New Seat Mii electric FULL REVIEW - going all the way EV - Autogefühl 

So it should be, at a car costing close on £20ooo here in the Uk. That kind of money gets you behind the wheel of a low mileage Fiesta ST, or even a brand new pre registered one. £20ooo is still far far too expensive.

That IS cheap

The Renault is a bit bigger and has a bigger battery= more range. But for a second/city car this is a great car to have.

@@mgammeren plus the renault you dont own the batteries

@@fachadolid3030 You can buy it with the batteries so you have a choice with Renault.

He said 18000, no?

thanks pal !

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You are partly right, but they did substantially increase the battery pack though!

tesla model s has also been around for ages and tesla keeps recycling its crap even in 2021

Thats because the base is :)

I checked the publish date ahead of watching this! Halogen lights...

@@autogefuehl ok so why would anyone buy an electric car with a 10 year old base? Electric cars should be innovative and exciting imo. And btw I own a seat

They wanted to cut costs at all.. costs. Also they probably couldn’t care less if this sells at all. Very hard to make a profit selling cheap electric cars.

But customers won't care a lot about it... as it's cheap and practical

best greetings!

cheesr !

Yes, the lack heat management and liquid cooling of the battery is most likely going to have some negative impact on longevity of the battery but it should actually be a bigger problem down the line in warm climates than in cold. It's typically overheating which causes excessive degradation of the battery. However, low temperatures will always decrease the present range no matter if the battery is new or near the end of its life. In other words a cold battery sucks if you need to drive far right now and very hot a battery will make it degrade faster and shorten your maximum range more in the future. It's also worth noting that a battery which is either too cold or too warm will have crippled fast charging capabilities so you might have to wait significantly longer for it to charge (using a fast charger) if the battery starts overheating or it's too cold. However, the battery will problably still last a good number of years and I agree that this car looks like great value if you need a little daily driver especially if you mainly drive in the city and mostly charge it at home. Just don't expect it to be suitable for longer motorway trips unless you have a lot of patience.

tak!

It's actually a very impressive price for the battery size. 70% more battery capacity than the old e-up (which will also be updated now) at a lower price! Do try both the hybrid and an electric car. There's nothing like driving a full electric car :)

This channel is viewed by people in the UK, Ireland, USA where we use feet and inches in general as opposed to metric for height. So please keep using imperial in addition to metric to be inclusive to everyone.

@@thomasjburns100 UK and Ireland have been metric for many years now (since the 1970's) and nobody in the USA is interested in a midget car like this.

@@thomasjburns100 *cough*.... excuse me.... I'm Irish... we use metric only. Don't lump us in with the UK.

Joshua Metzner no thermal management at all and no need cause the not-so-fast-fast-charge. Previous models (e up) never had an issue.

thanks! We usually try to use both metric and imperial system

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17800€ in Spain before government incentives which means you could buy it for around 14000€ .

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Yes good point !!

thanks, keep tuning in!

thanks for the feedback!

LED use less

they're marginally more efficient, but not enough to actually make any more than a mile of range difference.

nope

Why should it? First, check out what the leather industry is trying to do: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nP_CvLlaFlI.html Below this video you'll find more resources in the pinned comment to explain the topic even more in-depth.

Most people will use the car and plug in at home tbh

Only a limited 3yr warranty, not sure how you’d pay £10k, more like £15-16K

i'd say bullshit to that. this Mii costs 3 times as much as that Dacia, and you're assuming this Electric car will never need repairs or spare parts. i'd bet the Electric motor and battery in this are a lot more expensive to replace than the Engine and gearbox in the Dacia. and you'll have to go more often to the dealer to repair the Mii, since all that Tech means regular service shops might not be locked out by the manufacturer. you need to also factor in charging at home. if it's your first Electric car you'll have to install a transformer of some sort to be able to charge it in a sane amount of time. usually Electric cars take ages to charge from a normal Power outlet. even without that, fuel, Engine oil and regular maintanence won't end up costing twice the purchase price over lets say 10 years even. and if you want to trade it in after 5 years for the newer/better model, then you'll lose about half it's value at least. with the Dacia you'll lose 4-5000 euros but the mii will have cost you 13-14.000 just in depreciation. that alone is a lot of fuel and spare parts. just look at the price of a new nissan leaf and compare it to one that's 3-4 years old.

