I'm Native American, and now I feel represented, validated, all my problems are gone and theres peace on earth- is how Disney thinks I should feel for producing Echo. Truth is, I don't care if a character looks like me, or is vaguely similar to me, I just want good stories, engaging characters with growth and well choreographed fight scenes. Things Echo lacks.
Gotta love that a girl that looks like she couldn't run a mile nor has ever lifted a single weight can actually put up a fight against Charlie Cox's Daredevil.
She was trained under him to be an assassin, she learned to fight when she was like 8, and kept getting better. She had more of a will to be a good fighter because she didnt wanna be scared anymore, she could be manipulated like Hawkeye said. After feeling helpless when she feels responsible for her mom's death, she only wanted to be like her dad bc her grandma disowned them since she blames Maya's dad for her daughter's death.
@@RamiroBelmaresJr They should have stuck with that. Whats with the power up and she leaving NewYork to meet with a family she haven't seen for 20 years and what do you mean by scared of kingpin, she shot that fcker in the eye because ronni and Kate bishop told her to be her own boss, if she was scared of kingpin she won't have even have the mind to do that shit. And I still dont understand what her family was doing in a war that should have been fought in New York and why the hell was kingpin valuable goods in her family land possession.
@@RamiroBelmaresJr The fact that you think her being trained to fight negates everything said about the show just goes to show how stupid the people who enjoy this garbage are. Not only that, but your comment doesn't address the point of OPs comment in any way, whatsoever.
It's actually impressive how in a relatively short amount of time since the peak of the MCU, Disney has managed to create a TV show that is enjoyable to watch for literally nobody.
Well there was me, a metric ton of alumni of Seattle Indian Heritage School (which includes my very white son), all the native kids and alums of Red Eagle Soaring, native Preforming Arts program. And a ton more. My question is did YOU watch it with an open mind or just jump on the Woke Disney sucks Train?
"Oh, no! We couldn't possibly suggest that a woman who has to be an ultimate fighter, and battles badguys every day be totally fit!! Nor can we cater to male audiences by not sometimes casting the average Walmart shopper! That would hurt feeeeeeeelings!!!!!!!!"
Not just female Superheroes,Female Characters in general I miss bring beautiful and feminine in the West they r ugly and look like men. At least Japan is still making Fictional Women beautiful.
Yeah it's like Holywood forgets that sex sales. Sure I always believe that talent should be more rewarded than just looks but if you play a superhero you gotta look the part. This Echo actor looks way too chobby and her fecial expressions kills any likebility this character might has.
The Korean drama My Name is lead by a female actress on her quest to revenge her father's murder. In that show, she doesn't overpowered anyone but uses her agility, quickness, brutality, and skills to take down men bigger than her. The actress herself has a lean and ripped body which fits the character she plays
H shoot I never finished that show cuz I got busy, but I remember really enjoying it cuz Han So Hee really sold that character. Her character is also very stoic, but they still managed to give her moments of vulnerability that really worked well.
Unlikeable? Her Granny and granddad are super cool. Biscuits BUILT the monster truck he used in 5 to replace grannies truck. He is a wonderful dipstick!
@@toniotrussardi8126 I reserve the right to NOT agree with folks in matters of art and music. In particular when so many are NOT analyzing the material on a level much higher than "She don't look hat enough to kick my fave bad guys butt and it aint like the comic enough. I guess where I live the choice of actress (on the looks basis), is more in line with what is around me (Lower Elwah, Squamish, Makah, Showalwater, Klallam, etc. The tribes of the OLD Northwest and the Pacific NW tend to a different look than many of the plains peoples.
The world does NOT need the poster boy for gangster cops and neo nazi hate groups EVER! I say that as a guy who is 67 now and read nealry all the books (not the comics the pulp paper backs) to stay sane in thearm between 1977 and 1981
@@MrDportjoe Somewhere along the way, you evidently lost the ability to distinguish between the wonderful escapism of comic books and harsh reality, and I pity you for that.
That Shwarzenneger bit got me. "Maybe the supporting cast is better?" "Right?" Wrong." Boom! 😅 Would much rather watch Commando than another Disney dumpster fire TV series.
