@EazzyHoops you know nothing about basketball Scottie is thr best defender of all time he has a strong case and Jordan could barely make it out the first round without pippen
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 nice copypaste except you forgot lebron's competition were below 50 win teams in the ecf and jordan's were champions and hofers lmao
As someone who was alive when the Bulls drafted Pippen, many Bulls fans did not like it. We viewed him as a "project" who was unknown, and from an unknown small school. Sure enough, when he arrived he was SUPER RAW and needed motivating. It was Jordan who lit a fire under his arse. It took years but eventually Pip stepped his game up. It was playing and practicing with Jordan that brought Pips game up. Still, if Jordan missed a game, or better yet, when Jordan retired, Pippen fell flat. He did not have anywhere close to the "killer will" of MJ. To put it bluntly, MJ "made him"..... just like he made many of the other players on those Bulls teams. Last point, and I never thought I would have to say this.... but right now, MJ is UNDERrated... yes, underrated. To see him play, to see the way he elevated those teams, to see his unparalleled fire, intensity, athleticism and skill "in person" was truly something to behold. There is NOBODY in the game today that comes close. The closet one was Kobe... and yet Kobe would admit Jordan was better.
thats a weird point, if MJ wasnt on the court, there also wasnt "another" pippen supporting him. they were severely undermanned no matter how u see it.
And why did he sign a 7 year contract to play with this so called horrible player and teammate? I guess he didn't mind playing with him for 7 more years...
pippen was included in the 92 dream team so that mj would finally decide to join and they can call it the dream team. when pippen was selected to the 50 greatest players, he was the most questioned because obviously there are more talented and accomplished players like dominique and mcadoo that were more deserving. in 94 when the bulls reached the playoff semis without mj, no one talks about the fact he had 2 other allstars on the team that year, one was even an allstar starter along pippen himself! in 94 they also had a clutch player named kukoc. his own coach didnt even trust him to take the last shot. then in 95, no one wants to talk about the fact that the bulls led by pippen were on pace to miss the playoffs and were saved when mj came back. after winning 72 games in 96, the bulls had a chance to win 70 again in 97 but pippen bricked (as in it didnt even make contact with the ring) the game winner in their last regular season game so the bulls had to settle for 69 wins. then in 98, pippen missed 30 plus games and the bulls still won 62 games even with rodman taking a vegas vacation in the middle of the freaking season! in the finals that year, pippen was useless with a back injury and the bulls still beat the jazz. and with all these, lebron fans would argue that pippen carried jordan! pippen became a good player because of mj. he won 6 chips because of mj. and now because of this ridiculous goat debate, lebron fans are making him out to be an even better player to diminish mj even more. he is somewhat relevant now because of mj. he owes mj everything and repays him by bashing him. what a class act!
Thank you. As someone who watched almost all those games I will tell you that Pippen rode MJ"s coattails into NBA history. He was a great player and awesome defender, but we need to pump the brakes on the revisionist history that he was more special than his stats and impact displayed.
The only person not saying a word is Jordan. Jordan’s resume speaks for itself, and Pippen cannot change that with any narrative. Pippen’s argument demonstrates why history is important because you cannot change it.
But if he didn't have Pippen he wouldn't have 6 rings neither. Truth be told, nobody wanted to play with Jordan because they knew how he was behind the scenes.
They constantly remind fan us the bulls never loss in the finals, nice, beautiful thing. Boston won 7 in a roll. Why the so call goat didn't brake they record, or is all-time leader in points, as much as he shoot. And to go play baseball, ( later for why baseball) go take a brake mike. The real goat would've went for 6 in a roll or more. Baseball really, and made a complete fool of his self. I respect Kobe he was trying to score 100 on somebody. And they couldn't control him, once he realize how great he was. See what happen, they don't play fair. And he was about to buy a team and have his own sneaker. Every free agents would've wanted to play for Kobe, unlike mike. Those snakes took him out.
@@Oba7 If Pippen is removed, then let's remove Irving, Wade, Bosh, and Davis. Lebron would be an average player with zero rings. Listen don't make it so obvious you suck off Lebron most men aren't fans of other men 😂😂😂
Next time a Bron fan tries to tell me Jordans bulls were a superteam, I'ma just copy and paste this link to them. Love this video. Had to watch it twice 😅
Won’t help , one has to be stupid to think anything great about Lebum plus even calling his name with great players like Jordan or Kobe , he’s not even close to bird much less magic
@@NEGROMONKEY-vc6qm Lebron always had a player that averaged more offensive win shares than both Scottie and Kukoc in both regular season and playoffs.
