Dommage qu'il soit aussi peu fiable car il est très agréable à l'usage. Jugé médiocre par l'Argus, de nombreux changements de moteur parfois après même pas 40 000km, la crépine qui se bouche, des consommation d'huile excessives. Un rappel de près de 200 000 véhicules, qui a servi avant tout à faire signé le niveau plan d'entretien plus sévère, mais qui ne semble pas éviter les pannes majeures pour autant. Il y a un groupe Facebook avec presque 2000 personnes, où l'on voit des personnes avec des moteurs morts tous les jours. Une action collective de plusieurs dizaines de leurs membres est en cours.
Every other manufacturer does that in order to keep up with strict emissions regulation. By having the belt oiled up, it reduces friction and provides a smoother operation of the engine. Whether it's a good solution long-term is debateable, but today emissions come before durability I guess.
The belt is designed to be submerged in oil but when the injectors (the turbo ones with direct injection) clogs up and spray gasoline on the combustion chamber wall it end up in the oil, destroy the belt and bits of the belt end up in the oil pump and seize the engine.
@@cesarecarbonelli3678 Ecoboost Ford use the same... And when PSA used chainbelt with BMW dudes already said that was a mistake, and before with..... etc...
I have one and I have over 60 thousend killometers on it and its great to Drive. Also the Sound is good :). The only Thing was tue Katalysator with a crack at 57 thousend km but it was getting fixed fast.
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Good engine, but I really do dislike the timing belt running in oil. The cause of many issues, very sensible to oil missuse and to supplier quality topics.
Sympa de voir la ligne de fab du moteur de mon auto qui marche bien depuis 6 ans ... assemblé en France. ... peut être l'un des derniers.... quoi qu'en disent les moralistes, j'en suis fière.
J'espère que vous avez changé la courroie. Car maintenant c'est 6 ans, depuis quelques années. Avez-vous vérifié si vous étiez concerné par le rappel de 200 000 véhicules ? En tout cas il est heureux que votre moteur ait tenu jusque là, car les casses moteur semblent légion ces derniers temps pour celui-ci
@@fleckerifrenchy4159 tous dépend de l'entretien 5ans tu fait la courroie qui plus est très facile à faire si tu attends les 7ans souvent dépose carter cause résidus de courroie dans la crépine. L'huile spéciale pour ce bloc souvent négligées ce qui donne 3ans la courroie
Je pensais comme vous et finalement le moteur est à changer pour un défaut récurrent à la conception du moteur puretech 1.0 68ch. Douche froide et Peugeot s'en lave les mains
not true. the haters are people who owned cars with this garbage engine and when it clogged up with pieces of rubber from the timing belt they realized they bought a piece of french trash
Yeah thats why on newer engines they changed to timing chains. This belt was a "genius" idea. Same shit Ford pulled with the 1.0 ecoboost with the wet belt. Its a stillborn design...
So a full Peugeot main dealer service history from brand new including using only the recommended oil they supplied is poor maintenance? 🙄 The 1.2 Purecrap is just total shite like the support Stellantis gives it's customers, it's why after owning six Peugeot vehicles over 20+ years when I wanted to get rid of my 308 Purecrap as the engine was about to fail at 43k miles I went & factory ordered a brand new Toyota instead. If Stellantis & it's dealers treat customers badly they will remember the bad experience then go spend their money elsewhere on a new vehicle.
@@billyjoe7316 Puretechs are modern Euro 6 engines derived from THP engines. THP is already old tehnology and yes, thp were bmw derived but shared with Mini not necessarily BMW models. So did VTI engines from PSA, bavarian tech shared with Minis as well, but old technology. They were all replaced by puretechs.
This is a great engine. Very strong, very light, yet very powerful, economical and quiet mechanically (in direct contrast to many VAG engines). I have one in my C3 Citroen. It's faultless even after a big mileage.
@Commendatore it has a cambelt lubricated by the engine oil! the engine oil becomes contaminated in use with all the products of combustion,acid carbons water etc , this attacks the material of the belt which sheds particles, which can reduce oil in lubrication galleries, PS this is called 'Progress' by the makers.
