@@exart8409 I find I have to make so many more decisions with him vs just playing smth like sigma. You're trying to simultaneously protect four people whilst also aggressively trying to prevent ranged characters from acting freely, all whilst thinking about whether you'll survive the jump
I told my brother about the backwards Lucio wall ride and he said, "why would I want that??!?". I had no words lol *meaning I could not believe he did not understand the implications
its just overall more freedom and fluidity in movement, i dont see a disadvantage to it unless you are not gifted at videogames and you cant grasp what is even going on and that would confuse you
As a support main: learn where health packs are. Pivotal information. I am one person trying to keep four other people alive. Sometimes - SOMETIMES - I can't get you right away. You're off in a corner - safe - and I'm trying my damndest to keep the tank from buckling under the pressure, or cover the movements of a critically endangered squishy. Target priority is a thing for supps, too, and there are enough health packs on most maps that we are very often a short jaunt away from one. Grab a health pack. Seriously. Or at least don't spam me for healing. I see you. I promise. You're just not important right this second, and becoming less important every time I see that chat line. It's especially aggravating when we're a 3 second walk from one, and they just... don't wanna do it. Or I hope they simply don't know.
Appreciate the honest critique on my take! Admittedly it was constructed in a way that was maybe meant to spark a tiny bit of saltiness to get my impressions up, but still lol. And again I'm not a crazy player by any means, peak D1 by one tricking Soldier, so I don't mean to sound as if my opinion is 100% correct, just wanted to show that there's more nuance to the argument of soldier being easy to climb with, which is something a lot of ppl say in my comments lol
Your take is good, soldier is really difficult to climb with because he has like no burst. No one gets mad at a "lucky" soldier player because it doesn't exist. Tracking is harder than flicking imo and soldier dps is pretty bad, as well as the fact that finishing kills before someone gets healed or moves behind cover is hard. Sojourn has good consistent damage, but she has the added benefit of just instantly deleting someone from pretty much all ranges, something soldier can't do
4:07 god I wish I had a button to say "go grab a mega" for situations exactly like this one. Only one support healing the tank who's still in the fight while the dps safely disengaged and is hiding around the corner spamming for healing. They're not in immediate danger so im absolutely prioritizing other people
Here’s the problem with what you just said the nearest mega is in the room around the corner where the enemies are he had 40 HP he could easily get one shot by most abilities It was either risk running to spawn in getting killed. go around the corner and die or sit there and wait for your healers which he did
This is the correct response. As a support playing, teammates shooting at me does actually get my attention, but I'm usually looking around for them in the first place. Flats has the right idea, and your call to get a mega is solid, but I think Flats was unreasonable in his response to wanting healing. Again, I play supports, and could make MANY clips of a DPSer LoSing me without any chance of rescuing him, and I'd 100% prefer this Sojourn than them, and I don't think Flats even considers things like that. Saying he has an ego for wanting heals is just kinda dumb.
@@ultru3525 Ok that kind of logic is what's going to get you killed. Waiting for heals there was perfectly reasonable, whether or not I agree with them making a tiktok to insult their healers.
@@3lit3gn0m3 So be it, even if Mercy can’t rez you in time, it’s right outside spawn, you’d only be out of action for like 12 seconds. Not to mention that if he was paying attention instead of shooting his teammate and looking sad, he could’ve caught the healing orb Moira threw his direction when she came out of spawn.
I love that different people see different uses for the same ability. Sigma's eat can be seen as a rotational tool AND a way to get out after going silly mode. Sure it might be better at one thing than the other, it still gets the job done pretty well in both cases. I think thats cool game design
I would like to say that brig is my go to for completing the numbers weeklys because she's a support that can do a good amount of damage, healing, and mitigation.
Personally I go with either lucio (cuz I love that man) mercy (cuz I’m trying to learn her so that I too can be a nigh unkillable sr71 blackbird zooming around at the speed of sound), and zen (if I want to go pew pew but the “all” queue has decided I must play support.)
