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For those who make it to the end of the video, here is a link to the muted part: www.twitch.tv/videos/15827451...
OG's history, with the Redbull documentary "Against The Odds", this should be good!
Grubby Reacts To "Against The Odds" | Dota2 (Live on 5-September-2022)
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@Some_Lame_Stuff
@Some_Lame_Stuff Год назад
43:40, a bit of a timeline of how the split happened: S4 was supposedly initially approached by Evil Geniuses in secret sometime during the Birmingham Major to make the jump to their team. Fly finds out about this, and approaches S4 and EG and asks them to consider him as well. The hotel room meeting was several hours before OG had a flight to another tournament, the Chinese Supermajor. Fly and S4 leaving at that time ensured that OG had no time to search for replacements, and thus had to drop out of the tournament. Meanwhile, Fly and S4 were able to attend the Supermajor with EG's new roster. It was definitely quite a dick move. Even the Chinese fans, who are somewhat separated from Western Dota drama by the language barrier, also thought that it was a dick move.
@j.w.213
@j.w.213 Год назад
didn't they say the talk in the hotel room was short? 42:00
@kanomee
@kanomee Год назад
@@j.w.213 yes he did, and? in case you misunderstood it a bit, TS was talking about "the meeting was held several hours *before* OG goes to another tournament", not the duration of the meeting haha
@radityatamayesaya7514
@radityatamayesaya7514 Год назад
Source bro?
@j.w.213
@j.w.213 Год назад
@@kanomee me dumbo thx for clarifying!
@mateusbahia4915
@mateusbahia4915 Год назад
Wasnt. They had 3 suports, 2 offlanes. End of story.
@thawzin7924
@thawzin7924 Год назад
After watching this again, the last part where it says "Team OG qualifed for The International 2019 With the same roster." just to win another freaking Ti back to back gives me goosebumps.
@hpa2361
@hpa2361 Год назад
Fr and in a very dominating way at that too...chills, they were spanking everyone's ass at TI9 unreal
@asmerX100
@asmerX100 Год назад
@@hpa2361 they said OG fluked their way to win TI8, so demolished everyone at TI9 with a freaking io carry to prove a point
@francisjimenez6367
@francisjimenez6367 Год назад
@@asmerX100 ana's playstyle with og was just perfect. io carry was only played in archon bracket before ti and it was all thanks to ana and his 2kmmr friends that they discovered how strong the pos1 io really is. i think, the story goes like that.
@user-rq6wg5nd2v
@user-rq6wg5nd2v Год назад
@@francisjimenez6367 io carry being played in archon pubs before ti9 doesn't seem right, maybe during or after ti9 Notail said before that ana came up with the plan and they went with it Ana did play with his 2-3k mmr friends in unranked pubs and probably started testing the IO carry there for obvious reasons
@SoraNeku
@SoraNeku Год назад
@@user-rq6wg5nd2v it was being played though. I remember seeing IOs do mordigan plus MOM into blademail. multiple times.
@andrewhtun1248
@andrewhtun1248 Год назад
I"m not gonna lie, i really do want a friend like Ceb, or want to be like Ceb. The way he understands people and the way he talks makes it refreshing and motivating as a person.
@beograddrzava178
@beograddrzava178 Год назад
Not gonna lie i also thought same about Ceb,however turns out that he is the most toxic pro player of all of them.
@Mar0var
@Mar0var Год назад
@@beograddrzava178 Who cares what he does in Pubs that doesn't matter
@Aijiyaaa
@Aijiyaaa Год назад
@@beograddrzava178 there is a difference between a toxic pro player and a person :)
@daplinko3433
@daplinko3433 Год назад
What stops you from becoming the ceb in the friendship tho ?
@szaka9395
@szaka9395 Год назад
I want to hug Notail if i ever meet him :)
@blobs819901
@blobs819901 Год назад
Fun fact, Jerax was basically unbeatable when playing earth spirit and made the heroes look insanely broken that the dev had to nerf it twice and making it unplayable at all in competitive scene at that time, he wasn't the only reason but he is mostly the source of it lmao
@asmerX100
@asmerX100 Год назад
Jerax was the pioneer and master of the hero, every ES moves we've seen today was a blueprint of how he used to played it..i used to play the hero back when it was released and couldnt understand what he can or cannot do in the game and it felt like a total mess then i watched a youtube highlight video on Jerax's ES and i was amazed by how broken it truly was..tried to copy his moves and then i understand how good he really was because it was freaking hard to master the hero also i think ES held the record of longest period of time where he was added to the game until the time he was added to captain's mode..it took them about two years of nerfing before devs believe that he was good enough for the pro scene
@NoobMicesters
@NoobMicesters 8 месяцев назад
Not to mention, Jerax decided to retire, but then ES got buffed so much thay Jerax came out of retirement to go win another TI then proceeded to go back into retirement
@ChrisInIndy06
@ChrisInIndy06 Год назад
Grubby - at 17:00, what he means is you can buy speed, you can buy height, in the context of when building a team, you can go pick up the Shaq, and you can go pick up the Allen Iverson and build a team around the traits from what players you want/can gather. In a Dota context, they just mean "we can 'buy' an aggressive mid, we can 'buy' a playcalling support" (ok so about 30 seconds after I made this comment, a chatter pointed this out. LOL, sorry for the rant in that case)
@jacopobazzocchi8229
@jacopobazzocchi8229 Год назад
you can also "buy" a guy with a good heart and mentality like Ceb. That commenter was simply spitting nonsense.
