Science & The Shroud of Turin | feat. Robert Rucker 

Extraordinary evidence, fabulous presentation. Thank you for sharing with the world and God Bless

I have been studying the Shroud for going on 5 years now and I still can't get my fill of it. I figure Christ left it here as physical evidence of his life and his murder and his resurrection all rolled up into one. What an absolutely stunning gift. Anyone who applies themself and looks into this relic should find themselves in this exact position regardless of their belief at the start . I just cannot get enough!

Ray Rodger who did one of the 6 carbon dating of the shroud later discovered that cotton was added to the repair area which was done in the 1200s. The shroud was pure linin. Cotton wasn't used in burial cloths. Ray Rodger in writing said that the carbon dating was in valid.

I was blessed to be up close and personal with the Shroud in 1990 when I was attending the soccer World Cup. Awesome experience.

Just heard an art historian affirm that it is not a medieval forgery.

Great interview. I love anything to do with the Shroud. God Bless.

That man is amazing a pleasure to listen to ..Great interview , God bless ...

It Is Time. You need to bring the best of your case, evidence and co guests, into the studio with The Joe Rogan podcast. Reach the masses. This shroud is the most important artifact on Earth.

Outstanding explanation and evidence on the Shroud and the Suderium by a very learned professional man. Thank you and God bless.

There is so much evidence now that the shroud is the actual burial cloth of Christ that, after you've seen it, you can't deny it unless you simply do not want to believe. No one can stop willful ignorance. People would rather live in darkness, exactly as the bible said.

His study of the Shroud and carbon data makes perfect sense. The light that Jesus talked about is what passed through the Shroud and will negate any carbon data

This is one of those interviews that I would need 2 weeks to research what Rucker said to even get close to comprehending what he said . It’s way over my head but I like the challenge of trying to understand it

Fantastic interview. Great questions and well articulated by Robert. God bless

Excellent evidence and reason. Science based.

It was refreshing, in this era of quick assumptions and misleading information, to listen to a real scientist, doing actual science over many years, talk about a complex and controversial topic.

Perhaps you can be the one to bring this research and attention to Joe Rogans podcast. I'd really like to see someone on his show and sharing all things Shroud.

fascinating! thanks much Robert Rucker for sharing your research and GG for interviewing him, excellent (although you did get rather excited haha)

Fantastic theory involving Neutron absorption. Makes a great deal of sense, and most comprehensive explanation for the mistaken C-14 dates of the Shroud and Sudarium (which have different dates because of the proximity to the body)! Fantastic! Thank you for intelligent content!

I have read many articles and watched many videos with growing evidence (e.g. no paint, blood makeup that shows the man was tortured, the Roman coins on the eyes, the type of weave, the vertical projection of the image, and much more) but the only thing leaving doubt was the carbon dating. Now, this explanation of how the radiation or release of protons and neutrons affects carbon dating, makes perfect sense and the fact that the greater distance results in less an affect shows one more piece of evidence that nobody in Medieval times would know to fake. I hope you get to further support this theory with the limestone in the tomb, if one of them is the actual tomb. Thanks for the explanation that further proves the authenticity of the shroud.

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Fascinating

Great interview. It's my first time on your channel, and I particularly love that you don't interrupt your guest, even though the very interesting guest was a bit long-winded at first. Thank you!

Great show i appreciate it

Detailed early witness sketches and letters cannot be ignored. The Hungarian Pray codex dates to crusade era, late 1100's, and includes two period sketches, one of the crucifixion, one of the shroud.

Its quite the enigma that it only happened, i believe, to the shroud Jesus was wrapped in! Has any other shrouds been found to have the same x-ray images by the method he spoke of, i wonder??? I truly believe it is our Lord, no matter how science tries to disprove it! Thank you for an interesting video! Anna UK. 👍🙏🏻

That's a very good point that if we don't know how the image was formed (or what irradiative process was involved), then there is no reason to trust carbon dating.