You're not wrong about dps should be targeted first because even outside of competitive dps mains seem to have the least amount of game sense. Had a Torb player complain about dying and in my mind I was thinking how are you dying so fast as Torb. Not that Torb is op but he has good survivability, his turret can be used in a variety of ways and his gun has no damage drop off. On paper Torb is harder to kill than most dps.
I agree for the most part. But settings for some heros are kinda a personal thing. Show me 20 top Lucio players and I'll show you 20 different keybinds lol. Some use right click for jump. Some use it for melee. Some use scroll up for boop. Most use scroll down for jump in addition to another button however it's primarily only used for one ticks and floor jumps. Dude has probably the most widely debated keybinds of any hero 🤣
I've been the DPS at 2hp, drop down to get the health pack, only for my Ana to not only snag it, but try to 1v5 the enemy team in a hallway instead of just heal me real quick. Then literally stare at me and keep walking. But i've also been the support who keeps hearing "I need heals" and having zero clue where it's coming at only to find it's some Genji so far out of my LOS he's practically in another map. It happens.
i love how the lowest ranks have the highest egos, i didn't play a lick of OW 1, picked up OW 2 cuz my buddy was top 500 tank in OW 1, loves it, and recommended it now that it went f2p. thoroughly enjoying it, great game, but i'm still low ranked and everybody just yells at each other and flames everyone, i just sit there every game like "y'all, i don't even have 100+ hours in this game, you're in my lobby too, we're all bad, stfu and have a nice day
If you want value as Hammond he is A tier. When you want CONSISTENT value as Hammond, he is S tier. Unironically every single one of the techs is either useful or necessary, at least in this point in the meta.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 oh I would never actually advocate a character without a damage option. I'm just saying I like the design of zenyatta that much that if he didn't have a damage option he'd still be fun for me
As a new Overwatch 2 player and 100h+ Kiriko one trick, my experience is: It’s pretty hard in the beginning to actually getting valuable good and climb with her in solo queue so I don’t understand how people could suggest her as „good to climb with“. Yes, she is S Tier in high elo but absolutely terrible if you want to climb out of low elo because it’s hard to carry with her. You can absolutely make the difference if both teams are on the same level but if your team sucks, there is nothing you can do about it. It’s not like with Moira where you just can destroy the entire backline and win alone with 40+ elims. I know it’s not a surprise but it really helps a lot to play with at least one friend as a support.
I really wish the tiktoks weren't so fookin quiet most of the time. Flats is ACTUALLY screaming in my ears because of how much I need to turn the volume up to hear the tiktoks properly
When people mention soldier they never mention how he was the only hitscan in the game that got his damage nerfed in ow2 Back in ow1 he wasn’t as oppressive with 20 damage and a 50% sprint speed and all hitscans had an equal chance in a raw duel against him Now in overwatch 2 where every hitscan is untouched except him he has a disadvantage in any hitscan duel due to his lackluster damage especially against pocketed hitscans. And because they also nerfed his sprint speed to 40% combined with how faster the pace of the game is now his mobility also became lackluster. I understand that some might think his old damage would be broken but if that’s the case atleast buff his sprint speed or any other stat that would give him a purpose. For now he’s literally a worse Ashe and sojourn
I actually disagree with the idea of giving any buffs to soldier. He's consistently good in all ranks and has such a high potential for value despite being easy to pick up and play. Ashe arguably is harder because without good aim, allowing you to hit headshots, soldier wins in a duel every time. He has his biotic field, too, meaning that he realistically has an advantage in most duels. I say all this as a salty Tracer main, where it feels like I can swap to soldier at any time and do twice as good for way less effort. He seems very easy to do well on imo
You know. I think the Overwatch Tiktok commu might be getting smarter. Besides our friend RacoonMan, the tips and advice on tiktok seems to be getting better since Flats isn’t raging.
