Shame Return Of The Jedi never got sequels... I really wanted to see full power Jedi Master Luke... I wonder what happened to Han and Leia... maybe they had kids and some of them had the force. Hopefully one day we get to see some sequels. One can hope.
@@klisterklister2367 and that's partly why I liked it but still my point remains. The Star Wars Universe is massive, why are we still hung up on some space priests and their war profiteering
@@gabrielidusogie9189 true! I agree it could be a fun idea, but also a bad one. Good idea because star wars needs some film canon wordbuilding (star trek beats star wars in that) but also bad because it could go so badly... I mean, imagine a whole movie with gangsters like Jabba the hut and that would be so boring. Would be like a feature length movie of the beginning of return of the Jedi. It could be a challenge to make it interesting.
@@klisterklister2367 true. But in my crime Star Wars flick, Jabba the Hutt wouldn't be the focus. Instead you'd create entirely new characters. Picture this. A stormtrooper decides to abandon the Empire after the destruction of the first death star and decides to become a huge ass crime lord.
Gawd, this video is so full of plot holes, it hurts. For example, it's never explained why Patrick's mother has an Irish accent. It just doesn't make any sense!
Except that the Star Wars films have always believed and shown that. Most of the characters in Star Wars are not Skywalkers yet they still do heroic or evil things that impact the galaxy just as much as the Skywalkers do.
Yep, but that was because of all the absurds complains about the last jedi. They needed the love of fans instead of being creative, like Rian was. Wich is why I think the fans opinion shouldn't be important
@@alexheisenberg8709 in many ways, a large number of the Star Wars Fandom is full of pretty toxic people, it's really unfortunate. They used to come after George Lucas for years, bashing the prequels. Now that they bullied him out of his own story, many are calling for him to come back, the same people that were destroying him for years. They just couldn't respect the creator, now we are here.
His parents are likely the root cause of his unjustifiable prickishness. Otherwise, why would they allow themselves to be seen on such garbage that would make Oscar the Grouch vomit?
My favorite critique of the new trilogy is that Kylo Ren is a petulant child that doesn’t measure up to Vader. Congratulations genius, that’s the entire point!
Fernando Giubilei Living in the shadow of your father or ancestors is a fantastic character space to explore, and fear of being a failure is actually a great complex villainous character motivation. Additionally, a person with immense power who is dangerous because of their unhinged lack of control is a fantastic inversion of Vader, who is intimidating because he is always in control. Also Kylo is never presented as the main villain in TFA and only becomes the main villain in TLJ when he kills Snoke, and that’s after he decides that he doesn’t need or want to be Vader. It’s a character growth moment necessary to make him a main villain. He shouldn’t and won’t be TFA Kylo in TROS. Simply put I disagree to the point where I feel like you’re _objectively_ wrong.
@Lt. Colonel Tanya von Degurechaff Rose actually _is_ a bad character. I pity the series for having to include her, I'm sure Kelly does deserve better. Also the mood swings are the point, he's supposed to be unpredictable. That said, *you're right,* a good concept and good execution are two different things, and your mileage may vary on the latter. I'm just saying that if your _critique_ is: "This character is exactly what this character is supposed to be" then you're clearly missing the point entirely. Any criticism about how they can make Kylo more interesting within that character concept is completely founded, and he would have to change quite a bit in order to fill a main villain role in 9, (he's "the Dragon" in 7 and 8, not the big bad), but no more than Luke had to change between Empire and Return. With a time skip they could absolutely reintroduce him as a changed man and a credible final threat, but they'd have to really solidify his motivations, and since more of the fanbase wants to see him redeemed than be the big bad, that wouldn't be received well if we're being honest. Bringing in palpatine feels more like something they need to do to get the fans, who really did not like TLJ, to get invested again, and give them the opportunity to give Kylo a redemption arc (something that I did NOT want to happen, and really can't happen believably without someone as evil as papa palps around.) I just hope the leaks aren't true or Rise is gonna be a train wreck. PS: if Kylo is redeemed and it doesn't involve Anakin's ghost showing up and telling him "finish what I started" and then he kills palpatine, it's going to be the biggest missed opportunity in cinematic history.
@Lt. Colonel Tanya von Degurechaff That's totally fair. I kinda chocked his complete madness during the battle of noth up as a momentary reaction to being rejected, seeing the falcon, and worst of all seeing Luke (The holdo maneuver was also probably not the most uplifting moment to the new supreme leader, I'm sure). Sh** _was_ kind of falling apart at a moment when it should have been win after win for him. I fully expect Kylo to be different at the start of 9 and if he's not it will be a huge failure for his arc and the trilogy as a whole. I also appreciate that TLJ added something for Rey to struggle with, and I'm hoping they don't botch her in TROS, she really needs to come face to face with the dark side and learn that her recklessness, and maybe even her power, are something to be feared, that would make for an interesting struggle for her. Fans are gonna be pissed when she 100% inevitably takes the last name "Skywalker" and is the Skywalker to rise in TROS. I would much prefer to see something with real, world-changing lore implications like a new "Skywalker" order, or her and Ben Solo founding the new Jedi together with the Sith really and truly extinct (like they should have been after Return).
Lt. Colonel Tanya von Degurechaff What’s her struggle? That she’s literally been lying to herself about the fact that she’s a meaningless abandoned child by deluding herself into thinking she’s some meaningful chosen one. We see her with rebel dolls on Jakku, she lights up when the “legends” about Luke and the force are mentioned, she attaches to Han, the first father figure she meets, and expects Luke, the second father figure she meets to fill the same role. She’s terrified of Kylo in TFA, lashes out in anger, is drawn to the dark side with no real restraint. Yes, she can use a lightsaber, but we know that she was already proficient with Melee weapons, what’s the difference between a melee weapon and a lightsaber? It’s not like she fell into a starship at 8 years old, said “wow this is almost like a pod racer” and blew up an entire fleet, or got into an X wing for the first time and survived a dogfight with the greatest pilot in history, who was _also_ a sithlord Jedi Hunter. She’s also not as powerful as Kylo: he’s the one that defeats the majority of the praetorian guard, and he only lost to her in the first place because he’d been shot in the gut with a bowcaster we saw launch people on impact in episode 7. What exactly did Kylo do to earn the power to DEFEAT AND ESCAPE LUKE SKYWALKER back at Luke’s school? Oh that’s right, he’s a Skywalker. Like the protagonist of 1-3 that was literally the force’s Mary Sue, born with more power than Master Yoda, just because. This is Star Wars, it’s a series full of huge-ass Mary Sues, and no-one would have questioned it for a second if she was a Skywalker.
