Roboute Guilliman - The Greatest Primarch 

Gullible Retard

hydrogen baby vs coughing bomb who wins

Ringledingy Goodoo (idk I just made it up, I'm high, sorry y'all)

Rogal Dorn. No wait.

Rowboat girlyman

Breathe.

@@ShortArmOfGod shut up guilliman you fucking nerd

if i ever had to meet guilliman on the strategic field the absolute prime directives would be continuous decapitation strikes and never lose the initiative

Not like Guilliman isnt a huge Primarch that can crush a Space Marine's head with his pinky

@@PeachDragon_You’d still be dead within an hour. It doesn’t matter how thorough you are when concocting your strategy; Guilliman is a primarch, and as such can adapt like no other. He’d probably see what you’re doing, pull back his forces and order a strategic bombardment on your position.

i like the people who are more than just fighters, thinkers are good in their own right

in modern 40k. a character who is a bit of a boyscout, who wants to do good and to make peace. is increadibly subversive and unique

What made him boring?

​@@WaallyOne im reading the HH books rn and with some exceptions (Battle of Calth and Brtrayer give us a more raging Guilliman. Still analytical but more focused on cracking skulls, even fighting Angron hand to hand and even stalling him) Guilliman is simple. Now, thats not bad, but he doesnt really stick out. He is a boy scout as someone said here. Now in 40K? Its tragic. He wants to do better, *to be better* but he cant or the Imperium will crumble. The 30K Imperium was still kind of a hellhole but at least it was a hellhole that wanted better. Fuck, they even tried to be allies witj some xeno species (funny enough one of those species was the Laer, Fulgrim decided to kill them but those werent his original orders) but 40K Imperium? They will gladly tear each others' throats because of suspected heresy. And Guilliman hates it. He hates it all, he simply wants to be a farmer yet he is forced to keep fighting even when he literally died and was brought back

yeah... not that the emperor would have been great but... thanks mom

Also applies to normal humans for the most part

"HE DID *WHAT* WITH A *WHAT* ?!?"

Oh..... I see what you did there. Good stuff 👏.

"KNIFE EARED HARLOT" The Lion said calmly.

@@redman7775 "GUILIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"

Sanguinius and Vulkan are also proof of that.

Or just be a decent dad to your kids

Lol.

Or even just one parent. Big E never really was one.

Yes. It really goes to show that having 2 parents is really the best plan overall. Having a decent dad is important too

That's DORN who does that.

@@discountplaguedoctor88to be fair, girly man also has a pretty big stick up his own ass. Nothing compared to the mighty oak of Rogal Dorn, but quite the log.

@@discountplaguedoctor88 hear hear

Bob would be that kid who even after growing up still lets his mum treat him like a kid because it makes her happy

That's Rogal Dorn you heretic!

Awesome.

What aspect would Lorgar be?

@@cal593 The child-touching aspect.

@@josephthio3513 what, just because he's like a priest? That's offensive! It does make a lot of sense, though...

​@@cal593it's right there in the quote. Lorgar is the Emperor's face. His passion. His oratory skill and ability to BELIEVE. Lorgar is the Emperor's Faith.

And at learning.

The Alpha legionaire who was hiding behind the wall for a surprise attack decided to abort the mission and returned to give his report: "I saw him kill three Astartes with a pencil. A fecking pencil!" Truly a tale of two enemies coming together to face a common threat...

@@ProcyonDei a foqin quill! :P

Everyone loves Sanguinius, it's just that Gman is more devastated than ever because Dante is a reminder of Golden Good Angel Boy is the better primach love by all who sacrifice his life so that even in the bleak future at the least sangy made the best effort to deviate the coming dark future. Sangy is a very tragic character

Probably felt a bit ashamed as well seeing how Dante was forced into running the Blood Angels before and after Reebot got boozled poor lad never had a weekend

He failed to help Sanguinus and almost failed to save his sons. if only he could reach Terra sooner, if only.

AS. HE. SHOULD.