I’ve been playing Brigitte a decent amount and honestly she’s a lot of fun! As long as the team sticks mostly together the inspire definitely pulls its weight! My sister decided in quick play to nano boost me when I used Rally and that had to be the most fun I’ve had xD You just run through people and you basically become an unkillable tank for a few seconds, it’s great!
I remember asking my friend “how do you wallride backwards??” When I first touched Lucio after watching Redshell wall skim backwards. He just kept saying “bro just hit jump while moving backwards”. I kept doing it and I couldn’t go backwards unless I attached to the wall and faced backwards. Eventually I realized there was an ENTIRE SETTING that they don’t tell anyone about, that entirely changes the game for Lucio.
I noticed this too, DPS are the priority targets now since the move to 5v5. U go for dps, unless if they’re pocketed by a support, go for the support until they die or run away and leave rhe dps vulnerable for u to then kill the dps.
I love people who honestly say that every team they get in every game is bad. Statistics proves them wrong 100% of the time. And as Flats said one time, you improve your chances of winning none the less by A LOT by just not tilting or flaming and just playing your best as that way, at the worst, you can have 4 bad players on your team. Noone can look me in the eye and tell me all their teammates suck every time.
11:05 the reason i think flats (i saw an owl coach talk about this when vod reviewing owl games) is because in that position sigmas projectiles can reach the very corner of that wall in front, but i dont think its viable against all comps
The Mercy in that second clip may have been internally screaming, hoping whoever they’re pocketing will just take some fucking cover so they can go heal the Sojourn.
Ana would easily be S tier if not for kiriko. Both her sleep and anti are cleansed, and without those two, ana just can't do much. Anti has always been an extremely important part of her kit, and if say 25% of her anti's aren't actually in effect (taking into account nade's cd, suzu's cd, plus the kiriko being busy for other things), that means that ana's functionality drops, as a big anti nade can render certain teams useless, especially if you get the supports and healing characters like hog quickly. But kiriko can just get rid of that by pressing a button. This is obvious for higher ranked players, but some people just can't understand hard counters. This is the same reason junkerqueen has been bad. Her entire kit was based on something kiriko can get rid of.
I like how chat is a responsive ai that reacts to whatever flatz says Like they'll assumr he'll say something is bad or wrong, chat will make the early assumption and make fun of the tiktok, or not say anything And then they'll completely change their opinion and agree with whatever flat says
That soldier take reminds me so much of when one of my friends tried to tell me that he was actually one of the hardest characters in the game and so on
Hitscan in my opinion are the simplest dps heroes to play. But within hitscans soldier requires the most game sense as his kit revolves around finding the right position at the right time to get a kill since he deals relatively low damage with little burst options. meanwhile someone like Ashe can sit on high ground and dish out immense burst damage that either gets picks or forced cooldowns
Yeah what ibraxiv said! Soldier is definitely not mechanically demanding in the same way someone like Genji is, and he's not hard to pick up. But I think it is much harder to play an impactful Soldier as opposed to an impactful Ashe, due to his lack of burst damage options
@IbraXiV-_- ya that's what makes him difficult. He requires very high mechanical skill, and if you can reach master+ with soldier then your aim is really strong. His range isn't that good, tracking targets mid to long range with him is difficult as fuck, and he can get dunked on close range by a lot of characters. The only way to get value with him is just having insane aim if you want to climb
4:26 This is the stuff that makes me rage as support. You're obviously not going to get healed if you choose to hide behind your healers. I know you're crit. I heard how much damage you took. But I'm not gonna abandon my focus on the main fight because you're too afraid to be a part of it. Never mind the amount of team fights we've lost because the person I'm pocketing with half hp suddenly gets scared and decides it's my turn to be the meat shield.
I am a low rank support. And maybe what i do is wrong. But in that scenario the tank was more under pressure than dps. So i would probably try to keep the tank alive and only later when tank is "safely escorted out of the bullet pathway" top up the dps. When half a team is dead i would just try to keep alive the person that is in most danger and/or actively fighting. It is part of a support role to judge "who needs help". And my judgement might not be perfect. But if you have time to cry in a corner for heals.... You are probably not the person who needs support the most.
