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We only got one Paladin in oath in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, the Oath of the Watchers. This paladin oath is all about fending off strange extraplanar creatures but for some reason it just doesn't really interest me.
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@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
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@rotheraisscott7315
@rotheraisscott7315 3 года назад
Watcher Paladin, Horizon Walker Ranger and a Arcana Cleric together could make a kick ass anti planar creatures party where they work together to stop portals from ripping holes in the plane and spewing out different monsters
@AdamDeLocke
@AdamDeLocke 3 года назад
FANTASY SPACE COPS
@jamescampbell2353
@jamescampbell2353 3 года назад
Fey hate them! Find out what crazy trick ends revels in one failed saving throw!
@speedlarcool132
@speedlarcool132 3 года назад
Warhammer 40K Inquisition intensifies (Grey Knights, Soldier and Cleric)
@joegeigerjr
@joegeigerjr 3 года назад
Major Men in Black vibes
@alfonsocruz6100
@alfonsocruz6100 3 года назад
Sounds really cool!
@afineegg1040
@afineegg1040 3 года назад
This subclass gave me a hilarious mental image of a Paladin with a mount from Find Steed using Abjure the Extraplanar and then his mount proceeds to book it in the opposite direction.
@Jayvee4635
@Jayvee4635 3 года назад
Villagers: see aberration Paladin: (uses Modify Memory on villagers) There's no flying eyeball here. Move along.
@Randomdudefromtheinternet
@Randomdudefromtheinternet 3 года назад
You see, there's no flying eyeball, it was just the light of Venus reflecting into the eyes of a Tabaxi 0rgy.
@watershipdowneyjr
@watershipdowneyjr 3 года назад
Paladin: Could I have your attention, please? [Modify Memories the crowd] Paladin: Thank you for participating in our drill. Had this been an actual emergency, y'all would have been EATEN. 'Cause you don't listen! You're ignorant! How's a man gonna come crashin' through the back of a tavern win - that's the problem with all y'all dwarves! "Oh no, we've seen it all!" "Oh no, a 600 foot worm, save us Mr. Oath Man!" I ask you nicely to move forward to the next pub, y'all just sit there like... [Modifiy Memories the crowd again] Paladin: The Oath of the Watchers would like to thank you for participating in our drill. Hopefully you enjoyed our smaller, more energy-efficient tavern rooms. Watch your step, you all have a nice evening.
@Zarlos01
@Zarlos01 3 года назад
Basically a extraplanar MIB
@mathybrain8
@mathybrain8 3 года назад
Augury grants you an omen from an otherworldly entity, so casting it would be against the tenents of the oath, hence the spell being replace with see invisibility. Moonbeam is on the spell list due to its ability to reveal shapechangers.
@lancearmada
@lancearmada 3 года назад
I like the idea of a faction of Paladins that watches for aberrations or other extraplanar monsters finding their way into the material world, but I do think the Horizon Walker ranger is a bit more of a buff with its ability to detect portals and do extra force damage on all their attacks. I guess Paladin subclasses don’t really get to buff Paladin too much cause it’s base subclass is already pretty powerful.
@speedlarcool132
@speedlarcool132 3 года назад
I think both of them synergize pretty well working together. Like, one is tracking where the extraplanar came from and the other is more for protection of the innocents. Kinda cool in that way.
@ender4101
@ender4101 3 года назад
@@speedlarcool132 The best fantasy Buddy Cop duo.
@lancearmada
@lancearmada 3 года назад
@@speedlarcool132 Good point!