I've always appreciated Pippen's all-around game, but I think that one of the most overlooked/under appreciated arguments from the stupid GOAT debates is that Jordan basically had no consistent help on offense, and never played with a teammate that required a double team. I had never looked at Pippen's playoff stats before watching this video, and WOW are they absolutely brutal for the second threepeat. FG% of 39%, 41.7%, and 41.5% in those playoff runs are incredibly bad.
Scottie should be grateful to have Michael as a teammate. Without Michael, Scottie is nothing. I know people will bring up 1-9 playoff record, but I feel if Michael had someone like Hakeem, David Robinson, or Charles Barkley, I believe he wins 8-9 rings.
@@darnellwilliams8783before pippen got their Jordan had Sam Vincent and coke head woolridge so stop it u can’t know sh8t about ball or ur blatantly being dishonest
It’s hard to watch pip loose his damn mind, he was one of my favorite players who I tried to model my game around. He has been embarrassing himself and I hate seeing it.
@@user-xn2bm1bx4zthe other way around Michael’s stats literally show he was a nobody without pippen, if you like it or not the only one that was actually good before their unstoppable duo was pippen not mj
@@user-xn2bm1bx4z people are not being honest about what is happening. MJ son is banging Pippens Ex Wife who is a POS. Pippen is an example of what happens when you choose the wrong women, she cheated on him so many times, and it destroyed Scottie. MJ has publically said he doesn't approve of his son being with Pippens Ex. Its a terrible situation, but Scottie is the one who picked that horrible women.
Pip missed half the season but the bulls still won 62 wins with the oldest roster in the league and to this day the oldest team to win a ring but Bron fans say Mike had a super team. Riiiiiight...
REALLY DERANGED. U MEAN RODMAN AND KUKOC 2 HOF VS 1 EWING AND BUNCH OF ROLE PLAYERS ?? U MEAN VS 6'2 BOGUES ?? OR TIM LEGLER. EASY TO WIN 60 GAMES IN XPANSION ERA WHERE 90% EASTERN TEAMS HAD 1 OER NONE ALLSTAR. ONLY MIAMI HEAT HAD 2 GUYS. JORDAN HAD 4 HALL OF FAMERS
@@PIP...33none of those guys on that bulls team even made the all stars that year except for Jordan lol And they went against Stockton and Malone in that championship which it ignored to mention. You're using all caps just to cap.
WHAT ALL STAR GAME HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING ? JAMAL MURRAY NEVER SEEN ALLSTAR GAME HE AVERAGE MORE POINTS VS LAKERS THAN JORDAN. U DERANGED@@thecensoredmuscle563
I WAS a fan of Scottie. But him and MJ as an all-time great duo is based off results and not stats. Cause stats reveal that MJ was a much more potent force and carried a heavier burden than some people are willing to credit him for. My believe is that there's been other tandems with better individual numbers, they just didn't produce the same amount of chips; i.e. Kobe and Shaq, Magic and Kareem, Bird and McHale, Steph and Klay, etc.
The fact you put Steph and klay there over fucking bron and ad or kyrie or even wade just tells me all I need to fucking know, you know literally nothing about ball if that’s your thought process and lastly the results are shown in their stats together tf are you on 🤦🏽♂️ stick to ufc
people are not being honest about what is happening. MJ son is banging Pippens Ex Wife who is a POS. Pippen is an example of what happens when you choose the wrong women, she cheated on him so many times, and it destroyed Scottie. MJ has publically said he doesn't approve of his son being with Pippens Ex. Its a terrible situation, but Scottie is the one who picked that horrible women.
I loved Scottie Pippen when he played, but now that we're in the media age and get to know him a little better... he's awful. He's bitten every hand that's ever fed him. Hates on MJ, hates on Phil Jackson and even called him racist, Left the Bulls for the Rockets because they weren't kissing his ass enough, and then blames Sir Charles and Hakeem Olajuwon for a 1st round exit. Dude has found someone to blame for every failure in his career, no matter how big or small.
