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imo tanks need a cooldown to at least negate cc for a few seconds by how much cc they eat as a whole

I still think it’s ridiculous that Rein/Doom can’t counterpin him.

*Always have been.*

i dont hink that is a solution bc that would make kiri less usefull anlso there is to much CC in the game as of rn, so even with this it would not change that much. bc the enemy would learn not to use all theeir util at the same time.@@aldonavarrete987

Well, we got an immovable force with Orisa. It's about time we got our unstoppable object.

I’m glad I’m not the only one, it’s so fire

Midtown may be mid, but it's theme is far from it, shit slaps

Me having a 4-hour leaver penalty because I disconnected multiple times and got back in the same quick play game.... doesn't do the deed in terms of letting me play the games more often and it's not even my fault I don't even want to leave the game. The only players that got fockddd by this new penalty is the ones with kinda wonky connection. I can totally live with less experience points but don't prevent me from playing. please because often my my friends or random players don't even realise that I'm gone and there is a different ana aiming at their cheeks 😅

I experienced this all the time well before the ban was implemented (Asia servers are MUCH worse than west coast in terms of leavers). Someone could leave in the first minute and no backfill for the rest of the 10+ minute game. It’s a little better in west coast so I think part of the discussion is muddled by people assuming backfill fixes the problem

Well some people telling that it's a bug. So when you start a match lobby disappears from finding games and won't reappear if any team lost member/members. Same stuff with comp but it's even worse, since it can kick you from game and won't let in.

both of those have nothing to do with the leaving penalty 😭 thats like saying "i hate how ever since i updated to windows 11 my catalytic converter keeps getting stolen"

@@cooltwittertag it's been ages since it's been fixed, but nah, you either had to wait out games with a permanent leaver/multiple leavers or make sure you didn't leave enough games for the penalty. It was definitely a coincidence at the time, but it did not make it feel better at all since it constantly occurred.

i can assure you that people don't leave due to win rate alone, thats just a useless number imo. if people are leaving games when they are almost over, its due to lag OR getting frustrated with a team that cant do shit. sometimes its okay to leave when ur getting rolled and cant do anything but feed

Imagine caring in quickplay tho 💀

Hinestly same Like dont expect ppl to literally guide you baby steps to victory and learn how to work on your

I always report all leavers via chat log in QP and I always recieve notice from blizzard that they took action with it 🫣

@@horokai imagine being this much of a lil bitch in a simulation made of pixels 💀🙏

Well when you are the only tank your job gets a little harder since everyone else has a backup. But let's not pretend that tanks are the only ones who suffer from everyone else's abilities. The tanks don't experience anything that everyone else does so most people feel that they have nothing to complain about. That certainly isn't true but I think that is how most see it.

@@PaulSmith-nb6md I understand that everyone gets impacted by every ability every now and then, that's how the game works. The tank however is, more often than not, the primary focus of most of the enemy team. Especially in lower elos. I haven't played Hardcore Overwatch in a while. But when I do play, I love to play as a tank. It's been my favorite role almost from the beginning of my play time. And I know I'm not a GM player, I'm not sure if I'm even diamond. But I do know the game very well. I've been playing the game for a long time, and I've been watching from almost the beginning. And I would love it if the diminishing tank player base would finally be listened to more, even if it's just a little bit. I genuinely love this game, and I hope that it gets the love and attention the devs have been giving it, for many years to come.

@@darkfant0m_x260 I hear you. Prior to supports being so buffed and where getting slaughtered they heard the same things tank players hear now. I play both tank and support so I have heard it from literally everyone at this point. I love the game too and I wished they would go back to 6v6 since at least it allowed tanks to have more freedom of choice in how to engage

70% of the time it's probably just an annoying, junk, mei, reaper, sojourn, sombra or tracer targeting them. Or probably had an internet or electricity issue

Ranked matching AND qp deserve tweaks. I hate it when people are so simple minded that if one thing gets attention they think the entire company is working on that one thing. I think the lesser of two evils is people halfassing a game vs going 4v5 off spawn since they had a good Widow and your Pharah/Junk don't wanna swap, just leave. One is way more toxic most of the time, whereas most people wanna win and try their best

Actually had a game once where the entire enemy team left after they lost the first fight. The only person who stayed was a Solider. This game ended up lasting the entire time length because people backfilled but would leave at some point. Eventually he got a team to stay but it was too late into the game for them to make any headway. When they said that some people leave 90% of their qp games I didn't have much of an issue with the penalties anymore.

