NEW MASS REVISION: How much did the Catholic Mass change after Vatican II? 

Agree Those who thought it are geniuses 💪💪💪

Me too!

Working on it!

Yes!!! I would buy that!

@@MassoftheAges thank you. I’m interested as well

Please make a poster of this.

@@ralph_furley I agree. 👍 And displayed in the NO parishes, for all to contemplate on and ponder 🤔😳

I got chills watching it.

@@mrsl5514 Same!

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is still alive in the Novus Ordo.

@@johnflorio3576 true, Jesus is still present in the Eucharist but the loss of sacred prayers and reverence that is found in the TLM is the reason 70% of NO attending Catholics don’t even believe in the True Presence.

@@stephg3547 Wow! That's amazing

Very sad indeed. Lord in heaven, what were they thinking. 🤔😳

The Latin Mass Society of England and Wales has done a comparison and posted it on their website. I'll try posting the link in a separate comment.

@@rtyria Wow, that's fantastic! Thank you so much! Please, I would love to see that.

Even better would be a side by side by side comparison of the VO, the NO, and Cranmer's service from 1570(?)ish, which would prove that the NO is more protestant than Catholic

Here is a pretty good comparison. www.latinmassschedule.com/Resources/A%20COMPARISON%20between%20the%20old%20and%20new%20liturgy.pdf

@@eb4203 Or a comparison of the NO and a Lutheran service as my husband mentioned that there are significant similarities.

Yes, but the Real Presence remains.

@@johnflorio3576 this is true. I don't doubt that one bit. There's even plenty of eucharistic miracles from Novus Ordo masses to prove it

@@johnflorio3576 If a man walks into the King's throne room and shows about 90% less respect to the King than he used to, people have a right to be shocked and outraged. The fact that the King is still present is exactly why showing less reverence is a travesty. You're trying to act like people are denying that Christ is present in the Eucharist. The truth is that it's because they acknowledge His presence that they're outraged.

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In the spirit of TLM, the only language for the video should be Latin!

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc I would guess He refers to the labels of the different sections that are in English If those labels would be in Spanish for sure someone “que hable español” would easily identify those with the ones in the Novus Order mass

@@katiushkaflores El Señor nos arreglará en el juicio final.

Porqué cuando el Señor nos envió el Espíritu Santo en Hechos de los Apóstoles, capítulo dos, todas las naciones podemos escuchar la voz del Señor en nuestra propio lengua.

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc Oh great!, you speack spanish Let me try to explain it in spanish instead then Yo creo el se refiere a las etiquetas que ustedes superponen en el video para identificar las distintas sectiones con su correspondiente par en el Novus Order. Estas notas estan en ingles. Ejemplo: "2ND READING" poner en espanol "SEGUNDA LECTURA", etc... 🙂

Tak było, dopiero po soborze watykańskim II nastąpiły te zmiany 😢

Quite easily, actually! All one has to do is focus on the miracle of the Eucharist that takes place at every Mass.

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 You are right to think that such an abomination is disgusting and blasphemous, but your hypothetical situation is only that. Because from personal experience of being a daily communicant for a quarter of a century, not once in 25 years have I ever experienced the atrocities you describe. I’m with you - I would not only react with disgust - I would be even more revolted at the irreverence of it all if a priest were to do what you describe. But that has never been my personal experience, and I dare say that has not been the experience of millions of Catholics around the world. Rather, at every Mass I have attended because I am responding to Our Lord’s invitation to be in full communion with Him, Our Lord Jesus Christ has humbled Himself in the miracle of the Eucharist where simple bread and wine becomes His sacred Body and Blood. So, I don’t know about you, but I am a Catholic, and thus I will not protest against the Church that is protected by the Holy Spirit because Our Lord’s promise in Matthew 16 is true: “the gates of hell will not prevail.” Thus, the best any of us can do is give thanks (eucharistia in Greek) to Our Lord Jesus Christ who will humble Himself still on every altar, at every Mass, in every Catholic church around the world today - to become present to us in his Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. I could be wrong, and I am on many things, but it seems to me that criticizing the Novus Ordo reveals a problem - not with the liturgical changes of Vatican II - but with Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself who is Emmanuel - God present to us in the Most Holy Eucharist at every Novus Ordo Mass I have attended since 1997. Therefore, keep yourself from full communion with the Church if you must. But when you stand before Jesus in judgment, you will have some “ ‘splaining” to do. So will, I of course. So will all of us. When we stand before Jesus in judgment, may we all have the words of the tax collector in Luke 18 who simply prays, “be merciful to me, Lord a sinner.” Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on us. Mary, Mother of the Eucharist and of the Church, intercede for us. St. Michael, protect us.

That's exactly what i am thinking too.

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 Well said!

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc Look into the changes for ordination. No valid priest, no valid Eucharist...

"most priests don't even follow the Roman Missal word for word, but make up their own stuff here and there and add things" -- I don't know in which diocese you live, but what you write has never been my experience. I have been blessed to be a daily communicant for more than twenty years and in all this time, I don't recall even one Mass where any priest "made up [his] own stuff here and there." And in case you are interested, my experience that are different from yours has been predominantly in the Diocese of Arlington and the Archdioceses of Baltimore and Washington. Though in my travels the Masses I have attended all over the country are not as you describe them to be.

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc Third video I look at from Arlington already has the sign of the cross wrong.

@@nathanvangoor4979 how so?

not available in my parish

@@gtaylor178 I'm sorry that is your situation.. I have to travel to attend but not terribly far

I go twice a week, Deo Gratias!