Also blamed the Bulls for insisting to sign his first long-term contract against advice from the owner himself. He was underpaid for a long time because of that. He delayed his surgery on the last season run partly because of spite. Good thing MJ was still able to led the bulls to 60 wins with Rodman.
@zzzvain2876 yes it was pippens 7 points a game and 1 steal a game the year they got out of the first round that made the differences, totally, and not the fact that Jordan was scoring over 35 points a game and had 3.2 steals a game.
IF JORDAN GUARDED BEST PLAYERS FULL COURT EVERT POSSESSION LIKE SCOTTIEHE WOULD AVERAGE 5 PPG. BASKETBALL IS NOT POINTS. RODMAN 2 POINTS 16 REBOUNDS AND DEFENSE VS SHAQ MORE VALUABLE THAN MJ 28 PPG U DERANGED@@thecensoredmuscle563
Started watching NBA in ‘91 and became a Bulls fan. Scottie is definitely overrated. It’s actually a small insult to DWade if you compare him with Pippen. DWade after all has won a Finals MVP and arguably the third best SG of all time. I wouldn’t rate Pippen the third best SF of all time at all.
He was one of the best defenders in basketball for 10 years straight. And could give you 30 if needed. Youre crazy or a casual nba fan. There is a reason SP is considered a top 50 all time. And it's not riding mjs coattails.
Also he guarded 1-5 at a time nobody did that. He is a pioneer of modern basketball. And was consistently a top 10 player in the league his whole career
@@ScootsMcPoot Still, dwade is way better. He has a finals mvp where he averaged 34 ppg. And he would have another ring and a finals mvp if lebron didn't choke in 2011.
@@ScootsMcPoot Stop it with the "pioneer" nonsense; he was a bricklayer from 20 feet in 3rd and 4th quaters which is what you need to be good at in modern basketball. He wasn't doing anything that guys like Havlicek, Barry, Cunningham, and Bird weren't able to do before him. He also wasn't one of the best defenders in basketball 10-years straight. That's certainly true for a good 7-year stretch (maybe 8), but definitely not 10-straight. He was maybe a Top 10 player from '91 to '94 (probably top 5 in '92 and '94), and more like a Top 20 guy from '95 through to '97. Frankly, if you had to depend on Pippen to get you 30 in the playoffs, you're out of luck. The guy should be called "The Big Fade" in big playoff games.
All the bulls teams were overrated. Luckily for them they had Jordan who was super to allow them to be average. Nearly every game I watched, I was always pissed at the supporting cast. They were always just standing around watching Jordan. Not helping him out one bit. Especially Pippen, Longley, and Harper. My back hurts.
I don't understand this hate about Michael from Pippen: if it's a way to sell your book for a higher price, then it's a bullshit, yes, he will earn a pittance, but will lose everything else. He played with a player who gave him everything, and what financially Pippen screwed up is he is his own Pinocchio. When even Isiah Thomas (who, for a second, was not taken to the Dream Team) acknowledges the greatness of Michael, in simple terms, that thanks to him the players have 53 cents from every dollar of the League's profit. Pippen's behavior is just kindergarten and absolute stupidity.
@@ScootsMcPoot To be fair, Jordan only had 3 seasons before the Bulls got Pippen, and those 3 seasons, the Bulls roster continually gotten worse, they had 3 different coaches in those 3 different seasons, and the reason Jordan averaged 37ppg was because the team lost their best scorers from the 86 season when Jordan was injured.
This is the first time in history that this information has been published about how bad Pippen actually was - his "Iggy-caliber" was inflated by the winning spotlight to all-time status - his perceived ranking is top 30 but his actual production rates rank outside the top 100 depending on the metric... Pippen was also a historic bricklayer and lane-clogger by virtue of the worst shooting splits in playoff history for a someone with 15 games and 35 MPG (3-pt era) - he did this twice in 96' and 98' Playoffs.. Many people don't realize that anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's poor play that caused it like the 89' ECF, 90' ECF, 92' ECSF (X-Man debacle), 94' ECSF, 95' ECSF, 96' Finals, 98' ECF, 98' Finals, 97 Finals (3 APG and 4 TO or 42% shooting... 4 clutch-time points).. Pippen is simply the most overrated player ever - no one' benefitted from the winning spotlight more than him.