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Mike, I think it would cool if you did a Best of video for your channel were you took all the best clips from the interviews you have done. Your own Docu episode. Oh, and I think you should reach out to Lee Strobel. The well known Author of such books as 'Case for Christ'( an awesome read by the way). His encounter with the shroud, among some other interesting investigative measures, brought him to Faith in Christ. Great Channel man. Ive seen every episode on the shroud.

I think I remember Bob mentioning that the neutron blast may still be detectable in the limestone of the tomb....wow what a discovery that would be. I would like to dream that there was someone who could explore that part of Jerusalem with some sort of neutron geiger counter lol. Also some sort of instrument or camera that could display different parts of the shroud and how a neutron burst would have affected it. With all our technology can somebody please invent a camera that can do that. We have Infrared and Xray cameras so that's another hope I have.

22:23 Abide thou with me, fear not: for he that seeketh my life seeketh thy life: but with me thou shalt be in safeguard. 1 Samuel

I was just pondering string theory and this video came up. Interesting

Following the publication of the comprehensive book by Father Eusebio García de Pesquera, ‘She Went In Haste To The Mountain’, it came to light that the Shroud of Turin was mentioned at Garabandal. During one of the many ecstasies when the Blessed Virgin spoke to the visionary about the Sabana Santa (Spanish for Holy Shroud). Among the spectators at that ecstasy was the Marquesa de Santa Maria, an excellent witness, and it was from her that Prof. Jacques Serre learned what the Virgin Mary said about the Shroud. The Marquesa heard Conchita repeat the words of Our Lady: ”It is the divine imprint of my Son.”

I always found it interesting from a scientific viewpoint that the Shroud, the Suderium of Oviedo and the Holy Tunic of Argenteuil all have type AB+ blood on them. Very interesting. Hard to explain unless they were actually at the same event, involving the same person.

God Bless all if those continuing to work upon given further proof of His existance

Hello from France👋 could thé flash of thé résurrection that left this " picture " of Jésus , bé similar to thé flash of thé atomic bomb detonated in Hiroshima , that left " pictures " of.people and.objects ...? They are called shadows

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THE SHROUD OF TURIN Who fears to believe in The Shroud of Turin? Where all our answers lie within, Is it a fear that we owe too much? To our Heavenly King, to whom we clutch, The wounds are there, for all to see, The puncture marks, from crown to feet, The serene face amongst a world of sin, All laid out on The Shroud of Turin. Who fears to profess The Shroud of Turin? The sacred cloth of herringbone spin, Where Jerusalem's pollen is scattered within, And where the Passion has drawn its own depiction. Many Kings and Queens, have gazed upon, The Royal Blood, of The Living Eon, An acute awareness as their hearts did swell, They wisely knew to guard it well. Yet the flames, the smoke, the water stains, The molten silver's burning veins, Other adverse forces deep disdain, And still the Holy scene remains. A masterpiece that's drawn with Blood, Blind scientists have never understood, These consistencies of which The Gospels told, Are not for heathens ears to behold, They test with all of (s)atan's ways, And test again to their own dismay. Speak proudly about The Shroud of Turin, And never fear the mocking crowd, For they hate all things, before they begin, And their fields are dull and badly ploughed, It is the path of the pessimist, A road that leads to the great abyss, Where hope and love is abandoned in, The inescapable fiery pit. We Christians stand our ground and say, On any other given day, Even circumstantial evidence the courts allow, But not yet with the case of The Holy Shroud. With gratitude, Lord Yeshua, We thank you for this Royal Gift, To gaze upon your Holy Form, To acknowledge that we believers fit, Into your Realm high above, Into your Heart, The King of Love, Into your Spirit, The Great I AM, Into the World of the Spotless Lamb. (Culligan 180824)✝️

The Shroud of Turin is actual physical proof evidence of our Lord's Glorious Resurrection. God left this for all humanity as God does everything on purpose. Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏 ✝️

Nice interview. It's spelled "sudarium" (as in, the Sudarium of Oviedo), not "cedarium."

