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The A110S runs no camber up front from the factory, which causes the understeer. After a new geo setup by Manthey racing the turn-in and grip made my A110S a different car. And yet another one with Cup2 tires. The geometry changes are a MUST for every A110 owner ;)
yep, i'm always frustrated that these comparisons are made with stock geo because some cars are really hold back by the stock alignment (0 camber up front for safety)
1.5s on a 45 second lap is like... quite a lot still. The Alpine is much lighter too. For 8 grand difference you get quite a lot more stuff in the Cayman as well, it's not like these are cheap cars to begin with.
Yeah unfair compareason taking account of price and options. Compare to similarly priced and power 718 cayman PDK 300 (still pricier) , the Alpine beats it on acceleration and circuit
One major point; The base price of the Caymen is the price shown. As ever with Porsche, that includes almost nothing. You will have to add about £8k in extras to get close to the spec of the Alpine. I have been through the process and have driven them back to back. I am dailying an Alpine S now. I will take the 1 second a lap. The bonus is that is that I am not playing ‘German badge wars’ either!
Hard to judge: The 718S is 5K cheaper and still a bit up in power, the GTS is 5K more expensive - but with better equipment. I think it fits quite well because above that is still the GT4 and in a few months even a GT4 RS. The 718 S is also close to the price of a normal A110 Alpine. There is just 4K difference in it. So considering price and what it stands for in the model range it fits perfectly.
@@marcnobel3938 718s is closer match in price, statistics (power to weight ratio) engine size and type, plus gearbox if PDK was specced. I bet they’d give a more similar lap time.
@@SkyrimCZtutorials German "sport auto" did that comparison with the Cayman GT4 on Hockenheim GP track: Manual version was 1/10 of a second faster than PDK.
Big fan of the Alpine 110s, nice engine note from the 4 cylinder, looks planted although surprised to learn of the understeer in the wet/damp..... Took delivery of my Cayman GTS 4.0 in November. Having owned the 718 S previously I can confirm the engine soundtrack is transformed.... whether just cruising in town or pushing it hard on sweeping backroads. Two great cars, each offering something slightly different. Each to their own but very happy with my choice.... just looking forward to some better weather!
@@tamasszabo8824 The GTS 4.0 is definitely without the lower end torque of the 718 S so to get same performance you need to be pushing above 5,000 rpm - and so a quite different but very rewarding experience. There is a lot of rubbish written about the 2.5 turbo engines - I loved that car too. GTS 4.0 just edges it performance wise but ultimately it’s more about the drama / soundtrack for me.
I seriously doubt the Cayman would be anywhere near as much fun in the real world. The limits are way too high and at normal speeds it's kinda dull. Maybe half the width of the tyres would help....
I own a 981 GTS. Nothing could be further from the truth. Fun is about more than exploring the limits of your car, it’s also about the sensations - the sound, how it responds as you ease it into a corner, the crisp PDK shifts, etc. I couldn’t ask for a more engaging daily.
Here in Austria I drove a lot of sports cars and bought the A110S. Even the Porsche is very different (also the S, GTS and GT4). The Alpine A110 and A110S are daily useable and so much fun to drive. Everyone should test drive one before buying. But I know .... a Porsche is more valid anywhere ... but on the roads for me it's the A110S best experience 👍😍
@@CathodeRayNipplez Hi from Austria to Australia 😁 Here the A110S with all options is 81,000 €. Starting price (with a lot of options already standard compared to A110 Pure) it's 65,000 €. So, with all in like mine it's a Porsche starting price for the GTS. Configured like I would buy the GTS it's here nearly 100,000 €
@@CathodeRayNipplez The A110 Pure starts here in Austria at 58.000 €. It's already enough for having real fun on the road. For me the A110S is more my way of driving, but the options I took are also not needed. So for the A110S 65.000 € would be enough. Australia is WOW! How expensive for the A110 and the Porsche!
I would agree with u. But porsches usually have hideous long gear ratios. Hopefully this one doesn't. Alpine normal one is awesome though better than the s. Comfortable suspension too.
@@stevecade857 underrated comment bro. True. Hope they release a hybrid cayman, where I live the taxes will drop significantly. Otherwise the base model costs as much as a porsche gt3.
A110 (non S) for the daily and a Lotus Cup or Porsche GT4 for going quick! This time gap would have been larger in the dry btw. A) the GTS could have used more of its power advantage and B) the softer suspension of the Alpine helps with weight transfer in the wet
I wonder if the 2.5T PDK GTS would have been even faster around this track. It wouldn’t have the nice melody of the 4.0 NA but when it comes to lap times it might be even better.