To be fair, there's a lot of ouch going on. I had so many conversations at work about where you could run to if you picked up the ball from this film, and I don't feel like Ep IX did that at all.
Remember when we weren't trying to please everyone? When Disney and its directors made movies with their hearts, even if this means that someone won't like it. Remember? Yeah, good times.
Patrick, you are the dumbest person ever, just because people don't like something that you like deasn't mean you can't go around saying that no one's opinion matters and insult people for. Yet you have your own opinion, your a hypocrite, stop being a complete asshole and just let other people decide what they like or don't like. We don't want arrogant hipsters like you trolling on the internet, so please be more open minded.
Can I just mention that Finn and Rose free the animals and not the children... the children are clearly slaves... it bothered me quite a bit. They left the kids, because the animals mattered more That’s some first world Bullshit
What? You expected them to take them on the ship with them? That would be putting them in worse danger. Now yes, that is unfortunate that they didn't free them, but they were on the clock. I'm sure they would come back for them after everything is taken care of. I'm sure the Jedi probably would've began taking care of the Hutts and the crime of the Outer Rim after the Clone Wars ended had they not gotten wiped out.
ackbarfan5556 I get that... but they were never concerned about the kids... Rose got so hurt up about the animals... she didn’t even ask the kids if they okay. She didn’t even reassure the kids that they will be back for them. But got a good pat on the back for freeing the animals for a good 5mins. This whole film just felt like first world problems, that’s why no reinforcements came... the whole galaxy is just over it.
@@IsaacV24 I think you have it the wrong way around. lol. Defending bad films like Last Jedi really damaged the franchise. I'm sorry I'm going to have side with the actors that hated this movie and for good reason. The good news though is you can buy a box of Rose Tico toys for $1. lol
To me, Driver’s delivery of that line makes me think little Ben had to clean it out or had some bad road trips in the Falcon. “Daaaaaadddd why aren’t we at Kashyyyk yet??? I’m BOOOOOORRRRREEEEDDDDD!!!!!”
hahaha yes! watching this in 2022 and just cringing. It does make me appreciate some aspect of this movie more though. Coming out of the theater the only part of the movie I hated was the Space Las Vegas plotline. I'll have to see if Patrick has a Rise of Skywalker video. I can't imagine much of that movie being excusable...
NO SHIT!!! that was because of all the stupid complains about episode 8. Apparantly nobody likes that rey is nobody but is very powerful as well (totally forgetting about luke and anakin flying ships for the first time in space battles). That's why they suddenly decided that rey is a palpatine. But hey, this isn't new in star wars. Leia wasn't originally going to be luke's sister (specially after they kissed), and his real sister was going to be the main plot for a fouth movie. I'm still wondering why Lucas left all that behind
@@longarmsgiraffe0955 he wouldn't have, because guess what? A lot of people would've used one of his arguments against him: "It's a Space movie intended for children", just like what happened in his Tweet when he said "How focking dare you JJ?"
Frankly, my only complaint with The Last Jedi was that Phasma was both underused and killed off. An absolute waste of a character and her superb design.
I agree. The problem is you have to read all her side media like comics and what have you done Disney said all those things are Canon. That's why the new trilogy has all these weird references like C3PO's red arm.
@@nickcoronado898 I'm...not sure you know what a joke is? I mean, it's fine if you don't get dirty double entendres either. I don't much care for them myself. But this was just too good to pass up.
@LogiKaiser No he meant dont question nitty logic like it matter. I could go on and on question the science of original movie but i wont because those thing doesnt matter. Gaint worm dont live in empty space. Where the fuck do you think they get their energy if they are that big when there are no sun around and they live in deep dark pitch black of space? Why the fuck none of these guys ever wear a suit. Why every time they open their hangar to take off into space the vacuum of space doesnt back them off? I could go on and on. This is fantasy not science fiction and even science fiction doesnt even have that level of attention to detail.
"The giant alien cow thing that luke milks is one of my favourite additions to this whole series" "if you don't like it you have poor taste and I don't want to be friends with you" Dude...
@@Wired4Life2 did he not love the rest? And i still referred to this movie in the first comment its such a stretch to say the OT was ruined by one movie it was terribly divisive at tfa
Ironically, not that bad since the comments that agree with his points float to the top and the vocal third who vehemently disagreed fade into obscurity. Maybe it was worse right after he made the video, but a year later, I can't find an anti-TLJ comment after scrolling for several minutes. Personally, I didn't like the "it's good because it subverted expectations" argument, but that wasn't his only point. If you want to like a movie with redeeming qualities, good for you. I didn't like it, but I don't dislike the people who do. There were likely plenty of flat-out trolls, but I couldn't find any.
About the jedi sucks thing..one could argue that George Lucas himself pointed that out on the prequel trilogy. I mean, it's there, it's just not on the nose!
Patrick and many other "fans" like him havent actually seen or absorbed the star wars material that came before 2015. Kotor 1 & 2, the prequels, various books all point out how jedi arent that greatest but with those deconstructions, they each manage to reconstruct a brand new point of view of what jedi are. TLJ just deconstructs with out an explanation. Just goes for the "jedi sucks(mic drop)" moment and walks away.
@@ultimabk except TLJ doesn't just drop the mic. Luke's entire story arc in this film revolves around that. It's really not something merely glossed over.
@@ultimabk Introducing your point by denouncing others who haven't followed the expanded universe (which in terms of the sequels isn't canon anyway; no, I do not like this decision either but I get why they did it because it would have made new movies extremely limited when every characters' story line has already been plotted for 40 years to come) as second-tier fans - which in case of Patrick who at least follows it in form of comics is additionally wrong - already undermindes your whole argument by making it utterly arrogant.
Cypher Stay tuned. MauLer, The Dishonored Wolf and Rags are going to have a field day with this trash- it''s gonna be great! I might have to skip my aunt and uncles 50th anniversary for it
Weird Wombat I love logic and Johnson insulted a friend of mine. This movie SUCKS. I followed Johnson's career (inadvertently) since 2006 and anyone who praises his movies just wind up making excuses for a writer who can't even spell his own first name correctly
Want strong female characters? Johnson is great at making women look like manipulative bitches, total rubes, whores who can't raise their own children without a man to help and Vice Admiral's who cause countless deaths and break a fictional universe that existed for 40 years before they got there
Pat as in the 1st time Luke sees Leia ever is through R2’s projection of her, and the last time Leia sees Luke is through his projection on Crait. It’s a neat detail to me
Leia did not saw Luke as a projection, the first time that she met him. And while Luke, did saw her, while being a projection, this does not equal that she was projection
Winston Shih And Snow White made her step-mother dance in heated iron shoes at her wedding, we used to be hardcore before the 50s brainwashed everybody.