So interesting so very interesting, I'm wondering if it's possible in the future to locate the epicentre of the nuclear event, I don't suppose a geiga counter would pickup such a location but makes me wonder in the near future if a device could pick up the actual location

Can we go to the tomb and test the rock? Should be something measurable there.

I can not shake the thought that the location of the C14 tests being chosen by the Catholic Church being intentional. How can it be that they were taken from the location of a medieval repair given the size of the shroud? Who chose that location and why?! An answer to that question needs to be sought as we all deserve that answer.

I wish I had a better grasp of nuclear physics! Like a student who doesn't belong in this class I sit here nodding wisely and understanding only the English words. What a shame, my loss.

In essence a description of atomic dematerialization through the shroud.

Was the infrared laser image of Mr. Rucker subjected to the VP-8 3D imaging machine?

AFTER A MEAL THE NAPKIN WAS THROWN ONTO THE TABLE OR SURFACE FROM WHICH THEY WERE EATING....BUT IF THEY WERE LEAVING FOR AWHILE AND THEN RETURNING THE NAPKIN WOULD BE FOLDED AS JEWISH CUSTOM. WOULD JESUS FOLD HIS CLOTH IN THE TOMB TO INDICATE HIS RETURN AS THE JEWS WOULD UNDERSTAND.

I thought it was strange that they only took 1 piece for carbon dating. For something that important should have been several from different locations. Besides they picked probably the worse place to take a sample. A much simpler answer to the carbon testing is they took the sample from where it cloth had been repaired, it’s not invisible reweave, it’s hard to see. There’s a video on who figured it out & how it was proved to be true. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YWyiZtagxX8.html

He said "vertically columnated radiation bursts" hypothesis or VCRB.hypothesis.

Through that radiation burst, The Children were left yet more proof.

If it were neurons passing through or the “Light” then why Is the discoloration only penetrate a couple of microns of the outer layer of a thread? If it were passing through in radiation for instance the entire thread would show through not just an outer layer

Our Lady of Goudelope. Did. The same thing in 1531'

God in His goodness gave us the Bible as sort of the travel brochure of holiness---like say, there is a fine lookout peak here, ,the landmark of a famous battle here, etc. The Churches give us a roadmap like bridge out , take this road to ..., or floodplain here caution advised. Science is the GPS telling us specifics on where we are in the travel and when to turn to arrive at a destination.

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Has anyone compared the shroud image to the shadows left by the two atomic bombs in Japan to see if it was a simular energy?

So I'm 15 minutes in... And Im still in the dark to whether this shroud is authentic.. Or if this gentleman thinks it is.. Or what the evidence says.. So I sure hope the results of all the research so far points to SOMETHING.

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Some great guests and discussions. With respect, I do find it rather distracting with the continual interjections of hmm, yeah, right, aha...know it’s a hard habit to kick.

The carbon dating now seems to uphold the fact there was a patch. The raw data has now been looked at and it shows the date goes back further as more of the original threads became part of the samples.

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Bitumen of Judea and asphalt of Syria will produce an image on an old cloth. The cloth could have been purchased centuries later than it was woven.

This man’s scientific understanding and even his understanding of people reminds me of myself. He has a new fan

the problem with Rucker's theory is that is almost entirely speculation. it's based on the fact that the Oxford sample was dated to a range slightly different to that of Zurich and Arizona, and from that he extrapolated a gradient of dates across the entire shroud. it fits with the fact, but the far more plausible explanation is that the Oxford sample was cleaned in a slightly different way than the other samples

Carbon dating is just unreliable. There have been many cases of new things being dated hundreds or even thousands of years!

I have read books on this, and still hearing pros and cons. so no one knows for sure, it is frustrating.

Even with the technology of today we cannot move 200 ton rocks up a mountain and shape it to fit perfectly with the next 150 ton rock. Guess what they did it, so you cannot say for a fact that it can’t be made by a person.

