True, however the 0-60 gives some idea as to how a car can get its power down... Although it means a little less these days, as its easily tweaked to sell cars (to a point).
+Flash Man i think if you say something like that "ugly ass piece of shit gtr's..blabla" you're not really a car enthousiast..i like and appreciate all cars! Every car has its ups and downs! I dream of both the gt2rs and the gtr! But also every other sports/supercar...you have to appreciate all of they're technology and r&d and desigsn's..offcourse one can like one more than an other,but to say you hate it and its shit and all that? I dont know...
Ten years ago when these cars were new, the Nissan GTR was less than half the price of the Porsche 911 GT2RS. A more apt comparison would be the GTR vs the 997 911 Turbo. Those two cars were roughly equal in performance. Even then, the 911 Turbo was more expensive, so an even more apt comparison would be the GTR Spec V vs the 911 Turbo S. I have never seen those two cars compared, probably because the Spec V was only sold in Japan. Today, the 992 911 clearly outshines the twelve year old R35 GTR. Nissan needs to come out with the R36 soon in order to be relevant in the supercar market again.
@112namrepus Yes comparison with the GT3, GT3 RS, or Turbo S would make sense. Preferably on a dry track. I don't know how much it costs to lease the car, pay the insurance, and film these videos, but I think the guys at Autocar should do some more GT2 RS vs. comparisons
Its obvious that Jamie is having a great time in that car!! =D Nice comparison! Nice job! Ans since I don't want a race car for an everyday use, I'll stay with the Carrera for myself, please! :)
@benpowellfforddlas i think this is because the use LEDs in the rear lights and to save power consumption they power the LEDs around 100 times per second. With the naked eye you can't see it but trough a camera you see it flashing. Its just the same as you point a camera at a old computer monitor or tv screens.
@eeeen321 lol well said by you to. the awd drive turbo really is just an absolute bomb shell! It just seems to be able to destroy every car and never seems to try and look over the top like a lambo, quietely confident. They raced it against one of our australian touring V8 supercars, turbo was leading first half of the lap, then fell down on gear ratio difference. Do u think the turbo could really beat the gt2rs cause of the awd?
Might just be me, but Jamie Castorphine comes across as a really competent and likeable presenter, along with Steve Sutcliffe. If only they had Chris Harris back, they could rival that programme on the BBC as a serious - but entertaining alternative. Keep up the good work Autocar, and I'll keep renewing my subscription : )
@saxaza97 and what you would have at the end of the day is still a Carrera that probably still isn't as quick as a GT2 RS. And even if it could match it in a straight line, which I doubt, it would still corner like a Carrera. Wouldn't you rather just save up for a bit longer until you get that 20k then buy a GT2 RS or something awesome
From a physics point of view the engine in the 911 is actually in the best place. It's the hardest layout to harness as it lends itself to knife edge handling at the limit but technically the best.
@rxs10000 yeah. i definitely know what you mean. i live in America, you're about 10,000x more likely to see a corvette than a gt2rs. Ive only seen one in a gray color. it was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@edoloman24 umm because its made for the track with balance in mind, not just a science experiment to see how much power can be squeezed out of the motor....it doesn't have turbos so the power and torque distribution through the rev range is more linear...driving this car will definitely be harder to get all that power down and not lose control where as the gt3 rs 4.0 will be like a race car, i guarantee the gt3 will be like glue around the same corners where this car would spin out...
I fail to see why this comparison is based on the price difference. The price difference between these cars is irrelevant. Why you might ask? Simple. The GT2RS is a car that will be purchased by someone who can afford it. Someone who is going to drop that much money really doesn't care about the price. You're paying for prestige and exclusivity in that price range. The 911 on the other hand is a car that is attainable to your average enthusiast. Both cars meet different segment needs. Period.
@TheBehemod I thought they flash under hard braking, so drivers behind are alerted and aware. I heard about Mercedes putting this in their cars a few years ago, where the brake light was meant to be a brighter or stronger red under hard braking.
@AlexDeLarge90 Here you are right, too. When you buy a Porsche you also have to pay for the brand and its successes in motorsports. A bit like these expensive apples on some computers. ;)
@rxs10000 I saw one too, on my Birthday. I was in Downtown, Vancouver walking to a building then I saw this beautiful silver GT2 RS and couldn't keep my eyes off it. Too bad the GT2 RS is extremely limited -.-
It should be GT2 RS vs Carrera GT.Although the GT has a V10 and the GT2 a V6,they roughly have 612+ BHP.They're both made from light materials,both RWD and both can reach 200+ MPH,they are both neck and neck =)
911 GT2 RS vs 599 GTO vs LP670-4 SV vs ZR1 on a dry day with a proper racing driver and similar tires. I would wet myself for that one :D Thumbs up if you would too
the ceramic brakes that porsche offeres really puzzle me. the base carrera has porsche's lowly black coloured brakes. while the carrera s has the better red brakes. the gt2 rs has the $9000 ceramic brake option and it only stops 3 meters shorter than the carrera. this can only mean three things. 1. the ceramic brakes are not worth the money 2. the base carrera's brakes are already above par 3. if you do actually pay for the yellow brakes you're most likely paying for the yellow calipers.