@@verliebt3465 In my calculations I took the cost of Sandero vs Mii over 200.000km. So most of their life. I assumed no repairs necessary on both cars, just maintenance parts like spark plugs, oil filters, timing belt and clutch for the Sandero. Given its complexity, it is easier to have repair bills on a combustion engine than in the electric. But I forgave that. The highest cost is gasoline. Well over the price of the vehicle for making those 200k kilometres. I didn't apply Government subsidies but those make the Mii even better. On selling the car in 5 years maybe you are right today about depreciation, but at some point in the next decade (maybe in 5 years) no one is going to want to buy a combustion car. Many cities will restrict combustion engines. So depreciation is also a high risk for a gasoline car given the shift that is coming.

@@cepaposible the sandero has a claimed WLTP fuel consumption of 6.6 liters/100km, so in real Life 7-8 liters, depending where you live would be as high as 21-24.000 euros(1,5 euros per liter) just in fuel. but you can get it as a diesel too in some countries. also depending where you live you might have to pay to charge the car, that would be much less than fossil fuel but would still cost. for the general maintenance spark plugs every 60.000 km or 100.000 if you buy premium ones, oil&filter depends also on your country since in some countries they reccomend changing oil + filter sooner than in other ones, for example on my old Mazda 2, in russia every 12.000km or 1 year while in sweden every 20.000 km or 1 year, whichever comes first, over 200.000 km that would vary greatly. timing belts are rather easy to change, takes a few minutes.and the belts themselves are not that expensive. the clutch if you're not carefull is a consumable part, like brake pads, some people can change those every year, others might make the whole 200.000km with the factoy one. the thing i don't know is how long is the battery pack in the mii supposed to last. there will be a degradation over time / mileage / charging cycles. you need to factor in the number of years you'd use the car for, not just distance. you can get free service for the first 3 years usually, or the warranty on some cars is not tied to the distance covered, only the age of the car. also much easier to keep going in a fossil fuel car that takes 5 minutes to "recharge" than having to wait 40-60 minutes at a charging Place. there is this guy called Bjørn Nyland, a norwegian youtuber who owns a tesla, it's his 3rd tesla i think and used the models S and X as delivery cars i suspect, and he managed 200.000km in like 3-4 years with each 1 of those i Think. anyway, he had a lot of problems with his teslas, so i'm not very Confident in the reliability of the Electric car in general. he's not the only tesla youtuber to have had big issues with his car. and the biggest drawback imo is that making the batteries is far from eco friendly. just look on RU-vid how they mine in africa the raw metals for the lithium batteries.

​ Verliebt Currently the price for the Mii is about 16000€ in practice. In many countries even less. For example in Paris it could be as low as 11000€.. Battery price is hard to predict but it has 8 years of warranty, more than you will get on your engine/gearbox combo in your Dacia. Electric motors are much simpler than fuel burning engines and very rarely fail. Nor do they degrade like "regular" engines. Actually lifetime expectancy is much longer than the lifetime of the car. And charging at home takes ages indeed, but you sleep usually for at least 7 hours so not really an issue. And in some countries (like in as stated in the video for Spain) the home charger is included in the price. Even then as you have min 7 hours to charge you don't really need it, and prices are about 1000€ installed which is not cheap but not horribly expensive either. Moreover you can still use it with your next electric car. And then there are things like fuel costs, electric cars are in general at less than a 1/3 of the price to run than a similar fuel car. Yearly car tax is lower or zero in some countries. Even if you would lose 10000€ on depreciation more than on the Dacia (which is unlikely as the Dacia will have a close to zero resale value in your 10 year examples) you will still make that back in maintenance fees, taxes and fuel costs. For example I changed my diesel car to electric. My fuel cost went from 160€/month to 16€. Yearly tax dropped by a whopping 800€. Maintenance is 100€ less a year, and car inspection fee is 35€ less per year too. That is ~222€/month or ~2663€/year. Insurance is cheaper also, and the government already announced a price hike for fossil fuels for next year. So even not taking that in account I would save close to 21500€ in running costs over 8 years before I would even have to worry to have to pay for a new battery. And 8 years from now my car probably will have some resale value still, unlike the Dacia. I am keeping my old car as back-up (thanks to a handy local thing as temporary unregistration) as already now I was not getting any useful trade-in value. For a Mii which has the same battery warranty a similar calculation might be true. And you would not have to worry about this growing trend of low emission or congestion zones in cities (which from an ecological standpoint are close to useless but a new popular way to tax people) with all their related costs that currently exempt electrical cars. So if we take your depreciation example and assume both cars can be sold at 3000€ in 8 years from now. And let's assume you have the absolute shittiest price for the Mii at 21000€. And no big repair bills of either car, assuming the are both wonderfully reliable. You lose 5000€ deprecation on the Dacia, and 18000€ on the Mii. However you saved 21500€ in running costs. So you're still 3500€ better of with the Mii. A more likely scenario however is that you get your Mii at 17000€, your resale value is about 4000€ 8 years from now, the Dacia's resale ~1000€. Then we're looking at 7000€ depreciation on the Dacia, 13000€ on the Mii and 8500€ savings or a whole new Sandero in that period. I know why I did what I did. And yes there are lots of issues with Teslas. As Tesla makes imho horribly bad cars (with fantastic drivetrains though), and cannot be taken as a benchmark for reliability. But however, none of the usual Tesla issues are battery, engine or drivetrain related. The Leaf for example is about the most reliable car you can get (although there have been a few issues with the first gen batteries in hot climates). But in general the electrical cars on the market have been proven to be more reliable than their fuel burning siblings. And battery production is not so ecofriendly indeed. Recycling and reuse however is starting to pick up and improves the situation. In general there is still a environmental benefit to electrical cars, however I will admit it is not the miracle that it is often touted it is in the media and by "green" politicians.