@@judgmentaltoast SO SO WONDERFUL !!!!

@@jm5164 6 months ago you needed a ticket to get in and the tickets were limited to 16, so not available in my parish at that time.

Yes, it is said just once. I think it was shown.

@@rtyria I see it now. I was looking at the priest’s “Domine non sum” which was completely removed. The sheet didn’t show the second confiteor that can be recited or the absolution that would come before the “Ecce Agnus Dei…” in the Vetus Ordo. Funny I didn’t notice it, but here’s a thing of note that missing this reminded me of, in the NO the communication of our lord is not bifurcated as it is in the TLM. Which I can’t remember if it was addressed or not in the documentaries but this is a HUGE difference as it attempts to remove the distinction between the priest and lay.

@@JM-740 I hadn't noticed that before either. Thanks for pointing it out.

@@rtyria lack of Bifurcation along with the destruction of the offertory, non use of the canon is a huge reason many people entirely write off the NO.

@@JM-740 Bifurcation is also removed from the confiteor

You're right that the preface can still be chanted. So we took out the chant *notation* because as Pope Paul VI admitted, when making the spoken language the principle language of the Mass: 'we will lose a great part of the incomparable gregorian chant'. This is because the English words cannot simply be mapped onto the original chants with different syllables and emphasis. The chant is written for Latin. We still kept the word 'Preface' to communicate that this section was not removed.

Thanks for the clarification😁

Interesting. Which country? And was there resistance when the Novus Ordo came in?

Pronounced by Pope Paul VI at St. Peter's Basilica, June 30, 1968, at the end of the "Year of Faith": "We believe that the Church is necessary for salvation,... But the divine design of salvation embraces all men; and those who...do not know the Gospel of Christ and His Church...can obtain salvation." Those words are found in "The Credo of the People of God as published in The Acts of the Apostolic See, August 10, 1968" (See _Modern Catholic Dictionary_ by John A. Hardon, SJ). Think about them. First Paul VI asserted that you need the Gospel and the Church, then he asserted that you don't. What he really meant, of course, is that, strictly speaking, no human ever needed the Church or Gospel. After all, the god could have merely withheld Jesus and never established the Church. Problem of salvation solved, no crazy plan required. If you study the words again, you ought to notice also that exposure to the Church and the Gospel, so called, can reduce your chances of salvation. It's true that Paul VI mentioned some conditions which I omitted. They are arbitrary, subject only to the whim of the god, assuming that it exists.

@@JuteTwine “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” John 3:16-21

"I to this day, think more input should of been done by many more & both sides." Ergo the "Synod on Synodality," perhaps?

Because Vat II consulted Protestants on how to make the mass more appealing to them.. is a disgrace

@@RedWolf5 That's not the way I see it -- not a disgrace at all -- but a means by which Our Lord Jesus's fractured Church might be one (cf. John 17:21). For the Holy Spirit to touch hearts, humility is required, and that is what happened in the liturgical reforms sixty years ago. Humility is still required of us all. As Catholics, either we trust that the Holy Spirit inspired the Bishops at Vatican II or we don't -- and and that we witness a miracle at every Paul VI Mass where bread and wine become the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ -- or we don't. In forty years (or in the year 2062) at the 100th anniversary of Vatican II, I predict the Church might revisit some of the changes from Vatican II because for any major council in the Church's 2,000 year history, it takes at least three or for generations of people to understand fully how the Holy Spirit was guiding the Church at a particular moment. We are only 60 years out from Vatican II. And, the Church has seen much worse in our long history! Through it all, She still produces saints through her sacred liturgies, of which the Extraordinary Form and Novus Ordo are only two of the 26 rites within the Catholic Church.

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc sorry but you don’t know what you are talking about.

@@RedWolf5 What in what I wrote is in error?

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc did you watch the video?

No, you're wrong. This IS exactly precise. There is nothing valid about the Novus Ordo.

@@Mr.SLovesTheSacredHeartofJesus If what I wrote was wrong, how is it wrong?

There can’t be equal dignity in the new when most references to sin, judgement, and hell have been removed from the collects and mass readings.

@@jlouis4407 What readings are excluded?

On your critique points - Gregorian is far from the norm and in the TLM the propers are sung by the choir and said by the priest; the latter has been removed - The shorter apostolic creed is now a much used option - The missal only provides options to do 3x2, 3x3 is not there - The change from 'peace to men' to 'peace to people' is a change in the official translation; this is also a global change in the sense that many languages have done a similar change. This is done to promote the removal of boundaries between men and women in the NO. - No one uses Gregorian, the ideal way to celebrate the NO is not very representative and not fit for a comparison. - - 'can' and 'intended'. It's again not the norm, though I guess somewhat common. I do actually find it strange he removed the neumes for that The NO allows for a lot of simplifications, which is one of the biggest critiques

No you're right, the Trinidine Mass never existed :)

No, it is about 1640 years old really.

“The Latin mass remains virtually unchanged since the 3rd century” JHN

@@RedWolf5 Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure that you want to assert that? My friend, you have been lied to if you think that

@@jonathansoko1085 I didn’t say that, is a quote you silly goose.

So, who then was the last true Pope?

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc Could have been Paul VI, where if he was, he ceased to be. Could have been JP1 but God took him before he showed whether he officially supported Vatican II or not.

@@rubecork7102 Hmm, that understanding is inconsistent with the Catholic faith.

@@ignacio.gonzalez.osb_dc St. Francis de Sales wrote: "Now when [the Pope] is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church must either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."

@@rubecork7102 So, Saint Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict were heretics?