A lot of people overlook that the Bulls should have won their first title in 1990!? Game 7 ECF v’s Pistons, SP played all of 3 minutes (headache 🤕) in the biggest game of his career… MJ scored approx 60% Bulls total score & I don’t think any team mate had double figures in scoring. Point being that, the Pistons went on to win the finals & the championship convincingly… I believe if the Bulls won ECF, they would have won the lot! SP was a good player but, overrated. Without MJ & the Bulls he was a nobody that wouldn’t have survived the NBA
Scottie actually played over 40 minutes in that game and he supported Jordan with a solid 2pts, shooting 1/10 from the field lmao. He wasn't even worthy of being called Robin back then. Horace Grant was the only other player with double digits with 10 points. MJ scored 31 of the Bulls' 74pts and he finished top scorer of the playoffs without even playing in the finals. Scottie was far from being the savior that MJ's haters pretend he was.
@@DesroQc That game 7 in the ECF, the Bulls outside of Jordan I think only shot 20% from the field, Jordan led the team in points and assist, second in rebound. Even in 1991 finals game 1, people thought Jordan's defense on Magic was the reason they lost (nope), but it was Pippen who shot 37% FG, Horace shot 38% FG, Bill Cartwright shot 38% FG, and John Paxson 43% FG in a 2 point loss. Jordan again led the team in point assist steal, and second in rebound.
Before Scotty started this BS with Jordan, I always liked him and thought he was a nice guy who recognized his luck in playing with Jordan. He also seemed very comfortable with his excellent playing legacy. Now, Scotty just looks pathetic, sad and bitter. He's ruining his legacy so many decades later. I really hope he's getting some help for his mental health cause he appears to really need it.
@@Robertedwinhouse38oh yes it is. Pippen choked big time in 1994. And he was leading the bulls almost out of the playoffs before mj came back in 1995. For the rockets he disappointed and on the blazers he was a role player.
@@robesch88 He didn't only choke. He proved that he was the most selfish of all the 90's Bulls. Him throwing a tantrum over Kukoc getting the final play, despite them winning, IS the reason why he'll always be a sidekick.
@@robesch88 And his supposed "leadership" skills were definitely lacking on those "Jailblazers" squads. Pippen gets the "good cop" label, but after Jordan got on his teammates (which is a thing called "leadership"), Pippen would routinely comfort them, sort of throwing Jordan under the bus in the process. Anyone who knows Jordan's style, is that he's the type to get on you for blowing an assignment - likely chew you out (which LeBron won't do because he's Tweeting about the team needing to make changes) - but then pat you on the ass, clap his hands (which Kobe wouldn't do), say something encouraging, then do his press conference, and not dwell on any of it because he's thinking about that golf game of his, and why dwell on anything that he confronted. And the BULLS-machine never broke down along the way. They were always on point. Pippen's an opportunist. He'd likely get around to talking to the guy (who Jordan had confronted), and let it be known that he didn't care for how Michael was talking to him, etc. Pippen always struck me as being a locker room politician; with his main equity being that he wanted to be seen as "The Good Guy" compared to Jordan. Pippen throwing Phil Jackson - of all people - under the bus, shows you everything you need to know about Pippen. Phil Jackson ALWAYS spoke highly of Pippen - probably overrating him at times (IMO) - and undercut Jordan at times to help prop up Scottie (read Charlie Rosen articles because a lot of what was written were thoughts expressed by Phil Jackson). This whole "Pippen was actually the more important defender", and "Pippen was really the leader on those teams" type of nonsense, was sent by Phil Jackson via proxy (through again, Rosen articles). Reading MANY articles throughout the '90s, I can't recall ever reading that Pippen was the main defender on those BULLS' teams. The first time I read anything suggesting that, was by Charlie Rosen. Then it took on a life of its own in the late '00s until now. Pippen was a great defensive player, no question, but for my money, I still think it's Jordan 1A on defense, to Pippen being 1B. Just like on offense, whenever you needed a clutch defensive play, I'd pick Jordan over Pippen any day of the week. Pippen's son signed with Klutch Sports. LeBron and Phil Jackson have beef, and LeBron's people work tirelessly to undercut Jordan through the media. I don't doubt that MJ's son dating Pippen's ex-wife is a big part of what's going on, but the tipping point (IMO), is that Pippen is desparate for his son to make the NBA. His son was essentially on the Lakers practice roster last year.