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) Awards Showing all 58 wins and 28 nominations Academy Awards, USA 1978 Winner Oscar Best Art Direction-Set Decoration John Barry Norman Reynolds Leslie Dilley Roger Christian Best Costume Design John Mollo Best Sound Don MacDougall Ray West Bob Minkler Derek Ball Derek Ball was not present at the awards ceremony. Best Film Editing Paul Hirsch Marcia Lucas Richard Chew Best Effects, Visual Effects John Stears John Dykstra Richard Edlund Grant McCune Robert Blalack Best Music, Original Score John Williams Winner Special Achievement Award Ben Burtt (as Benjamin Burtt Jr.)
"Watching rich people get their shit destroyed." Boi, dont feel sorry for the people who didnt enjoy that. Feel sorry for the slaves who are going to work overtime because one girl had to "save the animals." X'D
Angel Bobadilla How do you think they freed the animals because they “had to save them” and not because they’re cornered and need a way out? (which the movie makes very clear)
Gamer Ricans IIRC when Finn and Rose are about to be captured after the animal chase they literally say "but it was worth it" after seeing the spacehorse they rode run away.
"A lot of people don't want new things in their Star Wars." -- Amendment for accuracy: a lot of people don't want new crappy things in their Star Wars. I've seen exactly zero people complaining about 'new things' per se. (Also aside from disconnected oddities and super-conveniences in Paige Tico's story, I can't recall anyone who hates the movie also hating her character and her scenes per se. I agree her scenes are legitimately good, at least in principle if oddly shoddy in execution.)
"A lot of people don't want new things in their Star Wars" Star Wars Expanded Universe is filled with new things and yet I didn't see much complaints from the fans. Heck, Knights of the Old Republic 2 deconstructs the Force and fans love that game.
I don't even care much about most of the EU (the original Thrawn trilogy aside), and I still want to thumb-up that remark 70 times! The whole existence of beloved fan properties outside the movie canon instantly fails a central thesis in Patrick's argument. FOR GOD'S SAKE THERE'S A GREEN RABBIT SIDEKICK TO HAN SOLO, generally beloved by fans (along with most of the classic Marvel Star Wars material). You literally could not get more space-wizards-for-children than that. Quality counts. Respect counts even in deconstruction. Come to think of it, Thrawn's original story deconstructs quite a bit of the original trilogy story, in an entertaining, clever way that still respects the prior material. (I know nothing about the new Thrawn material.)
@@zakuhtet3775 Frankly if I'm annoyed its that out of all the good shit added by the expanded universe nothing in these films approaches it. Maybe if Rian Johnson had hired Timothy Zahn to wrote the story outline this woulda been cool.
Lukes character arc was my favorite part of the last Jedi, it t rang very true to me as someone that has experienced my own fall from grace and personal tragedy. It was a natural and realistic path for him, and I loved it.
Yes, the man who saw the good in Darth fucking Vader, child murdering, jedi slaughtering, all around evil sith lord, somehow turns around and tries to kill his flesh and blood nephew after seeing that he MIGHT turn to the dark side. Not just his nephew, but the firstborn son of his twin sister and best friend, both of which he risked dying and turning to the dark side for.
@@James35142 Luke never finished his own training, which was super informal and late-in-life to begin with. And he never got to observe the Jedi in their prime, only learning the bare minimum from the lone two survivors whom he also learned were lying to him. He did a lot of good but also made a lot of questionable, impulsive decisions. It makes perfect sense to me that he'd make a lot of mistakes and live to regret them. He's still a good person, though, and made the right decision in the clutch as he did before. For me, it was consistent characterization and Hamill crushed it.
I forgot another point, but it is a separate topic anyway. Star Wars fans WANT the saga to go into new and different directions. However, we do not want that growth at the expense of all that has come beforehand. Star Wars is the rare franchise that has gone across multiple decades with multiple films without a reboot, re-imaging, and (for the most part) re-casting. Star Wars isn't like James Bond, super hero movies pre-MCU, or Halloween (which will be re-re-rebooted this October). Instead, Star Wars is like Rocky/Creed, Rambo, and the Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts sagas. Star Trek, the closest competition to Star Wars, has even been rebooted. And thanks to Disney's CGI magic, we have Star Wars actors reprising their roles despite being DEAD!! So forgive us if we get pissed off when a movie comes along that blatantly breaks the rules of the franchise and progressive storytelling in general all in the name of "subverting expectations" and "moving the franchise forward." A man that has spent years fighting to help and protect his friends and family for years, despite constantly facing near-impossible odds and almost certain death, is NOT going to runaway and hid on an island, just because he had one huge screw up!! A man that believed he could redeem a family member who (A) was the second most evil person in the galaxy and (B) he has no significant relationship with is NOT going to contemplate murdering different family member that man actually has a significant relationship with (both as blood relative and as student/pupil) because the kid MIGHT go evil someday. A commanding officer that has crew that is scared, desperate, and facing imminent destruction has a plan that can save them all AND that officer does not suspect sabotage or a mole, then that officer doesn't try to ease the crew's concerns with philosophical mumbo jumbo. That commanding officer tells the crew the plan, or at the very least she confirms that a plan exists. If a super midi-cholrean Jedi Master that has spent centuries studying the Force needs his full concentration to life a single x-wing out of a swamp, then some Jesse-Come-Lately that has been "studying" the Force for about 52 hours (at best) shouldn't be able to lift dozens of boulders on her first ever try without so much as a damn frown on her face. Wazupwitdat?! That's got noting to do with SJWs and gender politics. That's not me being an angry fanboy that didn't get what he wanted. That's just damn inconsistent storytelling!! Yes, the saga is about space wizards, aliens, faster than light travel, laser swords etc. It is still a saga with rules and history and character arcs and lore. Continuity matters, damn it!! We pissed off fans don't want Star Wars to turn into the Michel Bay Transfomers saga or The Fast & the Furious saga or the Halloween saga or the Terminator saga! We want new. We want difference. We want change. But most of all, we want Star Wars to be Star Wars!!! Continuity and consistency matter, damn it!! >:-(
To BJS999 = Although hindsight is 20/20, there were several ways that Rian Johnson could have brought forth the radical changes and growth that he wanted without breaking and burning the rules and lore of the franchise. Johnson didn't just break the rules of the franchise, he broke the rules of basic progressive story telling. The Rocky/Creed saga is an excellent example of progressive story telling. Creed introduces new characters and elements without destroying the legacy of what came before. Furthermore, I'm not a sore loser. I made a review on my own channel, and I offered a grade of "A with Fanboy Bias". I invite you to watch it.