You could certainly be right. I would like to know this as well. In my opinion the natural response of the 4.0 NA would help in the wet conditions. But I could see it going either way. Is the 2.5T GTS lighter than the 4.0?
@@memememine1 the 2.5 GTS manual is 1375kg vs 1405kg for the 4.0 GTS manual. It would be an interesting comparison but I haven’t been able to find one anywhere. Don’t get me wrong, I own a base 987 boxster so I really like the boxer-6, but I’m tempted to say the real bargain sportscar might turn out to be a used 2.5 GTS as their resale value will be impacted by the introduction of the 4.0 GTS.
@@gb6281 I would prefer the 4.0 GTS as well but you’re missing my point. Since they focused on track times in the video, the 2.5 GTS performance becomes relevant. Even a Cayman S might be faster than the 4.0 GTS (could be due to the gear ratios?), but I would still pick the 4.0 if I was offered the choice.
@@SornGeorge No, I got you. The GTS 4.0 is pushup up close to track focused GT4. Don't get me wrong. I have a 981S and it's amazing but the GTS 4.0 is much more ready and designed for the track then a 2.5 Turbo 718S
The problem with that Cayman is no matter how much it cost relative to the Alpine, wherever you go most people will respond 'oh that's one of those cheap Porsches'.
@@CathodeRayNipplez I did some digging and apparently it was actually coined from the Italian word impresa. Maybe someone thought that it should be pronounced like pizza or Venezia despite the fact there is no Z in that word. Either way, I think the American way is technically the most correct.
@@stevecade857 German "sport auto" did that comparison with the Cayman GT4 on Hockenheim GP track: Manual version was 1/10 of a second faster than the PDK version.
Porsche will always be Porsche.. 1,5sec in a 45sec lap is HUGE difference.. I can't tell for sure, but I think that the track was getting dryer on the Alpine lap.. What's for sure, is that the Alpine was also in much better tyres, The Pzero are very good of course, but the PS4s are on another level, something that boosts even more the "accomplishment" of the Porsche. ... Another confirmation that between more power and less weight, power will always make the difference even on an equal power/weight ratio. Pity for the understeer of the Alpine despite the lower weight, this is why it can't be a match for a mid-engine vehicle!
@@adamkelsall3942 You are correct and thank you for pointing that out, I had missed this detail. Which makes the tendency to understeer even "more unexplicable"
@@papajimg9238 Dont get carried away too much. If you compare the Alpine to the similarly priced and powered 718 cayman T pdk, the Alpine beats it in acceleration and on circuit, and in almost every aspect
1480 kg for the cayman gts kerb weight are you serious ? This is enormous, it's only 195kg lighter than a 918 with its huge batteries, especially for a gts supposed to be lighter than the basics, that's closer from a sledgehammer than a sports car, that's disappointing coming from Porsche
Kerb is actually 1405. European figures also include cca 80kg for driver. Well what would you expect? Cars arent getting any lighter with all of the safety measures engineered
@@akfrets3770 More than 2 tons loaded with passengers aboard, I guess the Cayman is not that heavy, but even 1120kg for the Alpine looks a lot to me, as a Gordon T50 which is way bigger weighs 140 kg less (ok, not the same category at all)
Cayman has a steel chassis unlike the aluminium A110 or Evora/Emira, that would explain a higher weight. When the rivals use spaceframes, would you call the use of a standard steel unibody as cost-cutting by Porsche... I dunno?
Glad to see the initial hype surrounding the Alpine, has well & truely been quashed, and the Porsche has proven it is the better machine. I look forward to seeing the same thing happen to the new, over-hyped, Yaris.
Thought with it being wet that this would help a smaller, lighter car.............but you said that the wet helped the heavier car???????? PS the Alpine will still have understeer in the dry as you said it was engineered in as a safety feature.
The Alpine’s suspension geometry is very adjustable and comes out of the factory with less than ideal settings. Unlikely to trouble the Porsches laptime however. The understeer could be dialled out - fun doesn’t always equal faster laptimes.
Nice review, but can you so-called professional journalists from the UK please learn how to pronounce the name of one of the most important brands on the planet? It's Poh-she or Por-sha, two simple syllables that even you can learn. Is Nike pronounced 'Neekie', is Telsa pronounced 'Tea-sla'? No, everyone knows that. How many years is it going to take for it to sink into your weird British skulls?
Always the same old mindless lap time comparison ! 🤦♂️🙄 Furthermore when there is a 100 HP difference ! 🤨🙄 What is important in a sports car is the dynamic behaviour ! The right thing to do in a comparison like this was to compare more deeply the dynamic qualities and negatives of each car ! this guy has a lot of improvements to make before judging cars 😏
