LIVE after episode 4 of Survivor 33: Millennials vs Gen X , Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach recap the episode and answer your questions LIVE! RHAP rob has a podcast survivor 2016
Well keeping Jessica around keeps them at 4 (ken, David, CC, jess) so now they have the numbers against Sunday, Chris, and Brett. It's smart if there wasn't a tribe swap coming, but they can't predict that. Also, David gets some brownie points and may get that Legacy advantage unintentionally
I am usually on the same page with Rob and (especially) Stephen when it comes to evaluation of gameplay, but I had such a visceral reaction to this week's Know It Alls that I had to come leave a comment. Declaring moves as factually "wrong" before we know the outcome is weak analysis. The only one we know actually made a bad decision was Lucy, because her decisions got her kicked out of the game. Giving your idol away to protect another player is certainly *risky* gameplay, but it's not automatically a bad move. It's easy to say "keep it for yourself, silly!" but should Dave have just remained complacent and let Jessica go home, he would still be on the outs with his tribe and have very few options moving forward. Sure, a swap is imminent and who knows how the tribes will ultimately get shuffled up, but you can bet that Chris, Sunday, Bret, and Lucy would have remained lock tight come a merge while David and Ken would eventually get picked off. Instead, Jessica has had a revelation (look at her reaction after first being protected by Dave and then again after realizing her "alliance" had completely turned on her) and my guess is she will now give Dave the shirt off her back (or perhaps the Legacy advantage) when push comes to shove. Can you always rely on this? Obviously not; Boston Rob showed us that some people are happy to turn on their allies if they feel it will benefit themselves. But everyone's personality is different and correctly navigating different personalities is what Survivor is all about. To me, Jess doesn't read as a Boston Rob (this was also a hugely selfless move by Dave that completely changed Jess' future in the game - not on the same level as taking someone on a reward or gifting them a car, for example). We can also see by Ken's reaction that the idol play was a surprise to him as well, which is why he voted for Jessica. He doesn't dislike her - in fact, he trusted her so much that he told her about the majority's plan to oust her. He may have been disappointed by her actions this week, but I bet that (swap aside) he would still team up with Dave, CeCe, and Jessica moving forward - it's a much more appealing option (and also speaks to the things he values) than to try to make something new happen with Chris or Bret. Jessica voted for CeCe because that's what her "alliance" told her to do - I don't think she has any ill will toward CeCe either. She clearly didn't realize that she was about to be blindsided and I can't see how any trust remains between Jessica and any of the formerly majority alliance. For Stephen to say that the new alliance of Dave, Ken, CeCe, and Jess is "fractured" because they ended up voting for each other isn't considering the realistic alternative or the reality of the situation before the idol play. Long story short: Chris & Co. had life before the idol play, and now it's questionable. Dave had almost no chance before this idol play (he could have bought himself three days at some point down the line instead but would probably get voted off the next week) and now he's right back in the mix. Thank god for "big moves" and several people getting votes at tribal and gameplay being more than just one giant group of people voting against another. Do you really prefer it when one side has no chance at all because people are stubborn and content with being 5th? Finally, after years and years and years of listening to the Know It Alls talk about being on the "right side of the vote," it's nonsense to say that Chris was on the right side of the vote this week. Idol play is a strategic decision that effects who goes home, period. If you didn't vote for the person who went home then you weren't on the correct side of the vote, period. Being in the majority but then being duped still means you got duped. Dave altered the course of the game and only he and CeCe were on the correct side of the vote this week. Chris has muscles but he isn't making moves that show he has any command of the game at all.
Lucy blew it before she even spoke to Ken and David. She said she had them, and could direct their votes however she wanted. ...On the basis of what? That she and the other women from the Big 6 flipped the same way the Bottom 3 were already planning to vote last round? That's not what I'd call solid alliance building. Lucy's attitude toward Ken and David has no basis in reality (as far as what we've been shown). Her "these votes are already in my pocket" fantasy skewed her perspective going into that conversation, and things spiraled out of control from there.