BJS99 Watch Clone Wars & Rebels. They found ways of moving the franchise forward while respecting the continuity of SW. SW has become too focused on the visual and not enough on continuity, good story, good dialogue & character development. TLJ was cinematic but often makes no sense (consider: why would Rey be first to approach Luke, not Chewie with news of Hans’ death??? Makes NO sense in any universe. Very obvious the writer didn’t care about what makes sense in terms of character or relationship. I have MANY examples where TLJ just is nonsensical & rests on the laurels of being a SW movie- it doesn’t need to make sense, right? As long as it’s a good time? Why spoil the fun with LOGIC?).
@@HermanFalckHow Actually that "space wizard" card is really one of the least compelling argument about SW. It basically means we're not supposed to take anthing seriously about the movie and usually people will use it whenever it's useful and forget about it when they don't need it. GoT is about magic and dragons and zombies in a fantasy world, why shouldn't it be taken seriously, along with its internal consistency? Unless we say we don't care at all about internal consistency but that's a pretty lame rabbit hole to crawl in, there's always a point where everyone will say "come one, that's a little too much to follow, you weren't able to do this a minute ago, now you can because it's useful, the next moment you can't do it anymore, it makes no sense...". The only movies of this kind are like David Lynch movies and not anyone can make them. And you probably can't use that structure for any type of movie.
@@Kyrielsh1 The space wizards joke is just there to make people who engage in toxic behavior like harassing Kelly Marie Tran feel like the children that they are. It's not meant to waive away all criticism of the movie. I happen to think that most of the criticism is unfair, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the movie is about "space wizards."
You see, I feel like I'm in this weird minority group. I didn't love it, and I didn't dislike it. I enjoy what a lot of people love about it, but I can also see A FEW of the things people complain about... I do believe it does a lot right for the franchise. It introduces new ideas, evolves the new characters in ways I absolutely adore & brings back Luke in the only way I think is interesting. I also think a lot of the humour is totally out of place and borderline cringe-worthy. I didn't feel that the huge Finn & Rose diversion warranted its existence to its fullest degree, and I really feel like the film should have found a way of wrapping up much earlier. Also, Rian introduces the brilliant concept of their being no Sith or Jedi with the idea of Kylo and Rey being the beginning of something completely new, and then completely undoes all of that; reverting back to a more familiar scenario for the third film in the trilogy... The film hovers around a 7/10 for me, but I do admire a lot of what its doing. (though I'd be amongst the first to admit that all this ridiculous amount of hatred towards the film, as well as the people involved, is completely stupid)
Personally, I think most people are going to fall into our way of thinking several years from now. Those that hate will come around to see some of the good things about the movie and the people who love it will come around to see its flaws.
Meerkat Chris The movie introduces something new and "completely undoes all of that"? TLJ is the second installment a trilogy. It served to show us the beginning of the new order, not to have it happen immediately. The fact that you're so impatient means that it was successful at setting up the main drive of the conflict, but second installments never resolve the main conflict. That's for the third act. How is it "completely undone"? Second installments always end with the direst moments of conflict, so that the resolution pays off. Rey taking Kylo's hand immediately would have been badass, but it would not have been as decisive as when she will take his hand in IX when they've both grown in wisdom.
The point in the film was that no characters had really adressed that the jedi suck. We know they do. But the characters had never acknowledged it head on.
@@rindoubaka1574 Literally Anakin is an irrational villain who murders children, so he obviously isn't a reputable source on the state of the Jedi. The fact that an institution has failed doesn't mean that the institution is fatally flawed. Every single organization and every single person has failed and will fail in the future.
@@aolson1111 Literally doesn't matter. What Anakin did doesn't dispute the fact that there was a Jedi questioning the order. He was doing this before he even turned into Darth Vader as well. Luke was going to kill his own nephew and abandoned his friends to die so it's hard to call him a reputable source either. Hell if anything Anakin is by far a better source. He was a Jedi during the peak of corruption in the order. He saw first hand the arrogance of the Jedi. He himself went through it.
No, that's exactly what we got. The difference is that when you watched, you didn't like it (and that's perfectly fine by the way) and in this case, you are seeing a guy talking about how much he liked the movie
There are no plotholes in this movie, the use of "plotholes" is a bare excuse of people who didnt like the movie because most people cant really figure out why they dont like it. (they dont understand it)
@LogiKaiser See, iam glad you bring this up because its easy to demonstrate how what you "perceive" as a plothole, is infact no plot hole at all but simply a lack of attention to detail and/or misunderstanding by you. "What about how Holdo hyperspace rams the Imperial fleet when they could have done that at any point earlier in the film with any of the previous ships?" 1) you assume that a hyperspace ram is possible with any ship at any time(this is wrong) 2) While the novelization goes to great lengtht o explain this better than the movie, and i do admit that it isnt super obvious in the movie, there are a number of factors which made this ram a unique one off: - The raddus had experimental new shields (we see shield impacts for the first time in the movies aside from rogue one) that kept the energy of impact concentrated -The supremacy had lateral aligned shields (DJ hacks through one area of them) meaning the shields are vulnerable to a massive concentrated impact -the Raddus, was MASSIVE compared to any other ship the "rebels" had. any shamm ship wouldnt penetrate the shields or do damage -The FO leadership was surprised by the move but recognized that they were planning to hyperspace ram (hux shouts to shoot at the ship immediately)- indicates that ramming is a viable option during star wars battles (rogue one shows ramming too) -The way hyperspace works permitted this to happen based on how the story unfolded.(short story: a ship accelerates to a hyperspace entry point in normal space, up to lightspeed/travel speed, then enters hyperspaces and doesnt interact with objects other than mass shadows) -Holdo enters the hyperspace jump before the supremacy appears but is stopped by leia -the chase ensues and the hyperspace entry points stays stationary while the ships move away from it putting the supremacy between the raddus and the entry point. -(ill ignore safety mechanism for hyperspace because they can be turned off) -when the raddus jumps, it only collides witht he supremacy because the supremacy is between the raddus and its hyperspace entry point and because the jump is pre plotted since the start of the movie it doesnt take long before the raddus can jump, leaving not enough time for counter meassures. to name a few things that you seem to have missed in the movie secondly: "How about Holdo refusing to tell anyone her plan for no reason at all? Her plan was just Leia's plan with specifics and Leia had already told everyone that plan, Holdo's stupidity basically gets everyone killed." 1) you assume that a vice admiral has a responsibility to tell a just demoted captain with attitude anything at all other than where the brig is 2) at this point in time holdo and the leadership DOESNT know how they are being tracked, because poe, finn and rose keep it to themselves - its reasonable to assume a spy on board which feeds the FO the coordinates of the fleet after jump 3) Telling poe about some super secret plan that everything rides on risks that spy overhearing it so why would she tell him. 4) it made no difference: when poe figured out HIMSELF what the plan was he decided to do a half assed rescue attempt that ended up with that very same plan being told to DJ by accident. 5) Poe mutinied after knowing about the plan 6) You assume that there WAS a plan at that time. the original plan was to flee from the first order and jump to hyperspace, when that plan failed they had to come up with a different one. 7) you really just dont like holdo :) 8) poe is who gets everyone killed, if he would have done as he was ordered to do all the resistance members would have escaped. He violated orders to return to the raddus to jump away after completed evacuation, got like 70% of the rebel fights and pilots killed. Then decided to do his own rescue plan which ended up NOT WORKING (finn and rose got caught) and the FO learned about the resistance plan and killed the majority of resistance ships/members 9) poe acted exactly as holdo said, a reckless flyboy who doesnt follow orders because he thinks he knows better. If you want to talk about "realism" as i know TLJ haters like to do, poe would have been in the brig from the point of his outburst on the bridge. Holdo was SUPER lenient on him. Iam sure you got all these things from the movie right? but probably not, because if you did you wouldnt have formed the opinion you did. plot holes are not objective plot holes they are simply missed narrative details that YOU didnt get. :)
I can understand why people don't like it, I can't understand why people think it's literally the worst movie ever made (not even worst Star Wars movie, but worst movie *period*).