@rigelc.hoffman2496 I have rewatched it recently. I've been binging older 80s action films from actual movie stars, which are solely missing today, besides Tom Cruise.
The funny part is the writers are making Echo a unlikeable villain, she has zero personality, acting cocky and arrogant why would anyone want her to succeed or even want to watch this!
@@MrDportjoe Tell me exactly what we should cheer her for? She doesn't even try to make amends for her past, for killing people, nothing. Instead she drags her family into her revenge, kills more people, was a dick to animals even as a child. Like wtf do you root for. The only thing i do is pity her for having a mother who doesn't heal them being deaf. Wonder whatever bullshit explanation they come up with for that.
It's slacktivist propaganda to rile up brown people against evil hwhite people who stole their land, nonsense by tapping "ancestor power". This is godless paganism/ racebait propaganda.... par for Disney 💀
@@DarkSun123456789tbh my personal opinion is that it's meh/alright. I kinda prefer this instead of that cringe ms marvel sh*t. We all know the female characters will never die probably tbh and they will somehow end up winning against Dr Doom or some stupid sh*t.
Footwork is one of the most important things in a fight. Missing a foot will make it hard to fight people who know what they're doing. Being deaf makes it hard to fight as part of a team. Can't hear people yell for help,can't hear someone yell duck. I wonder if having a criminal as representation makes her tribe proud.
To anyone who gets mad at reaper for making the fire water joke, I would just like to say im a mechanic and anytime I get in a native's truck (and yes its a pick up truck everytime), there is a bottle of fireball sitting in the door, center or glove compartment lol. Hell one guys entire back cab was nothing but empty plastic mickeys of whiskey.
@@Anoneemus_Noenayme tbf i only have like 9 or 10 native customers, but its a 100% clearance rate that theres a bottle of hooch somewhere in that truck lol
Yeah that show is already done filming. But they couldn't release it on Disney+ because Strike reasons. Might as well release all of them episodes at once. Lol
@@Eternaldarkness3166 Madame Web is not a show though. I'm guessing Madame Web could have a short theatre run after a horrible open weekend and then it will go straight to streaming
After Ms. Marvel, She Hulk, Moon Night, Secret Invasion, Hawkeye and now Echo is it any wonder people are fleeing the MCU? How much punishment can a fan take?
idk, i jumped ship after multiverse of midness, have no idea how people are still watching these crap shows from disney and marvel (except the reviewers cause that is there job."
The only issue is that if you look deeper at any of the shows you just mentioned, they’re pretty bad too. None of the shows have been overall bangers. I know the spider verse movies have huge flaws, but at least those movies are overall pretty good. You can’t say the same for any of the marvel Disney plus shows.
@@jlopez240gaming7 I disagree on Monn Knight. For me it was bad. I was pretty excited by the prospect of this show, as i really liked some Moon Knight comics in the past, specially the ones that balance the line " is he crazy or does he realy have a connection to a god" . Unfortunately, for me , it was turned into another Marvel pulp, I hated it. Cant comment on Hawkeye, I think Moon Knight was last Marvel show I tried to watch.
You know I am starting to think they changed her taskmaster powers not because they were 'lame' but because the actress can't do anything physical that it'd demand and they rather just have her stand there and CGI blowy bits onto her hands.
Kingpin would never tell Echo to kill him. Why are these writers acting like Fisk cares THAT much about her? Did they forget that his true love is Vanessa?
she was just supposed to be his replacement though it clearly wasn't attraction between like like he was looking for a partner. which could have worked better if they had actually bothered to show him being motivated to find a replacement so that he could be with vanessa. Even the setup of him running for politics was so lazy. just literally make that be his motivation now because a person on the tv told him so. These writers are just a whole other level of bad.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was true which is dumb asf, they should’ve hire a real actress to play the role, someone who can actually act and has experience, not because of race and disability gosh marvel cares more about identity politics and woke crap than storytelling and good writing I’m sick of it
of course. because the reason there is no "native american cinema" for these people to have "representation", is none of them were interested in it enough to create their own movies/shows. so there aren't many native american actors, never mind ones who are also deaf and one legged. so they had to go with a person who isnt an actor, even with the child actor you can tell from the credit at the end, that they just worked with the actual people of the tribe, and they got them a bunch of people who weren't actors. So its pretty much like troll 2, a bunch of people who live in a town where the filming is happening get to be in the film because they're conveniently there. There lead actors is in the movie because she's checked all the right boxes, not because she can act. and they didnt bother to give any of them acting lessons.
