Who the fuck thought it was a brilliant idea to just hand her the phonetics without their actual name? I feel so bad for her, and it's honestly not her fault.
Don’t know about u but if I was her and saw those bullshit cards, I’d immediately leave. I’m not going to ruin the ceremony and embarrass myself. She objectively has some blame
The plan was probably for it to be a list of the names spelled normally + the phonetics, but whoever was in charge of preparing the document SOMEHOW managed to produce a list that contained only the phonetics, which means that they took it all the way from whatever office it was printed from to the stage without a single person taking one moment to glance at it and make sure everything was in order. Truly incredible.
My college had a great system. Right before walking the stage, you would say your name into a closed loop mic that only the presenter could hear. He would then immediately repeat what you said into the mic for the auditorium to hear as you walked onto the stage. This eliminated issues with reading the names or memorizing anything. You could also give him preferred names and middle names if you wanted.
Wow. Makes me appreciate the system my college used. This isn’t even the best practice. Best practice as my uni did is to have all students record their name pronunciation weeks beforehand and the announcer prerecords the names. It’s phonetic but you are literally giving them the pronunciation of your name and spelling online while also saying a voice clip of it yourself. Then as you go up you just scan a barcode and the recording plays as you walk across. All automatic, no live announced needed necessarily. Though I recall there being one I imagine as a backup and for the few people who didn’t do this process. But it really should’ve been prerecorded even if it’s a small college. I’m 90% sure we could check how their recording sounded too online, so if it don’t sound right you can tell them. 😂
@@Stinger913 I actually prefer the way my school did it. I didnt have to go through the trouble of getting my name recorded correctly during finals. Plus, the commencement gowns had nowhere to hold anything, including a phone or printed barcode. Putting something into my pockets underneath wasnt a quick or graceful process, and many female classmates didnt have any pockets at all. During the stage walk, you used both hands to hold the diploma and shake hands with the dean. It is also simpler technologically, which can be less confusing overall
@@RealCoolstriker64sometimes autocorrect changes words when you don’t want it to and sometimes it just says “fuck it, idk wtf you are trying to spell” even though I think it should be obvious 😂
This seems like such a bad way to handle things. My school had the Chair of the Department of Foreign Languages read out the names to minimize the chances of butchering them.
This has to have felt like some kind of nightmare for this woman. I can't imagine being given a card with phonetic spelling without foreknowledge. What a blunder, man.
I graduated last year and they forgot my diploma. Literally. They were calling up each graduate for English philology (my major) and i was waiting for my name and suddenly they were like "and now Spanish philology ". Luckily our professor was handing them out and she saw how confused I was and came to me. She got pissed, went downstairs for a bit and came back with my diploma. I tend to say that they left the best for last. ✨️✨️
I've got a crazier story from when I graduated community college last year: We had a disabled guy on a wheelchair who was told during the practice ceremony that he would have a certified helper escort him up to the podium on graduation day. Well, on graduation day, that guy is nowhere to be found, so when they call up his name, there is an awkward silence until someone finally escorts the poor man himself, and the crowd solemnly claps.
I tried the opposite. i dont remember why, but i thought i wouldnt get a diploma thing cause of some choice i made, so iwas just watching the rest of it, and suddenly my name got called really fucking strange times.
For those that don’t know. The IPA transcription of Thomas looks like /tɔməs/ Edit: I didn’t realize they meant they broke it down by syllable pronunciation not phonetic transcriptions, welcome to IPA tho
While confusing for people who've never seen all of the IPA characters, I'm dumbfounded how she got some of these pronounciations. Tomamay? How does tɔməs become tomamay?
@@coleeckert6182try reading that live in front of a tonne of people having never seen half those characters before, you’d probably stutter a bunch too. She didn’t say Tomamay, she said Tom-mu-mes, because when she got to the latter half and was uncertain, so she tried again. The mu bit is her first attempt, mes is her second. Alternatively, based off how she was pronouncing the other names, it sounds like they weren’t spaced properly. Thomas Micheal would have been written out something lile to-mɑs-mɪ-xaɛl, which could fairly easily be read to sound like to-mu-may since you have literally nothing to go off
The actual name was on the cards. The phonetics were not IPA that requires people to learn it first and it was just spelled in plain English like SAIR-uh vuhr-JIHN-yuh BREH-nuhn. The picture of the card can be found in the article by washington post's article.
