Real Lawyer Reacts: Apple River Trial Recap - How Interpreters Affect A Trial 

Seriously like WTF was the prosecutors thinking?!?! Do they want to lose their case?!?!?

Now I want to know details, lol. I was losing my mind listening to the questions and responses, thinking how in the world is this so difficult and confusing.

Me too 😡

⁠@@Gracebk4tqthe case is weak, it’s not easy to convict when the case is this weak

Absolutely! The interpreter missed crucial details on the witness emotional and mental state as well as details about opposing parties. Also, having a Spanish speaking police officer conducting the interview is not sufficient nor does it allow the witness to have an objective person there to be neutral. Why on cross for the defendant did they not throw out that evidence about the interview conducted by the Spanish speaking police officer.

Good point.

i thought of that too! i would have never thought a little pocket knife would do all that damage.

I still believe that Miu is guilty. The force he used was not appropriate. His behavior aroused suspicion in the teens. Why does a 50's individual act like that? I am 69 and would never have acted like that. Very immature of Miu. I am sure the State will make mince meat of Miu when he takes the stand next week. Miu never stayed behind to tell police he acted in self defense. He lied and said the teens had a knife. The way he acted while in police car. He knew to put on his shirt hat and sunglasses but in the police car he acts clueless. Unbelievable.

He didn't bug out in a car without a drop of blood in it or on him in that time though. Duh. If he did do that he probably did not take a car.

@@LTPottenger I’m not trying to argue that case here, but he would have had plenty of time to do the crime then strip off whatever coveralls and bag up before he got into the car.

Totally agree with you!

It doesn't matter. He had no right to kill anyone. Period.

@@trucuriousityhe certainly had the right to defend himself.

​@trucuriousityi I would have in those circumstances. A pack of animals surrounding me and me the weak one? Yep, you bet, if it's them or me it's gonna be them!

@@trucuriousityI’m with you on this one. He could have walked away, not engaged. As an adult, when I’ve been around obnoxious children I just leave. However, I still think the jury will find him no guilty. That’s my guess

@@trucuriousity I agree 💯

1, 2, 3 - irrelevant to the self defense charge. 4. Maybe, or she was shoving a phone in his face and he was just clearing his personal space. 5. Might have worked, but when he came up swinging, he might have been really fearing for his life, and not in a position to make a reasoned assessment of the situation. 6. Irrelevant to whether subsequently when he was in the water being whacked and pushed he felt he was in danger. My assessment is that he is guilty - of manslaughter and intentional endangerment etc - but I suspect that the state will lose because of overcharging - but it won't matter for re-election or political advancement - so winning!

Absolutely

They held up a phone. I think he thought it was his friends

The Defense has nothing to work so they have to use every dirty trick in the book. Its just a game to them. Egos and all that. Once its a televised trial they CANT lose. Because winning will triple the value of their practice over night.

Thank you for this info. Good luck with your certification exam!

Thank you!! As an ASL Interpreter - love that you clarified the difference! Good luck with your testing!

Don’t forget that he told police that he had no weapon and they were brandishing at least two knives at him.

​@@salinaraey5165yeah that was a big mistake on his part and that could put him behind bars for a long time. The whole incident was a big mistake. Walking away is always the best opinion.

Well said. Finally a person who sees Miu for what he really is.

If you watch the video again, he is speaking to the females until the boys come up from behind him. He was 62 ft down river from initial contact with raft group to stabbing area so that show he did walk away. He took a couple steps back from the females and they continued advancing on him. 0.25 speed video is amazing and i hope jury gets that as well

@@salinaraey5165 I didn’t actually see that. I haven’t watched opening statements or seen any police interrogation videos besides what was said at the river. I wonder if the defense will say that he was afraid to speak because of his accent. That it may have made things worse. Not justified-just curious. They keep saying he wasn’t drinking but that would mean he had his wits about him compared to the other kids/adults. He seemed like he was on something though. He was off and not in shock in my opinion.