@ChrisInIndy06
@ChrisInIndy06 Год назад
@@jacopobazzocchi8229 right, but I think the point the guy was getting at is that you can't buy chemistry and having the stars align so to speak
@arandomguy4816
@arandomguy4816 Год назад
@@jacopobazzocchi8229 but a good heart and mentality might not match with the other players. Ceb is known as incredibly toxic to the general public, he's a guy with strong opinions. He was kind and caring for OG coz he'd been there for 3 years and cried with them when they lost/celebrated when they won. You don't know how 5 players will mesh together until they play together
@miloufromsaigon
@miloufromsaigon Год назад
​@@jacopobazzocchi8229 Ceb is just 1 person, you put Ceb in any other team, he will never be as successful. The point of the guy is the link between players, look at the old All-Star OG, or all star EG. They were good, but not a TI champion material.
@Sperabo
@Sperabo Год назад
What he said makes perfect sense because that's what teams do in traditional sports and esports now too. You have to buy wins and to buy wins, you have to buy the best players, so you can buy all the best attributes, but you can't buy the intangibles associated with having a team that wins like mentality and teamwork. You just don't understand, be smarter.
@FoxSullivan
@FoxSullivan Год назад
Dude I've been playing this game for over a decade; seeing an absolute legend of another games, suddenly jump into this game, with all the support of other big names, whilst also adding his own share of experience from their other game careers is absolutely refreshing! Thanks for the content man, and welcome to this cursed game called Dota 2!
@Roadrunner_KZSK
@Roadrunner_KZSK Год назад
it's only cursed if you choose to believe so
@BabyDoocks
@BabyDoocks Год назад
Playing it since Dota 1.. 2006.. almost 2 decades..
@Dotafreakist
@Dotafreakist Год назад
@@BabyDoocks same here...since 2007
@FreeLooK
@FreeLooK Год назад
2006 here too 🎭
@piepiepie3406
@piepiepie3406 Год назад
5:50 the TI8 game 5 lineup. Still give me chills.
@franky3591
@franky3591 Год назад
I've watched the documentary several times already and that detail never came to mind. As it turns out, the clip at 5:40 shows both team lineups for game 5.
@adityagautam7840
@adityagautam7840 Год назад
Wow thanks
@whysopiolo
@whysopiolo Год назад
ive been watching this guy's reactions and i can see how he appreciates the game. subscribed!
@ryanlawrence1378
@ryanlawrence1378 Год назад
put some respekt on Grubby name
@kaustubhrai3774
@kaustubhrai3774 Год назад
Grubby with one of the most mature takes on the Notail-Fly incident I've heard.
@EdgarTheOgre
@EdgarTheOgre Год назад
Yes but he is wrong. No one ever criticized Fly for leaving OG, they did because he planed it for months and never ever gave a hint until the last day. An adult is not supposed to act like that. Worse, he had his contract ready at EG.
@fluffrier
@fluffrier Год назад
​@@EdgarTheOgre Not only that but he also took s4 with him to EG and crippled the team with barely any time left to find replacement before TI season. Dudes could have gone for a last hail Mary, stay if it works out and leave in the roster shuffle season after TI. But no, he just up and left his bro high and dry.
@Morgam06
@Morgam06 Год назад
100%, I hope he can make a positive impact on our community... I doubt it... but I hope.
@xLuye
@xLuye Год назад
Well, this is actually the default behaviour in a professional setting. You dont hand in your notice until you have a new gig. But its also not an office job and it gets complicated when its your friends. His condescending attitude afterwards is what sells him as the "bad" guy. I think a part of this was avoiding publically opening up on his feelings about it. Fly handled it reasonably I'd say, but compared to the warm fuzziness of OG most people would look like the bad guy.
@vitruvius7810
@vitruvius7810 Год назад
Yea i think only pro players only knows this, gorgc and admiralbulldog has the same opinion just like what grubby said.
@kyahboii
@kyahboii Год назад
N0tail has a REAL great eye for talents heck, even those superstar names that we know and look up to now. Miracle, topson, ana. Correct me if im wrong but i think he's the one who took those guys in to be in Monkey business/OG
@BruhMeme85
@BruhMeme85 Год назад
Didn't cep discover topson? He said that he scouted him because he always get outplayed by him in pubs
@Kleppmeister
@Kleppmeister Год назад
Also Ana played in the pro scene before OG he just wasn't a breakout star.