@@ettelen4781 Pretty much. A person who can't be seen by the enemy team is less likely to die than the guys who's fighting the entire enemy team. The priority seems pretty clear in that instance.
@@ettelen4781 You could also take the decision to just let your team die so you can safely start the fight again as a team. If you use damage boost on whoever's fighting you can also farm ult and do this.
4:31 I thought I was the only one who hate thsi especially the spamming in chat. Not to mention in the time you say there and spammed “I need healing” in the chat you could’ve just taken 10 seconds and just grabbed one of the MANY UNUSED medkits on the map
Another thing about the entitled DPS clip: Judging from the state of the fight, the main reason Winston was alive was because of the Mercy healbotting him. If Mercy stopped healing Winston to heal the Sojourn, that very likely would've meant the Winston dying.
True but winston should have disengaged, moria and junkrat died, and sojourn was to low to fight. They were missing half their team whereas the enemy team looked extremely healthy.
@@Hthe "should have". Metal rank support life. Tank and dps expect heals, they are more important than whatever you're doing, pay no attention to the position of the others in regards to supports and if they are getting healed, take it as a challenge to stand in the open of as many enemies as possible so they can do a bit more dps while needing 3x healing.
I’m a support main and I used to be basically a Moira one trick in ow1 (very disappointed in myself Ik) but ever since ow2 I’ve basically dropped Moira and have become a bap/zen main. With that I’ve gotta say zen is definitely A tier because his picking potential is insane and his discord is filthy. He’s so much fun to play as and so rewarding when you hit your shots and volleys on people.
I didn't know the backwards wall jump was a thing before watching this and others videos you posted about tiktok I would definitely love that settings video lol
As a support main Brig is hands down my go to every single time the other team uses Hog. I've went entire matches ensuring Hog doesn't get a single hook. Every time that hook comes out I whip shot him. What's even funnier is when I pick Brig my team usually cries and asks I pick something else. Yet by the end when they realize Hog never hit a hook and I healed way more than anyone else on the board they shut up really quickly
@@wusaint that's an exception, not a rule. If you see the entire top all being sojourn, you can see she's good. But one brig only proves that she's bad.
@@patrickstar1164 things at the top reflect playing around the current metas. That's going to change and shift as tweaks are made. It doesn't make other characters useless. Yes it might mean that there's probably a better choice IF you play said better choice. Hell Brig was that meta not too long ago. She's still a completely valid hero. Arguably her weakest point is her ult. Compared to Kiriko, Lucio, or Ana her ult is meh. The rest of her kit is great though.
Nobody is talking about it, but that Solider:76 Video, he is legitimately hacking. Like, that's actual hacks, he will snap then turn into super smooth perfect tracking on center mass. Like watch it again hes actually hacking
I desperately want Brig to be buffed. The number of times where I have been killed by riptire or Sigma's primary despite having my shield up and facing them directly is unfair. I can't hardly secure kills unless I'm in ult because by the time the person I'm fighting is low, they get an itty bit of healing and finish me off. Brig is a melee character that sucks at melee, which makes absolutely 0 sense. Give her 5-10 more damage and 5 more healing on her inspire, and she would be pretty good. Alternatively, give her a weaker version of dooms "The Best Defense" so she can generate that overhealth for herself when she isn't in ult, with a reduced maximum. I'm not a high ranked player by any means, but it shouldn't take 6+ hits for a melee character to kill a mercy.
Karq has a video with all the settings for all the characters with graphics and stuff. Really recommend it for new and returning players it did help me a lot
flats forgot about stage 2 of low elo it happens sometimes when the other team has a tracer thats killing you over and over and you cant deal with it so you make your entire team come help deal with it then you enter phase 3 .....shot the tank again and make no progress recapping the point you just loss chasing a tracer to parts of the map no1 knew existed
I appreciate Flats' commentary on Diamond+ gameplay, but anything below diamond is pretty much 100% 2 healers pumping tanks 24/7 - it's a war of attrition sometimes.
