"Let's put the belt, known for working perfectly fine while dry for the past 10-20 years, INSIDE the engine so it can absorb oil and disintegrate after 2 years." - some engineer from PSA
There are big issues in Denmark with premature timing-belt failure on this engine. It is probably caused by too much gasoline or particles in the engine oil. Stellantis needs to address this promptly with a permanent fix and no extra expense for the customers or loose all credibility as a car maker.
Stellantis have Dollar signes in the eyes, and international law should punnish them to yale I though I put concrete to the top of my 208 and set it before the Stellantis office as th BAD car of every time in the World
Peugeot 5008 1.2 Puretec 2017 95000 KM Motorschaden Kulanzangebot eine Motorreparatur die der Vertragshändler noch nie gemacht hat und sich nicht kompetent fühlt !
The recall from PSA/ Citreon my Cactus Purtech was a f'in joke, they checked my belt width and said it conforms OK, 1.5 years later, engine is killed by belt breakdown. I hold them to account on this and will push for compensation.
New issue arrises on this engine: broken spark plugs (Bosch) that damage the engine. Happened to me after 20.000km. No recall! Thank you PSA and BOSCH!
Sinds last week there has been a new recall action by peugeot, open and citroen for the same issue for the puretec from 2018 till 2023. So, if you bought your car secondhand, please check with the official dealer if your car has been serviced.
I am shocked to find that the cam belt is inside the engine, rather than outside! Or that it isn't an old school, tried and tested timing chain! Nice going Peugeot!
It doesn't seem to matter if it is an internal belt or chain these days, you still have to replace them both, the chain usually at about 120k which is ridiculous given the cost of doing it. Some of the cars and 4x4s I used to work on way back that were fitted with chains would go for 250k plus which is much more like the mileage I would expect them to make. It's all a con and I will stick to a 1.6 or 2 litre diesel and stay away from the major internal belt and spark plug issues, shame because it could have been a bomb-proof little engine
@@Micestro109Agree. I could never understand why chains needed to be replaced more with modern cars. They aren’t under huge stress, it’s possible to engineer them to last the life of the engine but they aren’t. They are designed to fail!
the advantage of having a rubber belt is it needs no lubrication, and is therefore easy to change. this is the worst of both worlds! If its in oil it should be a chain! if its a rubber belt it should be in air!
Belt was replaced FOC under the PSA recall last year. It is possible that a software change at the time is responsible for P0011 faults occuuring more frequently since the belt was replaced. Oil of the correct type has been changed at under the specified intervals.
@@karimtemri1664 we’ll see about it being weak or not after 50.000km. I’ve read alot of forums saying that the timing chain usually goes out after 50.000-60.000 km.
@@bkgnkprt this thing has no timing chain. It has a timing belt that is runing in oil like a chain. And because the rubber doesn´t resist the aggressive blowby stuff coming into the oil, it starts to crumble and either leads to low oil pressure in general or it blocks specific oil lines which makes the part where the oil line leads to, fail. It´s the worst engine on the market. Even Ford went back to timing chain in 2018 because this belt in oil stuff just doesn´t work.
Ford tried wet timing belts in the 1.0 ecoboost and the 2.0 eco blue and they are proven to cause problems and shops are known to do timing chain conversions on them so the owners do not have to deal with it again, and does it o n their 1.4L 4 cylinder TSI but at least VW provides an 80K inspection interval so if it ever has to be replaced it is twice as expensive as replacing a dry timing belt. A dry timing belt is just removing the serpentine belt, harmonic balancer, and the plastic covers to access it. Most DOHC and SOHC engines used timing belts throughout the 20th century and early 2000s since timing belts provide a smoother ride than timing chains due to technological limitations preventing them from making them quiet and efficient. Even Hondas with V6 engines used timing belts well into the 2010s. Even the 2020 Acura TLX with the V6 uses a tried and true dry timing belt that can be replaced in as little as an hour or two. Honda used a timing belt in their V6 engines because they want that engine to be running as smooth as possible and people who own a Honda or an Acura with a V6 has sweared by that engine for not only for being very reliable and a peppy engine but for being a very smooth running engine.
Timing belt degradation causes various unknown problems in the rest of oiled parts of the like the leaking of cylinder pressure, turbo blocking ... All parts that can be degraded by friction with The glass fiber of the belt . And when your car has has 100000km and is bricked in front of your house you have no other solution than prey In order the factory help you to pay a replacement of the Motor . Sorry for the frenglish
Is the VTI engine the same as the Puretech, is the belt inside the engine? And does it face the same problems as the Puretech or not really because it's non-turbo?
Just spend over £1000 to get my fixed, called Peugeot and they advised that there is not a know issue with 2008 1.2 Puretech despite the model been recalled all over Europe for the Wet belt issue. Not sure till when they will be able to hide the issue.