@siddharthshukla3557
@siddharthshukla3557 Год назад
topson was recommended by jerax, and approached by ceb.
@kobbarikola
@kobbarikola Год назад
Yeah was supposed to play for IG, he was also a part of IG’s second team prior to OG
@Mulukkis
@Mulukkis Год назад
The problem with how Fly (and s4) left was that they obviously knew before Birmingham that they would (or at least considered to) leave. Yet, they desided to play a big tournament with 2 guys having their minds set towards another team. AND leaving a roster at that point dropped OG into the open qualifiers... Sure it made the whole story more epic, but it's still shitty.
@godsoffice5714
@godsoffice5714 Год назад
DotA 2 community doesn't call him traitor just because he left Johan lol They call him traitor because he left the team during international, right before 3 months of international like OG would have straight up dropped out from the TI, it was an narcissistic move I don't care about this friend or that but at least you need to have some human decency, he left them right before TI was going to start, and had fight with Yohan, just because he wanted to switch teams also after EG lost he in an interview smiled unto the camera and Said I hope LGD wins this TI and not OG. So yeah his narcissistic and self serving twisted nature wasn't liked by audience and also Cr1t from EG also S4 who's notorious for betraying every single team that relied on him all came together and EG became a hatred hub whilst OG was an underdog with new standins so now with these kind of stories and character it was perfect underdog disney movie, with it's villains for people to blame and it's hero for people to praise.
@Senko13th
@Senko13th Год назад
It has been great revisiting these videos with you Grubby!
@elektron1x
@elektron1x Год назад
51:30 the whole sequence from there is just gold 🤣 I bet everyone was like "where's the boat?"
@cristib2007
@cristib2007 Год назад
It's not about leaving them hanging. It was about not talking it out... the feeling of betrayal comes out of the way it was done.
@fifofuko1864
@fifofuko1864 Год назад
Its really an anime story especially the last part is such a great ending when u know what happens next :D
@madtech5153
@madtech5153 Год назад
one of the best anime, they can make an anime similar to kings avatar with this kind of story.
@shlebben0
@shlebben0 Год назад
every now and then, I go back and re-watch the TI8 UB finals game 3, just to remind myself that that game actually did happen
@eternity6350
@eternity6350 Год назад
Such a crazy match, it feels like people totally forgot about it.
@user-cw9lf3gl6x
@user-cw9lf3gl6x Год назад
I think it was like a 2 minute long 2-man defense from ana and Topson, continued by another 3 minutes of long drawn out teamfight against LGD with 10k+ networth advantage + buybacks. That game was insane indeed.
@paXnorAF
@paXnorAF Год назад
TI8 UB Finals is a Disney Movie
@bbombastus7791
@bbombastus7791 Год назад
best game of TI8
@jjjtalon
@jjjtalon Год назад
Grubby should watch that replay
@ch1kk072
@ch1kk072 Год назад
17:20 mark, in sports, you indeed can buy strength, speed, height, etc. If you are an org with good budget, you have options to get your team a strong player, a tall player, a fast player, etc. depending on your budget and how much that player costs. This happens a lot in all of physical sports where say in basketball, if your team needs height, then you buy several players above 6'8 for example to help you out, thus buying height, same with speed, strength, etc.
@nyxebit8200
@nyxebit8200 Год назад
you just have to look at PSG and Man City with their big budget
@bryancorona7754
@bryancorona7754 Год назад
The "Are you gonna invest more time when your hearti s not in it " line is something people can implement not only in relationships but also in life. We always think about being with the norm and not getting out of the box is ok since we are already here and might as well just do it. Remember that whatever happens, if your heart isnt on the right place, its always bound to fail at some point. Every endeavor that you go on will fail if you dont put your heart in it. also Grubby is right. Theres no other way Fly can do it. If he wants it, he needs to do it. He sure does suffer the consequence now but thats also part of it. he did what he wants and even though the consequence of it afterwards was massive, he probably made peace with it.
@oramisc90
@oramisc90 Год назад
Bro that's why there is a law for leave notice (in my country it needs to be 1-2 months prior). If OG is a company, Fly's leave would destroy entire company or make the business crippling which would resulted in lawsuit. Wheter the emotions involved or not, to destroy other's life just because you don't feel like it is always shitty moved. Always.
@ins3kta886
@ins3kta886 Год назад
@@oramisc90 You have to consider the timeline. They had just finished birmingham major which is like almost 3 months prior TI. Fly leaving felt it was rushed but its because he has to do alot of things. He wants to join TI. He needs to find a team and make sure that it will qualify or already qualified. If he will join qualifiers, he needs to find a team real fast as they need to register for the qualifiers. Maybe a shitty move but it is justified.