I have several issues with it. 1) based on what the exec producer said, qp is basically supposed to just be comp lite. 2) if qp is basically comp lite why play even have qp? 3) since the people who leave don’t see qp as serious if they want out they will just soft throw (I have done this). 4) ppl complain about sweats in qp and if is not intended for ppl to be sweaty well, the leaver penalty and what dev said in the interview are just going to enable/justify the sweats more. I’m sure I have more but I just woke up.

There should honestly be another gamemode, it’s called “quick”play for a reason. They should add an “unrated” mode to be the sweaty non ranked mode and not have as much punishment for leaving a game when you are playing it for the “quick”ness

And because of supports and immorts, tanks are often losing value, because their ults are getting countered into the ground by cooldowns.

Not entirely true though. You don’t need to play maximally when your damage ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB. The game is easier on everyone when damage create pressure for the tank to claim space. But all those games of tank feeling like you need to carry through the nose is because your damage are chipping at the enemy tank, using the same angle and space you already occupy, and expecting you to claim space from nothing. What compounds this are supports that fail to prioritise healing where it is needed or tunnel vision. You watch the replay thinking ‘WTF is he doing?’ seeing a Moira sucking an enemy as her allies die in her periphery, a Mercy doing aerial tricks while damage boosting ignoring the critical HP tank.

​@@sinistertoady6712this makes my job as support a lot worse too because it makes my heal-damage ratio need to be skewed heavily too healbot status. Especially for hungry tanks like mauga

@@cnnr_ I've also played support and its dumb, like if you play kiri you have to save your cleanse for tank, 90% of the time because the one time you cleanse someone else like a slept dps, your tank gets anti'd and dies, then you lose that fight. Its bad on every count but its worse for tank because there isn't anything you can do except pray, that your supports have a cooldown for you.

Sometimes you have an off game and it’s matters a lot less on the other 2 roles because well you have a partner in that role who can pick up you slack, but with tank if you have an off game it’s just a loss. Also with tanks because of the lack of a partner it’s much closer to a Rock Paper Scissors game with counter swap because there’s only one variable and it just makes the role so much less fun because it can devolve into that if both tanks are equal in skill.

Being backfilled is MOST of my QP losses in OW2. Every 1 in 3-4 games used to be a backfilled, followed by a loss as I get dropped in with around 5-10 seconds left in the game. Not enough time to build a meaningful ult charge, or attempt to coordinate with the team. My W/R in QP has skyrocketed up since the new changes banning leavers. Im getting backfilled less, and Im able to enjoy longer, more meaningful games. QP should be the place to relax or prepare for Ranked. Leaving just negatively affects players in both angles.

Well I’m glad someone actually noticed a benefit. It feels to me (on a personal level) that despite people complaining about the penalties they still quit just as often

If I want to chill with rein in qp and I have to face orisa and 3 tankbusters I'm leaving, I can get permabanned, I'll leave every time

@@silviobleta6846 And you know what? I will happily backfill that game if there is still time left to play it. If there is even 1:30 min left on the clock I will not complain. But if someone leaves in the last 20s of the Match because they are too afraind to see the defeat screen and force someone into that match, then I am just all too happy knowing they will get properly punished now.

That or loading into a game, and loading into the enemy team's winscreen. That was always fun.

When you read the Baptiste short Mauga has a shield kinda like those tank bots in the training range. He was 100% meant to come out shortly after the short story

And as someone who is regularly annoyed by being down a player for 10 plus minutes, I see it as necessary (the problem is even worse in Asia servers than west coast, I play on both). And the thing is, leaving and trying to join a new game when you’re down a player is not something you can really do because you’ll just have the same problem the next game. It’s not that I take qp as seriously as ranked, it’s just literally unplayable when you’re dealing with an epidemic of leavers. I want to play the game. Leavers make that impossible

Yeah but the ban just isn't it. I hopped back on for the first time in a couple months and got a bad audio bug where the sound would cut out and then spike every 10 seconds or so. I left the game to see if it would fix it, but then got a 15 minute ban for my 1st leave. Immediately just left the game and now I don't even wanna touch it. As much as it sucks to be back loaded into a losing game, there's ways to fix it without severely punishing the plays that want a casual game mode. Have players join at the same time and make the afk timer better. Push leaving players into a longer queue for the next game or just make it where you can't que till the game you left is over.