And to think that Jordan would constantly give Pippen his flowers, saying at ceremonies and interviews "No Pippen, No Jordan" and "You can't talk about me with mentioning Scottie," and Scottie has it in his mind to think he was the MVP. He was a fantastic teammate, but it's obvious that Jordan still carried the biggest load of the Bulls team and was the one that had to light a fire under Scottie and mold him into something great. Jordan debuted with 20+ PPG, Scottie debuted under 10. Jordan got the Bulls to the playoffs every season after their previous 3 seasons before he signed ended up short, Scottie was on pace to miss the playoffs in 95 before Jordan came back and got them to the playoffs despite needing to get back into prime basketball shape. Despite everything, Jordan always complimented Scottie. Above all else, I've lost respect for Scottie because he has no respect for others.
Ive always said this. Dwade despite being injured still gave you more offense than a healthy Scottie Pippen and even Pau Gasol. Lebron fans act like Gasol and Pip were putting up astromical numbers but in reality they were just decent
Scottie should be embarrassed because Jordan said repeatedly when asked till this day "i couldn't win 6 rings without Scottie Pippin"... Scottie forgot about that i guess ..Yall made history together that teams will never accomplish till this day
Honestly.. the only thing that man can understandably be upset about is being mad at MJ for leaving to the MLB. There are countless what ifs surrounding Mike if he never left. But even so.. like cmon man. Just take your flowers and enjoy retirement.
MJ. Don't put Kobe in the equation. Overall most people has MJ as the best player ever with the accolades to prove it, while Kobe is barely in anyone's top ten and rightfully so. Kobe had terrible efficiency as a player and was a true ballhog because he shot less than his team's FG% each year. MJ shot above his team's average every year. Kobe was a much lesser player.
The clowns know nothing, I watched Jordan bail out Pippen and the other sorry scorers on this team - practically every playoff game during that run. Scottie sucked on offense
Scottie was just a supporting actor. He only averaged more assists, rebounds, steals & blocks than MJ over their 6 playoff & Finals runs. All while guarding the other team's best player. Casual clown.
Every criticism lebron fans throw at Micheal is meaningless background noise !" Jordan never publicly declared himself the greatest ,that was lebrons foolishness !" Since micheals career is available on film for all the world to see ,makes this argument pointless !"" The only accurate thing lebron fans can get agreement on is that lebron is the best all around player they've seen in their lifetime . But us old timers have seen his equal and a player who was much better !" They dont have to agree , it's all recorded , and won't change no matter what they say !"""
@@phillyphan1346 1991 finals Jordan led 4 stats Pippen 1 1992 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 2 1993 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2 1996 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2 1997 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 3 1998 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen led 2 In 6 finals series both Jordan and Pippen led 12 stats each Now in the finals runs 1991 Jordan led 3 stats Pippen 2 1992 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 1 1993 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 1 1996 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2 1997 Jordan led 3 stats Pippen 1 1998 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 3. So in 6 championship runs for total playoffs Jordan led 12 stats Pippen led 10. So JUST STOP!
@@Sf75178 6 playoff runs & Finals: Points: 2,200 3,776 Rebs : 908 719 Stls : 244 218 Asst : 642 622 Blocks: 111 91 Games: 116 116 Pippen is on the left and MJ is on the right. What I said is 100% factual. Again, stop talking basketball you casual clown.