@anonyme4881
@anonyme4881 3 года назад
Paladin has probably the strongest and well rounded core class kit in this game, so you cant give them completly overpowered subclass mecanics. (Second being Sorcerer for metamagic+spell or Bard for everything they get) Ranger is the weakest class, so giving ranger a lot of power from subclass is a duty. The only drawback with this game balance is strong core kit class will probably feel the same (every paladin feels like a paladin), but weak kit class will feel very different, but with one or more option that completly surclass the other, or option that are just plain bad (Monk with Elemental, Ranger with beast master, kinda happens with some wizard subclasses)
@anonyme4881
@anonyme4881 3 года назад
@@gamecavalier3230 I would argue it depend on which Ranger you play because there are like 3 or 4 rangers UA ranger is cool, but PHB ranger has really nothing for him at all exept mobility and some spell. Read the PHB, most of the core kit feature is terrain based, and prettt munch useless. And they dont have that many spell Monk can do some damage and can actually stun a threat for multiple turn, got all saving throw proficiency, and got one of the best skill : evade. They are pretty munch immune to dec based spell and very durable against regular spell at higher level. Their only real problem is they cant really do damage because they dont have access to Great Weapon Master or magic item, or damage boosting feature and they are stuck with only two attacks. (Without wasting ki point) No really, PHB ranger got nothing for them. Im talking core kit, without subclasses.
@Beth-cj7ip
@Beth-cj7ip 3 года назад
Honestly, I haven't had much time to read Tasha's yet. Most of what I know about the books comes from these videos. Thanks!
@jerclayrao1496
@jerclayrao1496 3 года назад
The oath of the watchers, I’m pretty sure, is a reference to the Abyss Watchers from Dark Souls, as they were knights who took an oath to protect the world from the aberrations of the abyss.
@jacobdavis6604
@jacobdavis6604 3 года назад
I absolutely love this men-in-black/illuminati style paladin so much. In particular the 7th level feature.
@lrioje1
@lrioje1 3 года назад
I actually like them giving see invisibility as an auto-prepare, as it rarely gets used otherwise, and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the usage on the Star Razor on CriticalRole.
@phillconklin382
@phillconklin382 3 года назад
Watchers sounds like a call back to Game of Throne. Protecting Westeros from supernatural beings. "The watchers on the wall." They also make a Oath, not a magical based fighter but it's still reminiscent.
@alexesterly3448
@alexesterly3448 3 года назад
Phill Conklin this is exactly what I was thinking for this subclass, definitely an inspiration for it I think
@bootleg_
@bootleg_ 3 года назад
Love this subclass for it's flavour personally. It fits well with a "Abyss Watcher" themed character, which I am playing in one of my friend's campaigns.
@danielknapp159
@danielknapp159 3 года назад
I think going with proficency bonus as the determining factor for all those abilities was very strategic. Now those abilities are hard-set to character level, so they progress much more predictably and consistently. This also encourages characters to take feats more often since a significant reason to boost your stats was removed. This was probably more for power balance as it level locks these features.
@CitanulsPumpkin
@CitanulsPumpkin 3 года назад
It's looking like the deciding factor in Proficiency vs ability score is whether or not the score in question would be the one the class would put the highest score in right away. Charisma is important for paladins, but its second behind strength and maybe third behind constitution.
@hickorybane9323
@hickorybane9323 3 года назад
Shortly before this UA came out I had developed a group in my world that specializes against planar level threats. The leader is even a paladin so this was perfect!
@BeatNasty
@BeatNasty 3 года назад
Having abilities improve on proficiency bonus also incentives multiclassing, as it increases with total character level.
@patrickdekker3934
@patrickdekker3934 3 года назад
I kinda feel like there should be an oath of the storm paladin subclass, not sure about flavor but I have this vague concept that is just so cool
@IamWalkingDead1
@IamWalkingDead1 3 года назад
There is an Oath of Fulmination paladin in the Acheron setting book from DM's Guild. Its a bit pricey, but the book is fantastic
@dontwatchmahvids
@dontwatchmahvids 3 года назад
Kinda sad that paladin only got one subclass this time around, but overall I'm enjoying tasha's anyways so i'll let it slide.