The thing is if you are going to punish people for leaving a casual game mode at least give us the option to choose which games we want to play, maybe I don't like flashpoint but I'm now forced to play it because otherwise I get a 6 hours ban

Banning people doesn't even fix the issue, most people will just troll the game cause they don't care about the map or the game mode, I rather have a leaver and the chance to get someone else that be stuck with a troll the entire game

@@cheeseeygamer2997 making it so you can’t queue until the other game is over is an idea. As for you getting the ban on the first leave, math ain’t mathin, possibly the ban itself is bugged because it doesn’t seem like that’s how it’s supposed to happen

I used to be a tank/support main in ow1 because they were the "chill" roles imo. Play support: healbot. Play tank: stand there with shields. Obviously it wasnt optimal even back then, but it felt so easy to get value. Now tank is the most stressful thing ever and support are just dps with heals. I ironically started playing dps now because I somehow feel like theres less pressure. Never thought it would be this way.

I started in overwatch 2 so i am not as qualified, but if you are playing any tank and don't have good healers you are useless. I play tank alot, and I always pick a tank with a healing factor or some way to get over health.

@@losttrader1170 I think thats not really an issue with needing good supports, but more a low elo thing where people dont play their roles "correctly". Its common in lower ranks for both supports to just healbot their respective tanks and for the tank and dps to focus the other tank. The team whose tank dies first loses the fight. That can make it feel like its the supports fault but its not really. I think its also a bit of the big stats = did well mindset a lot of people have. Especially as a tank there is a lot of stuff you can do that when your team doesnt take advantage of It feels like you are useless. Mainly creating space. If your team doesnt actually go into the space you create because they dont know to use it, it will look like you are "feeding" or "overextending" when you are just doing your job.

@@tobiasbayer4866 I see the point your making, focusing heals on the tank is bad, i don't like when my healers do that but its crap when I kill 4 out of 5 enemy team all by myself without heals, and the final one kills be because my healers refused to heal. I do my best not to reley on them but when i need it, i need it. Its really annoying taking out the enemy team, dying and seeing that my team didn't even take the point or move the payload, if my healers couldn't help me thats fine, but when im in line of site and they are attacking the enemy rather than send a drop of healing my way it tends to make me want to switch to another role. This happens in most games i play

@@losttrader1170 I would recommend rewatching you own games through the replay viewer. Usually you arent doing as much as you think you are and your team is doing more than you think they did. However If its true, then yeah sticking with self heal tanks is good. Although I never had that problem. Usually the problem for me is to much healbotting instead of my supps also going for kills, like they should.

Thats a very good point! If blizzard is using work as comp practice, then we need an actual just fun game mode

What do you mean Blizzard is the one doing that? I've seen Flats and many others of his friends before say that if you're trying a new hero you shouldn't go into comp with them because that's throwing. Not even only on newly released heroes. Let's say someone never played Tracer. These streamers say: don't go into comp with Tracer because you'll be throwing. So of course QP turned into Comp V2

quick play is comp practice, they have how many other casual game modes?

Hm, 6+ people in a game with multiple objectives and chaotic fun? Sounds like TFC/TF2 to me.

i hate it when widowmaker uses a sleepdart on me

Or just add another tank

​​@@Asynurrjust move on and accept that we're not getting this, they changed the engine to work with 5v5. The best we can do is try to not make Tank a masochistic role

@@bopply2616 badly written, just tried doing examples of the sleep dart timer

@@Asynurr at this point 6v6 might actually be worse since tanks only die so fast due to them being a main focus who have niches, if 6v6 were back the whole tank lineup would change so we don't have a hog pulling the front line into death while a winton is attacking the backline or any snipers.

Real

I really hope that Space Ranger ends up being a fun mobile utility support hero and not just another dps disguised as a support. I mean our last support literally only had ONE supportive ability and that was a turret that does healing for you. Her other options are shooting a nuke at the enemy team to make them all explode, or pushing all the enemies around her away and changing positions to shoot said enemies better. Considering Space Ranger’s unique role of being a actual flying airborne support however, she will probably be very unique.

Another speed boost support would be cool. Like a brawl focused one as lucio is pretty dive heavy.

The bap/illari/LW meta healbot meta we just came out of was like the most boring overwatch has ever been. If zen/lucio becomes meta, it’s gonna be so much fun.

@@BrokenSkunk bap Illari r NOT healbot hero’s. They r the Dps supports. Lifeweaver sure

Tank is still really fun and by far my favorite role. I legitimately do not understand all of these complaints, on my main account I'm a doom otp and the counterswapping doesn't even annoy me. It's like suddenly tanks have decided having to play around disadvantages is too hard. Like yeah bastion melts winston, but bastion is a terrible DPS and will be getting bullied by your tracer/genji/sombra all game. Also waiting out a 12 second cooldown is not that hard. The only legitimate complaint for the tank role is that ball should get a small buff and the people who complain about too much responsibility in the tank role (which ironically is normally the same people who complain they don't have enough impact on their games). In my experience counterswapping is almost never even good compared to just playing a solid team comp and good heroes.