Luke's final fight was the single most Jedi thing we ever saw in Star Wars - including all non-canon matewrials. He defeated his oponent without actually fighting or landing a hit. And it was glorious.
You do know that Jedi are allowed to fight if it's defending other people right? You can't accomplish anything by just being passive. Even in the film, Luke just delays the enemy but you have to still defeat them so all he did was stall. Any real improvement to the situation requires action and that's why Jedi take action lots of times before this. There is nothing wrong with fighting or even killing so long as you do so for good reasons and only do it to protect people. That's why Jedi carried weapons, they need them to help people. Being a Jedi is not being non-violent. Being a Jedi is using violence only as a last resort.
@@Fionor01 So if a Sith is cutting down a village of innocents, a Jedi shouldn't defend and counterattack? Why even have lightsabers in the first place? Why learn powers such as Force Push, which could potentially be used to harm an individual or Mind Trick, which can cause great mental stress to an individual? Where is it stated that Jedi are strictly pacifists? Why did Obi-wan and Yoda urge Luke to destroy Darth Vader? Jedi are described as keepers of the peace, does that not include using methods of self-defense to maintain the peace and protect the innocent? What's inherently wrong with violence?
I'm obsessed with the new trilogy, NGL. I've seen them both at least 10 times each. I'm literally planning on watching tlj again after this video. Come at me
they've gotten immensely better films than I did as a child. Episode 1 and 2 are both nonsensical messes of both childish fart humor and bland trade federation drama. What we have now has meaning, themes, and actual performances/direction. I just fail to see what everyone hates so much in these films, they expand the universe
I'm not angry... I wasn't coming out of the theater. And I'm glad you liked it. But I'm done caring... I had no investment in this movie. Nothing changed, not much happened, and all the "threats" promised by the Force Awakens was systematically torn away until I could not take anything seriously. Its not that Rey is "too powerful" its that all the villains SUCK!!! and consequently I feel zero investment in the story because I cannot take the bad guys seriously. When the villain is no threat, how am I supposed to care about the Heroes?
Amazing. Every word you just said.. was right. :) Awesome video, I feel the same way. Hooked from the first battle. Every time I see scenes from this movie I am floored by the cinematography.
@@HenbotI really enjoyed the fight choreography. I know some people saw inconsistencies but it moves so fast and looks so cool and *different* if I bothered to watch it in slow motion it might bother me but I don't feel a need to. Then again, maybe my emotional shock from the scene prior left me too distracted to notice lol. (Jaw on the floor for the entire fight scene.) I can forgive a few visual inconsistencies.
You literally have weapons disappearing from the royal guard's hands in a scene that you can see clearly without slow motion. It was sloppy, and they wave their weapons around like circus clowns, the visual for the scene distracts you from the glaring and sloppy composition and weak choreography because Rian Johnson isnt one who cares about that stuff @@BorgTube47
Episode 7 did not bridge the 30 year gap it just completely jumped to the other side. It’s just like oh ya the Luke who was so wise last time we saw him failed and jedi are all dead again the empire’s basically back and everything accomplished at the end of episode 6 is gone
The problem with Luke is not that he became a cynical hermit. The problem is that we didn't see him change into a cynical hermit. If you have the time I definitely recommend RU-vidr "The Closer Look"'s video on How to kill a franchise. It's probably my favorite RU-vid video period!
The worst part about the Last Jedi is that I totally recognize all of the good you mentioned in this video, but I just don’t feel it. LJ leaves me rolling my eyes and feeling empty
I really enjoyed the movie, and my friend felt like you when he watched, so I showed his a playlist with amazing videos to try to explain some of the themes in the movie. ru-vid.com/group/PLdTtj1P2Gv-_tYYkN64ZtnuOmMWHFoJr5 Hope you enjoy it
I actually respect everything you say here, and I am still EXTREMELY happy to have a Star Wars movie that actually feels like a personal statement, again (which hasn't happened since Lucas). It's inventive and energized, takes risks, and has clunky moments, again....just like Lucas. That said...I still, personally, see this as the "Skywalker Saga," and I kind of feel like the idea of "moving on" from the Skywalkers wasn't suited for the penultimate chapter of their story. If all of this had happened in Johnson's stand-alone trilogy, I would be standing and cheering. I also feel like (and it's basically been confirmed) there's no story oversight going on here. This trilogy does not feel like a unified narrative, and that bugs me. So, I have mixed feelings...and I don't think that will go away.
Pretty compact comment (for my standards) packed with everything I feel, thanks! :-) There were gorgeous things happening there and Johnson gets pissed upon way too much. But when it comes to being integrated in the trilogy and the bigger story I can't follow it. For me it felt like they wanted everything: something brand new but bringing back the old characters... Sometimes if you want to do too many things you end up doing nothing really well.
I love this movie. I agree with pretty much everything Patrick said in his video. Your point about the trilogy not feeling like a unified narrative is a perspective I have not heard before, but I definitely agree with.
To be fair, we still have a movie to go, and JJ said in a recent interview that he feel he has managed to connect not only the previous 2 films, but all the trilogies as well. So who knows, maybe this time next year we will see how this movie fits together with the overall narrative, and not just it's own (amazing) thing.