Great engine ruined by the catastrophic design flaw of the timing belt in oil. Mine had two failed vvt solenoids before 63k miles so traded it in for a Japanese car.
Il y a en ce moment une campagne de rappel pour les moteurs 1,2 puretech. La courroie se désagrège au contact de l'huile. Il y a un risque de casse moteur. Faire vérifier votre moteur si ce dernier entre dans l'interval 2013 2017
Il faut dire des vérités la courroie est normalement en bain d'huile le rappel est dû a des risques de dilatation de celle-ci qui peut occasionner des problèmes sur d'autres organes pepériphéries mais environ 2% des rappels
Motor je odličan za one koje voze 20000 km godišnje. To što je remen u ulju nije nikakva mana ako se pridržavaju tvornički uputa o mijenjanju što znači da nakon 5 godina i 100000 km je vrijeme da se zamjeni. Ali neki ljudi kupe benzinca pa ga vozaju kao da je dizel u godini dana prevale 80000 km i onda govore da motor nevalja. Inače imam hyundai accenta 1.3 84ks 2001 godina ,opel corsu 1.2 pure tech 75 ks 2021godina i škodu kamiq 1.0 tsi 112 ks 2020 godina i mogu reći da su zadnja dva pravi dragulji a posebno me oduševio 1.2 pure tech s obzirom da ovaj moj nema turbinu
@@bobansupergenije7512 nije on dubre ni promašaj već naši ljudi kad isteče garancija voze kod tobože svojih meštara gdje se isti ne drže specifikacija proizvođača
@@osa-mv4iv Ta sranja su crkavala i u garanciji nema to veze sa majstorima nego sa konstrukcijom i tehnickim resenjima koja su sranje .Taj motro nema resurs da predje preko 200.000 km i uz najbolje dorzavanje.
tenho um peugeot 208 puretech no brasil de 90 cv gostaria de trubina para chegar 130 cv, o miolo do motor é o mesmo ? além da turbina e escapamento quais as outras mudanças que teria que fazer ?
é do meu irmão, mas a idéia é força e economia, e colocar em pratica, um teste de projetar um carro mais forte que um 2.0 e economico como um 1.4, como este motor é na europa, e para andar temos um ap 1.9 turbão de 320 cv kkk, uma caranga pro racha e outra para o dia dia
should have been a maintainence free Chain in Oil , instead of Belt in Oil. Cost me $1000usd at the main dealer to get it changed at 100,000km and 2 days!!
chain are not always free maintenance: exemple TSI issue with also early wearing of chain and/or automatic tensioner. nevertheless i was allways told that rubber/composite and hot oil are not good friends..... it is strange that decades ago, timing chain or even belt was never a issue as long as you follow maintenance recommendation. we were used to cylinder head gasket, failure, cylinder head cracking, equipment failure (water pump, fuel pump ) and so on. it looks like design office like to experiment new design around timing systeme....i wonder what are the requirements behind this ?
Citroën/DS/Peugeot Moteur Puretech 1.2 82 cv Problème : Consommation d’huile importante jusqu’au 17/08/16 Cause : Liée au clapet de déshuileur du couvre culasse Réparation : Couvre culasse à remplacer. Problème : Consommation d’huile importante résultant du gommage de la segmentation du moteur Puretech 1.2 82 ch jusqu’au 14/11/16. Réparation : Remplacement du bas moteur et du boîtier de sortie d’eau si la consommation est supérieure à 0,25 l aux 1 000 km. Véhicules concernés : Citroën C1, C3 et C4 Cactus ; DS3 ; Peugeot
@@questaebenzinah2600 Citroën / DS / Peugeot Engine Puretech 1.2 82 hp Problem: Heavy oil consumption until 08/17/16 Cause: Linked to the oil separator valve of the cylinder head cover Repair: Cylinder head cover to be replaced. Problem: Heavy oil consumption resulting from scrubbing Segmentation of the Puretech 1.2 82 hp engine until 14/11/16. Repair: Replacement of the low engine and the water outlet box if the consumption is greater than 0.25 l per 1,000 km. Vehicles involved: Citroën C1, C3 and C4 Cactus; DS3; Peugeot
tu racontes des conneries mec: mon EB2DT 110cv marche du tonnerre depuis 80 000km (90% de route et autoroute), pas de consommation d'huile, zéro problème, d'ailleurs le seul problème répertorié sur ce moteur c'est la première version de courroies de distribution, jusqu'en 2017: le montage des anciennes courroies est d'ailleurs interdit depuis 2017...