If the shroud was wrapped around the body then wouldn't the image be all distorted when you unfold it? What I see looks like a 2D image painted on a flat surface rather than what I would expect to see if a shroud was wrapped around a body and then the body emitted some kind of radiation that caused an imprint on the material.

The main argument against authenticity and that could be enough on its own: the dimensions are not correct. The VP-8 only found 3D info of a bas-relief (about 3cm deep) and not of a whole body. It is a second operation, made from these results, which recreated a body with a program to add the correct dimensions of a body. We find a 3D body because we implemented a program to have a 3D body. This second operation can be considered artistic at best, fraud at worst. A body printed on a sheet renders an image which lengthens as it moves away from the center and which breaks up with the folds of the fabric or simply the extension of its surface because of the curve it takes. The hair must mark in a more blurred and light way, even stick to the skull since it is the blood which must mark. The sheet must be excessively stretched so as not to end up in places with hollows also represented but only the full ones. For that, the mark is in this sense too delimited. Where have the sides gone? Why would Jesus' followers have stretched the sheet above and below (what supports the body in this diagram?) so as to mark only the solids and not the sides? it doesn't make any sense. Ah and then given the small distance between the back and the front of the head, it seems impossible that the top of the skull did not print the fabric and therefore not connect the two. There is a difference of almost 7 cm between the frontal image and the dorsal image. The arms are too long (just enough to hide the genitals) as are the fingers. The forehead is too small. The body is surprisingly very large for the time of Jesus but much less when compared to the figure of the medieval knight. Even assuming that the body is bent (the use of rigor mortis here is more of a magic solution that comes to counter attacks on proportions with bogus assumptions) it does not explain all the proportions more than 'unusual (like fingers). Especially since the folded body does not change the fact that we have the choice between a tempera technique on bas-relief on one side (which explains the dimensions and makes it possible to have a task with similar characteristics such as the showed the various experiments made) and a body in suspension which is printed thanks to a magic ray on a sheet itself in suspension. And then the shot of the bent body also increases the problem of the front/back junction of the skull because a bent body requires an even longer sheet and changes the deformation of the image even more. The sample for carbon dating was carried out by three sindonologists (hard to say that they would have failed on purpose) including experts in ancient textiles (if they are not able to recognize a more recent piece of stitched fabric from almost a millennium and a half so there is a big problem) on a rectangular piece taken from the bottom left of the ventral image and specifically far from any damaged or stitched part (it can be seen with the naked eye). The sample was then sent to three prestigious independent laboratories recognized for their excellence in this method and whose results are consistent with each other (the shroud was woven with flax harvested between 1260 and 1390) and with the appearance of the shroud in the story. The fires of 1532 added scorch and water marks (to put out the fire) to this one but that's not enough to discredit the carbon dating. The ad hoc hypothesis of contamination by a fungus which would have distorted the dating is contradicted by the calculations made by Henri Brock which shows that the fungus should have brought twice as much carbon as the laundry currently contains. His calculations also show that the fire should have contributed twice as much carbon as the laundry contains if the fire only dated back to 1800 and more than 5 times for 1500. It should not be forgotten either that any dating carbon is preceded by a cleaning phase to remove the carbon pollution. The ad hoc hypothesis of proton bombardment is itself such a mystery that it absolutely cannot pass Ockham's razor and totally contradicts the laws of physics. There is an excellent scientific article which presents the carbon dating of 1988, the extreme precautions and guarantees that have been taken so as not to make any mistakes (great media pressure) as well as the immediate and unsurprising desire of believers to pass this dating for bad because it does not validate their beliefs. It also presents the subsequent unsuccessful attempts to contradict this dating by ad hoc hypotheses and by other datings, but