@@ge2719 the notion that there are no native american actors so they "just grabbed some people from the tribe" is way off base and completely incorrect. The actresses playing Echo (both adult and young) are real life cousins and its true neither have any other acting credits (which is definitely a strike against the show); however the actors playing her family and the other supporting characters are well established actors from across the United States and Canada. Some of them such as Graham Greene and Tantoo Cardinal have well over 100 acting credits to their names and most of the others like Devery Jacobs, Chaske Spencer, and Cody Lightning each have acted in over three dozen projects.
Says a person who is deaf and blind to what is happening in Hollywood and the West in general. A Controlled Opposition is a protest movement that is actually being led by government agents. Nearly all governments in history have employed this technique to trick and subdue their adversaries, notably Vladimir Lenin who said, "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired. *“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists* who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* ....They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” -Yuri Bezmenov, 1985 So the pendulum swings, now violently, now slowly; and every institution not only carries within it the seeds of its own dissolution, but prepares the way for its most hated rival. William Ralph Inge "Democracy and the Future" The Atlantic Monthly (March 1922) Disney (the corporation) is controlled opposition. They use the "useful idiots" (Social Justice Activist actors/writers/producers/directors) to assert Marxist ideologies with the expectation the majority of the population will do what is actually desired----That is, go the opposite direction towards Conservative ideologies. The current "Liberal" Marxist institution prepares the way for Conservative Fascism.
I also want to point out Jia from Godzilla vs Kong who was also a deaf character who had way more better character development. She did a better job emoting. Her characters’s bond with Kong was very well done. The actress showed many emotions and was literally the heart of that movie.
the peg legs are held on with suction (a roll on liner that presses into a carbon fiber socket and is held by suction) but it would be *extremely* limiting mobility wise but are rather difficult to just yank off. there is a reason you dont see amputees fight in the UFC its because they would get obliterated.
Her power in the comics is so much cooler, she’s supposed to be like a female taskmaster but ofc the creator of the show said oh those powers were lame so we made her have any power that suits the plot, shit is a pile of dog shit… smh Disney
😂😂😂😂 You were the sixth person that convinced me to watch this. I started watching your video and I thought to myself foolishly, " surely it cannot be that bad. Surely." When it started, I actually thought it was going to be decent. And then as the episode one proceeded, I was left a bit confused because it seems as though we were missing huge chunks of information. Then it just evolved into sheer madness. The finale was the icing on the cake and oh my god I laughed so hard 😂
@@RealReaper hey reaper I want to ask you a question even though you're probably not going to respond or even see this reply, but I want to know why you make content like this, what I mean by that is, in my opinion, it's pretty bad and hard to watch because it sound like you're just mad that a minority is in the media you watch/consume, even though that might not be the case, I just want to know why you make your content sound so spiteful against shows/movies that often times are objectively "good" and why you only target show/movies that have minority leading roles or significance. I also want to state that I'm not trying to be hateful or bitter I just want to understand your line of thinking
Disney really should have used echo to really showoff how powerful the kingpin and daredevil are to establish the characters as badass. Instead, they bitch out both characters handicapping the show everyone is actually looking forward to.
You gotta love how the writers take originally better written villains to shoehorn into their garbage tv series because they can't come up with anything themselves. Thanos has been completely destroyed in What If and is a shell of what he was in the movies. Kingpin is the same, practically unrecognizable after Hawkeye and Echo.
