Vatican II and Clown Masses 

I don’t blame you that lack of reverence is why I am becoming orthodox ☦️

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A belated welcome home, brother. God bless you eternally! 🙏❤️🙏

You have good taste and good sense, even at 13 years old!

@@Taylor0816but we can change this instead of leaving. Matthew 16:18 the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ church.

I'm Polish, I live in Poland all of my life - Polka is not only foreign to us, but it is not even our music genre - it's Czech music.

​@PRKP Not to mention that it's completely unheard of - like completely - to play nonsense music during the celebration of Mass. Are these people insane ..?

Thank you for sharing this.

Being from the Midwest, I can say that the polka masses are not frequent. They are usually held in concert with some local celebration or fund raising event.

The Polish Parish where I normally go for English Mass definately does Not do this at their Polish Mass. their Polish mass is very respectful other than some ordinary NO customs.

A language no one understands

@@RPlavo all you need is the missal, it’s very easy to follow along! And also, learning Latin is a wonderful thing!

@@RPlavo Latin is not difficult to understand if you are willing to make a litlle effort. As an International Language, it is certainly easier to understand than Esperanto, which never really got off the ground..

Yeah I prefer the TLM, I find nothing wrong with it as well! Why try to fix something so wonderful that’s not broken, only to really end up breaking it?

@@RPlavo I am a USCitizen in Mexico and go to a Spanish Mass several times a week. I barely understand the homily and I remember the Mass replies in Latin. The Language is the very least, of the problematic changes especially emptying out of the Liturgy.

Try to go to a High Mass but the Low, not-sung Mass is beautiful too. Reverence lies in the Apostolic Mass itself, not in the attempts of men. The Latin Mass converted the world. When it was fragmented and allowed to be influenced by Protestantism, mission activity was abandoned and the very essence of the Mass and priesthood became clouded with heterodox theology. God bless you on your journey

Im also being confirmed next month. I started in Novus Order, which I have no problem with, but I was lucky enough to attend one Latin Mass. Its amazing ! Nothing compares to the feeling of the Latin Mass, I HIGHLY recommend going to one as soon as you can. You won't regret it !

Hurry up, because the current powers that be in Rome have a inexplicable and unabiding hatred for the TLM.

Congratulations on Confirmation. Welcome to your Catholic family.

@@sharonwalker6595 Thank you ! Glad to be home !

Child of God, pray instead that Jesus returns soon in spirit, to deliver us from all these errors of mankind’s foolishness.😊

And traditional priests 🙏🏼

it's more traditional than you might realize...

Chicken Dance after Communion?

Our priests, Father Morris (our Pastor) and Father Ward are conservative and traditional. We have a Latin Mass at our Mission church, St. Mary just outside of Ironton.@@Titadj

But there isn't room for "woke," permissive progressivism, or multiculuralism and diversity as these are not pro-Catholic.

@@evelynmcewen8874 wow. What “ culture” do you accept, dear?

@CM Not "woke", unGodly culture, that's for sure. Given my post before this, pal, and your response to it, I think it's obvious what sad kind you support. Muting you as your comments are no longer worth my time.

@@evelynmcewen8874 no surprise there. Predictable. Lol. Speaking of sad…what a sad life…dumping on other people’s joy.

@@evelynmcewen8874 multi-culturalism and diversity are completely catholic. You could join Norse Paganism, if you hate diversity.

​@@DoctorDewgongThat's just untrue and most of what was "added" is adapted tradition that was used in liturgy even before the Tridentine reform

@@DoctorDewgong The Mass of the Ages documentary is propaganda with lots of fear mongering that uses very selective facts and history in the service of that propaganda. You are not getting an honest picture from that documentary.

​@@DoctorDewgong Not true

There is no such thing as the Mass of 5he Ages. It was Greek the first 300 years.

@@davidhawkins5329 Greek until the Latin vernacular was added

That's cool! It's totally okay to like it!

@@cseelinger You are employing moral relativism, when in fact, the Traditional Latin Mass *is* the ONLY form which ought to be celebrated in the Roman rite. The point is that the Novus Ordo was founded on Protestant notions, led by Masons & Protestants, and no good fruit has come from it. In fact, we have had a host of liturgical abuses come from it, when no liturgical abuses came from the TLM.