@@stalinsoulz7872 😂 don’t call him sangy that’s the screen name of a zoosadist and chomo

If I remember right Kor Phaeron wasn’t even a proper space marines

Life alert is going strong in 30k

@@TheXenomorphwarrior I can almost hear it now. "Hello, Life Alert? Yeah, it's Kor Phaeron again. What? No, it was Guilliman this time. Learn my lesson?!? Listen here son, back in my day . . ."

I'm looking forward to GW releasing and reviving Lion El'Johnson and how he will compare to big daddy G on the tabletop and how they will advance his story in the 41st Millenium.

I'm reading the second book in the Dawn of Fire series and Kor Phaeron legit told Kar-Gatharr "I fought him, he ain't shit" with a straight face.

That number 2 is something. This dude has his priorities right.

@@yawarapuyurak3271 yeah, I can't remember what happened exactly. But it had something to do with I think some ancient teleporter or something

@@iang257 In 'Unremembered Empire', where the Pharos beacon was first activated: Guilliman, The Lion, and Barbarus Dantioch (Iron Warriors Loyalist) found out you can use the beacon through intent. Dantioch saved Guilliman, The Lion pulled Guilliman back to Maccrage, and Guilliman pulled his mom from harms way.

Honestly shout out to that khorne Berserker, wish I had half of his level of self confidence

@@xemnufromthemagicplanet1678 I think he figured, either I get a Primarch kill if I win (instant demonprince status) or I get taken out by goddamn Guilliman in personal combat. (Instant bragging rights.) Win/Win. Plus, if your a Khornate, can you really say no to a chance at fighting that man?

Well said 👏🧐

As fan of Guilliman I need to say no. The most tragic is without doubt Angron. He was supposed to be second Vulkan, instead he was enslaved, debrained(half of his brain was replaced by Butcher's Nails) forced to kill a men he saw as father, denied his final stand with people he cared, slowly dying and going more and more mad with time, and when he was about to die and find peace, Lorgar betrayed him and turned into demon

@@macshadow1150 53 likest atm, so 53 people that missed the point completely. It's not that Guilliman's backstory is tragic in any way - and certainly not compared to Angron. It's that he is the competend good guy in power, so you almost think or hope that he will win and save the empireum and everything will be nice. Until you remember it is 40k and, just like the fantasy settings, chances are chaos will win in the end. Which makes all the tragedies suffered in the mean time looks even worse, including Angron.

@@Origami84 A bit offtopic, many people dont understand that if Angron did not had the nails, he would have died the day the Emperor found him, he would have died trying to kill the Emperor as he saw him as another slaver, without being broken by the Nails, his noble side would have lived on. For context this is described in "Betrayer" by ADB, while there is a flash back to the Night of the Wolf.

In the myth of Pandora's Box, the vessel contained all the sorrows and calamities that the gods would inflict upon humanity, but it also contained Hope. It is unclear if this was meant as a salve to soothe humanity's suffering or a final twist of the knife to heighten it.

Guilliman is a professional, to put it simply, and professionals are predictable.

The value of a loyal client state can not be fully stated.

Typically the middle child is the ignored,bland and uncharacteristic child. They're usually the ones doing anything they can to get attention and love from the eldest or youngest child.

@@justing.3541Its more like the middle child gets used to not getting the babying or privileges so they just grow up rational and eager to show their worth

@@Zarzar22 Fair enough. If you need to view it that way more power to ya lol

No I think he's just the only grown up.

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​@@ladywaffle2210Pretty much what he said to Dante after devastation of Baal.

He wasn't stronger than Sanggy, The Golden boi fought for how long straight while Horus was chilling his male pattern baldness up in his ship. If Sanggys fresh than he's thrashing Horus.

@@higharchbishopofteatasting6217 normal Horus yes, Warp Juice Horus was beating the fucking emperor.

Of course then he just fucked off into the webway for thousands of years for no good reason while humanity went to shit. At least Rowboat Boogerman was and is still doing what he can to improve humanity's lot.

