Oxalate Dumping: How to deal with it? 

Way to go. Thanks for sharing. It helps

Same. Decades of "healthy eating". Now with early kidney disease can I take Potassium safely as I dump oxalates?

Ingrid, this happened to me by accident also. I wasn’t eating many vegetables but since I didn’t know about oxalates, I didn’t realize the other non vegetable foods & supplements that contained it and those may have been what dropped me below the threshold at which dumping begins. In hindsight, I was dumping gradually without realizing that’s what it was. I then overdid an Epsom salt bath which caused a massive dumping episode flooding my system with toxic oxalate . It has been 14 days now of relentless dumping and managing of the secondary problems that result from electrolytes being depleted. I am having a lot of heart Irritability especially at night when histamine is also being released at a higher level. How did you manage? Was the dumping gradual or severe? Did you add back any other low med ox carbs or did you tough it out staying BBBE only with the exception of the dark chocolate to temper the dumping episodes?

​@kmb3011 this sounds so scary, how are you doing now??

@@trix4487 I ended up at the ER 2x with scary heart related episodes but of course by the time I was seen I was not in the middle of an episode and nothing was caught on monitoring and they didn't believe me when I mentioned oxalate dumping...but I have been able to get the dumping episodes under control by following an animal based diet that adds back in small portions of low to medium oxalate at each meal and supporting my body with minerals, primarily magnesium every 4 hours and some calcium, potassium, sodium ...but the magnesium always calms down the heart palps/racing heart. I have since discovered I also have a Mycotoxin issue that apparently can be tied in with the oxalate/histamine issues so trying to find a specialist (virtual/online) that can work with me through all of this. It's all so bizarre and overwhelming 🥴

The B1 you’re taking what is the natural be one form or the oil based B1 form or both? I learned a lot about the difference from synthetic to natural to oil base from Dr. Berg.

I’m there now

I don't think the doctors you saw were suppressing knowledge. They simply aren't taught these things in medical school and are not aware of the root problem.

I was also on the road to self destruction (almonds, spinach, etc.) Found Sally Norton also. Good luck!

Tom, did you have any heart issues like irregular rhythm when you experienced this? What did they do for you when you were in the hospital? I have been battling a recent unexpected massive oxalate dump with the majorly of my symptoms being heart rhythm issues and severe head to toe burning pain. Now the urinary symptoms are starting and I haven’t slept for 14 days cuz of my heart issues. I’m now on a heart monitor and struggling to implement all of Elliotts supplement support but get exhausted I have almost gone to ER but fear that too so tough it out on my own tweaking all the supps and adding back in Med and high oxalate to decrease the severity of the next session. What were your primary issues that landed you in the hospital and how did they remedy them? What is your way of eating now? Do you still deal with the dumping episodes? Thank you.

9/10 doctors study the run in the mill medicine, they don't go deep into the human body and its metabolism, it's basic medical treatments for common symptoms, oxalates are not widely know in the medical world, I've spoken about it to a doc here in Greece, which has world class doctors, he had never heard of it ... 😪

I’m guessing you are in UK. No-one in NHS is allowed to mention or admit any truth about: dental mercury covid vaccines etc. There are clearly “unmentionable” directives on all these. Honest organisations without secrets to hide don’t need whistleblowers. No NHS whistleblower has ever been invited back to their job.

You're brilliant!!! Thank you so much.

Hello. Do you need to use all the supplements together? Do you know which ones should be taken on an empty stomach and which ones should be taken on a full stomach??

Omg, thank you, thank you! I was getting so frustrated 😠 trying to pause the video to get all the info. Thank you, again!

What about veggies? I eat cauliflower n broccoli n they help me alot I find ! Alot of oxalates ?

That's still pretty long lol

Bone broth doesn’t convert into oxalates, wherever did you hear this? I’m sorry but this is total nonsense. Depending on how it is prepared bone broth can cause histamine issues for some people, but amino acids and minerals cannot convert into oxalate crystals, it’s physically impossible.

Same here. I didn't really believe it until I went keto for a couple of months (during which I ate lots of nuts and chard!) and now carnivore and experienced many of the symptoms myself.