whose methodological biases were too great to draw anything from them, until recently and far from completly refuting this dating. The opinion also of Christopher Ramsey (director of the AMS laboratory in Oxford at the time of writing the article and a specialist in carbon dating) is reported there, who accepts the idea of a new dating with other techniques (tested these and not created for the shroud) in the hope that it will allow believers to no longer take pleasure in the denial of scientific results which in the long term will make it possible to clean up the scientific debate. The article in question dates from December 23, 2013, was written by Richard CORFIELD and is entitled "Chemistry in the face of belief". However, it is more easily found by searching for "The enduring controversy of the Turin Shroud". Quote from Christopher Ramsey in 2008: "I'm always willing to consider any serious suggestions of why the dating might not be correct and to do further tests to investigate such suggestions. In this sense, i keep an open mind - as I would about any scientific investigation. However, my strong intuition, based on my experience in this field, is that the new hypothesis will not challenge the accuracy of the original radiocarbon dating exercise." This position is shared by all specialists in radio-carbon dating. Jacques Evin, for example, gives a very similar opinion. In 2019, T. Casabianca (accustomed to publications on the Turin's shroud) published a study in the journal Archaeometry, which showed a lack of homogeneity in the raw carbon dating data, without proving an ancient origin. Indeed, Walsh Bryan and Schwalbe Larry show in 2020 in their article "An instructive inter-laboratory comparison: The 1988 radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin" that only a few decades of difference are necessary to reach the 95% reliability announced in 1988. In 2005, Raymond Roger, member of STURP, published a study (R.N.Rogers, “Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin.”, Thermochimica Acta, 425 (2005), p. 189-194.) which claimed to show that the dating of 1988 is false because made on patched parts. It is based on the vanillin level of the fibers taken, on a Wiesner test and claims both to demonstrate the invalidity of the 1988 dating but also to date the shroud itself to an age between 1300 and 3000 years. Many problems with this study: We have no guarantee where the sample comes from or its storage conditions. This one was given to him by Luigi Gonella who claims to hold it from the 1988 levy but no proof is provided, only his word. Nothing says that it is not a fabric from a totally different origin. The heat from the Shroud's fire was more than enough to vaporize the Vanillin from the surface of the Shroud in seconds and even much less. Rogers' dating method is unique, unprecedented and therefore not at all well-established, unlike that of 1988, which leads to suspicion. The values of the Wiesner test were taken in a perfectly arbitrary way. The analysis is made on a surface sample only (by adhesive) and without taking into account surface phenomena. It misses the margins of error of various numerical values, sources and references while various errors suggest that Rogers probably did not pass the peer review or that he found a way to cheat with it. In 1973, an analysis of the pollens and the dust of the linen concluded to a passage of this one in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus. Problem: the study lacks considerable precision, other pollens which should have been there (if this was the case) are not, as well as the calcyte deposited on the pollens during the fire of 1532 and the images of criminologist Max Fry strangely do not show traces of the fire (a good classic fraud in sight) which is explained by the admission of this one according to which he had taken reference images and not the real ones images of the shroud pollens. For Marzia Boi in 2010: her work is neither in agreement with previous pollen surveys and their expectations, nor in agreement with the study by Gianni Barcaccia who speaks to us squarely of pollen coming from East Africa until to China, the two willingly forgetting that the Shroud was not always kept well protected but was even exposed to the public (the degradation of the pollen is therefore quite different from the ideal state they imagine) on different occasions during which an audience of believers from all over the world could come to see him. It is not really possible to determine with precision and certainty the geographical origin of a pollen. A palynologist will tell you that we can (at best) determine the biological family to which he belongs and then see in which places in the world this family has been found over the ages, but there again it remains excessively unreliable and imprecise.