Exactly. How sharp did that knife have to be to slice someone open like that?

@@salinaraey5165 People are soft. I cut veggies with very dull knives. Not hard to imagine.

@salinaraey5165 The knife was just 2 inches long. Had to have force to plunge and use upward motion to inflict maximum damage. That is intent to kill. Several of those kids almost died. It wasn't just slicing through skin or superficial wounds, it was deadly wounds to vital organs (intestines, diaphragm, heart). How can anyone not see the difference between drunk kids being foolish (yet not violent since they didn't attack him even when he charged them and pushed on the tubes they were sitting on, and they called for help instead of attacking him when he wouldn't leave.) Versus him, he claims self defense when he never called for help, refused to leave, and was the 1st to use violence by striking the female. He's old enough, any sane person, to know that would set off a reaction in her male friends standing nearby.

@@sA-ny2jlwe don’t know for sure that he struck the female!

Several items that stand out as not self defense, but 3 main items. Self defense has to be that you fear for your life being in immediate danger, and have no choice left but to use deadly force. If he feared for his life, then why did HE refuse to leave when everyone else was asking him to leave, walk away from the situation. That was his obvious no violence choice, just walk away. 2nd, using a 2 inch knife, yet he gutted one kid with his intestines spilling out, the girl he plunged into her diaphragm, etc and killed the last kid. That takes a lot of force, and deliberate upward motion to inflict as much damage as possible. He wasn't wildly swinging or slicing, he was plunging the knife deep and upward. That is intent to kill. Which makes it seem like rage, not fear. 3rd, He lied to police and claimed the boys had assaulted him trying to pull down his pants, and they had knifes and we're threatening him; that he had no knife, and had no choice but to defend himself.

@sA-ny2jl Those are very good points. I would have been scared and would have bolted from there as fast as I could to get back to the safety of my friends. #2 is hard for me to get past. Is it self defense to stab multiple people?? Having a hard time wrapping my head around how that is self defense. I do think that the young guys started it by taunting him and then surrounding him. That in itself would be terrifying, but he did have a chance to walk away...

I believe the defendant is guilty. He murdered Isaac

I speak Spanish and I can tell you that every time Ariel kept saying he didn’t understand the question, he was BSing.

I watched some of the trial on a certain channel where they gave commentary, replayed bits etc in the courts breaks, is that where you got this from? Cos I don't recall them saying there is a 90 yr old, they regularly put a list up and I saw the oldest saying 80's

@@sherihartley794 i thought Peter said it in this video!

@emmy2417 he did sorry I typed that before he said it, then I couldn't find my comment again to delete or edit it sorry

I have just found out I was wrong, there is none in the 80's and one in the 90's

Most only remembered the things that made them look good.

That smirk is haunting & won’t go unnoticed by the jury. He’s a sicko. GUILTY

The drunk “children” were smiling and laughing when they attacked him

He looked uncomfortable. He was not smiling. That is your perspective, which is not a fact.

I also felt he was smiling, seemingly enjoyed the confrontation. The intoxicated teenagers were laughing but they didn’t have weapons. They weren’t exercising wisdom or good judgment, but the middle-aged sober man could have used MUCH better judgment in how he responded to the teenagers from the beginning. And he knew the whole time that he had a weapon, which they didn’t know, and he used it discreetly and did as much damage as possible to as many kids as possible.

Absolutely that guy was standing right there the whole time and why lie, he saw it he saw him stabbing those people

@michelemccowan5924 perfectly stated & also Jawahn keeps shouting “do it for the culture “ do it for the culture” in the video

@@stephaniesmart Jawahn was the instigator. He also lied under oathe.

Regardless, he attacked twice before others responded and he could have left countless times. Being jerks is no excuse to stab people. And to punch or slap a women?

@@sandisaad3562 go back and watch the actual video or try harder to spread misinformation.

