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Nike Zoom Fly 4 One oz reduction Challenge 

Seth James DeMoor
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@DanielSmith-mn5wl
@DanielSmith-mn5wl 2 года назад
Absolutely love the “Run Today” idea, Seth!! Seeing your daily runs, and the routine surrounding it, is so helpful and inspirational for my own training. I’m sure many other viewers agree!
@SethJamesDeMoor
@SethJamesDeMoor 2 года назад
COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!
@phildevon4093
@phildevon4093 2 года назад
By trying to reduce the weight of the show I feel like you are completely missing the point of the shoe. The Zoom Fly line up is not suppose to be a supper lightweight racing shoe, instead it is a more affordable and durable shoe for those who wish to either use it for training or as a racing shoe that will last longer than other offerings from Nike. Furthermore, there are feature of the shoe that might have no use to you, for example the loop on the heel, but could be useful to other users, such as those who have a hard time putting their shoes on or the many triathletes who use this shoe who need to put the shoe on fast. By adding the loop they are adding very little weight to the shoe which will in no way make you slower, but are making the shoe more accessible. This is not the first time I feel like you are so focused on your own point of view and fail to realise that perhaps the shoe designers at Nike and other companies, who spend 1000s of hours and come up with many different designs, might know more about what their target market wants and what makes a successful shoe than you, who doesn't run more than 50 miles in a shoe before you never touch them again.
@gregprevite8548
@gregprevite8548 2 года назад
Couldn’t agree more.
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 2 года назад
Word!
@DadVenturesNature
@DadVenturesNature 2 года назад
There’s definitely some value in this experiment, and I hope that Nike is looking into this too. I do like the additional weight for a training shoe so that putting on the VaporFly feels that much more special. I don’t think Nike is necessarily thinking of it that way, and just making different shoes so they can sell all the things to all the people. Still, I feel like I personally get some piece of mind and maybe a little confidence boost when I run in the Zoom Fly 4 knowing that the extra weight is holding me back a little. Then when I slide on the VaporFly’s for race day, I feel like I’m going to float off the start line. Love that feeling!
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 2 года назад
This!
@barrybenkendorf672
@barrybenkendorf672 2 года назад
Plain and simple: the Zoom Fly 4 is a daily trainer for racing with the Vaporfly Next%. Similar carbon plate, similar biomechanics, same drop. The Zoom Fly 4 is perfection (at least I expect them to be beyond perfection since they are said to be an improvement over the ZF3, which I have 2 pairs, and they are already perfection). Durability: I have run over 1500miles on my first pair of Zoom Fly 3s and they are still perfect! At least the foam and upper is in perfect condition. Mind blown. The outsold still has rubber and only worn down on the high wear areas. I use my first pair mostly for trail running now since the outsole is mostly worn and my 2nd pair for road running only. Incredible shoes. It'll be probably another year until my ZF3s wear and I can try out the ZF4.
@jeffe.3453
@jeffe.3453 2 года назад
My thoughts exactly with how I’ll be training in the zoom fly 4s then switching over to a lighter shoe like the vapor fly in race day. Weight and stamina training for the legs!
@andrewpalmblade8646
@andrewpalmblade8646 2 года назад
I bet if you got a Dremel with some different shaped bits and sanders you could do some much cleaner and more detailed work. You could sand away parts of the midsole flare, create more flex grooves in the outsole of the forefoot and also dig out a decoupled groove. Definitely wear an N95 and do it outside... probably wouldn't want to breathe in the dust. This is a cool idea and I'd be interested to see what it would be like on other shoes. Especially ones with a lot of outsole coverage.
@ChrisSee
@ChrisSee 2 года назад
I started to write about getting a Dremel and you already nailed it! Sounds like a fun experiment.
@Jespeppers
@Jespeppers 2 года назад
Indeed what I was thinking. Although I appreciate the try, it's painful to watch
@latexgeneration
@latexgeneration 2 года назад
I agree on the Dremel. It will do the job easily and cut though the sole, dare I say, like butter.