I've been saying this forever now, as someone who watched the bulls dynasty win their 6 championships. Jordan's "supporting cast" always gets talked about like they were all-time great. Just...no. In the entire 95-96 season when the bulls went 72-10, only 3 players on the entire roster averaged at least 10ppg. The bulls won championships off of their defense and Jordan's ability to dominate a game offensively(he had to, otherwise they wouldn't score enough points) So many of the bulls players performed worse in the postseason in terms of fg% and ppg. Players like Kukoc and Kerr were incredibly streaky shooters, both of them famously would go on these streaks of bad shooting from 3 in the playoffs when it was needed most. Ron Harper was a solid perimeter defender and hustle player, but not an offensive producer at all. Would average 5-6 shot attempts per game and score less than 10 points a game. Pippen was the only other reliable source of offense on the entire bulls roster if you're talking about creating your own shot opportunities, whether it was on the fast break, off the dribble, spot up shooting, etc. Rodman was all-time great for tip ins and scrapping for loose balls and rebounds. Longley sort of did the same, but was mainly a paint protector. Who else are we talking about? Jud Buechler? Bill Wennington? Old, unathletic role players that played bare bones minutes and wouldn't even fit on a G league roster by today's standards. This all in an era where teams RARELY scored 100 points in games, compared to today's league where teams scoring 120+ ppg is fairly commonplace... Jordan's ability to reliably produce at least 30ppg, and many times 40+, is even more impressive and puts it in a different perspective. And the Bulls needed him to take over games like that to win titles. In 1994 without him there, they didn't make it to the conference finals, they were near last in the league in terms of scoring and their offensive rating plummeted without him. The bulls won championships due to the combination of scrappy defense and Michael's scoring. And while Scottie may be mad about the whole Last Dance documentary and how it portrayed him, he doesn't get to rewrite history.
Look at what Lebron fans did to DWade, Bosh, Ky, and especially Love and now AD. I would love to see how much they would absolutely destroy and devalue Pip, Grant, and Rodman and probably Kukoc and Harp, hell every one. The narrative would still be that LeBron has to carry bums and he needs more help. If you're not superhuman levels in your backseat role for LeBron to pursue this goat title, you're a useless bum. hahaha Mike and Anthony Davis would be so unfair. AD is #4 all time behidn Bron in reg season PER. #5 just behind Bron in career playoff PER. hahaha more help! Have your rest AD, Mike will ACTUALLY, not 2k fantasy false narrative, but really actually carry the load until you get back. LeBron needed to face trash teams to be associated with carrying nobodies, and in order for that narrative to stick, they devalue so many of the greatest players of this era his teamed up with. All to stay on that narrative, and what choice do they have but to readily blame them when they ultimately lose. LeBron got all his stats, he can't be the reason. Forcing superstars to become spot up shooters so Bron can keep his stat piling play style could never be the reason why Bron has a losing record. Facing weak Leastern conference and an asterisk bubble can't be the only reasons he's won.
This was what I’ve been saying especially when talking about who had more ‘help’. It’s not even close. And in the playoffs it’s even worse. MJ carried a helluva load. Especially in 98.
@@beery6659 rpg 95-96 now MJ is better this time 6.6 Scottie 6.4 96-97 mj 5.9 Scottie 6.5 97-98 mj 5.8 Scottie 5.2 and Scottie only played 44 games that year apg 95-96 mj 4.3 Scottie 5.9 96-97 mj 4.3 Scottie 5.7 97-98 mj 3.5 Scottie with only playing 44 games 5.8 now the guy that made the video was talking about scoring that why I said their is more to basketball than scoring
@@beery6659playoffs number rpg 91 MJ 6.4 Scottie 8.9 92 MJ 6.2 Scottie 8.8 93 MJ 6.7 Scottie 6.9 apg 91 MJ 8.4 Scottie 5.8 92 mj 5.8 Scottie 6.7 93 mj 6.0 Scottie 5.6 rpg 96 mj 4.9 Scottie 8.5 97 mj 7.9 Scottie 6.8 98 mj 5.1 Scottie 7.1 apg 96 mj 4.1 Scottie 5.9 97 mj 4.8 Scottie 3.8 98 mj 3.5 Scottie 5.2 now yes in some of this Mj average more but I think Scottie was a way better player than the video was trying to make out and the numbers that I have put up proof that
It's pretty obvious that Scottie is being so Viscous towards Jordan is because of Jealousy and Betrayal . But also because of Jordan's Son dating Pippen's Ex Wife , Larsa. 🙄👀🙈🙉🙊😶🌫️🌟✨💫🐍🔥🔥😭💯🤬💀🤢💩🤡☠️🎃🤮😖🫨😵💫😵
Lebron fans always say jordan can’t win without Scottie. The man can’t even have 1 decent teammate or it will discredit all his success lol. How much all stars has Lebron teamed with again??