@@michelemccowan5924 that’s the thing I don’t get, they can’t stop lying even after seeing the truth in “their” own video. I may understand if it was the defense video (then they could claim tampering or some AI editing) but it’s the prosecutions own video from the states witness !!!

Yeah, I hope so too.

Literally what this video covered! Lol

@@soleillebolduc2448 Yes, thank you. This comment was before the premiere started. 😊

I’m in my 50s and I disagree with your perception of this. They were all yelling and screaming and telling him to go the opposite way of where his people were. He tried to signal that his people were the other way, but the blonde escalated the situation to a point where it got violent and only individuals who put their hands on him were stabbed. I am sorry that that boy died, but that boy had his hands on the defendants throat. The video doesn’t lie.

100% right!

They were in between him and his group, regardless he is free to be wherever he wants on the river without being attacked

@@REPR100 I don't think people understand the difference between upstream and downstream and the depth of water further downstream. His group was upstream and they blocked him from getting help, which he tried.

Bingo. It amazes me on how many people have a problem grasping that. All I can guess is they were or are being picked on. He actually after stopping the boys walked away then went to the 2 girls/women. That dude is missing something. I get getting pissed off but you also cant claim the women were in his space when it was him that approached them. He even admitted pushing Madison(2nd initiation) but I really think he did punch her. Either or, that set off the events. Several people not even involved in the altercation also said they saw him punch her

And? Can you cite the statute or case law where that would deprive him of the right to self defense?

@@electricpaper269 you are joking, right.....he inturded on the teens, he was looking to start a fight, hitting a girl, are you serious?

Guy is free to go wherever he wants, the video shows him being attacked by multiple young strong men, he had a right to defend himself

He came back the second time cuz the young adults were taunting him when he was leaving. They could have just let him go on his way but getting his reaction on video was way too important. Those young adults F**k'd around and found out. 🤣🤣🤣

this for me as well.

You clearly didn't binge watch all night because the video is out and available to watch and you would completely change your tune. In the video he does not hit the woman - they repeatedly punched him, choked him, held him in a headlock, and pushed him underwater before he begins stabbing himself in self defense. This isn't even up for debate - it's all on video. Your timeline is completely wrong here and they did not just taunt him. You can watch the video for yourself, don't take my word for it.

You might need the change your prescription on your glasses sllyjac1787.

@@defaultname7685 The camera cuts away during the time he hit the girl and stabbed the other.

@@sllyjac1787 No, it doesn't cut away. It doesn't record it because it didn't happen and the only evidence is the testimony of the dumb black kid that literally got caught lying on the stand yesterday.

Innocent

You like to see old men beat up. You have no understanding of self defense laws.

Lesser charges

Self defense

he did walk away... and they surrounded him on all sides

@@darthelmo1 one of the assaulters even said they went to form a wall around him. Lots of evidence showing he was surrounded

@@darthelmo1 are you a bot?

@@darthelmo1 Have you ever been tubing on a river or rafting? His group was upstream. They formed a U shape mob around him upstream, where his group was. He could have gone back downstream away from them, but he was signaling for help from his group which was hundreds of feet upstream. They assumed he was alone, which he was not. A dozen highly intoxicated "young" people were harassing him and would not let him pass. FACTS.

He did walk away .. But he came backkkk and decided to be a crazy person . Its on video weirdos

She was a victim and was allowed to be present in the court room and watch the trial in person or online. The judge addressed that clearly on day one and has addressed it others times since then. The victims who are testifying and different than witnesses who are just witnesses and not victims as far as sequestration goes.

I thought he looked pretty professional at what he was doing and it makes me wonder if he's done it before

@@user-hv1yt9bc6b CLEARLY. Plus he jammed into that outfit going to slither off the scene no prob!!!!

Yes!

@Annie497 Everyone told him to go, leave, walk away. He is the one who didn't leave them alone.