@mikecampbell8060
@mikecampbell8060 2 года назад
Hey Seth, I think this is a cool idea! Check out oscillating multi-tools. They are versatile tools and could help with cutting foam or rubber more easily. For your shoe teardown videos, I was thinking it would be interesting to see the weight of the different components of the shoes, if you were able to separate out the upper, midsole, outsole and weigh each part.
@Elmo6855
@Elmo6855 2 года назад
Was just going to say, multi-tool. At every big box store, inexpensive, super versatile and much safer than a razor blade under pressure.
@chadlawless8870
@chadlawless8870 2 года назад
Killing me with the head lamp when the sun is up.....
@Deadbuck73
@Deadbuck73 2 года назад
You need a dremel tool with some grinders and cutting wheels… there are also wire foam cutters that model railroaders use to heat and cut through foam… sharp sharp sharp razor blades are a must too… just be careful not to let too much blood 🩸!
@IT_Farhan
@IT_Farhan 2 года назад
Dremels will pretty much do anything!
@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907
@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907 2 года назад
I also love the "Run Today" spot. Reminds me of keeping track of my own. I can proudly say I have not missed a single running workout in a year!!! I am very disciplined and I am sure it will pay off on my 1st marathon in Los Angeles on March 20th. Sidenote: I have splurged on myself and sent off for the ASICS Metaspeed "Tokyo" Sky and am hoping this will work for me as my 1st marathon shoe. I think for me this shoe will work better than the Nike's. My fall back can always be my Saucony Endorphin Speed version 1's or even the Skechers Speed Freek and I will be testing the feel of them all. Have a feeling the Metaspeed Sky will prevail in the end as long as I don't feel the stiffness of the carbon plate will beat me up as a novice.
@simonkarlssonholmer244
@simonkarlssonholmer244 2 года назад
You are truly my biggest inspiration, managing your training and at the same time your managing your family like that, just awesome, love your videos man, keep it up💯💯
@GotDamBoi
@GotDamBoi 2 года назад
I would love to put 1000 miles on my running shoes but I generally start to notice issues before I even get to 400 miles regardless of brand. The cushion starts to go and the shin splints return with vengeance
@marcuslockhart4610
@marcuslockhart4610 2 года назад
Seth have you checked out the "energy arc" from the upcoming New Balance SC Elite (2022) ? Not sure if that counts as a decoupled groove but it looks to be similar.
@QronoZ713
@QronoZ713 2 года назад
If you could remove the outsole completly and then cut it up into the pieces you want and then re attach?
@timobrien256
@timobrien256 2 года назад
One of my running friends, Ron Daws, use to cut weight off his racing shoes back in the 60s and 70s…..fun to see you try it.
@GabrielMiranda-dr7yf
@GabrielMiranda-dr7yf 2 года назад
QD: I have a track meet that I’m really exited about because I feel in really good shape not only physically but mentally. I’ll be running the 800m and the 1500m hoping to pr in both events and bring some medals home.
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 2 года назад
From someone who thinks the Zoom Fly 4 is the most perfect shoe (for fast long runs/racing) including the pull tabs, this hurts to watch.
@miquelvp
@miquelvp 2 года назад
what abou 4oz challenge with ultraboost 21?
@cooperbahr748
@cooperbahr748 2 года назад
Anyone else here have persistent shin splints? I've been fighting it off and on for 2 months now. What should I do besides ice?
@rileybrutvan416
@rileybrutvan416 2 года назад
QOD: Tomorrow (Saturday) I'll be racing my first collegiate indoor track race, which will be a 5k. I was set back by injury and illness during the cross country season in the fall so I am excited to see what the results will be now that I am feeling better than stronger! Hoping to beat my PR of 15:33.
@Pietrotherunningfarmer
@Pietrotherunningfarmer 2 года назад
When in the cover of the video you see that tool in Seth's hands you know "tear down mode is on" and you'll have great fun!
@LilMacXC
@LilMacXC 2 года назад
I just bought some amazing DGR Merch and It got delivered to my house today! Great Quality and looks great!