@sho9585
@sho9585 Год назад
we already hear from Fly at the start what is he all about is he want to compete and WIN above anything else his friendship with n0tail is real but it is what he is you can see n0tail had much stronger feeling about their friendship that he would never see or think was coming to an end both have their own valid reasons but from third party perspective we will always see Fly as the traitor because he was the founder and the pillar of the team
@oramisc90
@oramisc90 Год назад
@@ins3kta886 I know there is a 3 months gap but this is E-sport team-game like every teams spend like entire year to know each other rhytm. The fact that Topson and Ana played extremely well with the rest is miracle enough. Just imagine it's not Topson and Ana, it would be guaranteed loss. I get what you are syaing tho but still.. I can't wrap my head to justify Fly's action.
@Nick-dc6yp
@Nick-dc6yp Год назад
@@oramisc90 Well I mean they are not that kind of company tho. Well with Fly's action yeah it wasn't right. It wasn't ethical to say the least but I mean if you were on Fly's shoes what would you do? Stay and probably not play TI or go to another team that you think would give you a chance of winning? I think him leaving was the best choice out of all the other choices available. I mean if he stayed it would even cause more damage since it is implied that the tension was pretty high back then.
@ryhtijorma
@ryhtijorma Год назад
I've never played Dota in my life. But i got to say this is one of the best "document" i've ever seen in my life. It feels like it's written by one of the best movie writers. Just got it recommended by RU-vid couple of years ago, as i did your reaction to it know. Not gonna lie, i've watched this "movie" like 3 times already. It's just so well made.
@xMapinjo
@xMapinjo Год назад
Topson and Ana are back in the pro scene today! They are playing for T1 in qualifiers for this year's The International.
@nick6134
@nick6134 Год назад
NoTail's "All six of them" always makes me cry ! :')
@Pmon21
@Pmon21 Год назад
thanks grbby for watching this.. as a dota fan for so long, u wanted this game to extend til my son could play this.. this video was so much emotional how many times i watched it. hopefully u stayed and enjoyed the games we keep playing. welcome grubby dota2
@Nunya1721
@Nunya1721 Год назад
@17:00 what the guy is saying is, as a team owner/manager, you can get players who are tall, fast, strong, or whatever you're looking for in a player. But you can't make them trust each other and work together well
@Roland7Spajky7
@Roland7Spajky7 Год назад
going thru a fucking shitty time, I lost something rly valuable, Grubby, viewers, u know when u lose something it sucks but when u lose something that MEANS something..ye, but thanks to you im still smilling and enjoying the videos u provide and entertain us with, thank you
@BSoDexe
@BSoDexe Год назад
Man, this was a fantastic run for OG. I love how new people in Dota are enthusiastic about this stuff. Really feels like a breath of fresh air. A pity we never saw the gold roster of OG playing against TSpirit, they really seem like carrying the torch now.
@xhighone
@xhighone Год назад
You can get a tall guy (buy height) you can get a fast guy (buy speed) but you can't buy communication (can't predict how people are going to gel), and you can't buy trust (can't predict who will trust who). This is true in baseball, football, etc. That's what he was saying. This is a popular and common mindset in sports ownership when looking for new players.
@PascalSWE
@PascalSWE Год назад
"They were the favorite but that depends on what you favor" doesnt make much sense on its own but with the part that came after its clear what he was talking about.
@bobxbaker
@bobxbaker Год назад
there's something so special when you play with a team that you like and respect and trust and enjoy just being around all just having fun, that to me is dota. you can pick any character and win or lose you have a great time just being there. the only problem with this is that it's extremely rare to have that level of friendship that all enjoy the same game you do about as much as you do. but when it happens it's just magic. now it doesn't have to be dota, but dota just exemplifies it really well. and that tournament was like just kind of proof that happy thoughts go a long way.
@hnggg4427
@hnggg4427 Год назад
Back in 2014-2017 i used to meet random people in pubs that just have fun and laughs in voice comms, so i asked them to party up and play together and it was a blast! Now those people are having their own lives, and it felt kinda lonely. Unfortunately i've never found such fun people in dota ever again since then. People just start to blame here and there, whine here and there, like there's no fun anymore with random people. Such a sad thing, really. Now i only play pubs with friends, no more random fun people.
@TheOctaviusLee
@TheOctaviusLee Год назад
New fan here Grubby, been watching your Dota videos and loving it, plus I think there's something about us being the same age that really makes me feel like I can follow your thought process a lot more than these zoomers, I really appreciated your mature take on Tal leaving OG, I'll admit I was quick to call him a traitor when it happened but there is always more to the story and I think the younger crowd wouldn't understand it like people with more experience in life. Excited to see more of your stuff!
@Romir616
@Romir616 Год назад
Really love how level headed and insightful your reacts are. Subbed.
