Rob Parker - Chauncey Billups & Vince Carter Are Too Debatable to be Hall of Famers 

If penny & grant hill are in there is NO DOUBT, Vince is supposed to be in.

Vince has over 25,000 career points (21st all-time). Everyone who’s surpassed that threshold is in the HOF or on their way. He also was an 8x All-Star.

Chris been interrupting rob … and then says “let me finish “ lol

It's not the NBA HOF. It's the basketball HOF. You got coaches, women, etc. The NBA needs its own HOF.

They let anyone in. I like the idea of tightening up the qualifications to get into the HOF.

Chris defends the basketball Hall of Fame like he’s freaking married to it! 😂

What is Rob doing, sewing a quilt? He's ALWAYS distracted and doing other junk 🤣🤣

Chris letting someone finish a thought before he interrupts = impossible challenge. He loves to hear himself talk and is a professional at railroading and having control of the conversation. lol Constantly talking over and interrupting, while screaming “Let me finish!” when Rob tries to finish his statement. lol

Vince Carter made the NBA popular in an entire country - that should count for something.

Broussard always interrupting Rob, Nick, Wildes, or whoever but loves to say, let me finish 🤦🏽‍♂️

Chris absolutely refuses to let anyone else make a point uninterrupted.

T mac was a hall of fame talent but not a hall of famer

Chauncey and Tony Parker might be the two most underrated players from that 00s era

Chris Broussard with his daily 632 pieces of ice with a splash of ice tea

Chris doesn't realize Ben Wallace is 5x All NBA to add to his 4 DPOYS (back to back twice) & finished top 10 in MVP voting 3 times.

Rob can never finish his points without Chris interupting

I'm with Rob Parker in this one all of hall of fanees s watered down

Is Chris gonna shut up and let Rob talk or what. I know y'all talking basketball but damn. It was hard to listen too

It’s not like the Pistons won one ring out of nowhere and disappeared, they were a force to be reckoned with in the East for a serious stretch.

Right there is no criteria . The basketball hall of fame is weak

Vince Carter is a certified Hall of Famer!!! Are you kidding!!! He averaged over 20ppg for over 10 years!!! Is this a joke!? Vince was also a very good 3 pt shooter. If He didn't play so long, His averages would've been much higher.

They need to do a separate NBA hall of fame There is no criteria

Vince a HOF, 8 all star appearances, ROY, average 20+ ppg 10x over 20k points 6k rebounds 4k assists and a couple all nba teams Billups also a HOF, 5 all star appearance, couple all defensive teams and all nba teams, NBA champ and finals MVP. The basketball HOF does have some questionable guys in there but them 2 guys are HOFers

Tracy Mcgrady made the HOF and never even won a damn playoff series! He even had the tallest player in the league on his team! Who’s also in the HOF. The standard is so extremely low!

Vince isn't debatable at all lol. He's a HoF. Billups is very debatable

T Mac and Vince are hall of famers the eye test will tell you both of their skill talent is generational.

Draymond Green better not make it if Vince Carter is debatable

Muggsy Bogues and Spud Webb should be in the HOF because of his nickname LOL

I agree with Rob. My Hall of Fame standard is high. I would let Vince in before Chauncey. Vince was a cultural phenomenon in Canada and was just a special player.

VC should be in the HOF just off that 1 dunk contest.. u can’t tell the history of the game and leave that part out

I hate this new era of basketball. If you aren't a flashy player who averages 30 a game on 40 % shooting, then fans will say that you aren't special. Chauncey is the most winningest point guard of the 2000's and casuals say that doesn't mean anything. Crazy

Not many SGs/SFs were better at basketball than T-Mac.

Billups and Vince Carter both belong in the HOF. VC should be a top 50 player over Dame Lillard imo

Ben Wallace was the best player and the glue to those teams he and Rodman are on a short list of people who could guard a prime Shaq.