@@shawnmurphy7778I’ll do Aramaic instead thank you

@@shawnmurphy7778 also catholic means universalist so the new version is more catholic than ever before lol. But orthodox historically was almost always more catholic than the varicanist

I ‘m Roman rite all my life and have always felt I was at liturgy

Has the Ukrainian Eastern Rite fragmented from Eastern Orthodox (Russia) due to the invasion?

@@infotecharytipperary1827 the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU) received a TOMOS from Constantinople because the Russian church uncanonically annexed the Ukrainian church a long time ago. Now they are trying to take back all the property the Russian church has stolen

​@@infotecharytipperary1827 [First post of 2 posts] Eastern Rite (aka: Byzantine Rite, Greek Rite, Uniate Church) are part of the *Roman* *Catholic* church. The Eastern *Orthodox* Church in Ukraine is split between two Patriarchates [SEE: My second post (that is set up as a reply to this post) as the continuation of this post]

​ @infotecharytipperary1827 [Second post of 2 posts] The Eastern *Orthodox* Church in Ukraine is split between two Patriarchates 1.) "UOC-MP" ("Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Moscow Patriarchate") The primate of the UOC-MP is *Metropolitan Onufriy* (title: "Metropolitan of Kyiv and All Ukraine.") He is an ethnic Ukrainian 2.) "AOCU" (aka "O.C.U.") is the Autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine", "The Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU) was established by a unification council on 15 December 2018. The council voted to unite the existing Ukrainian Orthodox churches (UOC-KP, UAOC and parts of the UOC-MP) through their representatives, on the basis of complete canonical independence. The primate of the Church is styled the "Metropolitan of Kyiv and all Ukraine". The unification council elected Epiphanius I as its first primate. The Church was officially granted autocephaly on 5 January 2019 by decree of the Ecumenical Patriarch, Bartholomew I" - Wikipedia Ecumenical Patriarch, Bartholomew of Constantinople is the "first among equals" of the Eastern Orthodox Churches. The see is located in the Turkish city of Istanbul. Under the Eastern Roman/ Byzantine empire, the capital of the empire and the see was the ancient city of Constantinople (now called Istanbul)

Go only to a Traditional seminary. You don't want to end up thinking laymen are your equals or that one religion is as good as another. The FSSP seminary is in Germany.

My parish used to have Irish missionaries to run schools. They got along well with non christian parents and politicians who wanted their children enrolled in christian schools and to continue studies abroad.

@@carolynkimberly4021 I won't Carolyn don't worry I'm part of a good community ran by Dan Burke.

@@TheChurchofBreadandCheese So happy to hear it. Deo Gratias

I belong to a group that has a Holy Hour for vocations. I will pray for you.

God love her for her poor broken heart. ❤

I mean, if you can’t pay attention to a mass dressed as a clown I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you aren’t focusing enough on the internal part and care more about the outside performance of decency and solemnity? Like how some people care more about gold decorations and fancy clothes than about worshiping and prayer. While to some people the expensive gold decorations ARE a form of worship. So maybe some propel NEED the outside dressings and solemnity to be able to focus and do what they need to do

@y Clown "Masses" are NOT in God's plan

@yclown Masses are sacriligeous

@yclown Masses are sacriligeous

It is not only unjust but illegal and evil what Francis and Roche are trying to to do. I belong to an FSSP parish which seems safe for now. But if the destroyer comes for us, we will go back to the catacombs if necessary. Go to the SSPX if necessary. Surely, the next Pope will set things right. Evil will not triumph.

The form wasn't the problem. It was the pride and attitude my way or highway of ridgedness.

@@wednesdayschild3627 So it was right to punish the whole group of faithful over the sins of some people who don't represent the whole? Is this the synodal way, accompanying the faithful, showing mercy, and listening, as the Pope preaches us to do?

@@wednesdayschild3627 That is nonsense. Francis blames EWTN and Taylor Marshall for persecuting faithful Catholics.

@@wednesdayschild3627 I don’t think that’s universally true. Seems like the whole gets punished for the minority’s mistakes.