@Dorgrident
@Dorgrident Год назад
Seeing your face expressions is awesome. imagine how tense it was, seeing this live the entire TI week. After that finals weekend i pitched a movie story of this to alot of my friends and coworkers. they could not belive this story was real.
@kurbis0729
@kurbis0729 Год назад
When he says ‘you can buy height’ he’s referring to how in the nba players are bought into teams based on height, so for esports height could represent reaction time, or some other gameplay skill. But, you can’t buy someone who you can trust and who trusts you. Edit: Also, about the first generation comment; he said the first generation of a new type of player.
@Gezajozsi
@Gezajozsi Год назад
Thank Grubby for doing these series rewatches.... brings back a happier time in my life
@Gezajozsi
@Gezajozsi Год назад
Also since you and Dendi know eachother you should really do "Free to Play" it's still my go to watch if i need motivation in dota
@Ljngstrm
@Ljngstrm Год назад
So many nice scenes of my neighbourhood of Frederiksberg in Copenhagen
@mattihn
@mattihn Год назад
Papa Ceb: "Come to Paris boys". Some love right there
@rizalfadhlurrahman6622
@rizalfadhlurrahman6622 Год назад
watching this live, so much fun... can't wait for the ti10 true sight watch party
@5fenris570
@5fenris570 Год назад
Kiev Major. The Comeback against VP with Ana on Troll Warlord. Still one of my favourite E-Sports Moments i wittnesed myself. Love that u dive into these storys. Keep it up. Following you forever i feel. I member your Housetour, must be 10 years ago now
@Samsemillya
@Samsemillya Год назад
„I thought they were also on a boat” 😂 51:39
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
XD metaphor: ^ And my head:: _
@brianfantana2725
@brianfantana2725 Год назад
Loving the reactions Grubby keep up the good work buddy! And welcome to the wonderful Dota 2 community!
@johannesandersson9477
@johannesandersson9477 Год назад
I never played or even watched a single game of Dota2 besides these movies but these guys are my heroes now.
@gabrielramirezgumucio9856
@gabrielramirezgumucio9856 Год назад
The power of video editing
@macready84
@macready84 Год назад
There it is baby! That's what I've been waiting for!
@cla55i
@cla55i Год назад
Oh hell yeah new video, i get excited everytime
@jasperpascual3195
@jasperpascual3195 Год назад
bro. how come I see you just now? what mature insights about the drama and the machine part in lgd/ good content man
@kevjun252
@kevjun252 Год назад
I'm so hyped to see Grubby watch the upcoming True Sight with the rest of us.
@mistersleep7
@mistersleep7 Год назад
OG building their team before TI8 has some real Overwatch trailer vibes. The one where Winston is calling everyone back together.
@bryancorona7754
@bryancorona7754 Год назад
wow i am early holy. also i wanna see how grubby affects increase in the number of new players, him plus ti is probably gonna get a lot of new players in the game
@CutleryChips
@CutleryChips Год назад
I love grubby’s positivity in everything
@Morgam06
@Morgam06 Год назад
I love that grabby is new to dota but, because of his background, very quick to catch on.
@stoywarshockofficial9984
@stoywarshockofficial9984 Год назад
Finally reacting to this documentary... Love your insights and opinions Grubby
@lolstrup
@lolstrup Год назад
Defending the "you can buy speed" guy, he's just making a generic sports comment. You can buy fast, tall and strong players for money. You can't buy team trust and synergy.
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
Yes, that makes sense when you compare with traditional sports athletes, I see it now!
@lolstrup
@lolstrup Год назад
​@@FollowGrubby Great! By the way, it's been awesome watching you get into Dota. We actually met at one of the first Copenhagen Games events way back. I was with AurorA and got to meet you and your lovely wife. You're a big inspiration and generally cool dude. Thanks for the content ❤
@tesafire3
@tesafire3 Год назад
Grubby you should rewatch the full grand final from TI8. Really incredible games for both teams. Really beautiful dota. You'll learn a lot about the game and respect how intense those matchups were in those games as well.
@milospopovic4878
@milospopovic4878 Год назад
17:14 he meant he can find tall and fast players, because those features are very measurable on a get go. Trust and good communication are not so easily measurable as they are team oriented features and when you're assembling a team, you can only have a good guess at start. You cannot really simulate a tournament pressure. I could be wrong, but I think that was his point.
@egrassa1480
@egrassa1480 Год назад
He understood it after, but decided to make fun of it anyway. Idk why
@michaelchen4317
@michaelchen4317 Год назад
I think no. Speed, height, strength but not team and communication, this is directly related to the Olympic motto, faster, higher stronger-together
@viniciusrodrigues2930
@viniciusrodrigues2930 Год назад
They picking they favorite hero in the grand finals is absolutely insane confidence!