Absolutely no doubt the man had military training in hand to hand… 5 done in less than 30 seconds. I am not comprehending the level of blame being put upon the victims. Prosecutions opening statement says there are two videos taken back to back by the kid… has the first one been shown yet? Even if they started it with verbal bs… he followed them. He was on his feet running after teenagers on their butts in tubes. He grabbed at their feet and their tubes… he was all up in their space causing them to start yelling for help… yell go away… leave us alone… what are you doing. Where do you ever see his hands up with fingers splayed completely out as Issac’s were? That is a clear universal unspoken sign to stop known by every human. The fact I am reading so many comments from people who think that kid deserved to die like that over names being called makes me sick. No one including those kids know what the hell that man said to them as they floated past him that day… everyone gives everyone a pass on not being able to hear but those kids. And they were kids… sick of that too… under 18 is a kid… regardless of height or weight. There is no evidence of a single one of them touching that man… Issac is the last stabbed and his hands are up trying to stop that from happening as it happens. Hes not here to testify that maybe he saw the knife now is he?Guess he had no right to self defense.

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The AJ guy whose bowel was cut through - that was more than a self-defense stab.

I agree. I’d find him guilty if I were a juror.

10 in a 10+ v 1, you expect the 10+ to have a good enough conscious to collectively come up with the right decision, and they didn't. you can’t rely on one person to make the right decision. He was ridiculed, harassed and assaulted beyond what most people can tolerate. He also had a heart attack with a triple bypass before this, so I don’t doubt he feared his life. They had no regard for his mental capacity, and that’s how it got to this level of extremity. The outcome is very unfortunate especially over something so irrelevant, but I guarantee you Miu would not have gone on a random stabbing spree had they not triggered him to do so. I wasn’t understanding of his side at first, but I simply cannot stand behind individuals who said while assaulting him that this was “for the culture,” which they claimed meant “greater good,” when the greatest good would’ve been to call the professionals trained to handle “rapers” if they had felt any sort of unsettling feeling of him “looking for little girls” (in which they also failed to mention what i assume would’ve been an important piece of context to police or in the report). One persons guilt doesn’t define the rest of their innocence. All, including Miu, should be charged.

I agree people were hurt so bad that intestines and bowel damage. Fatal wound to the heart there was not reason for such force just because he was called names. Miu held the knife so close to his side that no one saw it until it as too late. Then Miu went back to hisgroup and discarded the knife. Consuchnes of guilt.

Why??? Several items stand out as not self defense, esp 3. Self defense has to be that you fear for your life being in immediate danger, and have no choice left but to use deadly force. If he feared for his life, then why did HE refuse to leave when everyone else was asking him to leave, walk away, from the situation. That was his obvious and easy no violence choice, just walk away. 2nd, though using 2 inch knife, yet he gutted one kid with his intestines spilling out, the girl he plunged into her diaphragm, and killed last kid. That takes a lot of force, and deliberate upward motion to inflict as much damage as possible. He wasn't wildly swinging or slicing, he was plunging the knife deep and upward. That is intent to kill. Which makes it seem like rage, not fear. And no need since after initial reaction to his striking a female and coming to her defense they were already backing off and yet the guy that was telling them to stay back even got stabbed. 3rd, He lied to police and claimed the boys had assaulted him trying to pull down his pants, and they had knifes and we're threatening him; that he had no knife, and had no choice but take away a knife from one of them and defend himself. If not for the video, his story could have ended up being believed, him the sober adult vs drunk teenagers.

Me too!! Young people these days are bullying others like it is normal.

​@@AleVale007 senile old bit ch I'm sure your generation is perfect

I agree with you. They called him a child molester. They went towards him, they were making fun of him. He felt threatened. Lying is an acknowledgement of guilt, but it doesn’t mean he was guilty of first degree murder. They were kids in a gang, acting with a herd mentality. It is sad the kid that died was 17 yo, but it doesn’t mater to the case. Except that as an adolescent boy he was making poor decision. It is what happens.