Thanks for the heads-up regarding the bone broth. I was just getting ready to order some - maybe not a good idea.. Also, I have a long history of irritable bladder. Several years ago I went to urgent care thinking I had a UTI and they prescribed Cipro. Within 24 hours I had neuropathy in one hand that lasted until I went on keto a year ago. I have since learned that when my bladder starts burning to take D-mannose, a type of sugar that we can't absorb and makes the bladder lining slippery. Usually one or 2 capsules will take care of the irritation.

@@lindabirmingham603 Cipro drains your body of magnesium. It probably threw your thiamine levels out of whack, too, due to thiamine's close association with magnesium.

I had these exact symptoms when I lowered my oxylates. I thought I had a uti/sti and I also started getting heart palpitations in the middle of the night. It was so bad I thought I was dying. I had some magnesium and ate some carbs. It went away. It was so bizarre

I agree 100%!!

I’m in exactly the same position: dealing with histamine intolerance and oxalate dumping. Was doing Keto for about 3yrs when earlier last year everything changed. I started experiencing intolerances to the food I had been eating years prior. I also started having diarrhoea and also developed a lot of the oxalate dumping symptoms. I’m even inclined to believe that this caused my eventual leaky gut … Last December I decided to go carnivore. Needless to say, Many symptoms subsided. But it’s the dumping which I’m having to deal with every now and again, lasting for days. Things like diarrhoea (which is also another symptom when body is trying to adapt to carnivore high fat metabolism), skins rashes, joint pain and swelling (usually my fingers), red eyes and feeling like there is a grain of sand. Burning sensation in my thighs etc. luckily enough though, the blurry vision stopped as soon as I went carnivore. But I’m not sure how sustainable or healthy is staying on carnivore long term. I’m concerned about cholesterol and electrolyte imbalances.

Look up Dr Nadir Ali on RU-vid about the cholesterol. Mind blowing!

Have a look at Sally K Norton. She is a scientist and also a dietitian who has her own website about oxalates. She has tons of studies along with a book that she wrote about oxalates. Highly recommended

@@brothercaleb We’ve been told many lies about cholesterol. Look up videos on carnivore nutrition. ❤

Tulsi Milkthistle Quercetine Helps balancing the gut out. I did do omad Low histamine food And supplements. After two days i felt different now after two months my life is changed so much. Wish i knew this decades ago.

Update? Did the pain go? or rashes etc

@@Mr.Mirage_YThate it when they don't update

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I use "Stone Free" it's the cats meow to KS.

I herb has one with the potassium magnesium and calcium citrate in it.

I had heart arrhythmia that for the most part went away after I started taking a good b-complex.

Glad it was helpful!

@@EONutrition so is it good to have oxalate food or not?

@@jivory6131 it’s better to have very little or non, at all. Spinach, sweet potatoes and almonds are very high in oxalate, stay clear of those. Dark chocolate, as well. I went cold Turkey, and went through hell. Then my sweet cravings got to me, and I binged on chocolate. HUGE MISTAKE. I went through “dumping hell”, again. I would suggest to slowly start removing oxalate foods, from your diet, starting with the high oxalate foods, first. Sally Norton has a lot of info on oxalates. Her book, “Toxic Superfoods”, has a load of great info. I’m reading it for a second time, right now, and taking notes. Hope this help! Best of luck, to u. 😊 oh, and I found that adding the electrolyte supplement, LMNT, helped out TREMENDOUSLY. If this is something you’re interested in, I have a referral code, that will get u a free sample pack with your first purchase. (That’s through the company.) u can, also find LMNT, on Amazon. That’s where I tried it out, first, just to have fast shipping. Now, I get it straight from LMNT. Either way works. Take care!

@@PR-pe9oc it's all about proportion you still need that in your body as a nutrient. Take a nutrient test

@@jivory6131 my vitamin levels r, actually, on point. I have an autoimmune disease (ms), and any type of oxalate causes “flare ups”. I guess some ppl can handle it, and some can’t. Definitely, not a one side fits all….

Agree!💯

Incredible

Update?

@@Mr.Mirage_YT had all kinds of dumping symptoms for about 7 months! Most notable were the artificial feeling of anxiety and extreme brain fog. I'm now completely over it, and the interstitial cystitis has also dissapeared. I think that was oxylate related, it got worse during first few months. I feel a lot better now, much more energy mentally and physically. The only oxylate foods i eat regular now are boiled peeled red skin potatoes. Otherwise I'm pretty much animal based with a little fruit.

