes off a bit cruel. Im hoping its his naive take lack of life experience speaking. Marriage and lasting love commitment does exist in marriages that are not God centered. Or relationships where marriage is not the goal. I can only specilate his meaning or his struggles.

Isn't it so fascinating that the same people that are against divorce for reasons such as infidelity or abuse are suddenly all for it just because one of the people in the relationship stopped believing in god?

thanks for all the work you put into your videos and channel. it does not go unappreciated! thanks for providing insight, knowledge, and entertainment. this goes for drew too cuz i watch both channels :) have a great day!

I love this kind of content!! Thanks Taylor :)

The pressure to separate from your partner has nothing to do with religion, it is pure tribalism of the worst kind. Your religious or political leader tells you who the "other" are, and you accept it or tolerate it to stay aligned with the group. It does not matter whether the sacred book says one thing or another.

I would love love love a video about what your current spiritual beliefs are!!!

I just realized you're at 66.6k subscribers, how long has it been like that? haha

Thank you. Being raised and scooled in Catholicism, I wasn't aware of deconstructing being used in this context. In mainstream denominations. It doesn't need to be all or nothing. People don't acknowledge their beliefs. Christianity is becoming more like Jews feel about Judism, Christianity is more like a heritage, what club one's rootsfor.

Taylor, have you done a video explaining your perspective since setting aside the atheist label? I think I might be in a similar position and it would be really really cool to see you talk through how this is happening in your life.

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It’s a slippery slope people. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start attending motion picture shows in swanky downtown theaters. What a shame. 😜

Taylor, have you ever done a video explaining your spirituality? You don't use the label atheist anymore, and I'm curious what label you DO use, and why. I'd love to see a vid on that.

Love this video 😍😍

I don't personally understand when y'all keep saying things like , "I can read with an open mind" ( reading science books) or feeling like you can think for yourself? Perhaps it's a personality thing, but as a Christian I am capable and able to read books, watch movies , etc. That don't align with Christian values and discern whether I believe them to be good or bad for myself or society as a whole. After all we all have free will and it's not like as a Christian we are spoon fed information with no reflection for ourselves of what's being told to us. At least that should not be the way it is. It is very good to keep an open mind and challenge concepts you don't agree with or understand. Questions are a very affective way to find truth. As someone who does believe in Jesus. I am very saddened by concepts of deconstruction because I do believe it to be Satan's way to confuse and make believers doubt their faith. He is a master of deception and confusion, and "deconstruction" as a whole does lead to such things when pertaining to one's faith. For those who do not believe in God, I would ask do you believe in good and evil? And if you do believe in the presence of evil things in the world, than I would highly consider questioning what that means about the presence of good and where such good and just things are derived from. Satan's slickest trick in the book is to simply convince us neither good/bad exists and its all just silly nonsense. Anyways, I've said my peace, but I do want to say y'all seem like people who do seek to help people. We all are on our own journey's when it comes to wrapping our minds around our existence in this world and I sincerely hope you and everyone watching come to find the truth. God bless ❤

Okay, I have to say this: The emphasis and language around “deconstruction” in this community reminds me of the evangelical emphasis on “conversion.” Not advocating for evangelicals here, but just saying that the mentality may go deeper than you think

I didn't really vibe with the conversation around 45 minutes. The idea that it is an equal dichotomy between someone who leaves religion and the person who stays, where their potential to equally sustain respect and safety for the other person is super flawed. When someone leaves religion, they are often in danger and ostracized before they can make the choice. They may leave religion because of a preexisting toxicity and that may factor into cutting people out. No, that is not always the case. Now, why it is not equal is that the danger to a religious person because someone they love deconstructs/leaves is not the same. I don't agree with the idea that atheists who encouraged disconnecting with people do it for the same fallacy of "unequal yoke", but rather because there can be, may already be, real danger and toxicity there. Religious people are only TOLD non religious people are dangerous, and you know they're not. Didn't hear any reflection on that before I paused. So I hope that make sense. I felt it was a false equivalence.

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1:17:40 did he say Pastors or Pastas because i kinda want to sign up

Hoping to someday see a Bethany & Dav & Taylor & Drew colab!

I have no idea how much if any animosity exists between girl defined and you guys, but I think it could be so productive if the four of you were able to sit down for a couple of hours. That may be quite hard for Bethany though if she feels like the only Christian in the room

Girl Defined will come to an end?

Kinda sounds to me... like... the faith that Tay was raised into being equivalent to trying to base your politics and philosophy on what Jordan Peterson says. Like when I last gave blood, the nurse found the good vein... and then, when she tried to stick it, it slid away.

1:03:41 “digital nomads” is really a trend/thing among Millenials?

Ive been following this for a while, and I find it super fascinating to watch first hand... but my biggest takeaway from this whole thing is... Dave got hot.

1. I don't understand how Dav and Bethany ended up together because they dont make any sense together to me. 2. It's messing with my brain a bit how much your voice (Taylor) soinds like Jordan's voice of Jordan and Mackay

Hello 🥖

@40:37 I agree 💯

Hey, 66.6k followers!

13:15 And now you guys “doing it” just intrusively popped into my head.

Your subs are at 66,6 🤣

50:49 a dialectical conservative?