@tylamcgilverson3923
@tylamcgilverson3923 3 года назад
It has "2"
@dominicharding1309
@dominicharding1309 3 года назад
It also has oath of glory
@TheTallPotato
@TheTallPotato 3 года назад
@@tylamcgilverson3923, @Dominic Harding Oath of Glory is a reprint from Theros
@alexk8083
@alexk8083 3 года назад
Well, I personally don’t mind since the subclass is a contender for the best in the book imo
@ryanfox8508
@ryanfox8508 3 года назад
I wonder if that’s cuz of Heroism being added. Might explain there only being one Bard too
@markuswelander8551
@markuswelander8551 3 года назад
Perfect subclass for the kind of parent who knows whether or not there are monsters under the bed.
@joshuacolby5919
@joshuacolby5919 3 года назад
The Oath of Glory is also in Tasha's.
@nbeutler1134
@nbeutler1134 3 года назад
Ya it’s a reprint though
@dascientist8443
@dascientist8443 3 года назад
Interestingly, this is one of the only three paladins that don't have to use their full action for the level 20 transformation. The Oath of Glory also uses a bonus action to transform, and the Oath of Redemption is always on until you harm someone. It's nice, since I always thought that the transformations taking your whole turn was a bit clunky.
@arturpalhares2103
@arturpalhares2103 3 года назад
It's a really flavorful subclass, but again it seems that WotC is afraid of Auras, Watchers Will would be way better as an aura, anyway, delete machine go brrrrr.
@tomtom7955
@tomtom7955 3 года назад
vigilant rebuke was nerfed too hard imo. It was all around good until the changes now its pretty meh except for specific circumstances. I thought much of the criticism for the class was it was too niche and they push it further into a corner...
@arturpalhares2103
@arturpalhares2103 3 года назад
@@tomtom7955 If it was against spells and other magical effects, and a auto damage, It would be way better
@riccardocorradini6713
@riccardocorradini6713 3 года назад
When i looked at the book for the First Time and red the lv 7 aura i was like: 'what the fuck Is this shit'. That's not even a feature 'cmon!
@MrChoco409
@MrChoco409 3 года назад
Crazy you only got 60k. I watch you daily more than any others
@guyshamama2300
@guyshamama2300 3 года назад
Feels more like a ranger/cleric class, very specific on extra planer, and its' cap stones also very circumstances depend
@jeffhowe1913
@jeffhowe1913 3 года назад
My Dreanei (reskinned Aesimir) Grave Cleric died two weeks ago in our Warcraft themed campaign. I got reincarnated, same race but came back as a Oath of Watchers. It’s been so much fun since then.
@Grey_Shard
@Grey_Shard 3 года назад
When i first read the Psi-Warrior, i thought Jedi Knight. When i read up on the Watchers, my impression was the Wardens from Dresden Files. Sort of, vaguely. Grey blood-spatter-proof cloaks should be a common item for their order to hand out.
@perezortegavalentin9343
@perezortegavalentin9343 3 года назад
I'm still kinda mad we don't get official support for ranged smites Maybe not for bows and stuff, but for daggers and tridents and stuff, which is how we've been playing The way we've been rulling it is that if the weapon has the thrown propperty, you can use a smite on a ranged attack with it it, but not for other ranged attacks
@linkn5509
@linkn5509 3 года назад
Arcana Cleric + Horizon Walk Ranger + Watchers Paladin
@DRivi93
@DRivi93 3 года назад
Thanks for all the coverage Ted.
@saarthak421
@saarthak421 3 года назад
Heh oath of watchers plus swashbuckler plus alert (I think it’s the initiative buff) plus max dex and charisma is 5+5+5+6 so the min you can roll is 22 XD
@KCSutherland
@KCSutherland 3 года назад
This coverage of TCE has been so useful, I'm not surprised at all to see your sub count rising so suddenly. There's really nobody else doing quite what you're doing with all these individual comparisons.