People who can remember the Latin Mass in non-revival form are becoming fewer every year. As an occasional TLM worshipper, Latin Masses seem to have a representative demographic. I think the Holy Father is mistaken in his fear of them as hotbeds of reaction and schism, if indeed that is what he thinks.

A lot of young people who grew up with guitar masses feel like they were robbed of the opportunity to experience real Catholic tradition and worship while growing up. And they have a point

I haven’t found that to be true. Most young people don’t even know the mass was said in Latin and could care less about it. One young woman I talked to ,when I casually mentioned something about a Latin Mass , refused to believe me. She said “ Latin? Like the Romans spoke? That makes no sense…why would the Church do that?” And gently accused me of joking with her. I told her to go research it if she liked. But pretty sure she isn’t missing a Latin mass and likes the Mass just as it is.

@@c.m.cordero1772 Ignorance is not preference, it simply means people have done a bad job in educating young Catholics. Sacrosanctum consilium not to mention most church tradition before Vatican II speaks of the primacy of both the Latin language and of musical forms such as Gregorian chant in the liturgy, I think a reform of the reform is necessary in order to properly reconcile things, but that is a different discussion. I can only speak for myself and the handful of young Catholics I know, but we are in the 18 to 25 demographic and almost to the man we preferred the TLM, this is a group by the way which is pretty well spread out so it’s not as if this is only a single parish sample size. This is just my perspective, so take it with a grain of salt but as people who have largely grown up in a world flooded with artificial ideas and false platitudes with everything from politicians to advertising, and then being submerged in the horrendous pit that is the Internet, we crave something authentic and The tlm having for the most part developed organically over thousands of years seems much more authentically Catholic to our sensibilities than the reform which wile incorporating some elements of ancient rights was largely developed by a bunch of boomers in the 60s and then forcibly implemented at breakneck speed from the top down, resulting in a liturgical mess which took decades to somewhat clean up. And not to ramble on but it would be really nice if the powers that be in Rome did not treat those of us who prefer older forms of the liturgy, as if we were schismatic for wishing to learn, and teach the faith of our forefathers we are called to be obedient and personally, I would not consider joining a SSPX chapel or some such thing, but it is quite demoralizing to know how the holy C has been treating TLM communities, while allowing all kinds of liturgical abuses under the sun regarding the Novus ordo, and being rather non-interventionist as regards, the open heresy in Germany but I digress.

@@allthenewsordeath5772 And I don’t know any young person, educated or not ,who prefers a Latin Mass. That’s my experience. And I know a lot of them in a lot of parishes. But if some people want to have a Latin Mass somewhere, sometime…I see no harm in it. I don’t want to go to one.

Only about 13% of the original language from the ancient Mass was retained in it; the most prominent ommission was the great focus of the sacrifice of our Lord Calvary replaced with the focus on the supper: a table replaced an altar. Annibale Bugnini brought in 6 protestants to Vatican II to at least receive input from them on changes made to the mass, with at least 2 of the 6, one a Lutheran, in approval of the changes. In the end, when abuses occur, the higher-ups will say it shouldn't be occurring, that it isn't in Vatican II, but often nothing gets done. But when it is in Vatican II the mass is to be said in Latin it's ignored.

​​@@evelynmcewen8874 just stop already Constant criticism by all you rad trads makes me want to become a Protestant! I was raised on the Conservative Novus Ordo in Poland. I LOVE, DEEPLY DEEPLY DEEPLY LOVE OUR LORD and i learned to LOVE Him in the Novus Ordo Church. The graces are here...just as much as un the Traditional Latin Mass I love Latin, which comes easy to me because i speak polish, and i attended the Traditional Latin Mass but all this fighting mostly by people like you made me leave the TLM. And yes, i miss it, but i will Not attend it again because i want to WORSHIP our Lord instead of POLITICIZE THE MASS! SO STOP ALREADY! PLEASE ALL THIS FIGHTING WITHIN THE CHURCH HARMS OUR LORD MUCH MORE THEN THE LIBERAL MASSES.....IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO LOVE OUR LORD............ Ask yourself, are you better then other Catholics just because you attend the TLM and trash the Novus Ordo? If your answer is yes then you live in the mortal sin of pride....which is sadly extremely prominent among the Rad trads. Sadly. I know because i was very guilty of this myself for a while and begged God to forgive me. I have met many beautiful, loving Catholics in the Novus Ordo Churches, unfortunately i only met few very very loving and accepting people at the TLM Churches, especially SSPX, most were extremely critical, political, often close hearted and even mean people wgo gossip and criticize the whole Catholic Church, all Popes and think they are the Only saintly Catholics.....wow.....how wrong......... And by the way, the Protestant invited to the Vatican II Counsel were NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE. SO STOP ATTACKING THE COUNSEL IF YOU CLEARLY DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS. May God help you see.... May God help us all.