@@bogzbiny Abrams may well pull it off, but...this would've been much easier if they'd fleshed out what the endpoint of the trilogy so that evrryone knew what they were aiming for.
mpjedi2 to be fair.....the original trilogy was done in roughly the same fashion. There was just no internet echo chamber to hot-take it into oblivion between each episode.
Dude. Dude. Dude. “It’s a movie about space wizards for kids” if I apply this logic to the MCU, which you dismantled over three videos, all three videos become moot. That’s a trash blanket statement you can apply to so much mainstream entertainment that gets viewed under a critical lens; and this statement does nothing but suggest it ought not to. I’m very very disappointed, coming straight from those MCU videos.
That’s not what he fucking said you dummy! All he said was nots not anything to get angry over! Nothing to get angry over and, I don’t know... verbally attack the director over... Hmmm... Hey wait a second! Just to clarify, the first sentence was pretty much word for word for how Patrick responded to this on Twitter. I wasn’t attacking you @Cap’n Marty, sorry if you thought I was.
Fire Rath “JJ Abrams how fucking dare you” - patrick willems Sounds like a verbal attack to me idk about you but if someone i did not know told me that i would take some offense. 🤷♂️
@@IsaacV24 Well it's just kids movie. I don't see why a grown man would be upset about the direction it took unless he a parent. Maybe he just doesn't know the right way to watch movies or something.
Great video, Patrick. TLJ is my favorite Star Wars movie since Empire. I think people have overblown how divisive this movie really is. It was a smash with the critics and got an A rating on Cinemascore. A loud minority of angry Star Wars fans, 4chaners, trolls and bots want to give the impression that everyone hated it and it was a terrible movie. It's not.
Agreed. Haters will always exist, but you have to remember that you can't always use them to gauge an overall impression of a film in general. Especially when they come from a place called the internet. As far as TLJ is concerned, I don't know if I would call it my favorite, but I WAS entertained by it. It's miles better than AOTC and TPM for sure.
So you didn't have a problem with re-writing the Living Force to be a nihilist contrarian? Rian told us that the Force takes an active part in thwarting everyone's plans, and that that was the whole basis for Luke becoming a nihilist himself. Rey is optimistic for now, but the lesson seems to be that if she learns more about the Force like Luke did, she'll eventually give up trying to change anything. And the "optimistic" message that "anyone" can be a Jedi is only because "the Force doesn't belong to us"; the Force giveth and taketh away. If the good guys would just stop trying to be good, then there would be no spontaneous creation of evil in the universe, and then there would be no use for counter-balancing the scales with the Force. So force sensitivity would basically disappear if people would stop trying to do things. That's just depressing as hell. If I had been told 40 years ago that the only thing sadder than Luke dying would be the fact that he didn't slash his wrists sooner, I would have saved myself both the movie ticket and the 40 year wait.
It's nice to watch someone so clearly enjoy something. Personally I thought TLJ was a bad movie (bad writing, bad character motivations, bad plot, just bad everything), but it might be more accurate to say that TLJ was a bad _fit_ for me, and obviously it was a GOOD fit for Patrick. The things he lists at the end that he enjoyed the most were some of the things I enjoyed the least. But I'm happy to see that someone enjoyed it and didn't feel like it was a waste of their time to watch. Patrick's glee is infectious, so I'll just have to settle for enjoying TLJ vicariously.
It's funny how people could easily ignore all the things wrong with the OT because of how "it makes them feel" and how those movies "feel like star wars" they also do the same with the Force Awakens, happy to ingest the railroad tracked, color by numbers story because it "feels like star wars" ignoring #PLOTHOLES and the silliness that happens along the way. With the Prequels, they had their faults, and were hated because they didnt "feel" like Star Wars. With the Last Jedi, a movie that simultaneously FEELS like Star Wars and pushes the boundaries of what to expect from a Star wars movie, all of a sudden all of these issues (The Comedy, #PLOTHOLES, etc) are suddenly unforgivable....even though the Original trilogy has many of the very same sins - you just accepted them because you grew up with them and viewed them through a different lens.
star wars fans: the force awakens stayed too close to the original storyline therefore it is a bad movie also star wars fans: the last jedi veered too far off from the original storyline therefore it is a bad movire
I wouldn't say last jedi veered far from the original storyline (honestly it's just as unoriginal as 7 and borrowed heavily from 5 and 6). It just had a lot of flaws. It had characters that made strange decisions and characters learning the same lessons they had already learned in previous films. Not to mention an almost completely useless subplot. Ultimately I wouldn't say it's terrible just unsatisfying and poorly structured.
@@bigkmoviesandgames - actually, TLJ (and the entire ST) on the whole is all at once terrible, unsatisfying, lacking substance, lacking character development and poorly structured.
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II is one of my favorite video games. It really examines and highlights the many intentional "flaws" and the unintentional flaws baked into the Star Wars universe cake, and reconciles them. It lets you accept them, and think about the flaws not as a detriment to Star Wars or a result of bad writing, but as assets which add depth to the world and are valuable to the Star Wars universe. I mean damn, the entire game is based on Jedi elitism and incompetence, and the greyness of the world. When I watched The Last Jedi (and, upon rewatching, even The Force Awakens to an extent) I was reminded of Knights of the Old Republic. Sure, it wasn't perfect at doing what KotOR II did, but it certainly tried and mostly succeeded, and that's good enough for me. Great even. If a movie can capture even a smidgen of that game's incredible writing and plot, it's a damn good movie. PS: I know SW: KotOR II isn't canon, but that doesn't mean it's loving criticisms of Star Wars are any less valid than they were when the game came out.
2:09 “JJ Abrams how fucking dare you” -patrick willems Well this did not age very well now did it XD Btw i just find it laughable that people are defending him saying “but he is not harassing anyone or being toxic” when by his definition, making a tweet that could definitely seen as a rude comment is toxic but they just ignore that because that would make their arguments seem silly.
Patrick: "This is a movie about Space Wizards Intended for Children" (~1 year later...) Patrick: "JJAbrams how f..king dare you" Congratulations, you played yourself.