I agree with the caller who said athletes need to be “SPECIAL!” It isn’t enough to just be good or even great. HoF players need to be SPECIAL. How do we define “special?” Changing the structure of the game, e.g., Kareem. Transcending your sport on and off the court, e.g., MJ, Magic, Montana, Bird, Brady, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard Achieving things no one thought possible, e.g., Calvin Murphy, A.I., Roy Jones, Jr., Roberto Duran, Salvador Sanchez, O.J. Simpson, Barry Sanders, Bernard King I also think Mugsy Bogues is a HoFer given what he achieved. Exhibiting superhuman, iconic feats, e.g., Dominique, Rodman, Earl Campbell, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, Jr., Thomas Hearns, Bo Jackson, Ken Griffey, Jr., Ichiro, Shaq, Vince Carter Achieving ridiculously great stats. e.g., Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson (he will be a HoF QB), Michael Phelps Dominating your sport for an extended time, e.g., Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Brady, Roy Jones, Jr., Kareem, P. Manning, Jackie Joyner Kersee, Serena Williams, Edwin Moses, Wayne Gretzky, Martina Navratilova, Carl Lewis, Tim Duncan, Kobe, MJ, Pele Bringing a special trait or skill to a sport that cannot be duplicated or was irreplaceable, e.g., Rodman, Bernard King, MJ, Mahomes, Pele, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Steph Curry, Gary Payton, Charles Barkley, Mugsy Bogues (not in yet), George Foreman, Mike Tyson Winning an extraordinary number of championships, titles, or medals, e.g., Bill Russell, Roy Jones, Jr., Serena Williams, Roberto Duran, Brady, Kareem, Magic, Tim Duncan, Shaq, There are others… Alex English dominated the 1980s era in scoring in a decade with more pure scorers than any other in NBA history. So yes, he is special. He didn’t receive his due credit because of the era in which he played. Imagine Alex English, Adrian Dantley, Kelly Tripuka, Tom Chambers, Kiki Vandiweigh, Ricky Pierce, Dale Ellis, Andrew Toney, and Xavier McDaniel if they were playing today. They’d all be completely dominant.

Another justification for Chauncey: Larry Brown only has one ring. Who delivered? Not Iverson. Not Mutombo. Not Admiral. Not Reggie. Just Chauncey.

Rob trying to compare Blake to Vince Carter is nutz. 😂 are you serious or just crazy. Lol

Everyone and their grandmother is in the basketball Hall of Fame, might as well include them also.

If draymond green a hall of famer than Vince and billups are first ballot

I love the NBA but Chauncey Billups is not a HOF. He was a journeyman before he won A Championship in Detroit

Just because you’re talented doesn’t mean you show be in the HOF😂

Basketball Hall of Fame is like the Rock and Roll Hallof Fame. Ridiculous

If Vince & Billups are Hall of Famers now, how about Shawn Kemp & Kevin Johnson?

They’re both right. The standard is low, Billups wasn’t special….. but yeah the standard has been set… can’t start correcting now

Tom chambers should be in hof.

It’s basketball. The only thing that matters when getting into the hall is how popular the player is.

They let anybody in the basketball hall of fame

I agree with Rob on this one. Vince is debatable..Chauncy is a nice guy, but no chance he's a HOFer

Vince is first ballot hall of fame for sure

Stop it. Tmac played with one all star his entire career which also got injured. Give Tmac and Vince the same level of all stars that KD, Harden, CP3 etc played with and let's see how much team success they would get. Such a stupid take

Vince is a HOFamer. First thing, he scored over 25K points in his career. Most, if not all players that hit that mark get in. Second thing is what he has done for basketball in Canada. Same as Yao Ming. Honestly, they are putting Chauncey in solely from his 2004 run. He was the finals MVP and beat the Lakers as major underdogs. And honestly, Ben Wallace was the best player in that series for how he slowed Shaq down. He didn’t stop him but Shaq was frustrated and wasn’t as dominant. Chris is picking and choosing based off his preference. His reasoning for not putting Blake Griffin in did not make any sense. A lot of media and journalists have personal relationships with players. They don’t burn bridges so they don’t speak the truth.