The Kingpin is now become The Kingsimp. At least I'm happy that Daredevil had one episode and no more, beacuse i can not even imagine what they would do to him. Also, unlike the comics, they made Echo another generic Mary Sue: In the comics she possesses Photographic Reflexes, an ability also possessed by the mercenary known as the Taskmaster. As a result, Echo is capable of perfectly duplicating any physical movement or action she sees with perfection after watching it only once. Meanwhile in the series she has the plot inducing power of Ancestral Evocation: The ability to call upon the strength and skills of her fellow ancestors. - Photographic Reflexes: As a child, Lopez discovered she could mimic another person's movements. She perfectly copied another - karate student's technique and used it against another student. - Ancestral Communication: Maya can communicate to a degree with her deceased ancestors, such as her mother. - Enhanced Strength: To be added - Memory Recall: Through her powers, Maya can recall the memories of her ancestors and witness events that they went through. - Healing: Through her mother, Maya possesses the ability to heal a person's mental scars by entering their minds and visualizing their past traumas. However, for this to work permanently, the person must also want Maya’s help, as seen when she attempted to heal Fisk but had to convince him to let her help him give up his rage and pain, in these cases the effect of that power is temporary and less effective. I mean why we need Daredevil when we have Echo, she is a fusion of a hospital and a dojo.
It says in the Wikipedia article about thise show that the actress thought the characters Photographic Reflexes ability was "lame" and was glad it was removed from the character. So the fans have no say in this. Even though that's an ability the audience would love to see portrayed well. Likewise in Heroes there was a woman who had photographic reflexes - and she just does a few fight moves in one scene, and then she's off the show. The man from the watcher org gives her a bunch of videos with various movements that could be useful for her to remember. I'd love to see what skills he included and how she imitated those. But no.
If anything, the Native American ancestral powers is even lamer, due to how overpowered it can be and how the powers themselves are whatever the plot needs them to be, and the show even sucked at portraying it.
There's a massive plothole in this series that no one addresses...why the fuck don't they heal Echo's deafness & peg leg? They clearly can heal injuries.
When I watched Echo I just felt so bad for Vincent D’onofrio. When you see HIS acting and how he is giving all of himself to this role and Alaqua’s grimaces (I can’t call it acting). It’s awful Next problem: fight scenes - awful. Why they couldn’t hire people who choreographed fights for Daredevil?? Why? Next problem: Alaqua Cox Girl CAN NOT act Girl is chubby, doesn’t look like superhero sorry not sorry And of course I am pissed that they changed her origin from comics I don’t know who said to Alaqua that she can act and why they did that
Eh he agreed to do it so I feel nothing for him, he should of told them NO or better yet use some of his power and tell them to change some shit or no deal.
This is what "A Camel is a Horse made by Committee" means. When you get a bunch of suits to try and mesh a bunch of "Relatable" shit in, without any thought to character, you get a mess. We aren't making "Strong Female Characters" anymore, we're trying to get actors to try and portray a world salad of buzzwords. Noriko from Godzilla Minus One, is leagues better, and has far less screen time. She can't punch through walls and doesn't have a long speech were she owns the men or anything, but there's a wonderful, endearing kindness and determination to her that resonates throughout the whole story.
Glad I didn't decide to watch the show. To think Echo could hold her own against Daredevil or Kingpin is absolutely insane. There's no way her martial arts are on par with Daredevils and no chance in hell she could stop Kingpin from just squeezing the life out of her. It's a damn shame what they're doing to the Marvel Multiverse. The craziest part about it, is they already have amazingly written stories that have been loved for decades.
The Punisher's an expert hand to hand combatant who's seen actual war and I remember the Kingpin absolutely demolishing him in a fight in the Netflix show.
I’m excited for Disney to become so desperate that they allow Netflix to have its Marvel shows back and go back to receiving checks in the mail from them. By the way, Disney can keep Echo because that trash is not canon to The Defenders pocket universe. 💯
Could’ve casted Jessica Matten as Echo. She definitely resembles Echo from the comics. Maybe some practicing of sign language and some physical training. She would definitely get the character.
He does review good shows and movies too. Actually he gives way less spoilers on the good shit he reviews because he wants you to watch it. As opposed to the other crap he reviews where he gives you the spoilers to save you the trouble.
what made me even morrrrre pissed, was that Charlie Cox only got paid 3,000 for that appearance, like cmonnnnnm his inclusion was literally the only thing that lured in everyone, he should be getting more than that lol
Do not feel sorry for Charlie Cox for Vincent D’Onofrio. They read the script, signed the contract, and cashed the check. They are equally as culpable as the rest of the makers of this shyte.
I wish that Deadpool animated series that Fox was developing with Donald Glover was never cancelled. I’d rather watch that than anything Disney Marvel.