I have a (fully mantained) 2019 P2008 with 23,000 miles on it and the belt is now giving oil pressure errors and forcing the car into limp mode It's disgraceful
Oxidated oil and acids in it had this influence on elastomer of the belt. Belt particles then were blocking oil pump cage and causing many other issues (potentially oil filter as well) - belt was damaged in most of the cases but still working. I think after 2017 belt was replaced with a new type and new oil spec was introduced like B71 2312 which has had elastomer compatibility tests. On such an engine you need to change oil more frequently every 7000 km (~200-250 motohours), as well as the belt ideally every 60000-70000 km. There are a lot of engines with a wet belt - its not an issue at all. It was just a bad luck with this issue on this new engine, but I’ve not heard on this issue recently anything
You are right but not totaly: the actual approved belt (sinze 03/2017) was parallel use in same time the rejected model sinze production launch in 2013 (both are from Dayco) , and the oil specifications WAS NOT modified: the B71 2312 (0w30) was still always required for the TURBO puretech (100, 110, 130 and 155hp), and the older B71 2390-96 (5w40) is still approved today for the atmospheric engines (68 and 82hp) ...Oil change all 10 000km (or all years first attempt)) is OK, all 7000km is a bit luxury...I did change my belt (today approved model, with white markings) with 100 000km and the belt was in good condition (oil change all 10 000km) and not belt parts in the oil suction strainer (oil pan was removed for controll)...Ford had same % issues with he's 1,0L ecoboost engine with "belt in oil", and the most time is part of the fault at owner (too long time between oil changes (like 3 years without changes because low mileage+mainly city driving) or use from not approved oils are the main causes), but in close all cases was the faulty belt was the rejected belt model ( yellow markings)
@@leneanderthalien thanks! Fully agree that oil change is critical for wet belt. In my view 250 hours or 7000 km is the golden interval for the oil change
This has not aged well even with the "new" oil we are seeing problems and blocked oil pickups. In the space the belt takes a duplex chain could be fitted making a bulletproof engine.
I just bought a second hand 2008 from june 2018. In the video they said that they recalled cars from 2013-2017 for belt problems. Should I still be worried?
The Puretech engine is a GDI design. Many GDI engines suffer from oil dilution due to high pressure fuel injection and low tension piston rings. If your Puretech engine have a worn timing belt, please make a oil sample to check for oil dilution. Have not experienced the 1.2 non GDI suffer from the same timing belt issue.
With the ford ecoboost the belt degradation is generally been seen as owners not using the correct oil spec which is understandable, most owners baulk at paying over £40 for 5 liters of the correct oil compared to £20 for 5 liters from the local supermarket. I've just replaced both my ecoboost belts that's only 8 years old as I was worried about the condition of my belts, even though I've had it from New and can guarantee the correct oil has been used. Both belts were in good condition. The labour cost for a main dealer to carry out the work would have been £1k before the cost of parts, ancillarys and the dreaded VAT
@@apn42I've been following the ecoboost engines for a while now and there is not evidence of this. But there is evidence of oil changes and the type of oil used effecting it. Fuel contaminating the oil only emphasises the importance of regular oil change
@@apn42 I did think about ethanol in the fuel being a cause. But in that case I feel like there would be a clear correlation between countries that use higher ethanol fuel and lower as well as people who use premium fuel and normal fuel
@@gamesmaster1060 I think ethanol is not a issue because i'm driving sinze 2017 a 208 puretech 110 who run only with E85 (after flexfuel reprogramming+ power increase to 130hp), did change the timing belt at 100 000km after 4 years driving and belt was in correct condition, oil pick up was clean, BUT i did alway make oil changes all 10 000km (myself) and drive at 90% on country roads and highway, oil only the factory defined Total Ineo 0w30 PSA B71 2312...
less problems after march 2017, but need to change oil all 10 000km to avoid problems caused from oil pollution from gas dilution...and use only the allowed oil quality, very important!
4 roky 14500 km a motor vyhadzuje chybu engine fault diagnostika je bez chyby. no pekný brak tento typ. už sa teším na hľadanie chyby a následné opravy
if you service your car once a year you wont have any issues .... most people have issues becouse they are cheap on service or they refil oil on their own ... even if it happens to you, for a new car you got a warranty so there shuldnt be any issues
no, the construction is the problem. Those are just excuses. Even cars that run with the right oil and no additives, have problems with the timing belt. It´s just a cheap, useless, obsolescence construction.
Same engine is being launched here in India by Citeron. Not sure if they have improved anything after this shitshow. Still this will be one of the best engines in it's category, only beaten by VW's 1 ltr TSI
Yes, it is the same engine and the problem persists even with the new polymer belt, which is the only reason I have cancelled purchase of the C3 Aircross.
I drive a Citroen Xsara Picasso 1,6 gasoline year 2008. Fine engine fine car. My next car will NOT be a Citroen, I do not accept a "Belt in oil" engine. So my next car will probably be a Mazda CX-5. It has a timing chain. But I would rather prefere an External (dry) timing belt, as in my Picasso. Many new engines are crap. Ford EcoBoost is another prime example.