@@fintrollpgr Good and thorough analysis. Thanks!

same as tesla model S

Which country ?

@@hervelouon5516 Finland. The local SEAT only ordered 250, they were sold in less than a week when the news of their reduced price (16k with their and the goverments subsidies) was announced. They told me they doubt they can get any more of these ever since the model was discontinued.

It's going to be around double anywhere, that's the initial price you pay to get into electric at the moment.

Yes, it is more expensive, but it will be cheaper to run and have cheaper maintenance.

Wait for a second hand one

Are you serious?

@@hervelouon5516 Some EV conversion companies retrofit classic cars. They might do a petrol Mii since there's a production electric Mii to model it on. It wouldn't be as well finished as the real electric Mii but it would be a lot cheaper

@@TheDuvee6 actually EV converstion is probably going to cost a lot more than you might think. It would be cheaper to sell his current car and purchase a new electric one

260 km or 160 miles is actually quite decent for a car of that size

True but I drive with my job if they ever hybrid it I buy it tomorrow. 350 miles a day sometimes.

@@autogefuehl Indeed. This is made as either a second car, or a city car. I highly doubt my mother, for example, has done more than 200km in a single trip with her car.

Das Paket ist schon gut mit Preis und Reichweite. Neue Scheinwerfer hätte man aber wirklich spendieren können.

@@autogefuehl 20.000 ist schon OK. Zumal der Akku dazu gehört. Aber LED Scheinwerfer und etwas moderneres Design wäre schon schön gewesen.

@@autogefuehl schließlich ist der Mii schon 7 Jahre alt, und das sieht man leider.

AlfonsoDriver they will be the friendliest because small battery

Literally what a Ford dealer told me when I asked about the Ka+ 2 months ago..

@@LouRaX if a small car with 30kwh does 30,000 km in its life then it's still worse off than a model 3/id3 doing 100,000+ on a 50/70kwh battery Electric cars win big by doing many km because that's where you save a lot on gas

@@EngineeringNibbles What kind of 30kwh car can only do 30,000km in its lifetime? There are 24kwh LEAFs with 150,000+ km easy.

as soon as we can get one :)

Autogefühl Do you have any clue? :)

15000 Euros is "almost free"? Interesting.

Jan B. Because being electric car doesnt add almost any extra costs. If i spent 400eur per month to petrol per month, then this car 200e/kk leasing + electric cost is almost nothing

@@UniversalControl well to us finns 15k is almost free

The electric version is more than that. About 23 500 euros after taxes in Finland.

@@thunderbolt4741 no its not, first 250 pieces its about 15000e because goverment and seat gives some extra discounts

No, as a matter of fact it's (almost) exactly like Škoda's CITIGO ͤ iV...

They were going to be ended, but then VW realized that the replacement (ID.1?) won't be ready until at least 2023. Thus, the triplets (Mii, Citigo & Up) have been resurrected to fill the gap.

So is tesla keeping the antique model s and putting new motors in it, except the model S costs nearly 10 times more.

Warren Buffet drives an average priced car.

@@savedfaves not everyone is Warren Buffet. And i would not call 2014 Cadillac XTS and average car since its classed as luxury car. How did you choose Warren car for you example because its pretty far of from poor looking car.