@typoko
@typoko 3 года назад
I like the idea for paladins to get back their capstone with 5th level spell slot. Not sure if Redemption would be the only one who would not gain anything from that as their capstone power is on all the time.
@digitaldevil696
@digitaldevil696 3 года назад
About the flavour: I think they're like blood hunters in many regards, but without the whole edgy element. I actually dig an idea of a knighty order, who monitors all extraplanar influences, celestial included, so those stuck up with their extreme rigid code angels won't use mortals in their holy wars. They feel a bit similar to Deathwatch space marine chapter from Warhammer 40k, and now I actually want to build one, using the Deathwatch visuals
@thurismundbotheric7598
@thurismundbotheric7598 3 года назад
My thoughts... Channel Divinity: Both options are good and thematic, having advantage on your mental saves is always going to be useful, and an extra-planer turning can save a party more often then not. Aura of the Sentinel: Initiative bonuses are always good, slapping it on a paladin's aura is even better. Vigilant Rebuke: It's a mage slayer ability, and I appreciate that we have something that can do that archetype well without needing to multiclass. Mortal Bulwark: Truesight, advantage against extra planer creatures, and a built in banishing smite, plus you can use it up to 3 times per day. Final thoughts: This is a fun, and powerful, subclass that is perfect for anyone who wants to play a mageslayer but didn't want to multiclass, and I'm already working on one for me.
@thebeanz7838
@thebeanz7838 3 года назад
This man is like......the 35 Year Old Gandalf of D&D
@davidsoyele7829
@davidsoyele7829 3 года назад
The watchers? Ain't those the bald headed dudes in marvel with the glowy eyes?
@IamWalkingDead1
@IamWalkingDead1 3 года назад
No, that's Dr. Manhattan :P
@IamWalkingDead1
@IamWalkingDead1 3 года назад
Wait... Dr. Manhattan is DC. Joke ruined.
@patrickkail502
@patrickkail502 3 года назад
No, Uatu the watcher is a thing. Forced to watch but forbidden to interfere, so maybe not a perfect match, but he exists
@antongrigoryev6381
@antongrigoryev6381 3 года назад
No. These are hot night elf girls in cool balded armor from WoW.
@davidsoyele7829
@davidsoyele7829 3 года назад
I guess helm would probably be one of the only gods to fit this subclass.
@AzkuulaKtaktu
@AzkuulaKtaktu 3 года назад
Modifier vs proficiency is case-by-case. Proficiency is used to balance progression (whenever a +4 or +5 would make an ability too strong at early levels). I support this shift as it allows for more range and flexibility in design.
@brandonmarvel9107
@brandonmarvel9107 3 года назад
For the aura of the sentinel, I don’t think it removes the dex mod on initiative. All it says is you “gain a bonus equal to your proficiency bonus”. So it would be 10+ dex mod + proficiency bonus, right?
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
Correct, it's in addition.
@nedal22
@nedal22 3 года назад
Congrats on 60K subs!
@binolombardi
@binolombardi 3 года назад
Oath of the watcher paladin, swashbuckler rogue, gloomstalker ranger, and war wizard. Full high initiative strike team. Whole party has ridiculous initiative. The power of going before your enemies is ridiculous. The average combat is 3 rounds, and high initiative basically gives the chance for an “extra” turn by going before your enemies. Each 1 bonus to initiative to a a 5% chance to get a turn first, which increases your damage by 33%. 4 to your enemies vs 3, instead of the other way around. This equates to a roughly 1.65% increase in expected damage per 1 point of initiative bonus, regardless of how you approach combat. Only caveat is dexterity based damage further benefits.
@burgerchicken
@burgerchicken 3 года назад
I think this is one of those subclasses that sounds cool but would suffer if it wasn't utilized in the right campaign setting.