I'm from Australia and our Rugby Hall of Fame literally has 13 guys in it. They only unlock it once every 10 years. So yeah, I think the US Halls are pretty weak. There's guys in there nobody has ever heard of and are pretty much irrelevant. But that's what you get when you make the Hall an annual TV product. It waters down the achievement and makes everything that happened in the last 5 minutes the greatest thing ever.

Vince Carter is a Hall-of-Famer ... no debate.

Simply put, you cannot tell the story of basketball without Vince Carter. He's very deserving of being in the Basketball HOF.

Rasheed was the most talented player on detriot. Billiups was just a leader on the team

Scott Rolen catching strays 😂😂😂 2:08

Vince definitely hof

"Vince averaged 25 a game for more than 10 years." Broussard just making up stuff. He averaged more than 25ppg four times. He averaged more than 24ppg seven times.

Billups might not be one, but Vince definitely is

Billups no, Carter yes because Carter’s showmanship alone(greatest in game dunker and heck maybe goat of dunkers) not to mention Carter was a top scorer in the league for years. Carters name still rings out. Even young ins know who he is, a 19 don’t know who Chauncey Billups is, just saying..

Rob and Chris must be bored because Vince Carter is making the 🏀 HOF

Welcome...our two new hall members.. good job 👍🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

I like when the calls are included in these clips keep like that. 👍

Vince Carter and Howard are the victims of being hanging in the league for too long.

3:35 VC is the best dunker ever

Absolutely Rob, speak on it. Agreed 💯

Vince is a Hall Of Famer

Rob is correct. Chauncey is not a HOF player. They should rename it The Hall of Greats.

Some points in Chauncey's favor that aren't spoken about a lot: 1. I went to the FIBA World Cup in Istanbul back in 2010 and saw Chauncey orchestrate the offense as the starting PG, leading Team USA to the gold medal. 🥇 2. He was part of Team USA that won the 2007 FIBA Americas Championship which set the stage for the Redeem Team to compete and win gold in the Beijing Olympics the following summer. 3. He led the Pistons to back to back NBA Finals appearances, only to lose in '05 to the Spurs because Larry Brown was too distracted during the series. (Brown was occupied with his move to the Knicks the following season). 4. When he arrived in Denver, he took them straight to the Western Conference Finals and gave the Lakers a run for their money with a tough 6 game series. For comparison, Iverson could only take them to two first round exits. During that 16-game postseason, Billups averaged 20.6 pts, 6,8 ass and 1,3 st. He shot 45,7% from the floor, 46,8% from 3 and 90,6% from the free throw line. 18:54 Why is it so unreasonable to use Chauncey's Finals MVP as an argument for his HOF-selection? The only Finals MVPs who aren't in the HOF are Maxwell and Iguodala (and the latter could still make it one day). ALL THE OTHERS ARE IN THE HOF❗So this plays in Chauncey's favor tremendously. CONCLUSION: Chauncey Billups is deserving to be in The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

great debate!!

Just like they would retire every nba player jersey😂

If grant hill can make the HoF anyone can

I hate that Billups name is next to Vince because Vince was an iconic player..Vince name was next to Kobe, Ai, Tmac as the most popular in that era

Chauncey No🤙🏿 Vince of course he was one of the best players in the league for almost a decade and plus dudes like Toni kukoc and vlade divac are in the hall🥴

Idc what anyone says if you can beat KOBE AND SHAQ in the finals you are worthy

Ben Wallace was the best player on that team he was the best defender on a team that won because of defense.....

As a Piston fan of 44 years (still) and someone who saw Chauncey hit near rock bottom when he came to Minnesota (prior to him joining the Pistons as a FA). I have no issues with him being in considering HE was the leader of that team that from 2002 -08 was always in the NBA conversation. Here's the thing. Bernard King is in the Hall of Fame and his window was short although he was a stud at his position. He's less accomplished than Chauncey. BTW, I've been to football (Canton), Basketball (Springfield MA), Boxing, Swimming and Bowling HOFs. The Basketball one is by far the WORSE exhibit wise and the criteria is all over the place. Just wanted to say that. I see it now as "how impactful were you in the era you played within". Thats pretty much all you can do now. Frankly I don't think it should be YEARLY in ANY sport. Thats where you'd limit all the "good to very good" entries within the various HOFs. It should be IMO strictly GREATS Is Chauncey a GREAT? No, but he was arguably one of the best, most effective,clutch PGs of his era. When you factor how he flamed out in Boston, Toronto and Denver (1st tenure) prior. IT's incredible the leap he made. Rob Parker for some reason has turned into a Detroit "hater" of sorts I don't know. California seems to turn people out but it's funny how Rob made his CAREER in Detroit and how he has these shots now that he's away. He of all people should understand the "Detroit vs Everybody" mentality but I get it. When Robert Horry is subject to come up I'd bet Rob would be all for it lol. (Joke). Congrats to MR BIG SHOT & Vinsanity