@@marzena3396815 You are clearly triggered and resorting to name-calling, projecting, painting others with a broad brush, making things up, talking nonsense, and spewing venom against them when facts are presented about the changes made. Stop being rigid towards others, hateful, and not showing accompaniment. The division being stoked was and is AGAINST the Latin mass and those who attend it, and has been ongoing against them for 60 years, and not from those who support the TLM. Francis is waxing protestant: Francis was in hearty approval of both the Vatican Martin Luther/Melanchton stamp and statue being rolled out and he even declared the church agrees with Luther on Justification when it never did before as hundreds of years worth of popes and saints are against him on this matter having sided with the Council of Trent instead. And Francis was in disobedience to infallible councils by participating in a service with pro-aBoRt, pro-gay marriage, heretical Lutherans in Sweden as councils have said this is not allowed. And the 6 protestants at V2 weren't brought there for window dressing but to offer up suggestions, and at least 2 of them were apparently happy with the changes.

I love the maronite mass. I heard it was very latinized with Vatican II, give me great curiosity as tô how it was before.

Awesome.

This was the way Latin Catholics prayed too before novus ordo came along.

I love the Maronite way of giving the Sign of Peace.

@@ltfchater I am a cradle Maronite Catholic and I wish it was never latinised with Vatican 2, I would have loved to attend a Traditional Maronite mass every week, instead now to go to TLM

Then you have never been in a Byzantine Catholic Mass

@@YiriUbic3793 My thoughts exactly. The Divine Liturgy is completely mystical.

@@YiriUbic3793 I have actually. Tridentine mass is just... wow

TLM is only 500 years old contrary to what people believe.

Well said.

It's also the most perfect use of music for the mass, regardless of what random local music scene that someone grows up with. The documents of Vatican II even say that it should have "pride of place" in the liturgy; it shouldn't be removed and replaced with the local tune of the week

Its appeal isn’t to our sense of culture, but rather to the very soul of every man, irrespective of age, culture, race, or nationality. There is no higher form of music.

It doesn’t speak to a lot of people.

@@c.m.cordero1772 your personal preferences are not part of the conversation for what is best for mass

@@c.m.cordero1772 Not all who heard the call of Our Lord followed Him.

How does it do that?

@@christiandpaul2022 go to one and see for yourself

All masses give us a taste of heaven.

I think perhaps that's a very narrow conception of what heaven is like.

I agree. It's so beautiful and reverent. I always get teary-eyed when I go.

Children's Mass is Clown 🤡 🤣 free

God bless!!!

God Bless you!!!

Thank you Jesus for answered prayers! Thank you Pius Pax, we need you! 🙏❤️🙏

I mean the Latin mass

Because our culture isn't valued as much as an African's culture

May God bless you. The few African Roman Catholics it has been my honor to meet ( A couple from Nigeria, a seminarian from Ghana ) have a sense of true devotion and commitment that is difficult to find here. Despite intrusive and dangerous 'folk preachers' who prey upon the simple, exploit the poor and pervert the Gospel, the sons and daughters of the church have, as the hymn says 'Lift High the Cross' with sacrifice and Honor.

Some churches actually dance and clap more as to them THAT effort is the sacrifice and the worship. Harder you sing or clap = harder your worship. To me worship is a mental thing, so clapping or not clapping or dressing modest or solemnity or dignity (which is a super varied concept) is not something God would mind or prefer. It’s a feeling that you make inside of yourself. My opinion however doesn’t match everyone’s. Some people think that you NEED to dress and act a certain way to produce worship feelings, and any deviation from tradition is sin.

