Thanks! I wish there were about 100 more of these comparisons out there. Also, I'd love to see the same type of comparison of different tunings for the resonant head (lower than batter, equal to batter, higher than batter).
They are comparable heads but why not compare these?? A G2 and Emperor Clear will sound identical since they Both 3m mylar film. Only difference is the hoops
I should have mentioned it but the goal was to get an idea of the sound difference in real life. If you mic a rock drum kit mounted with rock drum heads, you'll very probably use dampening.
I understand. I just wanted the pure sound of each. You're very right though. Once in awhile you get an uncooperative head that for some reason isn't really carrying the characteristic of how it should have performed. I actually had two pinstripe heads that were untunable and dead for some reason and unfortunately was the one that got them. I love them but turned to Evans in hope to never have the common problem Remo carried with their 2 ply heads that I have seen reported. I ended up with Black Chrome in the end by Evans which are nice and carry a little more sustain than the hydraulic versions.
I'll stick with coated Ambassadors myself. I like more warmth, but we all have our preferences & it's great they're are so many choices for different applications. Back in the 70's when I was touring I used Evans oil filled heads & all my toms & kick.. Loved 'em, but damn they weren't cheap!
I’ve used both. Remo Pinstripes sound warmer/deeper on my Sonor Maple Kit. They are also MUCH more durable. It’s not even close. G2’s are great, but they are not for heavy handed drummers.
Sorry but I don't see the point. In real life, rock heads mounted on rock drums won't be used without dampening. I dont' want to spend time recording things just for curiosity matters.
Just a heads up for those who want to use the pinstripe heads on a later model (after 2016) Yamaha Stage Custom kit.... These heads will not fit these Yamaha drums.... They will however fit the Yamaha Rydeen but just barely... They don't sit flat on the Stage Customs at all , and Yes I tried more than one as well as other manufacturers heads which all fit the Stage Customs just fine.
Good comparison, and the video is short. No effect ? With the moongel killing high frequencies, that's an odd thing to say, but I suppose you wanted it to be realistic. I use Fiberskyn heads without any dampening, and if a sound-engineer gets close with some moongel, I bite him.
Remo. I used to "hate" Remo, is what is available to me nearby, bought a Tama Starclassic Maple, thought sounded amazing, then after 2 weeks I said "these toms are supposed to sound amazing, and I feel they sound powerful but cardboardish" so the heads from my previous cheapo drum kit went to replace the Genera G2 Evans heads, BIG big difference, like night and day. Remo pinstripes (I thought Evans tuned lower) sound lower, defined, musical. In the video I don't know what headphones they are using, but notice when you hit very softly the Remo head, it sounds delicious whereas the Evans one sounds so meh and drained of life. On my floor tom I notice with the Remo a baseball effect, but that is because we need to damp a little bit the resonant head a la Benny Greb.
Because the drum, the heads and the mic are rock-oriented. With this setup, if you don't hate your sound engineer, you'll use moon gel (or any damper). The aim was to stick as close as possible to real life. Why comparing sounds produced by setups that you'll never use?
@@peteshifter why do drummers accept sound engineers to put tape and other crap on their instruments? A drum's purpose is to resonate. Do violinists or pianists put duck tape on their instruments?
@@MadWinter889 I'm not a violin specialist but I don't think this instrument resonates a lot (I recorded violins only twice but I was a live sound engineer for a band with a violin during 2 years). Concerning the piano, there's a pedal to stop the sustain... Maybe you play a style of music that fits long sustain drums. I think sustain must be controled in rock context. Mainly because rock drummers tend to play fast rolls.
@@malgdrummer In metal, sound engineers use noise gates and samples. They almost don't care about the live sound except for cymbals. Drummers don't even realize their shells were replaced during mixing...
It’s funny here’s proof they don’t sound much different but there’s something completely intangible in these decisions. Like for me I never liked the clear G2 - couldn’t explain it. Just felt all wrong. It was more than the sound.
These heads sound so loose that they sound flappy. No tone. Personally, I like a "taut" 2 ply head. I never play anything loose. I like the shell to be involved in coloring the sound.
I can understand that. But as you can see, the top head is tuned at 183 Hz, quite much tighter than Dennis Chambers' 154 Hz. Also Tony Smith (Lou Reed's drummer) tunes his 12" at 165 Hz. If my head sounds flappy, what about theirs ?
@@peteshifter - No idea. I'm just going by the sound that's being produced. It could be a seating issue. When the bearing edge is in true contact with the film, the drum should exhibit true tone - even at lower tunings. Curious if you are able to depress the film over any part of the bearing edge.
That's the point of the Tune-Bot: having a head tension that is consistent everywhere. You can hit the head anywhere near the bearing, the frequency is exactly 183 Hz.
@@peteshifter - The tune bot measures frequency, but not head tension, or film/edge connection Anything that makes noise produces a resonant frequency. Remove the heads and they should still register on the tune bot.
Ok, it seems you don't make the difference between a sound and a noise... And I'm pretty sure you've never used a Tune-Bot. Otherwise, you should know how difficult it is to get all the lugs to resonate at the same (pure) frequency. And that the head has to be positioned properly at the beginning and pressed in the center throughout the process. So it's just impossible for the head not to be in total contact with the shell. Please use your time to make you own perfect video and stop making me waste mine.
You never tune same same? Maybe. Since I found the tuning I want, with the Tune-Bot I always keep the same values. Anyway, imagine this video with different head tunings. How do you compare?
both sound horrible. people need to stop to rely on tunebots and moon gel and start to learn how to tune a drum. it takes literally like 3 minutes at most to make a drum sound good. if you would have tuned them to something that actually sounds good and not to a number a small device told you, it would send much better
This drumset lives in a studio. Many drummers used it and 100% complimented me on the sound. So I'm not going to change anything because a man with weird ears doesn't agree with my customers...