She seems to be (sometimes) combining the first name with the first syllable of the next name. Hence, Marissa Lynn = Marisilin Allison Nicole = Allisuna Cole Also seems like the card sometimes represents the schwa as a u or uh, which she then pronounces 'oo' So we get Allison Nicole = Allisoona Cole (not sure why the 'Ni' becomes 'na'... maybe the Ni is represented as 'Nacole') Stephanie = Stephoonie Jessica = Jessikoo Thomas = Ta moo may (although I don't know why it didn't end up as Tamoos)
The actual name was on the cards. The phonetics were not IPA that requires people to learn it first and it was just spelled in plain English like SAIR-uh vuhr-JIHN-yuh BREH-nuhn. The picture of the card can be found in the article by washington post's article.
@@meowateyourchips7417 That was a lie lol, there were ONLY the names in phonetics. Again, that was a spread lie, don't know why ppl keep spreading it.
The fact that she had the phonetic spelling AND the regular spelling is what gets me. A graduate from the school posted a picture of it and it has both spellings. You would of thought she would of started reading the regular spelling but I guess not lmao
Yeahhh that’s the thing. Even with phonetics being confusing, there’s just no way to confuse “Thomas” especially when your university (that you work at) is named after a President named Thomas.
I’d be fine since I have an iq more than 5. How do you mess up Thomas and Sarah even in phonetics it’s easy. Especially for someone who’s supposed to be a professor. Embarrassing.
@@nebulisnoobis102 …have you seen the cards? They did not use IPA. Sarah was simply “Sare-uh” and things like that. Don’t defend this tool especially since the normal name was present above in bold.
My college graduation memory: In a field house where the A/C couldn’t keep up with the heat and amount of people. Some dude 15 mins into the 2-3 hour ceremony starts letting it rip and gassing the whole section. People playing detective trying to figure out who the hell is farting based on dissipation.
I was so confused how she was struggling so much. I then looked up what phonetic spelling was. I myself would struggle 100x more pronouncing a name I know in phonetics than a name I’ve never seen just spelled out.
@meowateyourchips7417 yea, but honestly that was a bad choice. If i was in charge i would never give phonetics underneath classic English names, depending on the person that would end up confusing people. I remember in my high school our teacher would only write phonetics for uncommon American names or foreign names. I dont know who thought giving her the name + phonetics of every single name was a good idea. Since usually if i see phonetics under a name i am assuming its not a commonly pronounced name.
They gave her a card that unnecessarily phoneticized the names. So instead of Thomas it was literally written as “ˈtɒməs” and instead of Marissa it was “ /məˈrɪsə/“. Borderline gibberish if you don’t have very specific education.
I was once the escort at a quinceanera, and when the announcer called me up to start the dance ceremony he called me "Carmen". Still plagues me to this day.
Above the phonetic spelling is the actual name in big bold letters they shared screenshots. She knew what it was she was reading phonetics for 10 mins before realizing there’s no set up
She actually did summon a demon onto stage. Luckily, it was quickly ushered out before it could do damage so that the next graduate could be presented.
When I graduated highschool I was sick at the time but I was powering through it (pre covid times obvi) but someone was giving a speech and we had to stand for it for whatever reason and I nearly passed out I ended up laying on the cool pavement back stage and then I got in a wheelchair and shoehorned on stage and got the wrong diploma. I'll never forget it at least
The issue is the phonetic list probably didn't distinguish the end of one name and the beginning of a middle or surname. Which is why they was added syllables at the end of the name.