@@leneanderthalien merci monsieur !! Effectivement j'ai déjà pocédé ce moteur en 2013 et pendant trois ans , et j'ai eu une mauvaise expérience !! et je ne suis pas le seul !!! Depuis je roule en 2.0 TDI 👍 aucun problème 240000 km .je vous laisse avec votre Super moteur..!!
Prominte ze vas takhle obtezuji ale premyslim nad koupi tohoto motoru v 5008 1.2 puretech je opravdu tak dobry jak nekteri rikaji ? Hodne lidi mne od toho odrazuje ze tam preskakuje ten remen kvuli tomu oleji...
@@oliverpalko8014 je dobrý. Pracuji profesně s auty v podstatě celý život ( od. r.1981 kdy jsem se vyučil automechanikem) a občas v žertu říkám, že mám auta vypálená jak cejch na čele. Když jsem od nich na pár let odešel, zas mně dohnala. S tímto motorem jsem se svezl poprvé v Peugeotu 308 SW v roce 2016. Do té doby jsem v celku hodně uctíval TSi od VW koncernu ( jak 1,2, tak 1,4). To bylo v době, kdy se většinově nad takovámi motory ohrnoval nos. No a ta zkušenost se mi líbila. Poslední čtyři roky pracuji u Peugeot dealera. když něco prodávám, tak tomu musím věřit. Pro Peugeot pracuji mimo jiné proto, že dnes v podstatě nemá žádný vyloženě problémový motor či převodovku. 1,2 PureTech bez ohledu zda je namontovaný ve 208, 2008, Rifteru, 3008 nebo 5008 je pro mě první volba, když najezdím cokoliv do 20.000 km ročně a většinově budu jezdit městské a příměstské trasy. Tedy lepší volba než nafta. Nafta bude vyhrávat, když auto bude opravdu hodně zatěžované, typicky bude často táhnout přívěs nebo najezdím více než 25.000 km ročně. Benzín je tichounký, má příjemný zvuk, při DEMO jízdě v kopcovitém terénu se snadno přesvědčte jak obrovský má zátah vůči jiným motům už od spodních otáček. Dále pak velmi příjemnou kombinovanou spotřebu. S motory jak už jsem psal nejsou žádné zásadní technické problémy a Peugeot je v tomto směru oproti mojí zkušenosti s jinými značkami hodně pro-zákaznicky nastavený. V základu dostanete u většiny modelů za jednukačku 5 let / 60.000 km záruku a za vcelku malý peníz si ji můžete, a to i dodatečně, prodloužit na 8 let a 200.0000 km. To by Vám mělo dát informaci, jak Peugeot věří své technice. Dávejte pozor od koho si necháváte radit. Už se to hodně zlepšilo, ale spousta lidí dodnes tvrdí, že objem ničím nenahradíš (..nahradíš - turbem a moderní technikou) a pak jsou to v dobrém rady různých automechaniků, kteří si ve vší slušnosti melou pořád to své samé a mluví o něčem, co v podstatě dobře neznají. Tím ani náznakem nechci shazovat jejich kompetenci a schopnost auta opravovat nebo i dobře poradit. Když pořád nebude "pevný v kramflecích", tak se svezte s konkurencí.... litrový a 1,2 motory u Renaultu (sledujte řazení, schopnost motoru zberchat se z nízkých otáček a koukejte na spotřebu), litrová TSI od VW koncernu (1,5 TSI jsou už o mnoho dražší) - to není špatný motor, ale nemá krotící moment 230 Nm jako ten náš a když ho točíte, tak je žravý, vyhněte se starším motorům 1,0 TSI od Fordu, ty nové už jsou prý výborné a ještě zástupce GDI od Hyundai a Kia. Tam pozor na zkušenosti uživatelů s růžovými brýlemi. Někteří lidé od Hyundai jsou prostě příliš velcí srdcaři pro značku a nepřipouštějí si cokoliv špatného. Já bych ten motor ale nechtěl. Jestli chcete vědět více, tak volejte 773760382 P.K.