@@sA-ny2jl It happened so fast that I'm sure he was using the knife in any possible way.

Each person stabbed was in his personal space- he only had the length of his arm to harm them- if they had backed up 12 inches they could not have been within strike range. ( iMO)

@Sam4got True, standing in someone's personal space is antisocial and plain rude. But is that enough to stab somebody?... Where is his responsibility in all of this? He was the adult. (I'm genuinely curious in how you see this....)

They were not just in his personal space they were advancing towards him yelling and pointing after he had been punched down backwards into the water 3 times and had somebody holding him down in the water from behind.

@mflannery4450 Okay, but by stab 2 mabye okay. But after he did standup again and everybody just screamed go.... That isn't self-defence anymore to me? 🤐

@@tanjameijer589 4/23 Boston group of teens nearly beat 27 year old for walking past. 10/23 Preston Lord unalived by 7+ teens 17-20 YRS OLD/ 11/23 Gilbert Goons arrested group of teens knocking over one boy every time he tried to get away/ 7/21 FDNY group of teens attack 2 firefighters on their day off -4/24 Thousand Oaks group of teens beating up individuals for no apparent reason -4/24 Ventura CTY 9 teens arrested -4/23 teen mob takeover Chicago beating up two young men - 10/22 Boise Teen mob 15 teenagers arrested after beating a long time resident of community -2/24 Times Square 18 teens beat up two NYPD - shall I go on? When does this madness stop? When will we start prosecuting ‘teens’ as adults ? Any bullying teen close to the apparently single quiet man who innocently just wanted to find a friends cell phone. If they were within reach which average human biological males reach is 25 inches so the perps refused to step back/ so whatever Mui needed to do to escape harm was warranted in my opinion. He didn’t get time to choose how many teens were going to keep coming after him- he did not choose to be attacked. As long as the young adults kept coming within striking range they were going to get hurt. This will become the new normal because elderly adults are tired of being terrified of loosing their lives over the rabid dog mentality of groups of teens. I barely scratched the surface for news for brutal slayings of teens acting like ANIMALS. They get in a group and there’s always one who incites the goon squad and in this case it was the person who hurled inaccurate slurs about Mui’s preferences for children. The young woman who was harmed came over and started pushing and yelling because she thought she was attacking a child mo. She almost revealed this on the stand - then couldn’t remember. What gives anyone the right to put their hands on anyone. The teens assumed Mui was alone and frankly Mui’s friends were too scared to come and help. The wife knew he needed help yet the 50 yr old men were too afraid to approach except for the ONE - the Cousin’s friend and even he didn’t hurry to intervient. When in a mob mentality with these teens death has certainly been the outcome for many adults. How many is too many? You say 2? One is too many to get hurt but as they kept coming to Mui they made that fateful choice. ( iMO) A young teen was mobbed at his school in Nevada and passed from a head injury. A mob of female teens brutal beating just made banana mash out of a young girl’s brains lately and she just got out of her coma. Spare me the liberal ‘ but they are just kids!’ They are mobs thrown act like rabid dogs when they are excited into violence. Mui just wanted to find a cell phone . Sure he didn’t talk - would they have listened? Does that make it right to swarm and disorient and beat down a quiet and peaceful man in his 50’s with recent heart failure? Nope and hell no. Again - the teens chose their fate by being too close to a man who was in fear of his life. Screaming GO? Seriously? The minute he would have turned his back- could he trust them? I would trust those animals about as much as a friendly alligator. A pack of dogs- are more easy to predict than a mob of drunken and High entitled teens- for Pete’s sake they couldn’t even ‘remember’ their movements on that day! Convenient or alcohol induced underaged a$$ holes.

We see and hear what we want …they said the blonde fell into the water after getting “punched” that was a lie, proven in court., she believed he was a peado because of the mob . He was stood down river so their raft obviously moved to him ( witness statement) He ran at them ? Try running in water .