@Vawk20
@Vawk20 3 года назад
Oath of Glory reprint has the 5th level thing too
@DDCRExposed
@DDCRExposed 3 года назад
I'm very interesting in playing a Paladin at some point and especially this subclass. I have some personal reasons for this and I'm curious to see how it plays out. The 20th level ability for constant advantage seems a bit late in the game. Although that is a trend, it seems, with Paladins and being VERY delayed gratification sadly. I like how this class is planned out and provided the DM gives plenty of extraplanar creatures to fight in combat. This Paladin could be a great deal of fun to play. I'm looking forward to it although I'm very interesting in playing the homebrewed Oath of Brotherhood first.
@altair6491
@altair6491 3 года назад
Regarding the 20th level feature using a 5th level spell slot to recharge. Not all features are equal so some might be too powerful if they could recharge using a 5th level spell slot. Just a thought as to why not all subclasses are uniform
@carsonrush3352
@carsonrush3352 3 года назад
When I hear about the Watchers, my brain immediately went to Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
Same
@mcullennz
@mcullennz 3 года назад
It's a good paladin to have with a Vedalken in the party (Vedalken Dispassion You have advantage on all Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma saving throws)
@grahamschatz5474
@grahamschatz5474 3 года назад
Paladin gets so slept on
@Zarlos01
@Zarlos01 3 года назад
About what you said about the WotC waiting for the next printing to release the errata to avoid confusion, it's not make complete sense. If two players in the same group has one with the non errata version and the other has one with the errata? It would be confusing as having the errata early on internet.
@VMSelvaggio
@VMSelvaggio 3 года назад
Hey Ted! I don't know about you, but comparing the UA version to the TCoE version, I would rather keep Chromatic Orb instead of Detect Magic, I can always take detect magic if I need it, and I would rather keep Hallow and Scrying. IIRC unless I'm mistaken, Hold Monster doesn't work on Undead, which my DM tends to throw at my group the most.
@ldavepedrialva
@ldavepedrialva 3 года назад
Take the Oath of the Watcher and subscribe to Ned Immersion! woop woop!
@taylordking
@taylordking 3 года назад
I think the watchers are a reference to the gatekeepers from back on eberron. Basiclly the same premise back in 3.5
@salvatoreflauto7023
@salvatoreflauto7023 3 года назад
Those are Gatekeepers. But I get where you are going. Good point
@neoman4426
@neoman4426 3 года назад
I've been saying for a while it feels to Eberron Druids what Ancients is to more traditional Druids, something that's somewhat thematically aligned (though by no means 1:1) that wouldn't look out of place as the heavy hitter of a circle of them
@TVMAN1997
@TVMAN1997 3 года назад
I inspired a city in one of my contents in world based off of these paladins. The whole idea is that this temple was split into two parts:one part of the temple is clerics, paladins, and monks the other part is Eldritch knights, warlock’s and wizards. Each section has a responsibility to protect different aspects of the content in which they are located in. Wizards and clerics protect the content from extra planer attacks, Monks root out corruption in the cities, knights are guards for the city and paladins fill the gaps.
@brayanb91746
@brayanb91746 3 года назад
what lens is that on your camera?
@TrigunnerX3
@TrigunnerX3 3 года назад
This reminds me of a paladin alternative from 3.5: The *sentinel*.
@T0beyeus
@T0beyeus 3 года назад
Uses should scale with Proficiency, but the benefits should be Modifier. The idea should be as you grow in level you can use something more often due to becoming more experienced or proficient at doing it, but if you have a lower Modifier it should be a weaker effect.
@rustyrowan7068
@rustyrowan7068 3 года назад
Oh yeah I subscribed on the armorer artificer when ya mentioned it there I have been listening for a year and a half thought I was subscribed I listen as I deliver all day
@TheMr767
@TheMr767 3 года назад
Personally I would like all subclass use modifier, it seem more organize between each subclass
@TheWonkster
@TheWonkster 3 года назад
I would actually argue that scrying is a really bad spell for Paladins. Being a half-caster, by the time they get access to scrying you’ve likely had someone in the party who has been able to scry for the last 8 levels and can now do it up to 6 times. It’s a great spell, but hallow makes more sense for what this particular oath is going for and it’s not something a half-caster is going to get that much use out of, especially one who wants to keep those level of slots for bigass smites.
