Punish Thin Value Bettors with This Play 

Does euro actually mean European or does it mean European crusher

Let’s be fair. He didn’t say he was a “bad” euro. He just wasn’t a good Euro!

@@virajs.8864Bart means basically any non American player when he says Euro, including Asians, especially those who are traveling to play semi professionally or professionally

@@adamseidel9780 Asians are Euros, too!? Now THAT is being American

@@AtomicAndi that poster is confused. Bart refers to Asians as Asians.

Where I play at regularly you can straddle from anywhere and honestly all the thinking players including myself straddle the button every single time. Do agree that it is overall bad for the game tho.

Or they just leave the table or move seats. I refuse to play at that disadvantage more than a couple orbits if I can't move.

perhaps his kicker is what determined what point of his range he was in, as in he didn't have a wide range of quality hands and he should only call with a certain percentage. so the kicker is what determined to him that he wasn't high enough in his own range to call. just spitballing.

It's bizarre. Qx is entirely (not nearly) a bluff-catcher here, but it's so hard to find hero's value hands that get played as an x/r on the river, unless villain is the sort who will over-fold to triple-barrels, but will often bet when you check to them, and then make a loose call (or tight fold) if you x/r them. This would totally work against me, but I don't think I'd ever take this line with AK, when villain looks like he's never folding.

@@1vailchris Yeah, they talked about it a bit: Hero has a very small value range; his Check-Raise line makes probably the most sense when he is capable to play AA/KK this way, and faces an aggressive opponent who often bets the River. - But, as this may in real-time not always be the case ( he may bet AA more often than not) , and as the line looks fairly bluffy ( top pair is supposed to be very curious , and call, with eyes closed) , it falls a bit into the "random spew" category.

@@johns783 assuming that's the thought process, I'd be curious what the call vs fold range looks like. Q6 and worse are probably folding pre-flop. Q7 is probably going to raise flop, and QT is going to raise turn. Q8 and Q9 conceivably have some back-door potential on the flop, but probably fold turn. That basically just leaves QJ and KQ. But why is he betting either of those hands on the river for value, then folding? Does he really think hero is going for a x/r with AQ, or KQ? If hero isn't likely to x/r with either of those hands, the kicker shouldn't matter. It seems like hero's x/r is trying to represent a monster, which is really just As7s or Qs7s.

@@1vailchris yea i'm just guessing. so maybe he does have q8 and q9 that he gets sticky with. to him his whole range on the river really only is top pairs based on his line. so if he has to call with some percentage and that entire range is AQ to Q8 then he should be folding out that lower portion, so maybe he was sitting there with the literal worst hands (Q9 or 8) he gets to this spot with, tries to get his thin value, and folds. just trying to create a scenario that might make sense to explain it.

Hot damn! I'll have to visit.

@@SerErryk I drive from 1.5hrs away(in good Traffic) from out of state and pay 9$ in tolls just to play there. Northern Ill has a lot of Money, and no shortage of people that think you just sit down and win with no real idea of what it takes to be a winning player. The room also runs a decent high hand jackpot every hour that attracts the Fish like crazy, that runs every day not named Friday or Saturday. I promise you, it's worth the drive.

I play out of that room too. Im glad that I saw this and that it's not just me. I considered quitting my job and playing full time but I don't trust the win rate. It's so much higher than my win rate at Grand Victoria that I'm wondering if it will revert to the mean or if the games will stop being so good.

I don't get it either. AK wouldn't seem to have enough showdown value here to risk villain checking back with all his Qx. If villain is terrible, he could have a lot of 7x here. He might also be bad enough to not realize QT is losing to over-pairs when the board pairs 7's on the river, and make a snap call, thinking his 2P are the best hand. This play would only seem to work against villains who will often bet thin for value or as a bluff when you check to them, but who are capable of making tight folds when they get raised.

@@1vailchrisI’m calling the check-raise with QT in V’s spot. You block QQ and TT which seem two of the most likely hands to make this play. Sure you lose to AA/KK but I really don’t see those hands check-raising river.

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj trying to put myself in villain's position hurt my head. If I have QT, I'm raising turn. If hero calls, and the board pairs on the river, if hero has AA or KK, he might lead out, but that would be weird after villain took the lead on the turn. I'd expect hero to check and villain to bet there, and for hero to just call, when villain has so much TT in his range. If hero checks, I'm just checking back with QT, because what hands can hero have that will call and I beat, other than AQ and KQ, and maybe some sliver of QJ? All my other Qx hands I get to the river with are suited Q's with the Q of spades in them, (AQ, KQ, QJ, Q9, Q8), and I'm just checking back with all of them, because I'm blocking all hero's top pairs and hero's busted flush draws, and the hands I want hero to have (like QJ), weighting him more towards over-pairs. The rest of my range is 7x combos that were either 2p on flop or turn and are now a boat or are 7x with the 7 of spades, like As7s. I'm betting with all those hands, and calling hero's x/r. That's why this line is so bizarre - villain's river betting range seems to be heavily weighted towards hands that aren't folding.

Our bluffs like KJs/AJs would also want to empty the clip

@@martinst-pierre6620 I'd rather barrel the river without a spade in my hand. Villain's called three streets already. It doesn't look like he's in a folding mood, so I'm probably going to check-fold here with hero's hand.

Was it a "good Townie" or a "bad Townie"

Don’t bring up 5th street 🐔 or I will yt 👋 u

AK is just a terrible hand to bluff with even though people always put others on AK. Theoretically, there are way worse hands to bluff here with, like KJ/89/A5 that lose to all made hands and better A highs, whereas AK beats all bluffs. Not saying hero should have called here with AK, just that people always end up bluffing with AK when it is rarely used as a bluff by solvers except in certain configurations.

Somebody is away from the table taking a walk. So table is playing less than full.

@@The20thHijacker ohhh lmao its literal

Yeah, villain bet less than 1/4 pot. That's rarely a bluff, unless villain is just terrible at bet-sizing. There's so much more Qx and 7x in villain's range compared to hero's range that I might take this line with 7x if I'm in hero's spot. With over-pairs, I'm just going to triple-barrel and hope to get value from villain's Qx.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Hands over, ehat relevance does him telling the truth or not have? But regardless Of course he has a queen. I see this shit all day, river bet identical to turn bet. This is never a bluff. Villian is going for value.

@@charlesnewborn3760 Its relevant to the analysation after the hand. All analysation was based on the fact the he did have the queen. And just because you claim to see this kinda bet all the time and it means that this is a queen is just not logical.

Villain did have a queen here.

@@EllieBanks333 Oh he did? I missed that part where he showed

@@DonTrump-sv1si He said villain tanked for along time on the river. Probably not going to take minutes to fold a bluff.