Finally a top tier player praising my baby Brig. she was literally meta before the season 1 junker Queen nerf without any changes herself so idk how anyone can say she sucks. Even in the hog meta I have a lotta fun with her cuz she can inspire off of hogs fat body and boop hog away if he hooks a teammate. She can also shield bash away if she’s hooked to avoid the one shot.
Yea always when im playing i more usually kill the dps first, due to the majority of dps not having any kind of sustainability and the supports being hard to kill (the tanks are also hard to kill but to try to kill the tank first its never an option)
This Sojourn from 5:20 clips is save a former Paladins Player. And its a low rank one. In Paladins its kind of easy to heal nearly everyone at the same time if the team plays proper and you have the right healer. So they are so heavy used to it, that everytime they dont get immediately healed, they start crying.
I talked with my Wife about why I think people (QP/Bronze) can't seem to grasp the concept. I personally think it's the stats that are shown vs OW1 stats/cards at the end of matches. There is no stat for Objective time to show the team. There is no score that people can look at that provides value to what needs to be done in a match. Imagine instead of total eliminations it shows how many tanks and DPS and Support you killed. Objective time, Support saves, ANYTHING that makes the entire match Teams see what everyone is doing. This would incentive people to learn what needs to be done to make those stats look good. but now? Heal/damage/assists and that's about it... it promotes doing nothing but kill kill kill and less of being a good TEAMMATE. the only other way to fix this is to talk to your team when things are going to shit. I have major anxiety for some reason when it comes to in-game chat/comms so I don't and if fucking blows.
I agree that brig is highly slept on. She’s obviously not meta but since most people aren’t overwatch league or top five hundred, meta doesn’t matter. I’ve been stuck in gold recently and decided to try out brig just because I like her. And since adding her to my most played heroes, I’m now diamond five. Just gotta play her right. And for any pc players, I’m on Xbox and I play for fun, so that’s pretty good for me.
Brig is really good if you can play right. Got to hit those combos. I'm also on xbox but Brig is one of my mains since I started playing comp. I even managed to defeat a Winston in primal rage
in my opinion sigma is the soldier of tanks, he can do a little bit of everything but not a lot of one thing. He can be effective at nearly all ranges, he has a shield, he has a stun and a sustaining ability. That's why he's able to be picked on so many maps similarly to soldier. Orisa is a better sustain, rein is a better shield and hog is better damage and stun.
I have an strange idea for a tier list Ranking characters based on theory not practicality. For example Hog is a mid tank, he has great self healing and his hook lets him one shot most heroes. However he only has his body to tank unlike Dva's defence matrik and Reinhardt's sheild. He also has no movement abilities so it's easy to flank around him to fight the dps and support. The idea of this tier list isn't numbers and how good they actually are, it's just listing the characters health and abilities and rating how good they are in theory. I think it'd be fun and an interesting discussion
I stopped complaining about my support and started actually watching my replays more. I found out a lot of the time I was out of position and in the middle of the enemy team when I died. Since I've s watching my replays I've climbed out of bronze but haven't been able to play to get out of silver yet.
Damn if Brig gets meta I'm gonna be so happy. Recently been relearning her from her OW1 self, and I can definitely see the nerfs. Hope she gets just a lil more juice on healing or damage or displacement anything tbh.