@manuelcamara6400
@manuelcamara6400 3 года назад
I'd definitely allow other paladins to transform again as a level 20 ability. If you've made it to level 20 legit you deserve to sploosh, and get amazing abilities for sticking to a class till the very end.
@zwordsman
@zwordsman 3 года назад
Ultimately I never like comparing UA to final product. I just like seeing the final product on its own. since comparing to an overtuned on purpose UA is awkward at best. do like these vids
@Zack.Knuckles
@Zack.Knuckles 3 года назад
You could use spell points to get more of the transformation feature, but you’d give up a lot of smites.
@SubKoopa
@SubKoopa 3 года назад
You have to use a 5th level slot to use the transformation and smite caps out at 5d8 at 4th level
@antongrigoryev6381
@antongrigoryev6381 3 года назад
@@SubKoopa It was a typo and got errata'd ages ago. Max Smite damage is 6d8, 7 on Fiends and Undeads.
@SkittMeister
@SkittMeister 3 года назад
just a small thing to note, Watchers Paladin is the only subclass that can use their lvl20 capstone ability as a bonus action.
@ben5056
@ben5056 3 года назад
Helm is known as the watcher, this the subclass name
@nicolaezenoaga9756
@nicolaezenoaga9756 3 года назад
Thank you.
@SynderFGC
@SynderFGC 3 года назад
And it was with the Watchers Subclass. That the Paladins secured themselves among the best classes in the game.
@severknight1143
@severknight1143 3 года назад
Really? Why?
@chadcaughmann7898
@chadcaughmann7898 3 года назад
They were before Tasha’s was released. Anything at this point is just icing on the cake.
@severknight1143
@severknight1143 3 года назад
@@chadcaughmann7898 really? :/ but the subclasses are so meh
@severknight1143
@severknight1143 3 года назад
@sum body they always went paladin/sorcerer haha or I have for smiting and spell slots. Usually 2/x or paladin 6/x
@chadcaughmann7898
@chadcaughmann7898 3 года назад
@@severknight1143 - paladin’s base is a lot better than most other classes’ base abilities. It’s only balanced that their sub classes have less of an impact, considering what they are adding to is already significant.
@burlyd310
@burlyd310 3 года назад
Reminds me of the Keepers of the Cerulean Sign.
@thegneech
@thegneech 3 года назад
Wondering if "the watchers" is a nod to Greyhawk's Knights of the Watch.
@melvixen1943
@melvixen1943 3 года назад
More like "the watch" from Game of thrones with more then undead. (btw. big fan of your comics)
@thegneech
@thegneech 3 года назад
@@melvixen1943 Thanks! :D
@VI5ix6
@VI5ix6 3 года назад
Watcher paliden is basically a 40k inquisitor
@erebos426
@erebos426 3 года назад
I hate that they slap proficiency bonus everywhere where its not needed as well. It takes away from that good feeling of having that high of a stat and being powerful early on. Sure at 17 its a +6 but often the earlier levels it matters far more.
@FormerRuling
@FormerRuling 3 года назад
I think that is on purpose, since many tables now roll for stats and often can start with a +4 or even +5 capped stat at lvl1 so there's no progression and can be alittle nutty at low lvls.