@@GoodVibesOnly1914 You started low ox diet to get rid of IC? right? if yes then when did it started to vanish off. I dont have IC but my health isn’t that great nd i am underweight too. 25 days ago i started low ox diet nd went on carnivore plus gym i gained 1.5 kg weight for me in a month it is very big deal until 3 days ago i started getting wrist pain nd finger pain plus feet pain nd one time itching for straight 30 mins. Pain is like it comes nd goes but it is shooting pain, i thought i had nerve damage or something came to know it is oxalate dumping but idk how much long it will last? Any tips for my journey? like what helped you go thro these pains symptoms if you had thru this low ox diet.

@@Mr.Mirage_YT if you are actually dumping, the pains could certainly be from that. Its something that can cause practically system-wide disruption, literally little shards working thdir way through all your bones and tissues then your immune system trying to get rid of them any way they can. Oxylate formations also hold all konds of toxins and latent bacteria/viruses, it can be a wild ride. I did a lot of research and it was a bit scary going through it. Exercise and hot baths 100% exagerated and accelerated dumping symptoms for me. I still continued strength training but i dialed back intensity and frequency. Recovery took a lot longer. I had been dealing with increasing chronic fatigue and constipation a for almost a year, and then mild IC, which eventually diacovered the oxylste and candida problems by trying a low ox diet, and then also trying kefir and it showing me i had the candida problem. It was kind of a wirlwind and i dont remember the exact order or what caused what, but eventually realized those were my two main problems. Oxylates were definitely a longer and harder journy. I'm 36 and always been ripped and very good shape, been strength training for nearly 15yrs and always ate whole food diet my whole life, starting at a strong bill of health it still took me about 9-10 months to feel normal again. The ONLY thing that seemed to help me was when the symptoms got too intense was a square of dark chocolate, eating some oxylates throigh the process makes your immume system stop digging them out of your tissues and focus whats in the blood for a bit, i would do this to get through work. The IC got a lot worse after i started low oxylate diet, i think the oxylates in diet initially caused it, but then my urinary system dealing with a flood of oxylates during dumping made it even worse! After about a year it went away when the other symptoms wained. It may be a rough few yeara depending on your age, starting health, and previous diet. It goes in different stages during the process, seems to start with skin and over time gets worked out of more dense tissues, even bones. Hang in there. I didnt do anything for the pain because i knew my system was already stressed so didnt want to make it process anti inflamatories, just toughed it out. Exercise would definitely make pain and dumping feel like it went away during and right after, but a few hours later, probably just happy chemicals, but always got way worse shortly after. Lots of water, rest, and keep some chocolate on you to control it. Sally norton and eliot overton are a wealth of info on the subject. Sally even dislodged and reactivated lyme the first few months of dumping. I had a feeling around month 2 something like that happened with me.

3 months??? I just went from basically a high-oxalate whole food vegetable diet to a strict carnivore diet overnight and thought the oxalate dumping was only a week but I've been feeling like I've been poisoned and inflamed. Im 8 weeks in. Could I still be dumping?

Its been 6-9 months of dumping for me! @@justinjennings9840

@@justinjennings9840Update pls. are you okay now? the pain etc pls update

Same here. All my ear piercings got severely inflamed to the point that one of the ear rings tore off the ear. It took me months to figure out what's going on in my body. Thanks to these videos available free for information. I am managing better . But some nights I have oxalate and histamine dumping and wake up from sleep with pounding heart . It's all getting better

@@bluej6127update pls

This doesn't exist in the U.S. either.

@@velocitygirl8551 I just gave up about explaining that to them, i still dumping but i'm much better with this video tips.

I have this too! I rub it away but more comes back. At least it’s getting out!

Thanks! I am wondering if the skin rashes I had when I had Covid were from oxalate dumping as I was so sick I didn't eat much for almost a month. I have been having some skin rashes recently as I am reducing veg. Chances are, this is why.

update pls. did you able to get out of diseases you has b4 oxalate dumping

Hang in there. Learn all you can. You Tube doctors can teach us a lot. Finding a local naturopath sounds like a good idea. Hope you feel better soon.

You can slow down the video by pressing on the icon top right that looks like a gear and choose play back speed to make it slower (or faster for those very slow talkers).

Glad to help!

Were you able to start with the 100mg dose right away without side effects or increase in dumping? Or did you have to start with 1/4 capsule and gradually move up?

Oh, my God.

so, if only white pepper kept you on 'track' and prevented you from going into oxalate dumping, then you can efficiently use it as one of the means to control dumping, that is, so that you don't go too far, right?