There should have been spaces, but they said in their post that they had errors with the list on top of only having thr phonetic names instead of both. It seems like the phonetics were the ONLY thing up there on top of errors with them. But really the dean/director or anyone should have paused the ceremony and just had the students whisper their name to someone or hand out papers to write them instead of letting the ceremony keep going like that.
@@Cotif11 It was probably written TAH-muhs MY… which getting tahmoomay from isn’t like… crazy? I think she also thought the capitalized sounds were the word breaks, rather than going by dashes
Weird, i remember my university 11 years ago had this shit down, we went in the week before and wrote our stuff down phonetically, and it all worked out, idk what new system of phonetics they decided to use here.
My university had a very good system for this. The presenter had the list of names ahead of time and had marked evey one she was not 100% confident in. If your name got marked you were directed to go see the presenter at a table in the corner. You were also encouraged to go talk to the presenter if you had what may look like a normal name but was pronounced differently. The presenter herself had you pronounce your name to her several times, she would take notes and then one of the people helping her would record a clip of you saying it. My guess is, if the presenter's notes were not enough to jog her memory on how to pronounce it, there was someone right beside her to queue up the recording for her to give a quick listen. All in all it was very well thought out and precisely executed. One of the few things my university actually did right.
At my highschool, well known students were the ones who read your name and you could choose one of 3. You’d hand them a name card with how your names spelled, and then below how you’d pronounce. If they didn’t know for sure once you handed it over they’d ask just to make sure. Thought that worked pretty good but idk how well that would work in larger class settings (even though we were a class of 250 it’s much larger for college)
I read 1/2 of that and that's just basic, common sense and planning. This is what every human being with an IQ of at least 90 should be able to do without being told. I'm not surprised this college didn't do that because colleges are getting dumber. This staff probably has less intelligence than a class of seventh graders because even they could have executed this better.
Here’s the thing tho. Phonetic spelling is important and my graduation had all the English professors spell our names phonetically if they are hard to pronounce. I have four names and my last name is hyphenated and very complicated Italian. BUT they had another English teacher VERSED in phonetic spellings do the announcing of every grad. And she came by and rehearsed them if we had had them spell it out
The pronunciation debacle at the graduation will definitely make it more memorable for everyone. It's unfortunate for the students, but at least there's a unique story to tell.
This. It's pretty hilarious to have a completely normal name be totally butchered. Like they're reading Mandarin while knowing like 3 letters in Mandarin. It is a hilarious story for later on and definitely would make it more memorable for me. I would find it hilarious to be honest, so hopefully these kids are able to laugh about it and not fixate on it negatively.
Imagine getting ready to read students name out loud and the paper they give you looks like this; - /dʒɑn/ - /ˈmɛri/ - /ˈmaɪkəl/ - /ˈdʒɛnɪfər/ - /dʒeɪmz/ - /ˈsɛrə/ - /ˈdeɪvɪd/ - /ˈɛməli/ - /ˈkrɪstəfər/ - /ˈdʒɛsɪkə/
6:54 As a Speech-Pathology major, I can confirm that some of these phonetics are not easy for someone who isn't experienced to read. Like in jessica for example, the whole name would be transcribed as this /dʒɛsɪkə/. How would the school expect someone without some sort of linguistics or phonology background to read these accurately and quickly? That being said, she is still adding extra sounds that are not present in the transcription and this would be my personal hell if I had to rapid fire read names like that. End rant
I don't think it was even transcribed in IPA, I remember reading that they just spelled it out like "jeh-sih-ka" or something similar. It would have 100% made things worse for me too, I have no clue how anyone could think this was a good idea
All that I got for my college graduation was a virtual one due to the 2020 pandemic. I would've taken this over the virtual one because it would've been more memorable and something to look back on fondly. I do have a bit of a complicated last name, but i don't mind if someone messed it up. I hope those college graduates have amazing careers.