@MrVdots
@MrVdots 3 года назад
I think it would be neat if the make a paladin themed around the "blessed warrior" theming it as lv 3 channel abilities calling on your god as the clerics have the roll 1d100 one, or having an aoe lay on hands that the amount you spent every friendly ceature recives that amount, with a range scales with your aura With oath spells about keeping your team alive but not necessarily pure healing but spells such as bless, aid, absorb elements, etc. With the last 2 giving them spells like spirit guardian An aura that gives people a passive bless, An ability that give them immunity to anti magic called the radiant gift and for all in their aura so that their blessive gifts will not be silences, With the lv Capt abilities calling them the blessive soul with celestial like wings flowing through your back giving a fly speed of your movement speed, adv on all saves with, resistance to all damage and a passive healing to all allies within your aura =to half your lv that last up to an hour
@ptah956
@ptah956 3 года назад
They're the watchers from Buffy the vampire slayer
@CPTcast
@CPTcast 3 года назад
"Why not?" Because GOTTA SELL BOOKS.
@TheZandaz
@TheZandaz 3 года назад
Oath of Ancients got dunked on by this channel divinity
@digitaldevil696
@digitaldevil696 3 года назад
OotA cancels disguise though, which can be clutch in social situations
@TheZandaz
@TheZandaz 3 года назад
@@digitaldevil696 that;s a fair point but quite niche. Tho say in a campaign that features many devils (often in disuise) such as DIA, it would be very valuable indeed
@digitaldevil696
@digitaldevil696 3 года назад
@@TheZandaz that's why I brought it up. I'm playing OotA Eladrin in DiA. All those invisible imps ain't got shit on my character, and now suddenly all the Baldur's Gate knows the local nobles are the devil worshippers
@TheZandaz
@TheZandaz 3 года назад
@@digitaldevil696 I'm dming it at the moment and the pally is oath of devotion, not quite as meta as the Ancients for this campaign I think but means devils won't be charming everyone
@digitaldevil696
@digitaldevil696 3 года назад
@@TheZandaz any paladin is a potential death sentence to the combat phase in DiA. Smite is NUTS vs fiends, especially in conjunction with polearm mastery, our DM has thrown much scarier creatures than they're supposed to, but they still are obliterated via Smites
@dantedetoussaint209
@dantedetoussaint209 3 года назад
Kinda sad they didn't keep chromatic orb
@riccardocorradini6713
@riccardocorradini6713 3 года назад
7th level aura Is very bad
@beastlyfour5481
@beastlyfour5481 3 года назад
It’s the abyss watchers
@holycheeseburger2981
@holycheeseburger2981 3 года назад
What about Oath of Glory?
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
Its just a reprint from Mythic Odysseys of Theros
@alexandermackenzie8949
@alexandermackenzie8949 3 года назад
anybody else feel the oath of watchers is almost too powerful for a paladin subclass it takes a basic class thats already good against these sorts of threats and basically gives it expertise in everything needed to take on outsiders
@Vawk20
@Vawk20 3 года назад
But it's doesn't give a whole lot against everything else, compared to every other other paladin subclass
@xxcobencxx
@xxcobencxx 3 года назад
I just want to play this for the name only........... but its roughhhhhhh
@Sage_6reen
@Sage_6reen 3 года назад
No oath of glory?
@TheMr767
@TheMr767 3 года назад
now I can be Watcher from Marvel LoL
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 3 года назад
I feel like the catchphrase of this class could be "Begone th*t!".
@TheSmoke722
@TheSmoke722 3 года назад
Prof bonus scaling is kinda lame. I dont like how if i build my character well amd put my stats into charisma, someone who didnt is just as good. Why would someone with 3 cha give the same thing as someone with 20 cha?
@i.cs.zamodits
@i.cs.zamodits 3 года назад
Why would a lv1 character with 18 Cha have the same thing as a lv17 character with 18 Cha? Every schaling has it's problems.
@TheSmoke722
@TheSmoke722 3 года назад
@@i.cs.zamodits because you have 18 charisma. You invested your ability score into that, you should be rewarded. And in flavor you should be better at something if all your power draws from that thing. Its also always worked. I agree with Ted that its odd that a lot of things were turned into prof bonus, but many were not.