This didn't age well, because many of the points Patrick made in the video are destroyed by JJ in TRoS, and also because even if you shouldnt get angry over *insert Space Wizards banner* his first reaction on twitter to the movie was "JJ Abrahms how fucking dare you". But yeah...
i wholly agree with the assessment that star wars fans dont understand change and surprise anymore. the OT was as different and surprising as the sequels , especially TLJ at their time. thing of it, a wise jedi master portrayed as a goofy jokster in a swamp ? A weird force vision? the bad guys win? TLJ really doesnt differ much in tone and expectation subversion from ESB, the difference is that only in ANH, ESB and ROTJ did we really get surprised and expectations subverted. the prequels filled in gaps to an end result that we already knew. Anakin turning into Vader is obviously no surprise, palpatine being the emperor is no surprise. So the vast majority of the last 2 generations of star wars fans dont know what its like to have their expectations over established star wars tropes be subverted. TLJ is very true to how ESB felt in cinema. and people simply dont get it.
I sincerely feel like Rise of Skywalker didn't have a chance because Last Jedi refuses to function as the second part of a trilogy. Force Awakens works well to establish interesting characters and mysteries, but by the time you get to Rise of Skywalker, it's like, "well, what now? We pretty much have to start from scratch because every personal conflict we set up was resolved in the previous film. Rian left us NOTHING." I largely view Rise of Skywalker's failure as a symptom of one of Last Jedi's many failures.
There's no big mystery here. Rian Johnson deconstructed Star Wars. But unlike Alan Moore with Watchmen, he didn't use proxy characters, he used the _actual_ characters. And that's not deconstruction, that's just doing the characters...wrong.
@@Wired4Life2 Agreed. But if the characters change so much that they are unrecognizable _and_ you haven't really seen that that change, it's hard to get on board. Luke Skywalker becoming disillusioned with the Jedi is an interesting way to go. But we need more than one flashback to justify that disillusionment.
@@greatscott3470 Is Luke really that unrecognizable? The first thing he does with his father's old lightsaber is toss it, just like he does in _ROTJ_ when the Emperor encourages him to kill his father, once and for all (at which he refuses and nearly gets Force-shocked to death). He has regressed to a life similar to his old farm boy days. His regret is not only letting his star student turn to the dark side, but failing to protect his nephew, the son of his sister and his best friend, from spiritual danger. Sure, the gap between productions brings some insurmountable obstacles, both with the ages of the legacy actors and with having to establish the First Order and the overall galaxy status quo succinctly. Once past those (and I'd argue that refusing to accept those is almost entirely the viewer's fault, not the film's), pretty much everything else falls into place.
Patrick: Uh, I would be worried if everyone across the board was like "Yeah, that was a good video". It's much more exciting to me when there are some comments saying "I agree with everything you said" and then there are others that say "That was the dumbest video I've ever seen". Having those two extremes is the mark of the type of video I want to make, so-" (side nod and smirk)
I just remember that Tico forcing herself on the Finn character and wasting an hour on a casino planet only to free some animals and not the slave children being pretty bad. Seeing Leia get sucked out into space and start randomly using the force only to save herself was by far the most hysterical thing i've seen people cry at in a theater.
I really appreciated this video until it went into trying to explain detractors and why they are wrong. For whatever reason it seems impossible for the pro-TLJ crowd to comprehend criticisms that are raised by the detractors. Is it not enough to love this movie? Does everyone also have to prove how those who don’t are just plain wrong by misrepresenting them? But you know what? I do see what you see in it. I get why people love it. And it is all great, mostly. There's just so much more stuff in it I wish I didn't see.
Damn Kord you are actually so right. It’s amazing how fast it went from being “here is my opinion of the movie (good or bad)” to “here is my opinion of those who disagree with me about the movie”... People got hostile on both ends of the debate.
@@Mr100pic The movie was terrible. It looks great, but so does a $50 hooker with an expensive makeover. Still doesn't make it good or even decent. And I'm not even a SW fanatic. But this was boring & a waste of time.
Since the internet is on fire with people tearing the film apart on hand and others fanboying on the other, I'm desperately looking for well voiced opinions to help me change the "meeeeeh" feeling I left the cinema with when I saw The Last Jedi... I'm sorry to tell, you didn't help me much. Just like many people trying to explain to me why I'm an idiot because I didn't hate the movie, you're kinda trying to explain to me why I'm kind of an idiot because I didn't love it. Is there a parallel universe where all you guys understand that this usually does not work...?? I feel like I've been strawmanned much, being explained a lot of things of how I see the movie (for example it seems I don't understand why humour is good, nice to know). If you really must know you can ask me, but maybe better: you guys who want to make videos and comments about SW can maybe explain with more CONSTRUCTIVE points why you hate or love it. I've seen a few of these, albeit not a lot to be honnest. When they give me something concrete I'm usually glad. On the positive side for example, the parallel of the death shot of Luke compared to one of the first shot in the OT with the two suns was pretty satisfying. On the negative side, the fact that the gap between the two trilogies is not well addressed and makes things feel a little hollow or convenient (seems you were not bothered by that much though) is hard to ignore for me. But really, mostly it's about you people telling us we're idiots... I don't really care that much, I don't know you and never will, I would just prefer not lose my time with that... No offence, really... So, just out of consistency and to give a few examples and be a minimum constructive myself, for example: - You're telling us what you found funny. Basically you're telling us almost explicitely that if we didn't laugh as much we don't like like humour. I was quite perplex I must say. - You're telling us what you felt, e.g. that if felt like an adventure. I myself did not feel that way, though I'm really waiting for the SW movie that will make me feel the thrill of the adventure of the OT. There is no convincing here overall, it's hard to tell people what they SHOULD have felt. It's probably more interesting to understand why people felt differently. Without strawmanning if possible. - When was SW EVER about a few select bloodlines ? I agree with you on Luke, the ordinary guy who was thirsty for more. This bloodline stuff is a fan stuff, in SW with a monk-like not-reproducing order, it makes no freaking sense whatsoever. I would have loved that the new trilogy would be about something else than the Skywalkers. - Like many people, you explain that the Jedi order "sucked" followed by no interpretation of why this is so, where it comes from, what went sideways exactly with Anakin, just that the Jedi "needed to evolve" because they "burrowed their emotions deep inside", more or less. Given the oriental philosophies that served as templates for the Jedi, this feels like an incredible counter-sense: these philosophies are actually about the opposite, facing your emotions to avoid being controlled by them. That's what the Jedi were about. Anakin failed as a Jedi. Luke was conflicted, yes, tempted, yes, but in the end managed to walk that path anyway. As a side effect he brought back (a little) his father along the way. People have to evolve and transform, people can fail, the order is just fine. Also, this thing of becoming more powerful when transforming into ghost because "lightning" feels a little cheap. There are for sure deeper interpretations of this that also provide a basis for applying it to our world and help us grow. But hey, on that spiritual side I'm a probably the equivalent of SW nerds when it comes to light speed...