I would argue there *are* no greatest loyalists as they all have alot of issues, just like the traitors but instead of acknowledging them they just take the "moral high ground" However, Jaghatai is as close as we could probably get. He is pretty selfless, doesn't give into the haughty nature of his brothers and is self aware enough to know he *might* have joined Horus. He knows he isn't a great person, he knows people don't necessarily care for his personality and he was onto Emps from the moment he got to Terra. Jaghatai is the best Loyalist we got, too bad he is in the Webway

I like to think the Khan has the potential to understand all the other primarchs almost perfectly, his nature is like a strong gale force wind or a lighting bolt, he will suddenly strike and reveal all your weaknesses while you have no real way of being prepared for him. Hes more of a force of nature given the form of a man which is why he is so mercurial and reserved. I feel like the Khan could have been a primarch like Guilliman or like Magnus if he gave a shit about the things they cared about

@@Scottoest ya but that seems more on the writing department for loyalist marines than anything. It was more outta character.

@@Scottoest He also didn't waste time trying to start a Second Imperium and may have inadvertently given time to Chaos to wound the Emperor and kill Sanguinius.

Blueberries are tasty. They make great ice cream.

@@jonathanathor117 quote from yvraine

Blue coom

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Renegade? Alpha Legionnaire?

I like it. Humanity doesn’t need an inhuman demigod right now, it needs a _flawed_ one. Someone who isn’t above going down to one knee to speak with someone eye to eye. Someone who can collate and then make the big decisions, then move on. Someone _like_ the Emperor. _Like_ him. His humanity, ironically, makes him far better suited to rulership than the actual ruler of the Imperium. He doesn’t give a shit about the long view when it comes to the Imperium, in the “is it on fire? WELL PUT IT OUT!” Sense. Now to avoid heresy, I will clarify that without the Emperor, humanity would die off in weeks, so He’s still _very_ important. He’s just…not human enough. Sounds contradictory I know, but we’ve seen how “active” gods can run their empires into the ground.

I honestly think some kind of Ultramarine / Tau / Eldar alliance novel would slap hard if written correctly. I might try my hand at that.

@@Kirisame312 most likely just a couple of craftworlds would be genuinely open to that sort of alliance without major ulterior and undermining motives *cough cough* Ulthwe...

Like the man said in the vid, you need someone to be normal, to be the standard. For better or worse, the Ultramarines are essentially the only thing that kept the loyalist Imperium together.

“Imperials are so ducking nasty. I swear to the Gods.” -Magnus the Red on Cherubs.

Hi dad

As someone with an ultramarine army there really fun to paint mostly because blu is my favorite color

Me, doing my best Palpatine impression: Do it!

Same here My brother just buried his Space Marine army, and he's lived through the Matt Ward era Cue me, who's coming to the hobby late, after Indomitus, and both because I like Bobby G and I want to see the cringe on his face, I'm painting Ultramarines together with Necrons.

I don't think he overestimates his fighting prowess necessarily.. I think it's coz he thinks "fuck it, no one else can do it so I might as well try" out of guilt for having failed the imperium..

Fighting for a future for humanity AFTER war proves he's the Emperor's son. It was never about the conquest. It was about what came next.

Who would've guessed that the best superpower was Excel Premium.

@@yawarapuyurak3271 in the Grimdarkness of the 41th millennium, one man is about to unleash mankind's most power weapon.... *G-man sits at his desk and loads up MS Office*

@@lavatun I think that’s definitely part of it but there have been some glaring moments where he tried to clutch a 1v1 he had no business being in. Case in point, the time Fulgrim damn near put him in a backwood because Rowboat lowkey tried to hinge an engagement on his ability to hold off Fulgrim for long enough that his forces could win. We know how that ended. Then there was the more recent times rowboat tried to fight Mortarion and got dunked on so hard the emperor himself had to hit an uno reverse to clutch up the fight. Guilleman doesn’t do it incredibly often, but he’s definitely made some tactical mistakes and tried to box mfs he should have just bombed instead

Guilliman and Dante: MOOD KINDRED!

I want the Word Bearers to return to the setting.

Just wanted to mention he never thought about bailing after reviving he knew shit was too bad for him to leave. He daydreamed of becoming an agri farmer back during the heresy.