Jak najdalej od tego syfu czyli silnika 1.2 (130 km) w naszym modelu Peg 3008 przebieg 46 tys silnik się zatarł powód : pasek rorzadu pływający w oleju ,pasek się łuszczy i zatyka kominy olejowe. Auto w 90 % tryb miejski. W serwisie dowiedziałem się że olej maksymalnie co 10 tys a rorzad maks 50 tys . Jak najdalej od tego gówna!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like the Oil Change with the wrong oil is to blame and degrades the wet belt, clogging up the filter. I think Peugeot needs to accept that owners are going to go to independent, non-specialist garages for their services and issue guidance to all owners concerning the oil.
kayışın yıpranmasından sebep 34000 km de turbom komple değişti kirli yağın yağ süzgecini tıkamasından sebep extra garanti satın aldığımdan ücret ödemedim
Do not buy a puretech 1.2 engine. The belt WILL fail. google belt issues for puretech 1.2, forums are flooded with the fatal flaw. once engine is flooded with bwlt componenets engine is ruined. DO NOT BUY SECOND HAND PUGEUT PURETECH
Il peggior motore che abbia mai posseduto, beve olio come una spugna, devo cambiarlo ogni 10000km, altrimenti, i residui della cinghia bagnata, otturano la pompa e a bassi regimi, scalcia come un mulo
Now show a video of the dreaded engine warning light with low oil pressure. Shit engine not designed with longevity in mind. Traded mine in for something with Japanese engineering.
This bad engine only problems on my Peugeot 208 2017 THP 110PK within 20.000km distribution belt replacement waterpump replacement High pressure pump replacement never and never more an Peugeot
drive a 208 with the same engine, zero problems , did change the belt at 100 000km, is now at 115000km, but made oil changes all 10 000km sinze new+ drive at 90% highways and country roads
@@k98k007 Every service whas made by Peugeot before all problems occured at 22.200KM its a bad engine, and those ingenieurs should go uot to develop engines for peugeot
Its now 6 years old and 32.000KM and now they say the carterpan leaking 500€ to repair it, and board Voltage is also to high 14,8 Volt with good messure
Having had trouble with the wet timing belt on a ford ecoboost there is no way I am touching an engine with that ever again! Horrendous design. Why are they making engines like phone models to be swapped out every couple of years?
> Integrated exhaust manifold into the header > Plastic belt swimming into a detergent-filled synthetic oil > oil pickup pipe so small it would clog up after the second belt change > Messy belt change > 0w30 oil , really? > Compression so high the engine would make positive crank blowby right out of the factory So is this engine reliable ? Short answer : *NO*
US and japanese cars use common 0w20 oils...and belt in oil are use sinze 20 years first on on VW (oil pump belt) and Ford ...My engine as now 110 000km and run realy fine (belt change at 100 000km)
@@leneanderthalien you're talking about US and Japanese craftsmanship , this is french idiocy at finest , this is what happens when you don't have enough engineering capabilities and try to please a bunch of environmentalists that won't even buy the car at the same time , hell even the chain driven Renault F4AT is the worst engine Renault made (guess what they nicknamed it) French don't do engines , period
@@BIGBOICOMBO your grotesque comment prove your ignorance and your stupidity...and timing belt in oil is a idea made in the USA (Dayco) and use fist by Ford (on gasoline and diesel engines), long before Peugeot...
i like peugeot and citroens but i just wish they made them like they did in 90's ... Really good engines back then , non the less i might still end up buying this or the diesel version of a french car... they are the cheapest options , but also not the least reliable car in my experience, i drove a volkswagen with all sorts of issues , id rather buy a french turd cheaply and drive it to the grave then buy a used VW thats even bigger pile of shit...
You have no idea... It's not a stupid idea and it's has it's benefits. In ford Ecoboost engine there's no problems with the timing belts although it's also a "wet belt" design. Just in Peugeot case they had some problems with belt suppliers.
@@rasmushenriksen199 Nej, de dækkede intet, men de kunne da give lidt kullance på en ny motor, men jeg solgte den med et kæmpe tab. det ville jo gå galt igen, motoren er en fejlkonstruktion ( sagt af en Peugeot/Citroen mekaniker) en anden fejl de går stille med, er at 110hk versionen taber kompression Aldrig i mit liv mere franske biler 🤮
this is the worst engine of all manufacturers. Why did it get all those awards? To mislead people? This engine is made to fail. It´s the defiition of planned obsolescence. It´s complete utter garbage. I feel sorry for all those people that are not interested in cars and therefore buy such crap. And i feel sorry for Opel for building fantastic cars and have to put this garbage into them.
millions of Puretech engines was built and run in millions cars by Peugeot, Citroën, Opel, Fiat, Jeep and Toyota (Pro ace Verso), but the Gen 3 Puretech will be launch during this year 2023 with a chain in replacement for the belt