Why is it in a monastery in Turin Italy and not in Israel. A piece of linen like that at that time would have been very expensive.

Crucifixion could have been done various ways including a combination of nails through the hands and rope ties around the wrists. There is no way to know with certainty how Christ was crucified, and it is not hugely important.

Had Robert looked into the radiation residue in cases of rainbow light body activation among Tibetan lamas. This could illuminate these matters further….no pun intended.

How can a burial cloths last two thousand years?

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Wow, the beard got much shorter.🤣

According to the Bible Jesus wasn't wrapped in only one piece of linen. And a napkin was laid over His face (Luke 24:12, John 20:6-7).

Kinda funny it's dated in the age when all the artifacts got popular.theres enough cross pieced to build 100 of them

It's curious that Mr. Rucker wasn't also curious enough to investigate the DNA of the blood of Jesus on the shroud. I believe that Jesus Christ was NOT but was highly learned about the Talmud but that he wasn't believed that he wasn't the Jewish Messiah that the Jews are still waiting for his coming?

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If it is the shroud used for Jesus then why is the church keeping it out of sight = out of mind? there can be nothing more important in the world today and GOD knows we need light in this world today 🙏💙

Found it all very technical, a bit confusing and dead to be honest

Can anyone explain to me how did a shroud from Jesus' time end up in a European family's possession?

Point being, it’s a man 👍🏼 in blood 🩸👍🏼 with a crown on his head 👍🏼 and holes in his feet and wrist 👍🏼 and his legs are not broken 👍🏼 and the name Yeshua on it 👍🏼 (who would play such a joke) with something like this, surely not GOD. 😇

Wrong about the reweaving. He needs to do more research on that one.

The video is interesting as far as the guest is concerned. I find the interviewer struggeling all the time to explain his own thoughts which are not interesting. he goes on too long when he tries to add to the discussion.

Does not the Shroud have this man being Stricken on the top of his feet? In the Roman Crucifixion each breath is painful and laborious, thus the Crucified ones were stricken in the ANKLE!! As per the Gen 3:15 and Psalm 22 prophecy. When He took a breath he had to 'push down on his weight in order to get a decent breath/ THUS THE ANKLE!! not weak foot bones are what has been found ion the two Roman Ossuaries of the men Crucified RECENTLY FOUND! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FWsQ9BuwoOQ.html

Frustrating to listen too. Interviewer always saying "ok" or "sure" or "ahum" something when guest is speaking. Can't finish it. Ask a question then dont say anything till he stops or runs on too long.

The photographer could have touched up his own photograph. Shaded it, added light and dark. It could have been faked. Sorry. Also, just because photography was not widespread does not mean that someone was not capable of using chemicals such as bitumen of Judea and asphalt of Syria along with a camera obscura-- described as early as 300 BCE. It could have been a rubbing with chemicals on a dead body or a statue. The face actually looks like Leonardo Da Vinci. He spent a lot of time in morgues, btw. He could have gotten the authentic old cloth, the blood, the serum, etc. It would have taking years but it could be the reason he abandonned all projects and was taken care of in the Vatican when he was dying.

Robert Rucker is a christian, or?

I'm surprised there hasn't been another carbon test to prove the Shrouds age after 20 years, rather than just whining about the old test. Scared to test it? Carbon test it again using the standards the church finds valid... To not test again shows very little faith by its keepers that it is 2200 years old.. .

"No bones broken" is not an Old Testament prophecy about crucifixion. The subject is saying that he, as suffering servant, is so emaciated from constant abuse, "can count all my bones". His skeleton is showing through his withered flesh. The text has nothing to do with Jesus's, or anyone else's, crucifixion. Also, "Old Testament prophecy" should NEVER be invoked in a purely scientific study.

Even if this is a shroud who is to say it is Jesus, could be someone else.

Well I can see where the is going.🤣 Are his studies peer reviewed? The shroud has a herringbone pattern while used in the Middle Ages was not exist in the Roman world.

"Events outside our current laws of physics"...... I've tried saying that..... Their response: "God of the Gaps" IF you can't explaine something, why is it automatically: "GOD". Wait for technology and science to explain, instead of throwing in your invisible "sky daddy".

If you read the Gospel of John you would immediately know that the shroud is fake.

It is fine that scientific evidence supports the authenticity if the Shroud. But having faith in God dose not require further proof. It is only for those who have no or weak faith .