Why when they were side by side winning championships together didn't Scottie say all what he's saying now? And is that how he felt the whole time they were winning??? Seems kinda phony to me. Like he couldn't stand up way back then like a man and speak his mind? Smh......
Pip deserves more respect period. The dude made 8 all defensive first teams in a row and two second teams either side of those eight years. He was first team all NBA three times and made seven all NBA teams total. The dude was first team all NBA and first team all defense in the the same year three times. Only eleven players in NBA history have done that more times than Pip and they are Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, Giannis, Dwight, KG, Hakeem, David Robinson, Walt Frazier and Jerry West. So Pip was a bona fide superstar player. But he never gets the credit for it because Jordan has to receive 1000% of the credit for all of The Bulls success. He's the second best player in the history of The Bulls franchise and he has to listen to his own fans play down his ability in order to make Jordan look better. He was easily a top 5 players in the league in his absolute prime but it works better for Jordan's legacy if he was just a top 25 player.
To make jordan look better? lmfao all the credits you mentioned MJ also had that, plus 10x Scoring Title 5 MVP 6 FMVP and DPOY. Does Pip had that? Smh No one can make Jordan look better because he’s already the best. The greatest of all time. We who watched on that era knew that Pip is the #2 guy.
@@abner0584 This is a common reply. Jordan was better 😂 I never implied that Jordan was better than Pip. Jordan was the best player in the whole damn league 🤦♂️😂 But Pip was also a superstar. He was better than the majority of the first option players in the league and he was a second option on The Bulls. And the 90’s didn’t have a lot of teams that had two stars on the team. The Bulls had two superstars. Jordan was better but Pip more that carried his end of the couch for those six rings. But like I said it makes Jordan look better if he was the only star on his team so people love to play down how good Pip was. If Pippen ain’t on The Bulls there is no Bulls dynasty.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc The year Jordan left to play baseball Pip was first team all NBA, first team all defence, all star MVP and finished third in MVP. If he was a first option his entire career then he’d for sure have made more all NBA firsts teams. It’s a testament to how good he was that he was able to make it as a second option.
You're missing the point about the 95-96 bulls they were a defensive team. 23 times in that season their opponents scored 100 points. And 7 of those games were over time games.
@@zxcvb3772 Jordan didn't need that much help they had a full bench of productive players. They would routinely have all bench players in the 4th quarter and maintain a comfortable 10-point lead.
I for one would love to see them bury the hatchet and get past this. Still lots of love for Pippen even though he’s trying hard to lose it. Fond memories of this duo. All love.
This is not the present when you have the second best player avg. something in the 20's. This was the NBA where players were able to play real defense, and the end score was in the 80's and 90's....not 120's.
When you play with The Bulls in the video game, it is the Michael Jordan show - and it's the good thing he can last almost the entire game! MJ, Jordan and Rodman had to be on the floor as the others are only good for defense.
The truth is Scottie pippen was average at best and the only reason he was on top 50 greatest players is because Jordan carried him on to that list. I was there I watched their entire careers and Scottie was a good defender nothing else. Scottie couldn't even shoot free throws like 60% which is pathetic and he always shrank got worse come playoff time.
Here’s the reality: Pippen was the perfect foil for Jordan - somebody with enough skill to help, with enough mental toughness to deal with the demands he put on his teammates and somebody who could act as a go between, for Jordan and the rest of the team but there were lots of players who could have replaced Pippen in the short term on those Bulls teams. With Pippen Jordan won 6 titles, with other players replacing Pippen the Bulls still win, just not as often. Without Jordan, Pippen has no Olympic Gold, no NBA rings and the Bulls are still waiting for their first NBA title as an organization.
Pippen was the better brick layer than Westbrick. There were multiple playoff series where he shot less than 40%. Heck the whole 96 playoffs he shot less than 40, he shot 39% fg and 64% ft for the whole playoffs and not just 1 series! He shot 33% vs the Knicks in the eastern semis and that's in 5 games! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
7:35 literally a video that should have nothing to do with LeBron he still somehow some way makes it about Lebron😂 bruh he lives rent free in haters head
Only thing I disagree with is, you talked about d wade and Chris Bosh and how they produced more for Lebron than how Jordan’s teammates did. But I think that is actually credit for Lebron, because Lebron always made sure to get his teammates involved.