@Truemoderate $100,000 for a base Carrera? What have you been smoking? The Porsche website right now cites the base Carrera as having a starting MSRP of just over $77,000. The first car in the 911 line that goes six-digit is the Carrera S Cabriolet, and the first hard-top to cross the hundred-thousand mark is the Carrera GTS. A good half of the Porsche 911 range starts under $100,000 and while that may very well go up with their infamous options list, it'd be hard to get a $100k Carrera 2.
The line the two drivers are taking through the corners is completely different.... whoever was driving the regular 911 wasn't even trying (or has no skill)... not an even comparison ... still a great glimpse of the GT2 RS's amazing attributes though. What a car!!
true you pay for what you get but for 90% of the drivers and 98% of the time the base 911 is all that you need unless you just want to take it to the track and race it which even takes ore bucks as the wear and tear of tires among everything else.
What a great discussion about the GTR and the GT2 RS. Why don't you compare teh laptimes? Let's see how fast they are on the Nordschleife: GTR: 7:38 GT2 RS: 7:24 Looks like the Posche owned the japanese toycar.
I love the GT2 a lot but I genuinely thought it will destroy the humble base car. But Twice as fast and cost more than 3 times the price. I’d take the Carrera and be happy if I took the GT2 based on this test at nearly 4 times the price of the Carrera, I’ll feel like I was robbed!
On a track you only do a launch maybe once (if your actually racing) in the real world you stop all over the place, and i find myself quite often in a street light started drag race.
@tikrik78 lol, no, not on a "dry Nurburgring". I agree 100% with that; thats why I said "on a track where the gt2rs is just spinning", But I should have just said, "On a short, curve-tastic track".... The dry Ring', THAT is where the GT2rs would FLY!!!!!!!!
@kshahab6: First, you have to understand that Porsche brakes are one of the best (if not the best!) there is!! So, improving the braking distance by 50cm is already very difficult!! So, 3m is huge!!!! But, most of all, braking is more about feeling and durability than about braking distance! And for this purpose, the ceramic brakes are virtually undestructible!! (in the reality, you have to change them if you practise track very often and very hard) And last thing, they are much more lighter!
@MeisterYodarkus There's a simple explanation for that. It is called "the price of a brand". Levi's can charge more for their jeans despite them not being better qualiwise than many other brands. Harley Davidson were nowhere near the qualitylevels of japanese motorcycles in the 80's and 90's (and not now either), but since it was a Harley they could still charge a higher price. A Rolls Royce Silver Spirit wasn't three times better than a Mercedes S-class, but it was a Rolls Royce!! Get it??
People love talking about how the engine is in the wrong place on 911's at one point in time that might have been a reasonable argument...one thing you cant argue with is a 7:18 around the Nurburgring. aka faster than any road ferrari, lamborghini, pagani, maserati, mercedes, bmw, audi, ford, and chevrolet. Sometimes wrong can be right i guess
@ultimatefang007 I agree - but then you would sadly never ever get any presents for Christmas ever again. You would simply be to naughty the rest of the year!
I would wait a bit, and pick up a GT2 RS at a police impound auction for pennies on the dollar after the previous owner was imprisoned for a record breaking speeding ticket.
@subzerostorm well said. It was a rather pointless review, I was confused why they did not grab a gt3?? the base Carrera is on the opposite end of the 911-spectrum, which I don't consider a comparable test at all. : \ I would have even been more please with the awd 911turbo; the awd turbo would have more than likely out lapped the gt2rs. Re-race with a gt3, or even a gt3rs VS. the gt2rs (with a dry track)
if the weight to power is almost double the carrera and the diffrence is 3 sec around track..i could use the extra 100 grand and use it that is more usefull in real life
There we go again and again! Every video with either Porsche, Corvette or GTR will just have other fanboys bashing and talk crap about each other. I'd love to debate about the GTR but because I love a Porsche alot I won't other wise people will get the wrong idea.
I'd still take a Cayman S over these two. The GT2 RS is too extreme to use on the road and the Cayman has been proven to handle better than the 911's thanks to its mid-engine layout.
@kaimelis lol.. That's because Top Gear's an entertainment show, broadcast by one of the largest television networks in the world! They don't do constructive, impartial reviews. When Top Gear's been going for over a hundred years, your point may have some substance. In the meantime, please don't bother replying to me with your petty, pointless argument. Thank you, take care & have a nice day :)
I've discovered a 911 turbo 03 with x50 with 14k miles for 60 grand vs the Carrera s with 45k miles and 08 year for the same price, guess what I'm thinking???? I'll never have an opportunity to own a true sport car or race car all in one, If I don't take this 03 I'll never have a classic or your not so everyday driving experience to own in my life. this mean's everything to own a legend 200 mph race car that will flat out fly. see ya on the street.
I don't think so. With more than 200 HP shy and two and half times the weight, F1 cars will simply kill it. F1 will not allow it because Porsche is not participating in F1.