Above the phonetic spelling is the actual name in big bold letters they shared screenshots. She knew what it was she was reading phonetics for 10 mins before realizing…
My university made us put our pheotic name in our submission to walk, they then showed the graduation card to us on our day of graduation that had our spelled out name and pheotic spelling to confirm they got both right. How did the school mess up that bad by not going something that easy
They did do this, exactly this, u can see the cards on Washington Posts article the announcer just chose not to read the damn non phonetic spelling for whatever reason
Having the phonetics of the names only is like assembling a puzzle without the original picture. I feel bad for the presentor and i ridicule the school for thinking a phonetic only list was how they should have handled it.
Charlie is right. They will remember this forever. During my eight grade graduation, I put my wrote my middle name on the call sheet as “Danger”, but I didn’t bother with phonetic spelling because…I live dangerously. The announcer pronounced my middle name as “Dang- er” and my family still brings it up to this day
6:43 She gets "Alisoona" because there's also no separation between names. So her middle name, Nicole, the "Ni" is blending in to the end of "Allison". That's also why she says "Cole" next, "Alisoona Cole" from "Allison Nicole".
@@rattlestormrepublic4874 not if her middle was a name with an A, her last name is Nicole. They don't usually use middle names as the last name dueing graduation
Why would a university just expect a person couldnt read, so they hand them cards with a bunch of stupid shit written to hope a person could pronounce what they wrote?
Any Giants fans here who remember when they had that kid as a guest PA announcer who introduced Russ Davis as "Roos" Davis? I love how we collectively decided to run with it and started cheering him on with "ROOOOOOOS!!" from that point forward until he retired. 😂
I went to this school for a semester and transferred out. I can confidently say that this video is the perfect representation about how everything at TJU went.
You can really tell when someone commented in the first 0.6 seconds of the video cuz they are all insulting the way she says thomas when literally charlie explains why less than 3 minutes in
Charlie didn’t look for pictures of the actual cards that are already floating around online. The actual names were indeed on the cards. The phonetics were not also IPA standard which requires a person to learn first and it was just spelled in English like SAIR-uh vuhr-JIHN-yuh BREH-nuhn. Even if only the phonetics were on the card, I personally would have been able to pronounce it somewhat correctly.
@@meowateyourchips7417 I've seen the video of the girl showing the name card for her name, the only explanation I could think of that doesn't involve supposing that the reader was a complete and utter imbecile was it's a Steve Harvey incident where there was something blocking the top part of the cards when she had them. But even then, after 3 names, she should have thought "Hold up, wait a minute, something ain't right!"
6:40 I don’t think they had spaces between first and last names. The “Allisoona” she says here was probably written with a soft u instead of an o, and she probably got the ending “na” from Nicole. With no spacing between words, there is no way to tell whether or not her name is Allison Nicole, or Allisoni Cole. I don’t think she’s trolling
High schoolers graduating is so unserious. In the UK you get your exam results at home from a website and you collect your certificates from the front office of your school a few months later. If you’re lucky you get a letter.
I would have been so concerned as a nursing student on this stage cause the way she pronounced Thomas actually sounds so much like someone starting slurring their speech right before a massive seizure... this hole thing is unbelievable 😭😭😭😭 Ps: I'm not a nursing student I just meant it as 'if I was'
I also graduated recently and one of the speakers at my commencement had been an "oil baron", among other disliked things, and people were handing out fliers outside that said stuff about him as well as telling people to boo when he got on stage and until he got off stage. Yes, many people booed, it was wild. He did handle it with grace during his speech when he said something about being well liked or something to lighten the mood (this was almost a month ago, i barely remember what he said) but he also admitted to stealing stuff from others to make him more money which was so out of pocket, i think i heard people gasping from surprise. My friend and i ended up leaving early after walking and getting our fake diplomas so we could spend more time with our families (my family was leaving that night so i really wanted to leave asap)
I was in the crowd for this. My sister was graduating for nursing. Let me just say, the crowd was not quiet. It was utterly baffling how bad she was fumbling. The amount of times she had messed up just the name Elizabeth is insane! Me and many others in the crowd were periodically yelling to stop or swap with someone else. One dude yelled “get it right”, and from there it ramped up and more people joined, it was wild! Luckily, when my sister went up, someone else was reading the names. Who knew this would happen, and for such a damn big event too! Oh, and as for the phonetic spelling: my sister said that one of her professors went up to point out to her to just say the names themselves, but she kept either ignoring him or not understanding what they meant, which is where the problem arises.