Oh no! I thought black pepper was the source of oxalates, white pepper was listed as LOW oxalate.

@@never2hard2startfresh yup, you're right, white pepper does appear to have a considerably lower oxalate content

@@never2hard2startfresh yep it's lower than black. Removing this triggered my body to go through a cycle as I had zero oxalate coming in

@@TheBaronessOfBeef Wow…crazy how we can be so sensitive to removing just one oxalate containing food…I am also new to carnivore and realizing this oxalate toxicity has been an issue for me for a very long time. It was just the severe dumping episodes that came after carnivore that made me aware just how sensitive I was.

Glad you think so!

@@EONutrition Absolutely! I think I finally have an answer to years of suffering with gut, skin, vision issues & misdiagnoses…not to mention an explanation for my current severe dumping crisis I am trying to resolve. I need to connect with you for more individual coaching and am curious if variance in oxalate sensitivity can be genetic as my kids seem to have similar issues as did my Mom, but my husband eats super high ox and has no gut or skin issues. I now understand the histamine and low potassium connection! Also curious how this might tie in with MCAS? Thank you!

It depends on your genetic kidney function, and how bad the levels have got.

Doing a heavy metal detox helped me so much with oxalate dumping symptoms. It sped up the process so much, I cant recommend it enough although I must admit during the symptoms were intense, but Im glad to have it over with.

@@sinnisstarleriche1220 Can you please share what was your heavy metal detoxing protocol?

@@ff-ti7nj I used a rife machine. The Spooky2, also very useful for many other ailments.

@@sinnisstarleriche1220I have the Spooky2 Rife machine as well. Did you do the standard detox protocol at regular strength? Did you do it during a dumping episode?

I too react to MSM 15% eye drops, I found they work if applied to the upper eye lid, because MSM is transdermal you get the benefits without the burning.

Exactly. I don't know who has tough eyeballs, but I once took some drops recommended on RU-vid - and the people in the comments were raving about them. I decided to try one eye first to see how it went. It burned like nothing I've ever known - plus it further damaged my eyesight in that eye. ⚠️ BEWARE OF RU-vid INFO - especially when it comes to eyes.

Thank you so much for your helpful comment. I have eye issues from this oxalate thing, too, and was about to order these based on the video. Will reconsider. Thank you so much 🙏

@@cathrineii696 hi, thanks for those kind words. Don’t know if it will help with your eyes but I learned beginning of this year about caster oil and have been using it around my eyes and face, well body too now 😂. I don’t put drops in my eyes, but around the whole area including the eye lid area when I got to bed. It is a thick oil. Some people like to use an eye mask but I prefer without. It’s been a miracle for dry eye and my health in general, including digestion applying it over the abdomen, ears, even sleep and arthritis in the joints. I have long eye lashes but even those are fuller and same with the eyebrows. It needs to be organic, cold pressed, hexane free and in brown glass bottles. I’ve been using Bionoble, the small size comes with a dropper the large with a push down plunger thingy, much easier. I got it from Amazon in the UK. No longer using pharmacy drops. Good luck. 🤩x

What led you to use distilled water? I have read that it pulls the minerals out of your bones, which is why I use it when making bone broth.

Ive been distilling water to drink for about 7 years, I find its important to remineralise the water if I dont consume it within a day as it feels somewhat acidic after 2 days, I do this by adding shilajit

Same my diarrhea has been insane from how much my body is detoxing.

I’ve been on carnivore just over two weeks and diarrhea started day 2 hasn’t stopped yet will have to be more diligent with electrolytes and supplements! It’s so good to get this information as I was very disappointed to loose some of the amazing energy I had to begin with

I'm on week 3 and I had fire hydrant style lol. Though being so backed up before carnivore I don't care too much as long as things are going through

Watch the lemon doesn’t dissolve your teeth(enamel) like my happened

What is this foam you are talking about?

It’s just the bicarb reacting with the water

@@huna1950 not at all lemon is not doing it, but grapefruit and spinach, nuts heavy oxaltes food do that! I clean my stone build up with lemon, never ever i had sensitive tooth after but if i eat anything high oxalates my teeth are sensitive!!!

what is your proportions? i want to do this drink! thank you

@@imsaltylit3101 I wish I knew exactly what it is! I've heard that they can be an issue together for some reason, but I don't know the science behind that. Very frustrating. Thank you for the suggestion. How did you find that recommendation? I haven't seen that one!