@ChristianRunsNY
@ChristianRunsNY 2 года назад
Racing in NYC's Central Park this weekend for 15k. First race since NYC Marathon and first "shorter" race in so long!
@runningwithstelvio
@runningwithstelvio 2 года назад
Just tested few weeks ago, pity that they are on the heavy side... Vertical oscillation ratio and Ground contact time in average are quite good!
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 Год назад
Every time I do a marathon workout I'm surprised by how good the numbers are.
@heavyrunnerweightlifter4392
@heavyrunnerweightlifter4392 2 года назад
Your face looks a little fuller here. Looking healthy Seth. 🙂
@roustabout4fun
@roustabout4fun 2 года назад
May I say...seeing some sweet shoes coming out...Impressed with the Pulsar Trail and Altra BOA The BOA shoe color goes perfectly with your cap. Off subject but just saw the manufacturers coming out this morning.... Good additional reason to keep movin and staying fit.
@hanrik27
@hanrik27 2 года назад
I used to wear fly3 and it left a good impression on me at the beginning, but after wearing it for a period of time, the midsole became unelastic. React is a very ordinary material
@dannyj1983
@dannyj1983 2 года назад
Good morning, DGR. We're back on that 4am wake up train. It's time to build; let's get to work.
@user-og8lc4be6l
@user-og8lc4be6l Год назад
Between this and salomon phantasm and new balance rebel v2 for fast marathon pace 4 and fast long runs-tempo?
@willjenkins7548
@willjenkins7548 2 года назад
I am racing my first marathon this weekend! A little nervous…plan to shoot around 3:15 any tips?
@daddycubjudah
@daddycubjudah 2 года назад
This definitely hit home the importance of dropping a few lbs as a runner!
@jasonlenentine4636
@jasonlenentine4636 2 года назад
Get a Dremel tool and some attachments and that may work better on that outsole. If you do wear a mask as you probably don’t want to inhale Nike dust!
@Dogwalkerdave
@Dogwalkerdave 2 года назад
It would be a version of drinking Nike Koolaid 😆
@theketorunner2570
@theketorunner2570 2 года назад
Looking at a Race on 12/18 a loop course half marathon if the weather holds out. How about a hot knife of some kind the smoothly remove that rubber and foam?
@domasss666
@domasss666 2 года назад
God damn, you look like have gained some weight. How does your body weight change during the year? And what is the optimal BMI for you or other runners? What's the impact?
@mrjgrant7583
@mrjgrant7583 2 года назад
I think your tampering with the Zoom fly 4 is a sneaky way of turning it into a Mizuno shoe with that d.coupled grove.
@drewsome007
@drewsome007 2 года назад
I am considering buying the zoom fly 4 as my next shoe so seeing you cut into the midsole like that really hurt, and especially after soo little weight was reduced. It really shows how the midsole is such a small fraction of the total weight. I feel like the upper is probably heavy due to the “dual layer” nature of it.
@gabebr08
@gabebr08 2 года назад
🚨🚨QD- Tomorrow (Saturday) I am running my first race- 7k in São Paulo, Brazil 🇧🇷!Anxious to hit the streets but feeling extremely ready! A lot of hard work has gone into the training! Thanks for inspiring and your daily encouragment! 🚨🚨
@CSWells-uq4jx
@CSWells-uq4jx 2 года назад
I always get hole’s in my upper after like 200 miles :/ The soles still have life left. Any tricks to patch these and maybe get some extra miles out of the shoes?
@that_which_is_not
@that_which_is_not 2 года назад
I use tent repair tape, you have to place a little square of it carefully inside the shoe with all the laces out so you can fit your hand and the tape in there. Tricky with gusseted tongue’s. Hope that helps 👍
@johnnyyymaldonado556
@johnnyyymaldonado556 2 года назад
I’m racing this weekend but I have a 2 mile on an indoor track next weekend😄
@tsubakichan
@tsubakichan 2 года назад
QD: CIM Marathon Relay 1st Leg (13.4mi)
@matthewledvina8323
@matthewledvina8323 2 года назад
If you don’t like the shoe why not donate them instead of mutilate them? I’m not sure I like the idea of destroying shoes that could go to someone else.