@michaelcerrone8403
@michaelcerrone8403 Год назад
When the guy quotes that "you can buy speed, you can buy strength, you can buy height" he means in constructing a roster you can go pay the necsssary money to get the physicals you want
@BlacknightRavens
@BlacknightRavens Год назад
Amazing!! I recommend watching Dota archives too, especially The Buyback and Gyro Diffusal. It shows how good ana and topson really is in Dota.
@Stavportpolio
@Stavportpolio Год назад
Amazing work on the explanation, trying it definitely
@awightman1221
@awightman1221 Год назад
When he said "you can't buy speed, you can't buy strength" etc he was talking about physical sports where you can pay more for a faster or stronger athlete but that doesn't mean you can trust them.
@Otsgekee
@Otsgekee Год назад
Best thing was that the document roasted Grubby every corner. XD
@karna6634
@karna6634 Год назад
grubby will be in ti soon
@ptakleo
@ptakleo Год назад
I was waiting to your reaction to this because I've never saw it before either 😌
@ins3kta886
@ins3kta886 Год назад
I liked grubbys pov on fly leaving og. You cannot call fly a traitor for leaving og. You have to understand that the team hit an all time low and fly realized that the team can no longer works and he needed a new approach on how to move forward. Maybe og would have worked out if he stayed, no one really knows as it did not happen. Fly did what he did at that time as he thinks that it was the good option at that time. I used to hate fly prior ti8 after the announced departure then gradually i came to understand and empathize with his reasons. Do not paint fly as the villain and move on.
@amplesstratleholm7609
@amplesstratleholm7609 Год назад
In strictly Dota terms, Fly made a good choice. OG was floundering. JerAx and S4 are still players he can count on, but carry Notail and Ceb in the midlane were falling behind, especially when you compare them to all the star core duos out there. Sumail and RTZ are among the best at their positions. Crit is a former teammate so Fly knows how he works. That group has a lot of experience in there. NA is a weaker region overall than WEU that even if EG goes through open qualifiers, they have a great shot of getting to TI. It just didn't pan out. Fly most likely knew that he's about to say something that will be incredibly hurtful, and S4 would have to follow Fly's lead in how he'll handle the message. That's probably why not much was said. Anyone who hasn't moved on should move on. Fly has already paid his penance when OG won the two TIs after he left. He's made his bed and is lying on it.
@karna6634
@karna6634 Год назад
3 sentences is long tho . esp if theres no one else speaking in that room .
@enso8762
@enso8762 Год назад
Very hard to understand for stans.
@muhammadmuneeb5214
@muhammadmuneeb5214 Год назад
Its not what he did that was wrong,its how it was done.He could've told the rest of the team that he would be leaving but he basically just gave them a surprise,leaving what was left og to die.
@madtech5153
@madtech5153 Год назад
i agree on moving on but disagree on not calling out fly's action a traitorous act. its sad though that people have still not move on after 3+ years after OG winning TI8. OG pretty much ended the rivalry by winning TI since it was Fly's dream/goal. much better to do is to just ignore fly and let him do the thing he wants. TI9 was just a bonus to flaunt it towards fly (it feels good for notail without the intense hate towards fly anymore). pretty much like if you had an ex who cheated on you, you don't forgive her but you just ignore her and move on with your life. no chance of reconnection between the two and just move to their separate ways.
@_zz__Z
@_zz__Z Год назад
Love this game, happy to see you appreciate as well!
@r___n___
@r___n___ Год назад
I still believe that Fly wasn't supposed to win TI win Notail, he is the one pulling Notail down. He said that he didn't trust Notail anymore, you don't do that to your real friends. Then this OG won solely on blind trust to one another. Their biggest strength is their trust.
@wow1371
@wow1371 Год назад
The Fly S4 situation is not too hard to follow imo. S4 at the time was one of THE biggest names in Dota 2, a prior TI winner who was considered one of the best mid laners in western hemisphere. He was disruptive to the team by all the comments about him from other team mates and hints that OG members have dropped. He seems like a nice guy, so I don't know what is the deal, but he has been accused of being snobbish by more than one team, it could also be his Swedish sensibilities (or lack of, considering we are not great at it here). So his presence gave the team a lot of prestige but it was also expected that he probably will not stay as he was constantly swapping teams after Alliance fell apart. Fly was not only the best friend, not only a part of the OG mindset, not only the captain but also the part owner of the team. And he either was told and tempted by S4 or found out that S4 is leaving, and got in contact with EG about joining them...WITHOUT giving the OG leads, team, his friend, anyone except S4 a heads up about his decision...right as the TI season was starting. This is extremely unprofessional because he isn't only a player, he also the captain, and co owner and his partner is the team manager and his partner is also going to exit the team with him. Here are pointers to take in: - If you are already going into a tournament with the prospect of you are about to head into a new team and play the next tournament with that team you sure as hell aren't going to be playing well with your current team, because you don't even care. - You are the captain, the captain is supposed to lead in the good times and bad times, for fuck's sake captains are synonymous with being expected to go down with the fucking ship, not bailing the moment they feel the pressure. - Your life partner is also involved with the team as the manager and is responsible for basically all the needs of the team, from being the contact person, to making sure the needs of the team are met, and she is also going to leave with you. AND YOU STILL ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEAM YOU CREATED IS GOING TO HAVE A BACKUP MANAGER WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE FOR ANOTHER TEAM? - Also you don't sell your shares, but transfer it to your partner so that you still rake in the money from the team you are abandoning, effectively milking the cow till the last drop. - Not to mention, your best friend, the one you call your brother is in a vulnerable state in his personal life and you are fully aware of it. I don't know man, this isn't grey, this is very black and white, the man made a decision knowing his decision is going to sabotage the team. Why isn't anyone mad at S4? Ana has left the team abruptly multiple times, JERAX, Ana and Topson all are playing for other teams now, no one has any issues with it. Why is that? Because none of them had the position of Fly, none of them did what FLY did, it was a clear betrayal weather anyone likes it or not, it is what it is.