@LethalLemonade
@LethalLemonade 3 года назад
I like it as a way to not be so dependent on your ability scores, if you roll for stats and get low ones or just want to play an intelligent Paladin or have some other reason for low stats, this scaling helps you stay viable as the game progresses. On the other hand, it doesn't reward high stat builds and it makes multiclassing more powerful which I don't particularly like. Multiclassing should be a way to trade power for versatility.
@i.cs.zamodits
@i.cs.zamodits 3 года назад
@sum body Actually no, hitti g something includes prof bonus...
@Zarlos01
@Zarlos01 3 года назад
I'm not displeased by some class using proficient bonus over ability modifier. Yeah a adventurer with 20 on the attribute should be better than one with 16, but a high level adventurer should be better than one on the firsts levels. It's all natural talent vs. trained talent, who is better and why?
@gameguy0101
@gameguy0101 3 года назад
play oninaki and you'll find out who the watchers are real quick 👀
@uglyroboticscot
@uglyroboticscot 3 года назад
Americans who are here early:do yous sleep? Also nerd immersion do you sleep? Or are you just a living breathing dnd machine
@TheSmoke722
@TheSmoke722 3 года назад
I go to work at 5:30 am so i usually wake up when ted uploads. As for Ted i have no clue.
@TheSmoke722
@TheSmoke722 3 года назад
5:30 am mst that is
@lancearmada
@lancearmada 3 года назад
Do you sleep?
@Beth-cj7ip
@Beth-cj7ip 3 года назад
In one video he said he fell asleep in that chair while doing videos
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
No the main answer is no
@battlecast9202
@battlecast9202 3 года назад
I like the flavor, but I believe this is one of the mechanically weakest subs in the book
@tomtom7955
@tomtom7955 3 года назад
the lack of consistency w/ the mods vs prof is bugging the crap out of me as well. I was feeling pretty good still until i seen the change to vigilant rebuke, that change is a major nerf because monster abilities that create spell-like effects are essentially spells with a few exceptions like a dragons breath, Mind blast is a spell the way I understand psionics. Limiting it to only the mental stats and adding the stipulation they must make the save is a slap in the face. hope you save that channel because if you want to use this ability because you'll need it for sure. The class was already leaning towards too niche and the change to vigilant rebuke was the final nail. The capstone is mostly useless outside of some specific circumstances, usually you get something universally useful but not here, i guess they offer it for a cost 5th level spell because true sight? The only saving grace for me (I'm playing one in the rhyme of the frostmaiden) is that this campaign wont see 15-20 if it was I would multiclass out prolly to divine soul or celestial pact warlock.
@tomtom7955
@tomtom7955 3 года назад
@sum body can you give me some examples ? Like I said psionics and magic are the same thing according to Wotc. it's so much better when? In that one niche campaign? At least UA version had some general usefulness.
@Almighty_Mage
@Almighty_Mage 3 года назад
Can't believe we got this over oath of treachery. I was extremely disappointed to see this make it in
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 года назад
oath of treachery was left out before Xanathar's 3 years ago, there was no chance it was coming in this book
@Almighty_Mage
@Almighty_Mage 3 года назад
@@NerdImmersion I didn't realize it was so old
@melvixen1943
@melvixen1943 3 года назад
So since fey are in all the lists it would affect non humanoid Playerraces aka Satyr and Centaur players. So having this class could lead to some "Racism" issues which need to be handled.
@Almighty_Mage
@Almighty_Mage 3 года назад
@sum body for real
@melvixen1943
@melvixen1943 3 года назад
@sum body I didnt say that DND is racist. I only think that the watchers abilities can be used in an adverse way against the Nonhumanoid races. The possibility of that abuse should be adressed in some way. DND is not racists but players can. Also nice gatekeeping.
@severknight1143
@severknight1143 3 года назад
Felt like both paladin subclasses were let downs.
@incoher
@incoher 3 года назад
man you sound so fed up and annoyed in all of your vids. u ok?
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