@@yucol5661 It has NOTHING to do with "producing worship feelings', that makes no sense anyway. Feelings aren't a great part of religion or should not be. "Love" in the Christian sense is an ACT OF WILL not essentially a feeling. It is doing what is right to those around you, treating the other as you would be treated. We dress well in church to show RESPECT. Respect for the members of the church, respect for the church itself, respect for the tradition that leads us back to the first of our kind in God's love. By dressing as well as we can it is a way of saying Lord I give my best to you'. If all you have is a pair of jeans with a hole in the crotch and a T-shirt, clean them up the night before, wash your face, come as neat and presentable as you can. People understand. But to come in expensive designer jeans with your arse out...nope. Just nope your way out of there until you have respect for others and for yourself.

​@@yucol5661what planet are YOU living on

​@@yucol5661what planet are YOU living on

Seems like the community's own problem then

@@reintaler6355 absolutely 100% true but the end result is the same. My point was that having one liturgy in the same language unites rather than divides.

Is the homily going to be in Latin, too?

@@lyingboi2350 My comments are very clearly about the Western Roman Rite since the title of the video has the words “Novus Ordo” in it. The discussion is about “clown masses” which again concerns the Novus Ordo or the Roman Rite. Absolutely no reason to bring in the Eastern Rites to this conversation because again….the video is about the abuses in the Novus Ordo which is found only in the…..yup….you guessed it…the Roman Rite.

OMGOOOOOOOOOSH!!!! He actually like my comment!!!!

I really like his videos even tho im orthodox Christian

There will always be awful things going on as long as priests and lay staff make up the Mass using any excuse to express themselves.

You are not alone and you are 100% correct in your revulsion. These abominations must be condemned, not the wishy washy crap in justification being espoused here. This is normally a good Priest but he is so far off the mark here, it just has to be said.

@@josephmaxwell5033 I don't see what you mean by "wishy washy crap in justification". Fr. Casey was explicit in saying "they [Clown Masses] fundamentally shift the focus of the Liturgy from reverence to entertainment and undermine unchangeable aspects of the Liturgy". In whatever context he provided, he is rejecting any justification of them.

@@John_Fisher in acceptance and tolerance of the Clown facade, justification in making people happy and feeling good, wishy washy crap!

@@josephmaxwell5033 Again, how is saying "they... undermine unchangeable aspects of the Liturgy" either accepting or even tolerating? "unchangeable" is not 'wishy washy', it's concrete and definitive.

Novus Ordo

@@kaypie3112 ty😁

@@tradmango You’re welcome. Have a blessed day!

Why specifically in Latin? If you want to attend a Mass in a language you don't understand, go to one of the ethnic Masses in Spanish, Lithuanian, Polish, German, etc.

Would rather have the TLM translated to English in its entirety vs attending the NO in Latin.

One universal Catholic apostolic church. I agree with some of what you say it’s important to remember why we must remain United in faith through the use of one form of the mass.

Cardinal Arinze said Africans should dance. Europeans should not. We are different.

@@TheBusttheboss I take it that you don’t understand what “one Holy Catholic and apostolic church” means then. I agree that people celebrate differently however, the mass should be the same wherever you go. Glory to God is not for debate. Ask the same question to the Muslin community and see if they incorporate dance in their mosques. Reverent prayer during mass is expected everywhere. After mass go party if you like.

@@blueknight5754 One People, different expression. If i get the oneness that you speak of, why should we party differently? At party time we are not One anymore? Jesus is God, but does He have the same role as the Father or the Holy Spirit? God created diversity and beauty and we want to show Him all of that. The African masses are not a big party, there is reverence or happiness according to the different parts of the liturgy . Very expressive but reverent. Who is to say every mass should be copied on medieval western culture? The first masses were probably in hebrew or aramaic, so maybe we should all go to these ones, not Latin.

@@TheBusttheboss exactly. God created diversity for z reason.