@eb1504
@eb1504 Год назад
Well said man, well said
@kitemerie2276
@kitemerie2276 Год назад
*All six of them* This hits me. I miss this one friend of mine, we're the ones who play dota among our friends. He plays mid and I'm support. Man those good college days. We play as long as we can, really missed those. We both now quitted dota and took our own paths in life. Those were the good times. *It's best to play with friends* win or lose.
@adarshmohanty9074
@adarshmohanty9074 Год назад
Biggest anime betrayal in eSports history
@DOTABaddie
@DOTABaddie Год назад
Enjoyed this! Recommend you watch the TI finals between Navi and Alliance, I rewatch every few years.
@johansonbomba
@johansonbomba Год назад
I think it was misunderstood when the dude said you can buy speed/height. Say in the NBA, as a manager/owner, you can scout/trade for players who are taller, more athletic, or quicker. Getting a Shaquille O'Neal is way more expensive than a random 7 footer from your neighborhood.
@thegreatestbasher4584
@thegreatestbasher4584 Год назад
ITS HARD NOT TO CRY!!!!!!! I'VE WATCHED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES NOW STILL MAKES ME CRY 😭😭😭
@ErickMartinez-uh9wi
@ErickMartinez-uh9wi Год назад
what a great story of OG, and watching this again with Grubby so much better
@JohnSmith-pn2vl
@JohnSmith-pn2vl Год назад
OG turned last game into a pub, what a Boss move to just pick your faves!
@acmadmirza7078
@acmadmirza7078 Год назад
been 4 years, then i saw ur game made me want me to play dota again
@exciting-burp
@exciting-burp Год назад
This team found and solved so many ways to not win TI. Such an awesome story of guts. Sebastian is the definitely the GOAT, what an awesome human.
@jsmith0330
@jsmith0330 Год назад
IMO, this is by far the best game tournament I've ever watched. The whole time I got goosebumps and just hearing them and watching from a screen, I felt their emotions. A group of ragtag that somehow found each other and turned everything upside down and proved the world wrong. Although what happened after TI9 was sad, everything has to end at some point.
@benadams2565
@benadams2565 Год назад
This is one of the best takes I've heard on the issue
@bass5445
@bass5445 Год назад
great to have a balanced view on the whole n0tail - fly thing. Good vid thanks Grubby
@tiltMOD
@tiltMOD Год назад
I love hove how Grubby laughs like Admirall Bulldog at some points 😂
@jericoaricayos9725
@jericoaricayos9725 Год назад
Thank you again grubby for reacting to this beautiful team. I can't wait for that day that valve invite to be in TI.
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
Invite me? Hell yeah
@jericoaricayos9725
@jericoaricayos9725 Год назад
@@FollowGrubby yeah invite you sorry man I forgot to check my comment but I really would love to see you in this year's or next year's TI!!
@rayaaningram5587
@rayaaningram5587 Год назад
@16:46. What the guy was saying is that you can buy speed as in a fast player, height as in a tall player and strength as in someone who is strong. He was refereeing to all sports because that is what scouts look for. But you can never buy loyalty.
@CarlJung666
@CarlJung666 Год назад
Fun fact. Sumail the TI winner at 16 yrs old was OG carry of TI10 along side topson in mid, notail, and ceb
@ragnamotzon466
@ragnamotzon466 Год назад
I never realised how much hate Fly was still getting. I'm 100% with you for all you said about the Fly situation. He is a toptier player and he try to go another way to TI.