You guys got near the point, but didn't touch on it: Jessica ousted Paul because he was disrespecting the girls in the alliance. Then at the next vote Jessica was voting out one of the girls which totally negates the reason she voted out Paul in the first place.
Am I the only one who thinks Dave made a good move if there wasn't a swap? I think Ken voted for Jessica just as a safe vote, not because he's a part of Chris's alliance now. So if this group of 7 were at tribal Ken Dave Jessica and Cece form a majority and can take out Sunday next.
I think the only thing better then having a idol in the game is to be in the majority and with people you can work with in the group. IMO I thought he made a great move with the idol he gained the numbers with the people he wants to work with and showed his loyalty with the people he wanted to work with even though Jessica didn't fully believe him. She has to now Jessica is now in Dave's pocket the rest of the game and if Dave gets to the merge no one is coming after him not gonna think of him as a physical threat in individual immunity but he could pull out a puzzel challenge. IMO Dave's in a great spot
Him and Jessica may not even be on the same tribe going into the swap. It's really a huge gamble but obviously he will make it far in the game based on his edit.
David and Jessica will be very sweet to others as they mix the groups again...after the explosion of Gen X and the ideals and plans totally shattered, there were plenty of " oh shit!" Moments to go around as they check to see if they are all there..
I just had a point when Stephan was confused about the grammar but if it's a puzzle I don't think it should be "his or her" I think their makes more sense in a puzzle
just thought of it right now. it seems to me that the episode just set up why david gets the advantage from jessica before she gets booted and maybe thats the reason he is in the FTC?? im really thinking he goes to the very end.
What I am thinking is ..big move is /used to be something what should help you in the end if you get to the finals,build you case.. show the jury that you deserve the win,,,,but the "big move " in the point and way ahead of merge...none of the Millennials even saw the move, so why bother, what is the point ? any idea ?
oh no. others have taken to previewing survivor(how typical) the only reliable source is RHAP. Actual players accessing and sharing thought is likely better than non players, is like non-addicts attempting to recover actual addicts - which is popularly thought to be less effective love the podcast, listen to it very often cheers =)
As a TV viewer so good to see another blindside esp for Lucy. Glad they voted her out even if it was C.C. and David. I loved it again. That Lucy if she stuck around looked like there was no stopping her being the miss Hitler of survivor. Haven't people learned not to be so controlling and throwing out the rules on others isn't a good thing. I'm really surprised in Jessica not being able to discern that Lucy and Sunday turned on her. She's a lawyer I believe. Now I understand why Ken voted for her bc what she did running and telling Lucy was a dingbat move. But then I can understand they are probably so paranoid. But my thing is; didn't she trust Ken at all? Isn't she aware/awake on what was going down? She probably left TC like wow, wow, wow...boy was I bluffed and a dingbat... I'm also really surprised David played his idol for her. After this episode; Jessica is proving to be more nervous and unstable player than David...and she's a freakin' lawyer? WTH? is she trying to be Tony Vlachos so early on in the game? One thing I hope happens next week is Taylor and Figgy get separated and hopefully voted off. What a risk to get in a showmance.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who thinks this was a good move for David. If there's no tribe swap and David is able to bring himself, Ken, Cici and Jessica together (despite the fact they voted against each other because of all the chaos) his alliance has a 4-3 numbers advantage against Brett, Chris and Sunday. If there is a tribe swap he has one extra person who's loyal to him getting thrown into the shuffle who would vote with him. I really do love your guys' reviews but I wish you wouldn't be so quick to call things like this a bad move just because "it's too early" or something. A lot of times we need to see a few more episodes to know the consequences of these moves in order to know if they're good or not (Natalie Anderson voting out Alec in San Juan Del Sur; Anything Tony did in Cagayan, etc.)
Rob, please do more Australian Survivor impressions when you recap the next episodes. They crack me up. Yours are good and Stephen's are so hilariously bad. Keep up the good work, guys.
Come on Stephen, do a better job, if Jessica would go home, Ken would be in minority, if Lucy went home, he is in majority. That's why he told that Jessica. It's about votes, not about feelings.