100% agree

That is not how normal, civil teenagers should react, let alone men in their early twenties. Wannabe gangsters just f’ed around and found out they messed with the wrong person, nothing more nothing less.

@aznpersuazn how were they wannabe gangsters exactly. They weren't attacking him with knives, they had no weapons on them. He is the 1 who clearly lunges at them when they're on their tubes and physically attacks them, at no point in time before that do they even try to engage physically with him., only after he does that do they even stand up. You can clearly see the Asian boy jump up and run away. Hardly the actions of a wannabee ganster unlike that murderer who snuffed out the life of a young boy because kids were drunk and calling him names and he seriously wounded others. If it was your child you'd be demanding the death penalty. That guy is a special kind of evil.

EXCELLENT POINT!!!!

If you or anyone could shed some clarity for me? Why did he hit/slap/punch the one woman and stab that other girl in the first place? I keep seeing him not being pushed into the water until after those events, unless I'm missing something?

And he was not alone, if he was afraid he could have actually screamed for help to his group of friends. He never called out for help. He was never “alone”. He chose to be alone

@@sofiatzahariadis5754Why would he call out to his friends, knowing that they’re also no match for these young adults? Pretty selfless decision by Miu in my opinion, why involve your friends when they could be hurt as well?

This is a really interesting point. I keep trying to imagine what it would be like for me to be surrounded by 13 people less than half my age. In murky water up to my ankles/calves. If I’m in my 50s, not in superior shape and with a serious heart condition, I’m probably terrified beyond belief. Once I go down one time, then get put back down again, my fear is through the roof. I’m really disturbed that this happened but some people seem to be ignoring the reality that being surrounded by 13 people all ridiculing and taunting you would put anyone on the defensive. The defense has a really effective exhibit which provides a birds eye view of where everyone was standing at the height of the altercation. Once you see that exhibit it becomes hard to maintain that he could have just walked away. To the person asking about the girl he allegedly hit, I have not heard any clear evidence that she was ever hit. And unfortunately, the teens recollection of this is not consistent and is getting more and more confusing. The defense is doing a pretty good job of creating doubt that she was “punched” at all.

It’s none of anyone’s business what he is doing they should of never said a word to him and nothing would of happened period

@@user-ut3ft4qn5f seriously… if it’s getting as heated as this and you don’t say anything, leave or say something. Stabbing people, one to death is not a proper response to any name calling or pushing.

@@user-ut3ft4qn5fur an idiot he literally approached them

No one was listening to him, and who tf answers punks calling you a pedo/raper?!? Ffs people like Mr Miu have RIGHTS😢

​@@dawnhayes1231did you even watch the video?

That man is no invalid

My dad is 55 he is not the man he used to be he had two back injuries and I'f 3 or 4 of my buddies who are in our 20s where to push him around we could hurt them

he's not elderly, but he had a quadruple bypass 2 years ago.

He’s not elderly. He is a middle aged ex-Millitary tough guy. Did you see his social media? Telling.

@@CarrieV9 what's his FB name from the URL? I don't see it

Check sec 0.4-0.8 they are clearly taunting him with something, swishing water with their legs probably that’s the reason of him actually touching tubes/legs

Miu seems mentally ill. He did not behave like a normal, well-functioning adults. He is responsible for initiating everything and escalating

@@CarrieV9 he is not normal functioning he has quadruple bypass…I agree he looks weird and the end is tragic

You can't be the aggressor and then claim self defence. Don't poke a bear and then when it attacks you, claim self defence.

@@desirenicola6231I’ve had heart surgery, and haven’t stabbed and killed anyone.