I have this car and is very quiet. Lots of plastics indeed but very well put together. This car delivers what it promises, and with government subsidies it costed me under 14k€ which I think is a very good deal.

Really? How? In Finland it's 18 000€. Would have thought that Sweden would have similar prices

@@santerixdxd :o

same as tesla model S

The car is from 2010 and they´ve recycled the design for electric. If they went for new fashionable car then you have the Honda E for €33k.

Gidas G. It’s not only that LED lights are brighter but they are also more energy efficient and don’t burn out like halogens tend to do. So it is more convenient for the owner when they don’t have to be replacing the lights every now and then.

wow! How does that work?

@@autogefuehl This price specifically applies to the Škoda Citigo since the Mii is slightly cheaper. High-end Style trim costs €22870. State electric car incentive: €6000 but limited to 27% of the car's price, so only €5832 for the base model. State old car scrappage scheme: €2500, increased to €5000 for poorer households under specific conditions. Case of Grand Paris area: electric car incentive for the scrappage of an old car: €6000. That's up to €6000 + 5000 + 6000 of incentives for the high-end trim! But poor households can hardly afford that anyway, and thir priority is not to buy a very small car with a very small range and slow charging - because it's their only car and most have to be able to travel longer distances and transport some luggage and people. It seems in some parts of Italia, by cumulating state, regional and local incentives, you can also reach a price close to €6000.

I know right.

He pointed out both

You forget some added costs that combustion cars have: - More maintenance costs (especially if it´s diesel, they´re the worst). - Petrol costs, it´s around 10 to 15 times higher than electric. You may be saving €50 to €100 per month. - Tax exemptions for these cars as the combustion ones don´t have, and probably will go up for the latter in the future. - Permits to park for free in most cities, while combustion ones are receiving all the prohibitions they deserve. London for example. If you buy this car it´s because you want an urban, and for urban traffic the electric is up to 20 times cheaper on comsuption than ICE cars. An urban ICE car is going to be around €12 to €15k, only €5 less than this. In 3 to 5 years time the electric has paid by itself.

This hatred makes me enjoy driving with my old downpiped diesel Merc that blows out powersmoke at electric car fanboys

It's not "new" tech. This is literally the 2012 VW e-Up with a bigger battery and a SEAT badge.

Why redesign what works?

Just like tesla does on its 100000 Euro model S? at least Skoda has the excuse of offering the cheapest electric car ever on the market because it keeps costs down.

@@tomfu6210 well then they all should've stopped developing cars in the 80s.

@@paname514 all of them - skoda, vw and seat itself, have much better looking cars already developed (for a while now), so why would you pick the ugliest/oldest looking one to be their first electric representative?

Brian very well presented the pros and cons of this car as usual. This car will have the best ratio of price/range of all standard manufacturers

Safety wise?! Sorry, but you are easy to hype, aren't you?

Tom Fu definitely not. I drive a lot and there's an enormous difference on the visual between halogen and xenon or led lights. It means you have a tremendous bigger viewing filed, you detect way better obstacles and also the eyes get tired way less. I'm surprised why in 2020 there's still no regulation to ban halogen lamps from new car. It could be somewhat ok if you drive only in very lit places, but still the difference is big anyway and the manufacturer shouldn't save on aspects related to the safety

@@ioblings It is a personal preference. Not mentioning issues of LED lamps like it dazzle drivers in upstream. Sometimes it is quite dangerous to drive against those cars.

@@tomfu6210 it's not a personal preference, the more and better you can see the better you can drive safely and avoid accidents. And xenon/led lamp are objectively and scientifically better, they made more light, more homogenous, deeper and wider and also the color is more natural and therefore the eyes work better. The dazzle on the drivers upstream happens only on bumps, which is the same that can happen on halogen lamps but simply is less noticeable because the make less light. On the other hand is way easier to come across cars with halogen lamps installed in the wrong way or with the beam set on the wrong height, and this is way more annoying since the blind every other driver they meet, not only on bumps. And not let's even start talking about matrix led because they're completely on another level, but this is a relatively recent technology and I get that it may be too expensive, but xenon or standard led are now quite cheap solutions for the manufacturers, especially if we consider the price the prices they're selling even small City cars nowadays, therefore they should be mandatory without any excuses (and luckily many have started installing them as standard even on small cars)

so does the tesla model s at 100000+ Euro

If most are flat dwellers that's exactly why they would. Because there's not that many people that can take advantage of the offer so it's cheaper for the company while getting good optics.