Literally this. People will always demand others to swap instead of swapping themselves. What, you are playing Pharah and the other teams have hitscans and your teams comp cant Support you? Well my team should obviously all swap to accomodate me specifically!!!

Sounds about diamond to me, telling someone to go Winston into ram because he can shoot through armour

for every game's system there is too much power in movement where it removes the challenge from the game. For example, celeste with 4 dashes would be, overall, significantly less balanced a game and the entirety of the level design would need to be reworked around the increased mobility. I assume the intent is that mobility creep in overwatch is starting to eclipse the need to aim, the stability of the netcode, the map design, etc. I agree in that I love games with incredibly complex movement, but at a certain point it would require redesigning the rest of the game.

The problem is how the mobility is given instead. Bap for example has a good mobility but not great for escapes unless there's a high ground no one can reach. Mauga has a good mobility tool for disengage but is relatively slow and he can't use it to traverse long distances without incurring some risk of being shot at. What are examples of movements that are not fine you might ask? : Kiriko, the ability to tp is strong. Super strong. A good sym can make use of her teleporter which is just a shittier tp amongst all the tp abilities if she uses it by herself and despite that, if used properly is still strong. Reaper TP is slow, makes him vulnerable, and is easy to spot and he requires los much like Sym. Now what does kiriko have? An easy to teleport button that doesn't require los, is almost instant, gives her invulnerability on tp and after shortly and can fucking go through walls. That shit isnt fine, and that shit goes as far as Reaper tp. And the only condition is what? Have 1 person in a 35m radius? As far as im concerned Kiriko should never have the ability to tp through walls. Or have that much distance to teleport. It should always be either have a wind up to teleport, have a los requirement to function (cant tp through walls), or reduced distance by 20m. Then what would make Moira's super fast instant wraith not OP as a movement? One might even think. Its that it is OP, fast movement on a short time with jump tech for additional distance and you're invulnerable with self cleanse. The only thing that would make it better would be it can phase through walls(that would be so annoying tho). But in the case of Moira, shes limited by her kit and design. Kiriko has the ability to almost 2 tap most of the cast, has suzu, has wall climb with her tp, she doesn't need all that, its why she's unfun to play against. Moira has fade, succ, piss, piss orb and succ orb. Thats it. Thats her entire kit. Its why I'd consider her mobility fine. Given a strong ability but 2 decent but not fight changing abilities. Ana is a better example of strong abilities as well, she gets 0 mobility skills since she has 2 fight changing abilities that rival ultimates in efficacy, so she'll get 0 mobility (yes im aware pumping both cc abilities into 1 tank ruins them.) Also, swiftstep is on 7s cd. Makes you think huh.

​@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolongThis. Who ever designed kiriko is just a dumbass. Kiri has everything you could wish for In a same hero.

​@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolongI was playing a game the other night with my buddies. I was trying to save one of them but we got cornered and he died. I had to dip and dodge just to enter the range of my other teammates. Got away on literally 2hp. Kiriko tp is insanely powerful but only if you have forms of communication or good luck

so one of the best things is being able to use movement and mobility to outplay others, but mobility creep isn’t a bad thing? to me, having heroes be outplayed not because of skill but because one of them released later on and has more mobility is a very bad thing.

I actually really enjoy single tank (but I only play quick play so...), but yeah, Sombra and the others are the worst

Do you remember 6v6 ? Double shield was a problem but do you remember hog and ball. Or GOATS. All these these metas came from powerful tanks. The best meta of them all was probably dive. All those metas wouldve never came into fruition with only one tank. Yes overwatch 2 has had a bunch of bad metas like that hog and doom meta or mercy sojourn one shot meta. But it doesn't compare to how miserable the game was during ow1.

That's a lot of words to say "I don't understand anything "

​@@DanTheSupportyou are talking how some metas were shit. He is talking about how the game is shit. Thats different you know?

@@DanTheSupport OW1 was never miserable because of the metas. OW1 was miserable because of how long said metas lasted and because there was no content to shift them. If OW1 had the exact same season structures and content released OW2 had, it would have a been a much better game. Don't mistake the lack of balance and content to be 6v6 flaws because they are not. The only reason OW2 didnt have as "bad" metas as OW1, is because it is a game that gets updated frequently, unlike OW1. I guaranteed you if OW2 had the same update rate OW1 had, the soj meta would have lasted a year and everybody would be begging to go back to ow1, if they werent already.