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
Might be big part memes
@reveriesend4668
@reveriesend4668 Год назад
That part where Ceb had them come to France was the reason why people treat Fly as a traitor. Ofc he knew going out that way would leave the organisation in a mess. Ok, maybe his heart wasn't there anymore. Sure. He should have told them that's the case, and he's going out, but not in a short shocking manner like some teenager heartbreak. Make time for his old org to slowly replace him, since the issue was clearly not just about you feeling you're no longer on the right place. (There's probably a bit of internal politics between them here, too, which I won't talk about). Doing this at this exact timing of OG's lowest point ever could have broken the organisation forever. Fortunately Ceb stepped up to... kinda power-grab OG via the hole Fly left. It was necessary, as NoTail clearly needed the time to heal and grow up. This whole TI8 OG story, in the end, turns out to be a story where this person named Johan Sundstein grows up to be a man.
@Banana180
@Banana180 Год назад
I always played Dota 2 player since Beta, but played a lot less for the last at least 5 years (probably 100 games per year). Watching you play last week sparked the joy of playing the game again and I played around 50 games in 3 days. It's a treat watching you play
@Morgam06
@Morgam06 Год назад
Watching a gaming legend like Grubby get into dota and learn to love the game like I do, this feeling - is it pride?
@Marc-yh6dw
@Marc-yh6dw Год назад
This was crazy man, this took years to complete from 2012 upto TI18
@ClovissenpaiDotR
@ClovissenpaiDotR Год назад
Crazy to think how long ago ti3 was. When illusions dealt full damage to buildings
@weopkasdkopasdpkasdkl8065
@weopkasdkopasdpkasdkl8065 Год назад
Buying speed, height, and strength is referring to teams in other sorts that will pay large amounts of money to pay for the best players in the in order to stack their team so that they have as little competition as possible.
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
Ah so I’m as unknowledgeable about sports as he’s about esports
@weopkasdkopasdpkasdkl8065
@weopkasdkopasdpkasdkl8065 Год назад
@@FollowGrubby no worries at all! Enjoying your content greatly and happy that you’ve gotten me back into Dota2. Started watching you when you were playing aoe 2 with viper. Started watching your WC3 content because I used to play that when I was younger, then when you started playing Dota2 went along with you to that.
@GeofanyAndhika
@GeofanyAndhika Год назад
I still remember watched that final game on my senior college year Me and my friends went absolute banana when OD shout CEEEEEEEEEEEEB I lost 50K IDR to a bet with my friend but damn, those were really good games
@Venomous-ex
@Venomous-ex Год назад
I went bald back then my guy. That game surely bite lgd fan a good chunk, great game tho.
@Kruzluk
@Kruzluk Год назад
Hey man love your content ! Especially your take on Fly. We assume him as a traitor but he is actually competitive sort and wants to win above all. As he said OG is "victory" and "friendship", Notail is the friendship part but Fly is the victory part and, for his own goal and career, he had to take a decision. Now I m not telling Notail and the rest of OG didn't suffer, their feeling is leggit 100%. But you know when I see the look of Fly after he lost to OG, I don't see sadness but more like "regret". Lot of things must have gone into his head, before, at this moment and after. And maybe he tought that OG didn't win because of him. Must have been hard for a competitive guy. But anyway thanks to that we got one of the most epic story of E-Sport so far. Love those guys and as French man I was happy to see Ceb at the top !
@RolfReibach
@RolfReibach Год назад
Smart commends and analyze of the drama. I can support it 100%! Also beware of burning boats :D
@ashasenjutv9079
@ashasenjutv9079 Год назад
This is the context for the TI8-TI9 back to back run. Grubby would appreciate more how great this team is. Against all odds indeed.
@CrzyLion
@CrzyLion Год назад
i swear dude notail has the most entertaining and essentially true quotes of any pro dota player
@ayuvir
@ayuvir Год назад
Hey Grubby, think you could do a retrospective video/stream where you comment on how you played when you started the A-Z challenge compared to now? Would be pretty cool.
@FollowGrubby
@FollowGrubby Год назад
Yeah sounds good
@high_fever8538
@high_fever8538 Год назад
What a Great story to carry on with.
@diporasyid
@diporasyid Год назад
"the height-buying guy" lmao, i kept laughing every time he showed up after that speech 😂
@CarlJung666
@CarlJung666 Год назад
Fun fact. Prior to final games, rubick won the arcana vote
@fruitbasket7505
@fruitbasket7505 Год назад
"Buy speed, buy strength" He meant you can buy talents like in sports you can buy and sign up the tallest, strongest, and/or fastest athletes and form a team but you can't buy team chemistry.
@aishvetorah5704
@aishvetorah5704 Год назад
I remember just casually driving in the highway at philippines seeing a giant ad board " OG CONGRATULATION " xD
@taiki-kun7229
@taiki-kun7229 Год назад
grubby gave a good point about fly living OG. good job grubby handling chat.
@dokanyon
@dokanyon Год назад
Are you going to stream this year's TI man?? It's gonna be awesome (the Final at least)
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