Part of your bias is that you were a child. The mass won't make much sense to a little kid, regardless of language. And the Vatican 2 changes to the mass was NOT just a translation from latin to English. They rewrote almost everything and got rid of 75% of the prayers

If your leaders cause you to sin or actually profess sin, you have no obligation to obey, period. You do not get to say, well Lord it was the Bishop or the Priest or even the Pope that said it was ok and better still, they said it would not be inclusive, if I didn’t provide my obedience. Grasp the nettle that is Synodality and put it all on the fire that will not be extinguished.

@@josephmaxwell5033 that’s not what this person is saying lol

Did you use your Missal? You may understand the prayers of the Modernist "Novus Ordo" but they are just 17% of the prayers that are in the Latin Mass

I agree wholeheartedly. I was an altar boy as well. I just memorized the Latin. The Latin mass was a big turn off in farming community and the vernacular was warmly welcomed. I do not want to go back for sure. The today mass can be said in Latin and bells etc can be used.

As a Catholic living in Germany, I've heard of the liturgical abuses you write about. It's not the norm - but it reflects a greater problem. I know of a priest who, last Sunday decided to let the congregation do everything except the words of consecration. He means well (I hope!), but it shows a underlying spiritual and theological error: that the priesthood of all the baptised is the same or similar to the consecrated priesthood. Yet as Fr. Casey rightly said: this is a topic for another video.

The book by Peter Kwasniewski, "The Once and Future Roman Rite", really goes into a lot of depth in examining what happened after Vatican II. Annibale Bugnini pursued his own agenda to "reform" the Latin Rite; he pretty much lied to St. Pope Paul VI and sold him a bill of goods. I think the Pope eventually realized that he had been deceived (he gave his "smoke of Satan in the tabernacle" homily in 1972) but thought the Novus Ordo Mass could be made to work. That Clown Masses were even conceived as a good idea, just goes to show that there was a weird giddiness in the Church at the time. I heard a lecture on You Tube by a Catholic priest in which he made the point that he likened some of the behavior within the Church as having PTSD from World War II.

Exactly. I don't want a liturgy that bows to the whims of local secular flavors

We come to the Church for instruction in the Catholic life and to pay reverence to The Holy Trinity. The Latin Mass is very reverent and it disciplines us. It's not Burger King where you can have it your way.

Squirtergun 😄🤗🌟⭐

I've had a completely opposing experience. Latin Mass (not the liturgy but the whole "culture" surrounding it) nearly drove me out of the church. I think you just rarely see and read about the negative experiences that people had with it because we never really talk/write about them....

@@Sisi-ep3wn I spent many years attending Latin masses periodically, can you tell me what negative experiences you have had?

@@ryanmumford5534 There are many. But the one that bothered me the most was that in every mass (i visited around 10 with three different priests until I gave up and went back to NO) the sermon was just horrible. The priest would start talking badly about the church, decisions that other priest or the vatican made. I think it is okay for a priest to criticizes the church but not during a mass. That is not appropriate. The last time I went he literally said that parents who love their child should include corporal punishment in their upbringing. He would also twist and turn the bible verses into the most horrible interpretation. It was just doom and gloom and a lot of judgement of everyone who didn't follow his really narrow definition of what a good catholic should do.

@@Sisi-ep3wn sorry to hear such gloomy from the pulpit. I know one priest who occasionally criticizes bishops out there, but not to your levels. Well, God bless you and may your spirtual life flourish.

That priest's Mass is not only invalid but blasphemous! If you have a good Bishop, for heaven's sake report him.

In Spanish language mass here in the US, people hold hands during the our father. It feels so awkward.

To me the Tridentine Mass has too much of what I think is unnecessary frou-frou. Also, I want to be able to understand the language of the Mass, unless I am visiting a foreign country. I am sure The Last Supper celebrated by Christ did not have fancy robes, sashes, chalices, etc. I am sure it was quite simple. There can be beauty in simplicity.