Its made of a multi composite you see the outer is black and the inside is a white/grey colour. it's not like standard timing belts, 6 years of 80k miles for renewal.
@@mrgodguy1 The Belt is the weak Point of this engine. I drive the 308 1.2turbo puretech. Belt needs changing every 50000km or u risk catastrophic rupture and engine failure.
@@streetrider2487 my own 308 from end 2017 as close 950000km and had no problems (belt change planed at 100 000), but i did myself oil + filtrer changes all 10000km ( i drive 35000km per year...)
The Belt in oil was first use by Ford in the 1.0L 125 hp ecoboost engines, 2 yaers before PSA did.Only the first version from the belt is concerned from the oil damage problems, the new belt use sinze 2017 does not fail, but need to be replace all 100 000km
@@leneanderthalien time will tell. The thing is, why put a plastic/rubber/neoprene/Kevlar belt in oil? If it's inside the engine use a fucking chain! Puretech caused me big problems.
The engine does not have an exhaust manifold. It's built into the cylinder head. This saves weight and causes the engine to warm up more quickly, increasing power and reducing fuel consumption. The spent gases escape through a metal downpipe. The inlet manifold is plastic and runs very cool. The plastic is heat resistance and very durable. It will last the life of the engine.
@@ianburg9905 Which is when the oil soaked cambelt disintegrates and the particles clog up the oil galleries, still they are consistent the 1560cc hdi diesel was designed to kill its turbo , just a variation on a theme.
@@louisgunn Ford use this same engine ( the 1560CC Diesel PSA DV6 your talking about here ) in the Focus MK3 but improved design & called the Ford Duratorq engine , ours has the bigger turbo oil feed pipe to improve flow & reliabilty but I change the oil about every 3000 - 3500 miles and it comes out the sump like water & yet Ford state approx 20000 miles , no way as this is why a lot are failing resulting in turbo failure , not many people realise a regular oil & filter change is the actual secret behind a long lasting engine 👍
Cuando yo digo que casi 7 litros .....es que es así .Me está gastando igual que un R- 21 que tube hace 20 años un 1,7 de carburador y 80cv.....y aquel era un BÓLIDO al lado del c3
The timming belt problem has no justification at all.I am pretty sure than with the ingeniers we have today they were aware than this problem will happen. The only logical conclusion is that Peugeot people want the car to fall apart to sell you a new one,plus the money you will spend in reparations
The most cars who use morse chains as the chain undersized= lengten and fast wearing from the teets from the cogwheels= often out of service after only 100 000km inclusive on japanese cars...the best engines was fitted with duplex rollerchains...but my old 2cv as a geardriven camshaft thats far the most reliable system...
Il y a en ce moment une campagne de rappel pour les moteurs 1,2 puretech. La courroie se désagrège au contact de l'huile. Il y a un risque de casse moteur. Faire vérifier votre moteur si ce dernier entre dans l'interval 2013 2017
@@greggreg5853 Dans mes jeunes années d'apprentissage, j'ai appris à monter les silent bloc au Lockheed de frein car l'huile désagrège le caoutchouc !!! Comment les ingénieurs de PSA en sont ils arrivés là !!!
@@alainvenel2987 Il paraît que dans certaines usines, les employés ont monté la mauvaise courroie. C'est une hypothèse. Tous les moteurs de la gamme puretech ne semblent pas tous être touchés. Quelques pourcents ! Bizarre.