@@milesmccue9388 Agreed 100%. But I'm also very prone to cringe, so this would still be excruciating to sit through on the basis of pure cringe. In fact, I have yet to see the video, because I'm even cringing over a continent away by the thought alone lmao
In middle school, I was super involved with the spelling bee. I was one of those kids who studied for it and everything. In high school, I was an editor for a student magazine. In college, I majored in English. I still don’t know how to read phonetic spellings.
That’s insane. I’ve graduated twice now and both times the announcer was given both the normal name and a phonetic spelling submitted by the student only if they felt it was necessary. For example my name ends in a short I sound, and I submitted a phonetic spelling to ensure they didn’t pronounce my name with a long I sound. This seems to be standard for all schools. What was Jefferson thinking?
Nah that has been proven false, she had access to the names too, its diversity hire, they wanted the most ethnic person and she did as well as you would do reading names at a Nigerian graduation..
So, according to the card I saw on The Washinton Post, she had cards with the names spelled AND phonetically....and also, the phonetics were hard to mess up if you read them the way they were on the card. Sair-uh Vuhr-jin-ya Brehn-nun and you read out...“Sigh-eer Oo-voon-jean-june Bree-nun" girl...what?!
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@@timmiller1I think they chose phonetic spelling because they thought it would make it so everyone's name is pronounced with the same proficiency. They were right, I just don't think they expected to be right by mispronouncing everyone's name regardless of how common it might be.
@@timmiller1 Everyone blames White people for not being able to pronounce a name like Uvuwevewe Ogwewumbwem-Osas correctly but nobody gets mad at Japanese people for not being able to prounce "William Wallace" correctly. That's a racist double-standard.
my college graduation was right after the brunt of the pandemic ended, so it had no ceremony or party, it was just a handful of people in a line taking a bunch of pictures, but I went there with 0 intention of taking pictures and honestly didn't even know there were going to be pictures, so I wore some long jhorts and a pair of dirty sneakers, and now all have to remember that day are a bunch of wackass pictures of me looking like a homeless teen runaway junkie. I *wish* they were announcing names and the person doing it called me Quandale Dingle or something, that would've made the occasion actually worth smiling about
@@FreshTillDeath56 mine had been cancelled too, they eventually decided to change the date, but by this point, it was just something to say it happened at all. like I said, I didn't expect to even take pictures, I legit thought I was just gonna pick up the diploma and leave
So I graduated from this college 6 years ago. We had to indicate how our name was pronounced on the forms to graduate. Plus, there's many graduations for each separate college at Jefferson, like business, etc. This wasn't new, and no other speaker has messed up badly enough to make the news. She needs to stop blaming other people.
My graduation for high school was so sad. Nobody was cheering for me at all, it's was dead silent for 5 seconds, and then the pity cheer came in to stop the awkward silent.
Thomas Jefferson University runs one of the two major hospital systems here in Philadelphia. Imagine you're about to get surgery and the doctor walks in and says "Alright, Tom-moo-may, what are we in for today?"
Gotta say, that _is_ a interesting way to remember a class. Because i remember that my CTC Teacher showed us the Key&Peele skit about the "Substitute Teacher," not long before a fire drill. And during that, i would be called ALE-x.
As someone with a simple last name that EVERYONE gets wrong, i feel the pain. I was livid during my graduation, my mother even got a picture with my face scrunched in anger walking across the stage.
I feel this way all the time. Everyone pronounces my last name as "broad" instead of "bro." I know it's silly and French, but it's such a common last name in Louisiana 😭
@@CanadienCat-fs8cw lol But this is some BS There should be a way to easily permanently block all these bots/ spam comments by now Every single one of Charlie's videos is the same shit, more bot replies than actually people commenting