Echo is supposed to be good looking as well. It helps her do her job I.E being an assassin who is able to mimic her enemies fighting style hence the name echo. Why I mentioned that Echo is supposed to be beautiful is so she can play men like how black widow does or any other manipulative beautiful woman. This show is the worst Marvel show and yes even worse than She Hulk.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Now the name makes sense and I can forget about watching the other episodes. Think I'll finish The Continental. That was way better.
To me that actress is pretty hot-now the classic hot native woman to most white guys would be from central plains tribes/bands. I say that as an old white guy with a son who has invested several of his 35 years working with native sports and preforming arts groups in Seattle.
@@MrDportjoe Considering your selfproclaimed age, every walmart random woman below the age of 30 probably looks hot to you lmao. The actress is a 6 at her absolute best and when you look at her from the front, her round "i had a plate squished in my face until right before we started filming" face, she is at best a 5.
@@MrBarborosa To you and just where do you get the spine to say that YOU decide who is hot and who is not and we all must abide by your call? I would say that is a variation on the up tight white folks who got all bent out shape because in theri mind, when the author of Hunger Games wrote that 'Rue had brown skin they thought at WORST Mexican, at best Italian.
If I win the lottery, I’m going to invest in creating my own indie entertainment business company. Films, TV Shows, comics, graphic novels, video games. I can come up with better storytelling than HollyWoke. 💯
@@shardeyanderson1778 👍 You bet! I’ll start by making original low budget horror movies and work my way up to making original superhero comics and graphic novels like Eric July is doing, maybe do a comic series that’s an original Sci Fi space opera, maybe do some indie horror games that RU-vidrs could do let’s plays of. Endless possibilities!
*Strong Female Lead 2004* : Katee Sackhoff as gender swapped Starbuck. Superb. Believable. Flawed. Imperfect. Worthy of respect. *Strong Female Lead 2023* : Katee Sackhoff as Bo-Katan in The Mandalorian. Where to start... As newly introduced character Bo-Katan, Katee inexplicably had to rescue the inexplicably now-clumsy and inexplicably dumb titular character of The Mandalorian continuously, on the second such rescue in 5 minutes seeing a bad special effect that inexplicably meant SHE was 'the one' to reunite Mandalore according to the inexplicably all female inexplicably ethnically diverse and inexplicably helmetless Mandalorian upper management who then accepted the titular character back into the fold on condition he kept his helmet ON and she could leave hers OFF, and suddenly The Rando-lorian became the face of The Mandalorian in KK's new publicity posters alongside a trashcan that may or may not contain Pedro the voice actor, previously known as Mando *The* Mandalorian. *At that point I cancelled Disney+ and you can see from the first line I wrote that it has NOTHING to do with strong female characters, it's even the SAME actress but with a script aimed at this 'modern audience' they can't seem to find.* They always weaken the males and make the females SUPER overpowered with NO explanation and it isn't necessary because *The Expanse managed to make EVERYONE look good,* and we absolutely loved the tough Belter women, some of us a little TOO much. Anyway, I later learned that Pedro handed the woman who stole his show his testic- his sacred weapon (kinda the same thing really) because She Is Now The One. My 2c? *THIS IS NOT THE WAY*
Every time Echo raises her eyebrow and keeps that face 99% of the time the writers think this gives Echo authoritah. Therefore this show should be called "Echo gets authoritah" and not just Echo cause she insist on doing that in every cut and photo I've seen. Unfortunately for her she has the emotional range of a spunge as she reeks of I am not an actor, but this is what they wanted and payed for. Miss the people that love acting and putting passion in things and making timeless quality. The fall of TV and Movie making is sad to see
@@DaNinja60 He was in a fight. Against another 100 pound girl in Kate Bishop, which he also lost, which was in the show Hawkeye. Like 60% of Echo episode 1 is embellished shit from Hawkeye.
Shouldn’t have watched Ms Marvel ( actually couldn’t watch all of it ) Shouldn’t have watched Secret Invasion ( shouldn’t have hung in there ) Didn’t watch the Marvels Was absolutely ready not to watch Echo Will not watch Marvel until Peltz has slain the Iger Dragon Will not watch Marvel until Feige is gone Hoping Mr Peltz will return Marvel to the control of Mr Perlmutter