@@ulysse9471 "noble simplicity" is a catchphrase that was abused to get rid of anything and everything that was artistically pleasing to be replaced by actual garbage. I've seen chasubles made from everything ranging from pastel felt butterflies to an actual burlap sack with "shalom" and peace signs embroidered on it. Beautiful murals emblazened across countless parish church sanctuaries in the US were sloppily painted over with flat beige paint. The sanctuary furnishings that families in past generations spent months' worth of their annual income on, were torn out and thrown into dumpsters by their grandchildren. This kind of argument just comes across to others like "we shouldn't give God nice things" Also, "I want to understand the language of the Mass, unless I'm visiting a foreign country." What selfishness! You realize people from other countries can travel to you too, right? This only reinforces the idea that every parish should have a Latin liturgy. Heck, I don't even need to travel abroad to go to parishes with other cultures. Why not have Latin liturgies at the predominately Viatnamese parish in my city? Or Latin liturgies at the predominately Mexican parish just a few minutes' drive away?

@@CatholicSamurai - What you have described is a theatrical experience. Apparently you are looking for a theatrical experience and not worship.

@@ulysse9471 Oh definitely, I am absolutely looking for "theatrics" Just like my intellect needs to be encouraged to dwell on holy things (with good spiritual reading and daily scripture), so too my senses need to be encouraged to dwell on the things of God. And chances are, unless someone is a Carthusian monk who has dwelled in the inner depths of contemplation and can manage just fine with austere worship, they too need to have sights/smells/sounds/etc. that encourage their senses to dwell on divine realities. I'm glad I at least have the humility to realize that I am but a spiritual child, one of Jesus' "little ones" who can always use something tangible to remind me of what I'm experiencing when I'm at Mass. I'm grateful that you seem to have ascended beyond the need for anything like that! What a gift that must be!

​@@ulysse9471 they make little books with the English/Latin prayers side by side. How much fro-fro is too much for your King?

I have already heard about your city before because of the famous chess player who was born there :D

My beloved brother in Christ I am a traditionalist not because I believe my way is better than others. I am a traditionalist because I respect the tradition of the church. As Catholics we must show respect and a certain reverence to how sacraments are celebrated because it is tradition that has preserved so many of our beliefs. Vatican II was well intentioned but it has had a negative outcome. God bless you.

The tridentine rite WAS universal for latin Catholics and it worked very very very well for 500 years

@@MountainsBreath Then dear brother, you must learn more about the history of the liturgy and its tradition. You will find there are many things that are not so "traditional" in the tridentine rite, and those things were a revolution in response to protestantism. The best way to understand respect can take many forms (as father Casey mentionned) is by attending oriental rites: certain rites are even older then the tridentine rite, but the showing of respect is way more different than in the tridentine Mass. Cardinal Sarah even wrote, all the rites must inspire and nourish each other with the beautiful elements they countain. I was like you before. Vatican II bears a lot of fruit in Africa, Asia and Latin America. In Europe, because of the social crisis in the 60's during and following the council, people tend to accuse the new Mass, but is a fallacy. Catholicism is growing everywhere, despite persecution, except in the western world. How can the council and the new Mass be accused of catholicism regression in the West? Be Blessed friend.

@@DoctorDewgong No It was Not, even after the council of Trent. This rhetoric is purely false.

@@hervedavidh4117 so...what do you think latin rite Catholics were celebrating then? 😂

There doesn't appear to be any consistency. The main Novus Ordo Sunday Mass in our parish can contain extensive Latin or none, on a week-by-week basis with no obvious motivation for the difference.

​@@borderlands6606 the Ordinary of the mass should remain Latin imo

@@DoctorDewgong if we want to be traditional, surely Aramaic and Hebrew should be used for most of the prayers, and the Gospel be read in Greek. The homily makes most sense to remain in the Vernacular since each one is supposed to be an original piece based on the readings, and context of that Mass.

@@drewaskins8377 Sounds good to me

My personal opinion is that it is not the instrument or the musical style that is significant, but rather if it fits the local culture, is played reverently, fits the tone for the part of the Mass where it is used, and (if there is associated singing) that the words are words of praise specifically mentioning Our Lord, Our Father in Heaven, or the Holy Spirit. Your bagpipe gift to the parish is probably finished by now. I pray it went well for you, the celebrant, the congregation , and the confirmandees, @Liz Ledbitter. It sounds like playing your bagpipes for the confirmation Mass was a beautiful experience.

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There’s this thing called the great schism and rome is bearing the fruits of that with Vatican 2 as well as previous councils