@@mcnuggets2825 Oh right! Thanks for clearing that up

I’m not sure if you’re arguing against Guilliman being awesome here. But the fact that he recognizes his mistakes and doesn’t give up in light of everything you just mentioned is exactly what makes the modern depictions of Guilliman so awesome.

That and bureaucracy and government overview

Personal hope: Imperium fractures, with a stronger part under Roboute reconsolidating as a new Imperium, and a section becoming a massive space for Tau expansion.

Girlyman and his daughters

@@clickpause8732 heresy *BLAM*

Now if only he didn't have plot armor 110% of the time he might be liked more by the community

Honestly, I think it'd be interesting if Guilliman just declared the modern Imperium's bureaucracy beyond saving and founded another Imperium Secundus or something centered on Ultramar. You can keep my dad's bones - I'll keep his actual vision for humanity alive.

@@Scottoest Sounds great, I can imagine an event where Terra either falls or is destroyed, causing Gulliman to evacuate with the important people and the artifacts, and begins creating a mini empire in Ultramar which is more efficient and powerful. Meanwhile the other Primarchs just start coming back and set up their own space empire too 3

@@Scottoest The best option he could do while lessening the amount of frictions that Imperium's infrastructures and networks haven't got already, is to simply granting more autonomy, treaties and pacts between systems under Realm of Ultramar to other Imperium's worlds, streamlining world systems to be more efficient yet humane than to build dysfunctional manufactorum and hive cities, all while giving more leniency to the bureaucracy of Ultramar's political and financial systems to the nearest sectors, even at building more relations with factions that causes more benefits and lessening damages to Imperium, hence pacts and treaties are important to the inefficiency of Administrations of Imperial planets, like what's the point of pumping reliance to old tithe systems if self-sufficiency of a planet to an interstellar system can makes Imperium more habitable, amazes rivalling factions all while alluring more competing planets and systems to imitate the more positive aspects of Imperium Take it, these kind of constructive planning or even just advices will goes against the grimdarkness of the Settings, yet said settings have been going for 30 years and everytime it tries to rejuvenate itself, it's ended up falling short for worse, whether from left to right (pun intended) or even to simply Corporate structuring, policies and other real life stuffs beyond the lores of Warhammer franchises

Imagine being Guilliman, and meeting Konrad or Angron for the first time LOL. "So we're gonna build a galactic empire with this team of red flags, eh dad?"

@@Scottoest Guilliman: "Can we at least get, I don't know, a therapist for some of them?" Emperor: "No." Guilliman: *defeated sigh* "Of course that's the answer."

He sees lorgar and just screams internally

@@theoleadfoot2864 Isn't that the reaction of everyone who sees Lorgar and who doesn't scream externally?

I wonder how Guilliman and Jagatai went along. While borderline opposite in lifestyle, their personalities are similar enough.

I could honestly buy into that.

My issue with this handcanon is that we know that "Space Marine" comes from the Emperor. Otherwise, this is a very good head canon and I'll be stealing it

@@Helis431 To be fair, naming was never the strong point of the Emperor, the imperium or most of 40k factions to begin with. They named their genetically engineered supersoldiers which are exclusively men after the name of the Semitic goddess of love, sex and war. Like the name only 25% correctly described them.

Interesting

@@minhducnguyen9276 I hate to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy, the Astartes are named after Amar Astarte, a geneticist who worked for the Emperor during the unification wars and was instrumental in creating the Space Marines.

Seconded.

my dream is to have Khan, Gorillaman, and Vulkan (and maybe by some miracle pre heresy horus) People usually forget how human those guys are (or where in case of horus) to the point where in a book horus rushed an entire battlefield to save a couple of civilians from a Ork assault. Or that time Khan made sure that a kid that was saved after some alien incursion got trained by his right hand and regurarly checked on him or anything (Besides that ONE AND ONLY time) that vulkan does or Gurlli man in general, hes a cool guy

​​@@toobig7150 well, if Lion manages to come back and harbor at Mac... whatever Guilliman's main domain is, Top G would hand his own military to Lion while he will deal with other businesses

@@sunder739 Methinks that's the plan. Hand control of military affairs over to El'Jonson, freeing Guilliman to focus on internal affairs, and the Imperium at large.