@backyard1015
@backyard1015 2 года назад
Happy Friday!!!
@kikii1
@kikii1 2 года назад
Seth you just need a grinder and a flap wheel. You can then gently sand it down if you are careful.
@joelscragg2259
@joelscragg2259 2 года назад
Hey Seth. Try a traditional spoon carving tool. You can really scoop out the midsole with one of those!
@Ghimlioak
@Ghimlioak 2 года назад
QD : I'm running a trail close to Paris 42km with 2000 meters elevation. My last official run with a bib of 2021. After 2 weeks off and then a new cycle of training
@pacakeceperocck
@pacakeceperocck 2 года назад
living in tropical asian country double mesh engineering upper always make my feet hot, i cut my old glycerin 17 inner mesh upper and it increases breathability almost 90%, i can see my sock color thru the mesh, the major down is hard to get good lockdown, but i only do recovery run in that shoe, so its ok for me
@petermuller6903
@petermuller6903 2 года назад
I put a thumb up but am not pleased with these disections. Doesn't make any sense for me. Accept how it is and donate the shoe! GREETINGS FROM SALZBURG/AUSTRIA!!!
@ezeddie9747
@ezeddie9747 2 года назад
A dremmel tool would work well. Length of shoe laces. Or change them all together
@RunningOtaku
@RunningOtaku 2 года назад
Idea- drill a bunch of holes in the midsole to excavate some of the foam. It might make the shoe both lighter and more flexible. 🤔
@IT_Farhan
@IT_Farhan 2 года назад
Best idea so far!
@that_which_is_not
@that_which_is_not 2 года назад
More of this madness please! 🤪
@davidgross7972
@davidgross7972 2 года назад
I am doing the local 5k Santa Shuffle tomorrow, which I try to do every year in support of The Salvation Army helping the homeless and hungry. It is on a rail trail so mostly dirt path and possibly some snow, along with a dip for a creek crossing and general uphill on the way out. Unfortunately it is virtual again this year the same as last year, so not as much fun to see families and young kids doing the 1k race. Still, last year I managed to pull of a 5k PB so hope to do it again this year!
@owenschroeder7041
@owenschroeder7041 2 года назад
I wouldn't use heat, it might ruin the midsole durometer. Maybe using a Dremel to carve out sections would be your best bet. Awesome video though!
@jmw1409
@jmw1409 2 года назад
QD: Cloudland Canyon 50K w/ 5200ft vert…On the hunt for a 50K PR! Thanks to you Seth I’m on my 3rd non-injury training block. Loving it! 🙏
@michaelbfree2run883
@michaelbfree2run883 2 года назад
not running, but USATF club XC on Dec 11th, should be exciting for the age groupers!
@epexusJeffryDalisay
@epexusJeffryDalisay 2 года назад
Seth you need a drill and use the sandpaper. Also remove the foam on the heels
@elijahmodnar1
@elijahmodnar1 2 года назад
drill holes in heel/midfoot
@soriano_runs1131
@soriano_runs1131 2 года назад
QD: Tucson Marathon this Saturday!!!! Downhill course of a net loss of around 1800ft I believe??? Give me a like or comment if your running the Tucson Marathon with me!!!! LETS GOOO!!!!
@ryancorm
@ryancorm 2 года назад
Buy a dremel and use all the attachments to shave or grind off weight on the shoes
@chadsunboxings4749
@chadsunboxings4749 2 года назад
QD: Mistletoe Half Marathon in Winston-Salem, NC. Goal is sub 1:30, stretch is 1:28, and the real icing on the cake would be top 3 age group. Woohoo! Thanks Seth!
@chasernopacer
@chasernopacer 2 года назад
For the “Today’s Run” idea, have you played around with RU-vid Shorts at all? I, personally, would love to scroll through short vids of various runs, where individuals give brief descriptions, thoughts, paces, etc. That would be my kind TikTok!