if i get what you're saying, you're wondering why you thought that TLJ and the entire ST generally sucked, here's why: poor storytelling method and bad characters
I’ve been immersing myself in TTRPG as of late, and I have had the epiphany that Star Wars is more akin to Dungeon and Dragons than it is to a piece of genre fiction like The Lord of the Rings or Dune. Since 1987, when West End Games developed the Star Wars: The Roleplaying Games, Star Wars has ceased to be a film franchise and has become a RPG franchise. This all started with the aforementioned RPG that created source books and rules and such for all things in Star Wars; then those rules were translated into the first major expanded universe media: The Thrawn Trilogy and The Dark Empire Trilogy: the authors literally took the RPG source books and used them to write the novels. Throughout the 1990s, Star Wars was essentially using the same playbook: create toys and games that all fit within the same general RPG playbook and theme (a Stormtrooper is approximately this strong, a Star Destroyer is this large and powerful, etc.). This is probably part of the reason why the prequels are so dull but internally consistent: they were making adaptation of an RPG not a narrative fiction like Dune (where it doesn’t matter how powerful Paul Atreides is as long as his actions fit the narrative). This is most likely why so many old school fans had an issue with the sequel trilogy (outside of the old EU being ignored): Disney did not want to maintain the style and structure of an RPG, they wanted to use a more narrative style of storytelling. With this style, Rey doesn’t have a RPG style character sheet, she can do whatever she needs to progress the story. Now was this a wise approach for Star Wars? Hard to say, but with this context, the last three decades of Star Wars does seem to make much more sense.
I think what bothered me about this movie is ultimately is its writing. It had cool concepts but failed to deliver on them from a literary aspect. It could have been the deep philosophical Star Wars movie we all wanted, but failed to deliver it. In fact looking back thats an issue Rian Johnson has had with looper as well, I loved that movie but parts of its writing seemed problematic. Also I think poe's arc and finns arc was really really bad. I feel like rian really wanted to make a movie about duality of the force and kinda forgot to write their parts till last minute. In the future, I think star wars needs a writer director duo rather letting a director take care of everything.
Diego Brando i did, its just the thing i needed as a good Christmas present to just chuckle at how backwards videos like this are and the irony behind it.
I didn't even bother seeing The Rise of Skywalker, but it's already my favourite sequel trilogy movie solely because of the amount of schadenfreude it has provided me.
I really really really really really really really really really really really really really want a Mr and Mrs Willems episode where they watch a movie and explain to you why they love it.
I agree that Canto Bight has its purpose in the story but it followed the wrong characters. Rose telling Finn how much the universe sucks makes no sense: he already knows, he's a goddamn child soldier! It should have been Finn opening the hothead Poe's eyes to reality.
The only real reason people hate TLJ is because they take the Star Wars way more seriously than any reasonable person should TLJ is literally my favorite SW movie. The only reason it is because I am one of the few people (like you) who understand it's place in the landscape of movies and entertainment
Yes! That's why my favorite Star Wars movie is 'Star Wars Holliday Special'!!! I mean who cares is Star Wars had become a world wide cultural phenomenon. Disney was right to hire Rian Johnson to create a parody because it was taken to seriously. Lighten up people.
Don’t forget about the heart of the movie - the epic Snoke room battle where Kylo is echoing Rian Johnson screaming at Disney “let’s move on from that same old story! Let’s do something new!!!” That’s Genius. Because we already know what was Dieney’s reply…
You're assuming every single comment here is a white dude. Maybe that's your default way of seeing people but you have no idea what you're talking about.
But you’ve glossed over the biggest criticism of the movie, that the entire Canto Bight subplot was a waste of time. For me, it actually made me bored while watching the movie for the first time. And you address it (or dismiss it) merely by making some jokes about “three very important things.” You completely fail to actually address the criticism that this portion does nothing to advance the story. Rose and Fin are not important enough characters to spend so much time to provide them with “essential teaching moments” and relegating them to a pointless subplot actually contributes to making them less important characters. “What should we do with Rose and Fin?” “Oh, I don’t know. Let’s just send them off on a pointless, boring, wild goose chase that brings the rest of the movie to a grinding halt whenever we cut to it.” I liked the Luke/Rey subplot. I liked the Rey/Ben subplot. Even the stuff in the fleet was all right. But Canto Bight was a big chunk of the movie and it was just bad. And you completely ignore that and say, “I could talk about this,” but you don’t. Why? Yes. If you think you can defend it, then talk about it. You similarly gloss over the criticism of the Holdo Maneuver and, again, make a joke of it. The criticism is not based on applying science to a fantasy movie. It is about consistency in following the internal rules within the fantasy universe as established. Pointing out that, if what Holdo did was possible, then it would have been done before or even weaponized, such as with “light speed torpedos” or something, is an entirely valid criticism and you chose to address it by ignoring it. Your only justification is that it was "cool." If, in the last Harry Potter movie, Harry had snapped his fingers and Voldemort had turned into dust, people would reasonably ask, “If that was possible, then why didn’t we ever see anyone do it before in all these films? Why didn’t Harry do it before? Additionally, the Holdo Maneuver is a form of deus ex machina. Never hinted at and suddenly saves the day. When Luke used his force power to aim a proton torpedo and destroy the Death Star thereby saving the day, it was only after being set up throughout the movie. Everything Luke and the audience learned and experienced about the force through the whole movie, including training with the remote with his eyes covered and when he heard Ben telling him to run while in the Death Star hanger, was leading up to Luke being able to use the Force to destroy the Death Star at the end. But the Holdo Maneuver just drops out of nowhere. Never set up and even contradicts what we have always seen about hyperdrive. Deus ex machina. And you simply ignore it.
Yes. Best Star Wars film since 1980 if you ask me. Third best overall. I love The Last Jedi. I find it depressing how much more people like The Mandalorian, which is perfectly fine, but mostly just repetitive fan service.
@@thedeutschman9905 I'm not really interested in discussing this movie anymore. It was interesting for a brief time, but by now, everything to be said has been said, and (much as in the case of the bizarre re-opening of the debate about the Prequels), all that's left is pointless arguing in circles. A lot of the points I would make to explain what I like about The Last Jedi are already in this video. If you are curious about why some of us (including most critics, from what I can tell) think it's good, here are some more that at least partially reflect what I think (I do NOT agree with everything): "A Defense of the Last Jedi" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gTJIk5PkTXg.html "Why You're Wrong About The Last Jedi" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VbHUJEH-ERI.html "Luke Was Perfect in the Last Jedi" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iEfdHYpdKlw.html "The Last Jedi - Why I Love It" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AOESuLUOk6g.html "The Last Jedi is Amazing" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PXCLJp541Pw.html