You really dont though cause you made this comment

You might, but the masses don’t. The number of times I get told “skill” issue for being mad at being counter swapped for the 10th fight in a row (every fucking fight) is insane

@@Pes._ what?😂 How do I not get it? I'm not a developer I can't change the game?

@@assimilater-quicktips sounds like it IS askill issue then, if your playing tank you HAVE to counter swap, flats even says it if you want to win, counterswap. That's why tanks not fun

@@itsalittleloud7799 do you watch flats? A monkey can counter pick, it's NOT skill

Is still say the movement’s still nerfed since they added the sympathetic recovery, and it’s kinda even worse now compared to season 3. Yes, the basic GA is reverted back to what it was, but the real bad thing is how you’re considered to still be in a GA when using tech, and cancelling early, such as a small extra bunny hop to reposition, effectively still giving you the S3 cooldown, and in reality, 2 different cooldowns. So that’s another that goes to the list of Mercy changes that Flats is wrong about, as it’s about as far away from a net buff as you can get.

Ok why that shit that kinda deserve for her own stupidity of trying to drive a a game that needs internet whys yours keep cutting after the first time she should already already new the was a problem but after the 2nd time should it already a sign to stop and wait to see if the connections get better after a little bit

I’ve been thinking this for a while. Fully agreed. (Also Ana sleep is 5s for squishies, 3.5s for tanks. And they need to speed up the actual wake-up animation, at least for tanks, as well-it’s absurd how much damage you can take from a sleep you immediately wake up from even when it’s maybe 2 or 3 people looking at you, which isn’t out there at all for tanks).

it goes into ot to see if a team can push further but if both teams walk of point then it becomes a draw

My only two issues with hero bans are that they would make some heroes perma banned. Ana and Kiri being the main candidates since Ana simply outright shuts down a lot of characters while Kiri is overhated as of now (I'm telling you, as long as Ana is S tier, Kiri will be as well, but she's an A tier as of now). Bastion would never see the light of day again and other tanks will go rampart as their counters are banned (Hog would go feral without an Ana for example or Orisa without a Zarya, etc.)

Quite literally one singular mistake as Ram about two minutes into a Silver comp match that didn’t lead to us getting TK’d or any loss on the objective that wasn’t recovered has half the team jumping down my throat opening the door for one DPS in particular to spam “tank diff” over and over any chance he got. We weren’t even getting rolled, they were just legitimately a better coordinated team (not to mention they had better DPS’s, but given how our team was acting I don’t think that’s a surprise to most), and were able to win fights consistently. I remember straight up asking the guy in voice, “Why would this make me want to really try and play better for you? What results are you hoping to get here by being like this?” and was just met with those same eight letters in chat over and over and over again. I’m completely done with comp until the rework. Tanking was and still is the role I enjoy playing the most, but there is zero incentive to continue playing it or to attempt improving at it in any meaningful way, like in real, competitive game scenarios, when this is what you’re met with, regardless of your efforts, and regardless of if the person behaving this way is even doing *THEIR* part. This isn’t even coming from a defeatist “I can’t handle people being mean to me so I won’t play at all” position. It’s me going “why should I bother wasting my time like this?”

The problem with that is in low bronze (where I am at the moment ) people swap to counter you, and if your stuck between 2 heros you just get stuck being countered or unable to do anything.

Only 2 swaps on a swap game? Thats killing the game ngl

I mean if you got hit for that it means you already left a few of your last 20 games already

@@sixsam154 but I haven't? I didn't even leave a game technically and it suspended me?

I find this so funny, like, they're being too careful, dial ot back a bit lmao. Sniped

So it’s not a “problem” with “how” the bans work, there’s a bug you experienced. Very different world, and changing how you talk about it will lead to less confusion ( including for yourself) I would assume this was a one time thing, if not you might consider submitting a report to blizzard?

@@assimilater-quicktips yea know that you mention it probably is just a bug but that just sucks I hope it doesn't count as a loss

I rarely ever play QP. I was on alone the other day so said id jump into QP for a bit. It was just as sweaty as my comp games and it was taken just as seriously by my team. I didn't go there for that. I guess arcade is the new relaxing zone?

@@ofrenic Thats the thing: I dont want to relax. I want to have a challenge. What I dont want is to try to win at all costs.

I'm just anticipating Widow and/or Hanzo being banned every game

​@@ServantOfPuppetswhy would someone waste ban on those?

if the devs do hero bans we can all point and laugh since thats admitting 5v5 is a failure and they couldve just done 6v6 with some hero bans lmfao