@toddboucher3302
@toddboucher3302 2 года назад
Never looked at the insole this closely but it looks thick. Cut an inch off and slap some rubber on.
@janetduback5161
@janetduback5161 2 года назад
Seth the US Olympic 2024 Standards are out. 2:18:00 / 63:00 for men’s.
@swenderich
@swenderich 2 года назад
QD: yes! A hilly trail race in The Ardennes, Belgium. 45 km with close to 2000m of vertical gain. It’ll be cold, wet and snowfall is predicted. It’s going to be amazing!
@AbleHammer
@AbleHammer 2 года назад
Panama City Beach 1/2. Pavement and flat along the beach. I get up in 5 hours to get ready. Weather looks good 👍. Should be fun! It’s not an A race just fun to be out with all the energy and vitality!
@ColinMcRaeVIT
@ColinMcRaeVIT 2 года назад
SUGGESTION: I just watched a video from RU-vid shoe reviewer Brendan Camm about the Nike invincible after 200 miles. It looks like that you didn’t hold up very well. Made me think, maybe for some of the most popular shoes you could do a two or 300 mile update to confirm the predictions or something?
@IT_Farhan
@IT_Farhan 2 года назад
Do you think Nike intentionally kept it heavier to not encroach on Vapor sales? They could have just taken off 8mm of stack and made it into a 5k/10k "flat". Now it just ends up looking like a budget version of the Next %...
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 2 года назад
I think this is a good question. But for what I’m hearing is that it’s supposed to be a better trainer for the VaporFly. Which makes a lot of sense when you look at the upper improvements and compare to the VF%2. But for heavier folks, the ZF4 is STILL a fast shoe (I know from experience, it beat the speed which is too unstable for me). As another commenter said a bit more harshly, Nike had to know what they were doing for who they were doing it for when they made this shoe. And some of us absolutely love it.
@Mike-is9gd
@Mike-is9gd 2 года назад
Seth needs a rotary tool and hacksaw to attack those shoes better!
@rizzlion
@rizzlion 2 года назад
I find it a little funny that the toolbox was labeled tools :)
@sharikkhan7096
@sharikkhan7096 2 года назад
Can I buy your used shoes
@BrianLizard
@BrianLizard 2 года назад
QD: Cyclocross bike racing this weekend (2 days)! Great way to stay motivated during the "off season."
@jamesd5241
@jamesd5241 2 года назад
LOVE THS IDEA DO WITH OTHER SHOES
@dbk81
@dbk81 2 года назад
Love this idea
@laralewis135
@laralewis135 2 года назад
The shoe designers at Nike are cringing watching this! Love it! 😂 One ounce does seem like a lot of weight to remove just by shaving /cuttung the midsole and removing some extraneous pieces on the upper though.
@eligordon5611
@eligordon5611 2 года назад
QD: Rehoboth Seashore Marathon (Delaware). Racing the full- mostly asphalt 🛣, some boardwalk 🪵, as well as some crushed gravel pathways! Pretty flat course, 360 ft of elevation gain over 26.2 mi 👌👌 Looking to beat my PR set this past spring in Salisbury MD, 2:58:02. Had some setbacks in training dealing with Plantar Fasciitis; but utilized some therapy techniques in your prior videos, and I’m optimistic it’s under control (enough) to run away with a PR tomorrow. Whether or not I achieve a PR, I’ve enjoyed the training cycle -managing to build some fitness in spite of the PF, and I’m blessed to be making family memories on a long weekend vacation with MY true love & 3 kids (& in-laws)! And if you’re like 99%+ of us not on the top of the podium winning prize money, that’s what it’s all about 🙂
@Roberto_Reefer
@Roberto_Reefer 2 года назад
Yes, road 21km :-)
@cuddles1140
@cuddles1140 2 года назад
U would need a small grinder , Drexel kit possible a table with vice and some safety gear - here comes Seth the running show hot rodder 🔥 SJDR CUSTOM running shoes 🙏🏽👍🏽
@robbristle5642
@robbristle5642 2 года назад
28.35 grams per oz.