@@greggreg5853 J'ai une Opel Grandland de 09/17 avec ce moteur Puretech, quand je tire la jauge d'huile, je vois clairement de minuscules débris noir dans l'huile ! Mon concessionnaire me dit que mon véhicule n'est pas concerné ! À la prochaine révision je vais récupérer mon filtre à huile (cartouche à visser sur ce moteur Puretech) je vais l'ouvrir et voir l'état.
yes.. you made an engine with a timing BELT inside the engine with the boiling oil. good job, you managed to find a way to make an engine that lasts only 70k km lmao
@@jerryrawlings8885 New belts are better. Even so, interval for changing them has been shortened to 100000km/6 years. And of course there's the carbon deposit on the intake valve problem. Which all engines with direct petrol injection appear to have.
But... The THP has a lot of problems with the chain then this timming belt. In Brazil, almost all BMW and PSA cars with that THP engine has a lot of problems with timming chain and turbo.
So a 3 cylinder, 12 valve, twin cam driven by a wet timing belt unit with a turbo charger. Been there done that its called the Ford Ecoboost engine. So nothing new just copied someone else though I suspect as Ford have used PSA units for many years it was more a collaboration than breach of copyright.
@@chel59846 ben oui comme dans toutes les marques . Une voiture moyenne c'est 30000 euros blindé d'électronique qui ne sert à rien , et toutes les emmerdes qui vont avec . Une bonne occaz c'est bien bon.
Inlet valves coked up at just 34k miles & required specalist cleaning - the benefits of direct fuel injection 🙄 Puretech, sounds nice & decent fuel economy but owning one is like holding on to a hand grenade with the pin removed. We won't even mention the wet timing belts failing.
carbon deposits on valves is caused from the direct injection and known on ALL direct injection engines: on older indirect injection was the intake valves "washed" from the injected gasoline, but not on direct injection, and the internal fumes from the engine (oil vent) who are re-suked, did burn on the intake valve and klog it...
De distributieriem die gemonteerd is laat zich na nog geen 100dkm gereden te hebben zich van zijn slechte kant zien Er is bij het ontwerpen geen rekening gehouden dat hij in olie draait . Er is 180dkm beloofd maar hij brokkelt af. Niet zo'n beste beurt Peugeot . Er is veel geld mee gemoeid om de non conformiteit op te lossen. Eigenaars hebben een brief gehad met de JZR terugroepactie
Probablemente sea el peor motor de todo el presente siglo. Es como si a los ingenieros no se les hubiera OCURRIDO otra cosa que volver a motores JAPONESES abandobados el la década del 65 al 75.........
I bought a brand new C3 Aircross 1.2 puretech 81kw year 2020. After 95,000 km, the oil strainer got clogged due to the process of disassembling the shitty belt in the oil and the "oil pressure error" warning light came on. I always had the oil and filters changed 1000km or 2000km before the 15000km interval at an authorized service center!!! And that belt is falling apart and that is why it is necessary to flush the engine if the error appears to get the pieces of rubber out of it and replace the oil strainer with timing belt. The 1.2 puretech with turbo has enough power and is pleasantly quiet, but this is a complete nonsense by design to put the belt in oil, because it can destroy the whole engine. I would definitely not recommend the 1.2 puretech despite it has pleasant driving characteristics. The French claimed that they solved the problem with a new belt, but based on experience I will say that the problem persists. I would be curious if they will solve it in the future, especially for cars they have already sold. For anyone who wants to defend this engine in terms of reliability, 50,000 km is no big deal. Wait for 100,000km or 150,000km. It's a ticking time bomb.
Y al poco se te va la corre de distribución , te atasca la bomba de aceite y au revoir. Un pleno francés . Mi caso con este mierda de motor y sus fallos , que hagan una llamada a revisión masiva porque estamos todos iguales
Вот это говнище. За ремень в масле вам подготовлен отдельный котел в аду...масло засирается ремнем со скоростью 3000км и масло в замену - иначе ложатся кольца.
Have this motor (2016, Peugeot 308SW Active) - absolute failure. The Timing belt flakes get to oil and even after replacement by recall finally killed the engine. Now consumes 1 kg of oil for 1000km. Engine replacement required, jsut 131,000 km. 2nd car - Ford Focus MK3 - 250000km no oil loss, works like a swiss clock. Shame on you - PSA