Agree

Yes

Peter’s shirt blends well with the background lighting! 🥳

Either he has a right to defend himself or not, how he reacted to the tragedy or if his looks were creepy to people shouldn’t make a difference

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Great comment. Im so perplexed why they went with 1st degree

@@REPR100you have the right to defend yourself if you can’t get out of the situation…everyone was unarmed and he could retreat. Not defense but no 1st degree murder

@@REPR100 you cant approach a situation, start an altercation.. and then when you're losing .. pull a weapon. thats not self defense in the slightest. now if the kids approached him, wouldnt leave his area.. then started pushing him, sure. but thats not what happened.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

There were several times he could have retreated or walked away. He didn't - he was looking to win and knew he had a knife. I agree.

@@shellycarner992 he did try and retreat and they all swarmed around him!

They were calling him a p3do and recording him.

He did try and they followed and continued to taunt him! A boy should not of lost his life, however those kids were NOT innocent in all this!

I looked up self defense, came across good explanation. Four elements are required for self-defense: (1) an unprovoked attack (2) which threatens imminent, immediate injury or death (3) objectively reasonable degree of force, used in response (4) an objectively reasonable fear of injury or death. Using the above, He hit 1st, and those present reacted in defense of the female he hit. He provoked the actual physical reaction. And 3, they hit and slapped him, while he used deadly force and was the only one with a weapon. He went for vital organs (intestines, diaphragm, heart). With a 2 inch knife that took force to deliberately cause as much harm as possible (including upward thrust which causes maximum damage)

he did try and walk away and they all surrounded him on all sides preventing him from leaving. as soon as they started pushing him underwater, it became fair game for self defense. water is deadly.

Exactly 💯

Lesson learned. Do better.

Yeah world needs hall monitors as well. Glad you’re raising some

I agree. If they knew he was looking for a phone they could have helped and the whole incident avoided. He never said anything about a phone before running up to them or when he got up close. He also never told them about the phone when they repeatedly asked him what he was doing. Imagine how nice of a day everyone could have continued to have if Miu asked "hey have you guys seen a phone in the water" before running up them and reaching into their personal space.

The kids did not "mob" him as you describe. They were sitting in their tubes and the 1st physically aggressive act was by the defendent. He charged at them, they did not charge at him, they were mouthy hut not aggressive. He was absolutely in a position to turn around and walk away while they were in their tubes but he did not...instead he ran at them and assaulted them. It is only after that the kids actually get up onto their feet. You clearly see that the Asian kid runs off, he clearly was startled by the defendents actions. The defendent knew he had a knife and he had no issues with pulling it out, the kids were unarmed and at no point in time before he charges at them do they threaten him or engage with him physically. They may have been drunk but they were not violent until after he becomes violent. He knifed those people in cold blood and then casually walked away. The video that the woman in his party took after the stabbings shows him casually sitting in the tube calmly watching events unfold. He lied to his group by saying the kids attacked him and took his knife from him, which did not happen. Then, after his arrest, he acts like he doesn't even know what happened. His interrogation video shows him lying over and over as you will see if he testifies. That man is a cold blooded killer. His eyes and face were expressionless, he absolutely was not afraid. At any point he could have turned around and walked away, he chose not to. And on the stand his friends clearly lied about what they saw and heard and they absolutely had been watching the trial. That young boy did nothing to deserve him being butchered and if it was your child, im certain you would see in that video what the truth is. He was murdered by that man.

@@mirandaajames You are assuming he did not mention the lost phone because you did not hear it on the video. One of the witnesses testified that is what he was doing, but instead they said he was "looking for little girls". They taunted him about the phone and that's when he came back to the tubes because he thought they had the phone. That was obvious to me.

He took a few steps away and turned back towards them for whatever reason. 😕

you mean like the kid group all colluded to lie about mr miu punching that girl... which the video shows he didn't and nobody talks about it in the video

The drunks couldn’t remember any details and all lied about him hitting a woman

@@GorgieClarissa Go watch the opening statenment of the prosecutors and it shows him clearly hitting the female first.

Please use the correct term next time. It's LantiX not hispanic.

I agree

Same. I'm hoping we get to hear from a medical examiner, go over autopsy results and really get into the specifics of his interaction with Isaac.