Kyle Lowry, Rondo, Blake Griffin, Horford, Aldridge, Igoudala now are all guaranteed HOFers

Downplaying Billups finals MVP is dumb. He was the leader of a back to back finals representative. Should’ve won in 2005 if Rasheed didn’t leave Robert Horry open.

Vince Carter, Eight-time NBA All-Star, over 25,000 points in his career. The greatest dunker the game has ever seen. These dudes are bugging. Just talking…

It is NOT the NBA Hall of Fame, its the Basketball Hall of Fame. Hearing people making the argument that they are only considering a players NBA resume to determine if a player is worthy of inclusion into the HOF is disqualifying from this topic. A players ENTIRE career is taken into account. That is why there a so many great international players, and women, and broadcasters in the Hall of fame. When will journalists stop embarrassing themselves by stating their opinion on this as fact?

I think thats where the distinction of first ballot comes into play

Yea I can't go for Chauncey

Basketball HOF is the lowest bar of any league… that said Billups is a 5x all star, 3x all nba, champion and finals MVP… Mcgrady, Tim Hardaway, Yao and Reggie Miller have less accomplishments…. And they’re in… The bar is low but we can’t all the sudden reset the standard…

Chauncey is an advanced metrics god. Once you recognize his actual impact on the court he's an easy in.

Vince yes… billups no

Agree with Rob

If you induct Chauncey, rondo and iggy are hall of famers too

Rasheed Wallace was BY FAR better than Chauncey Billups. Chris is wild for saying anybody else was.

Man when you are saying the names Wilt/Magic/Bird/Jordan/Kareem/ Vince/Chauncey!!! Ugh NO!!! COME ON GUYS THESE GUYS ARENT HOF

Got d@mn Chris,! let Rob get his stuff off/talk💯

*Vince Carter is definitely a Hall of Famer* (he captured the hearts, minds, and imaginations of fans - worldwide). Plus, he was *one of the best shooting guards of his era* . Also, *the NBA really needs to create its own HOF* . Vince would make it; a lot of these other guys, though - who are in the Basketball HOF - wouldn't.

Great point on both sides...best sports show out right now, seriously...

Basic standards for basketball HOf is pretty much : did you lead in a stat heavy pts/ast/ reb? were you a franchise guy/key player of a team or teams long term? / Anything past that is just bonus to get you in faster

Vince should be in on the strength he's the greatest dunker of all time. Hear me out - Vince Carters name will ring forever for what he did as a dunker. And I believe he's top 5 in 3 pointers Chris said the word Vince was iconic

The HOF is simply letting in too many "good" players. It should be for all time greats. And no Chancey and Vince aren't all time greats.

People only now calling it weak because Chauncey got in c'mon now why so much hate for Chauncey but none for Yao Ming, T Mac, C Webb, Christian Laetner etc...this is ridiculous Chauncey has a better resume that Reggie Miller who played way more years than Chauncey, and no one argues about Reggie making the hall of fame so why argue against Chauncey?

ROB IS RIGHT. Hall of fame means the story of the game/league can’t be told without you. Not debatable, he’s absolutely right and this is someone who constantly roasts him

Isaiah Thomas is the only pistons point guard that should be in the HOF.

It isn’t debatable, if t-Mac made it, Vince is a shoe in. Imo, the hall of fame should be 50 players max and to get in someone has to be taken out. Moved to a legacy position, not totally stripped