​@@toobig7150vulkan is definitely the most likely primarch to come back now that the lion is back. I mean the dude is functionally invincible and can probably just be brought back under the excuse that he's just Vulkan.

To be honest Vulcan is probably waiting out his respawn timer

Before their corruption Magnus and Fulgrim were among these. Ahhh if only Magnus had put some points in his wisdom skill as well 😢

@@berilsevvalbekret772 that and some humble points. What the Horus Heresy be without Magnus's betrayal.

in fairness isn't vulkan floating around in space somewhere?

@@thejuiceking2219 yup, no idea where he is or what he is doing but he is just hanging around

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This is why Erda is a bitch

I mean that's not anyone's fault really, the were scattered because of the chaos gods dicking around

There's for sure upsides and downsides to splitting up the legions, definitely a coin toss

Plus they’re able to more effectively fight on several fronts all at once instead of everyone going at one direction.

It also accomplished exactly what it was meant to: ensure no one commander could ever turn traitor and threaten the Imperium at large. At worst, a Chapter Master leading those under him into treason could only muster so much force. The Badab War demonstrated this perfectly: even with a few chapters in his alliance, Huron could only do so much against the might of the Imperium.

I feel like he should have left a contingency in place similar to Dorn's Last Wall Protocol though. While breaking up the legions was certainly a good idea at the time and probably a good idea for the long run, there are massive threats like Black Crusades where a legion would be far superior in dealing with.

@@Rawnblade13 he definitely thought about it I imagine he figured the emergency could be potentially manipulated for false causes.

Lorgar was far away, Emperor was close and Primarchs were engineered to followe Emperor to some extent.

@@piotrd.4850 What?

"Example, during the plague wars he was constantly wanting to find his nurgly brother and fight him, convinced that he would be able to defeat him. " - Guilliman in fact, was keenly aware how pitifully outmatched he was. But he had to confront Morty because there was literally no one else in the imperium who could go up against the demon prince and hope to survive more than a second!! The only mistake he made was to not ask for a squad of SoS to be made available to accompany him. "He conveniently forgot that he lost almost all fights with his brothers before they turned into demon princes" - Let's see. 1. Guilliman nearly beat Lorgar to death with nothing but his fists and fought Angron to a standstill despite having virtually nothing in the way of a weapon (powerfists against chain axes and power mauls do not count for much). 2. Cut Konrad open like a bag of doritos while simultaneously covering the Lion who nearly had his jugular ripped out. And these were the fights Guilliman had before his brothers turned to chaos. "Magnus was handing him his arse before the no fun police showed up" - First of all, both Fulgrim and Magnus fights were AFTER they had been turned in demon princes, so your examples are all wrong. Secondly, SAY WHAT??!! Magnus couldn't land a single blow on Guilliman while Guilliman had literally punched him so hard that his body went flying into the space and shattered his jaw!! The only reason Guilliman was thrown on the backfoot was Magnus psychic fuckery!! The SoS just cancelled out Magnus's warp shenigans and that's all the role they played on the actual battle!! But so what??!! Even Russ had to bring his rune prists and a squad of SoS in order to beat a prefall Magnus who in fact, wanted to die!! Yet no one even cares to mention it but when Guilliman receives some outside help, then it becomes a big deal all of a sudden. "The fact that he hasn't realized that being a great all round hero means that he has some serious flaws in his swordplay makes me giggle." - You do realize that sans the Fulgrim fight, the respective warrior's blade weidlig skills or physical might had no role to play on the outcome whatsoever?? I mean what the hell are you supposed to do with a sword when your opponent can literally drop a spaceship on your head or boil you inside your suit of armor??

You seem to have it backwards lmao.

he also knew he could not hold off against angron and magnus but he still didd it anyway

@@anirudhashok3332 He could have easily dispatched Angron if had his Storm Shield and Gladius Incandor equipped.

Nah the weapons were inferior to his fists.

Well the weapons would be kind of useless to him. I mean his hand is likely bigger than the head of a regular space marine, so his grip would be clumsy making his blows weak and slow. He is way better off going Mike Tyson on them.