@MiracleWarriors
@MiracleWarriors 2 года назад
Don't go get injured running with these modified shoes ! Just not worth the high risks.
@mvzinn111
@mvzinn111 2 года назад
Technical trail, Virginia, 10 miles
@saunadude8082
@saunadude8082 2 года назад
I stg the obsession of weight regarding running shoes is getting out of hand lmao. It seems so petty when 99% of the ppl could put the fork down for a day and lose that 20 grams that seems to be a deal breaker in some shoes. Or do the training and strenght work. Ppl spend hundreds and hundreds for a new lighter model but dont take the time to do 2 30 min sessions of heavy squats for example. Ive called myself out for this problem and could nowdays care less what the scale says as long as the shoe rides well enough. My 2 cents no one asked for :)
@johnlopez3189
@johnlopez3189 2 года назад
Good morning!
@thegoods9317
@thegoods9317 2 года назад
Grab some cutstop Kevlar gloves while you’re at the hadware store. 😬
@eligordon5611
@eligordon5611 2 года назад
Was thinking the same! Those stunts can end in the Emergency Room real quick. Be safe!
@nberkel
@nberkel 2 года назад
Cool idea, but I think you should be more realistic with weight reduction experiments. You were essentially trying to remove 1/8 of the shoe. I'd say aiming for 100g would be a more realistic target for that shoe 🤷‍♂️
@benwhittemore3353
@benwhittemore3353 2 года назад
You need a dremel tool. And safety glasses!
@Shevock
@Shevock 2 года назад
Cool different video.
@gunaseelanm3479
@gunaseelanm3479 2 года назад
looks like seth have gain some weight
@shawnrobinson5610
@shawnrobinson5610 2 года назад
Seth James ‘’Mad Scientist’ DeMoor
@ethanshea6260
@ethanshea6260 2 года назад
QD: No races! Just base building and a not-so-long long run.
@iefybwkeyf.kbjfy.9870
@iefybwkeyf.kbjfy.9870 2 года назад
A dremmel would definitely help
@Tula1978tula
@Tula1978tula 2 года назад
Hola Seth, If you are going to take away weight, please use Grams, since the measurement is more scientific (or at least show on-screen equivalents) Many people on your audience will be pleased!
@sethepley
@sethepley 2 года назад
100 miler, gravel, flat
@paddywiggle
@paddywiggle 2 года назад
Zoomfly 5 will have ZoomX and will be much lighter. Do not worry Seth
@ptlewis2000
@ptlewis2000 2 года назад
Haha! I hope not. React is great for training and durability. Zoom X is great for racing (even I am dusting off my VaporFly 2 after getting back to health with ZF4) but not durability for most runners. But who knows! 😃
@JorgeMartinez-qm2tc
@JorgeMartinez-qm2tc 2 года назад
No mames....el tipico exceso Americano...someone can translate?
@zachwillmer3987
@zachwillmer3987 2 года назад
Dont spoil the beauty of the shoes😥😥😥
@jacksonklee
@jacksonklee 2 года назад
All time 1!
@RunAllTheMiles
@RunAllTheMiles 2 года назад
Qd:- no.
@mvzinn111
@mvzinn111 2 года назад
Buy a Dremel tool.
@alexanderfisher8270
@alexanderfisher8270 2 года назад
whoo!
@swenderich
@swenderich 2 года назад
This experiment made me laugh (in a good way) and reminded me of cyclists taking drills to all parts of their bikes to reduce the weight 😊
@harveydean7952
@harveydean7952 2 года назад
Er, I'd say there's zero value in this experiment. Visually the results are the running shoe equivalent of when as a kid you foolishly decide it might be a neat idea to cut your own hair...
@cakej1
@cakej1 2 года назад
Cool.
@ronandraveche2372
@ronandraveche2372 2 года назад
Wow
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