@therealz360z7 in that case, striking the girl, the act that got this fatal encounter really in motion makes no sense at all

You do understand that most people who’ve testified did not see the knife, did not really even see the stabbing. The one girl thought she was punched. I didn’t see a strong impeachment. As for your other comments, you make it sound like he was doing swordplay or something. The man was knocked into the water, pushed back down, punched several times, pushed and shoved.

Self defence still requires proportionality

Who knows how it started?

@@Paullyb79 Does it, legally?

He could have said, I have a knife, let me leave. Or even held the knife up where everyone could see it. He kept it low and discreetly stabbed as many people as he could. Self-defense would have been just enough to be able to get away.

@dawnwhite68 great point but still, I would need more to find this man guilty. Not every one reacts the same when in fear. There’s a good chance this will be hung. However, if the jury is older, better chance it’s not guilty. Oh and a juror in their 90’s…..wow!

Observant? He was standing 10 feet away and he didn’t see Nic eviscerate AJ right in front of him? And he was asked that because as the prosecutor pointed out, he had never previously used the words “defend(ed) himself” in any previous interviews.

Ariel appeared motivated to lie.

I’m also almost 59. As an older person, I would go with guilty at this point in the trial. He put himself there. He doesn’t leave. He stands there staring. He hits the girl. Yeah… the kids are obnoxious and it’s chaos. Walk away. No emotions at all. No warning.

He said he was looking for a phone. They interpreted it as looking for girls. He punched NO ONE.

@@michelemccowan5924How do you come to that conclusion when in the video right before he’s struck by the first guy, they all start yelling ‘you don’t hit a girl’?

I’ve had my family watch the video because I am fascinated, truly, that we can all watch the same video and come to such polar opposite opinions. First, I thought it was age or something. But my family ranges in age, beliefs, political affiliation and from different parts of the country. They all saw it like I did. I didn’t tell them anything but to watch it slowly and that he was on trial for murder and his defense is self defense. That’s it. I was shocked. I would have sworn my youngest daughter and her husband would have said not guilty. Nobody believes the kids actions were ok, but that his slicing and dicing was over the top.

All were yelling go, leave, get the f out, let go of the raft. Why was he away from his group and downstream in theirs? Why did he not just go?

@darkwingduck3477 well today I probly would but 40 yrs ago I would have engaged for sure. Theres a unique thing with vik that doesn't add up. He's wa 58? I think, I think he made a joke about little.girls, maybe even inferring the boys were acting lame little girls. Something triggered the guy that set him into rage and he pursued the group and held their tube lines but he doesn't speak and he looks like he zoned out. The Karen treatment was all he could take it seems. Hey maybe he was having a heart attack. The whole thing is so sad. Folks out enjoying life. Man.

He did leave the first time. But apparently stroking their ego and getting his reaction on video was WAY more important. They f*ked around and found out.

They were calling him a p3do and recording him. You do know that can ruin someone's life.

You are dead wrong. Sorry to have to tell you.

You explain exacto !

The dude is insane 😳 no need to stab and murder

I understand and respect your interpretation of the evidence. However, taking all the witness accounts aside and purely view all the video, there is no evidence of the women getting hit or the defendant holding the young, mens tubes back or holding them to prevent forward movement. Even more so, the defendant did not entertain the young, mens insults, shouting or bullying towards the defendant. The defendant did not engage in the verbal hostility he was receiving. Which leads me to believe that he was in distress and had to defend himself. Just my opinion.

They beat tf out of him beforehand… also the first group, never left. Did the first group leave when he separated, did they leave? No, they continued to yell for help while hurling insults. It was clearly self defense. You don’t need to condone these children nor do you need to support bullying. It was 13 vs 1, he’s 54 and they hit him several times before he reacted. They should of left. They should of left him alone. Both groups.

​@@Daniel-fq5vq Didnt he have the knife out before anything got physical? He got pushed down after hitting the girl, but he already had the knife in his hand.