I frequently get very itchy eyes. I usually relate it to too much indoor lighting and screen exposure, as well as lack of sleep. I have been listening to Amanda Vollmer for several years, she is an advocate of urine therapy among other things like fasting, DMSO, etc. I started using a drop of my own (fresh) urine in my eyes when the itching gets really bad, and it is like a miracle "cure", weird but true, and readily available and free of cost!

@@never2hard2startfresh Love Amanda but I'm not there yet with the urine - too much brainwashing over decades. Wash your hands with soap after you pee is indoctrination for sure. Just yesterday I learned that if you're bitten by a poisonous snake your body starts to make a serum in your urine so you can pee on the injury? Hope you don't have to drink it - I'd rather die. The deception is so deep. Lies all over the place.

@@imsaltylit3101 I got told it was histamine, but its not, its Oxalate dumping. And its FAR worse than histamine (which I've had before), the pain in the eyes from oxalates is breath-taking intense sharp stabbing as though there is glass cutting my eyes, bloodshot eyes with broken red blood vessels bleeding all over the eyes and when its bad, blurred vision and tempororay complete loss of color vision where I only see black and white. Also permanent worsening of vision and inflammed optic nerves according to my eye doctor. Histamine is just red itchy dry eyes, no comparison at all.

Can going go turkey kill you. I and a friend are doing straight carnivore but we use electrolytes

Sally is soon releasing a book 👍

@@annamaria1972She did. Reading it now. Called Toxic Superfoods where she goes into much detail. She also has a podcast with Dr. Paul Saldino, the carnivore guy. He’s who in first heard of oxalates. I was floored. I have every symptom and not one doc could figure it out and never asked me what I was eating!

How much is lots? Contents of spirulina seem good, but one should still not overdose with it. I might get some for myself as well.

Spirulina caused me to have insomnia... Be careful

True

what benefits you getting on carnivore diet? i mean from all of this you getting pain too

Well if you low it will not affect you, this mainly overload of the nutrients

@NancySmith-baker I am also interested. Are there specific labs we can have our provider order?

@@jivory6131 see my comment below .another person wants to know .

@@kmb3011 see my comment below .

I dont doubt its good :) Although magnesium for the purpose of binding oxalate is best taken orally as it can bind what is in the gut

@@EONutrition which form

just carnivore

What was your symptoms

You may need to take Betaine HCl to raise stomach acid to proper levels and/or digestive enzymes especially if you are older to help you absorb the nutrients of food and speed up digestion so it isn't sitting like a lump.

stephanie Keto person has great videos on carnivore and keto, she might have an answer

Apple cider vinegar daily. Start 1-2 tsp in glass of water on empty stomach. Also try whole milk organic kefir or raw kefir. Gut health 👍

consult with Prof. Bart Kay might be helpful.

Hey dude, look up Dr Ray Peat 🤙🏼

Have you looked into MCAS?

I struggle with this too. I've found that my histamine symptoms have got less over time as I've reduced oxalate. When the histamine symtpoms come back, it's usually because I'm having an oxalate dumping episode or something has gone wrong with my diet. I seem to remember that oxalate can destabilise your mast cells making them release excess histamine. I'm currently on carnivore too and still trying to figure things out. Reducing oxalate containing foods has definitely helped but I still have residual issues which I think are related to my body making too much oxalate itself. Removing carbs was a huge help for me but the body can also convert certain amino acids and fats into oxalate if your metabolism is wonky, like mine. Too much broth, slow-cooked meat or chicken will set me off. I'm trying to resolve this with thiamine and magnesium supplementation but I'm not out of the woods yet. Good luck with it and I hope you can make a good recovery! I wouldn't wish this on anyone!

@@Timmakesmusic great comment, thank you so much this really helps me put this puzzle together. Much appreciated man. I've been suffering for years and trying to fix my health and its finally coming together. Thank you!!!

@@hyrunnisa997 I have not I'll have to check that out!

Could be also mercury poisoning.

@@jennybadl7840 care to explain why? Curious to know

@@Oblisk Because sulfates move mercury in the body ; and doing so damages can occur.

Yes, it's a plausible explanation. I think I am dealing with some dumping after eating a fair amount of garlic. It's probably not mercury poisoning.

yes.