When “I am the manager” becomes lethal.

@@bloodangel19 chaos forces mostly seem to use the chain axe, which has a really long, thick handle which would totally fit in his hand

@@crazyscotsman9327 now hold on a second there is ONE effective weapon you can pull from a chaos marine, his own whole ass body makes a PERFECT projectile.

We know that Malcador himself literally said that he and Emperor knew that all those Astartes were too valuable of a resource to waste. Personally I doubt Roboute had anything to do with it but I would agree that he would have made that argument, and successfully, if it came to it.

@@nurglerider781I thought there was a short story where Malcador specifically says Dorn and Guilliman argued for the legions of the 2nd and 11th to be spared.

@@mcnuggets2825 Hmm, that could be. I obviously haven't read everything. I was making my assumption based off the statements Malcador said to someone but it's been long enough it could have been that very conversation and I just don't remember that part.

@@nurglerider781 Definitely wouldn't disagree with Malcador probably being involved, almost put in that comment that it was out of character for everyone else in power besides Malcador, The Chamber at the End of Memory is the short story with Dorn and Malcador talking about it. Honestly always kind of felt like Malcador and Guilliman had basically the same character/ideals beyond Malcador being a lot more cynical, they are a lot more similar than any of the other brothers with each other or Big E imo. Which makes the fact Malcador doesn't seem to really like/trust him even funnier.

It's from the animated series and it's noncanon.

No, he’s one of the few good guys with institutional power, the guard and even most space marine chapters are full of good guys who are disallowed from being good by iron handed bureaucrats and malicious inquisitors

When Guilliman first awoke he did not have the Emperor's sword. All he had was the Hand of Dominion which he had when he went into stasis. He got the Emperor's sword from the Emperor after he fought Magnus on Luna during the Battle of the Lions gate.

Gman The Khan Sanguinius and Vulcan are my favorites

my favourite is Perturabo because i think he's the ideal blend of sympathetic and unsympathetic, on the one hand it is sad what happened to him, but on the other hand he really does bring most of it on himself, he's like the Arnold Rimmer of the 40k universe

The banshees be kinda bad tho

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​@@ianbyrne465 This is a lie .

@@piotrmiler234 or is it?

Dude is an Eldar player

I'd argue common sense is a trait they both share. Still the rarest thing in 40k

You know I haven't read much about the Khan But damn he sounds like a swell guy

Another endearing point about Jaghatai is that he would be fine with living a simple life. He doesn't really have ambitions of empire building like Guilliman or obsessive warrior spirit like Dorn, Russ, or the Lion. After he conquered the dominant culture on Chogoris and freed his tribe(s) from their cruelty and oppression, he simply dismantled his newfound empire and lived a basic nomadic existence until the coming of the Emperor called him to action. Very chill dude. Plays Go well. First Captain Qin Xa never beat him at it (or anyone else for that matter).

And every interaction of him and Magnus his fave bro. Him asking how to restore him with such sincerety touched that shard of Magnus. If there is a chance of redemption for daemon primarchs that redemption will come in the form of guilliman , jaghatai and russ for Magnus I believe. I hope at least.

@@TheSonOfDumb Dude, Guilliman literally daydreamed about fuckking off to an agri-world and spend the rest of the eternity farming!!

Yes, that's true. People forget that getting something done is not a big moment. Rather, it's small, boring tasks that change something slightly. Guilliman is the one that puts on the pants and gets to work on things that actually help but are boring.

Dude sounds rad

it do be like that some times

Especially when they lean into the more ornate roman motifs, like the Victrix Guard

They should, but GW makes them so plain. I want a stronger Roman aesthetic for more than just the occasional HQ model.

I prefer my Salamanders’ aesthetics (HH Pyroclasts are just baller) but man I really do like ultramarines accessories like the wingface masks and the laurels. It’s all just neat

they used to look cool, but then being the poster boys really fucked them over. They don’t even have a unique aesthetic any more.

I prefer Dark Angels but the Victrix Guard are one of the best marine designs

That was Sanguinius but he’s dead

@@SirEggo2412 Honestly I forgot eho that is

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