Why do so many DPS have 2 modes; Spam "I need healing" when missing 10HP, or never hit "I need healing" and wonder why they're not getting healed? Just hit it once, at worst they'll ping "come here for healing" so you know where to go. Hit a Hello or Thanks on heal, and everyone's all good
Flats is right. Today's meta is kill dps - tank - support in that order. Altho I do love it when clueless players focus me. Because the kit on most supports (minus zen) has an escape or a CC of some kind.
i feel like that first comment about doom is actually just chipsa reminiscing the days of widow rage something about widow being unfair for 1 shoting people or somthin
Hardest tanks I know of are ball and doom as you have to master their movements and combos. For ball it's mainly combos but for doom just master movement and just spam button
Soldier is harder for some people because it requires skills with tracking for sustain dmg over flick shots. I'm good at flick shots but not tracking smooth, so Sojurn(in comparison to S76) is more my play-style than soldier because of the right click, but in the end I provide more value with Cassady or Ash than S76. I need to practice more but meh, not like i'm a pro or streamer so 🤷♂
I would CONSUME an overwatch settings video if you made one (which it's possible you already made one and I haven't found it yet but I'll keep looking) Just *one* example is that I had *NO* idea that Ana had character specific confirm option for her ultimate till I saw a confirm button in a few of the videos where you played her, and now while I'm still a horrible ana player I'll hopefully at least be able to accidentally Nano the mercy *a little* less just because of a toggled option. Love you Flats! And if by some way I missed an existing video where you did go through the options and someone sees this plz link my pc friends will hopefully hate me less after I drown myself in the KNOWLEDGE (and practice of course)
The 3rd clip with the sojourn complaining about heals... If I'm playing QP I purposefully refuse to heal people who use that fucking "I need healing" chat wheel because 75% of the time they are either somewhat near a med pack or in this case the fucking spawn door or they use it when myself or the other support are either on the brink of dying or have died and they are too brain dead to notice.
Not an experienced player by any stretch of the word. When I play Soldier: 76, I use him as any other damage hero is mostly used for; Securing kills and being the primary damage dealer (mostly to other damage heroes, squishes, and supports, and OCCASIONALLY, I REPEAT, OCCASIONALLY an out of position Tank.) but with 76, with your sprint giving you a pretty decent rollout, and somewhat of an escape tool (results may vary), along with the area of effect heal circle, makes you something of a mini support. (This is not encouraging other players to go Nurse: 76, but if a teammate needs heals, and the other supports can’t get there fast enough for some reason, just give him that little bit of heal juice) But my point being, this is mostly how I play 76, and maybe it’s not the best way to play him, but I’ll confront that if I ever go competitive (emphasis on IF) and this has been a unranked, somewhat new players opinion on overwatch on the internet, Thank you coming to my TED Talk.
I’ll probably get called a bot for this, but I’m a casual player. I personally feel like people with a high rank in comp while yes they’re good at the game, I feel like sometimes people tend to push that as “They know what they’re doing so anyone beneath them is wrong or a bot” Cause honestly, I feel like things in this game could be changed to be more welcoming and friendly to casual players. Cause I’m kinda getting tired of being smashed in Casual lobby’s because a GM or two might’ve ended up in my lobby on the other team. I wish Casual was more of a protected thing, but I’ll probably just be told to get good. Some people just seem to forget to recall the fact they were at the bottom of the ladder once. I am trying to improve myself with this game.
@@grey872 I’ve been master since season 1 of OW1. I’d say this game is way more casual friendly, but as far as the bot comment. Think about it like this, you are getting the opinions of experts in their craft and when novices say well this is correct(and while it may work in novice areas) it doesn’t mean it’s actually right. There are some things you can abuse in lower rank and those same tactics will have you losing every match in higher ranks. I had a bronze buddy in OW1. I played a match with him did things I didn’t even think were possible to do(standing on top of enemy bastion as sombra dancing). So when someone from that rank tells me “dude this is so strong” I remember that moment and say…. No you don’t know what you are doing.
@@justterrell956 I'm not talking about takes that are from an obviously bronze player. Some takes he disagrees with can arguably go either way but if it has even the slightest hint of q non perfect argument he goes hard on it. I'm not talking about players who say mercy is a pocket tank healer.
@@SongS0ng I can agree he does go hard on some takes that he could go lighter on, as far as this video goes id say it was pretty straight forward and nice.
