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I hope you enjoy this Elden Ring lore theory about Sorceress Sellen a carian princess and Ranni sister. It's definitely more on the absurd side but it's more fun that way. More lore videos are coming please look forward to it.
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Fate in the stars
2:51 Sellen's fate
3:36 Jerren the witch hunter
6:07 Sellen and the Carians
8:04 Round-up
9:05 Outro
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@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
Hope you guys enjoy the video and consider sharing and all that jazz. The next video is coming soon and will be about the chad Radagon.
@Anublet90
@Anublet90 Год назад
Say, I'm convinced that the brick hammer's item description is alluding to Radagon but no video I've seen has ever mentioned it, don't suppose you have any thoughts on that?
@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
@@Anublet90 I actually never made that connection. It's interesting food thought. What i can add here is that i believe the echo of marika in the grand dectus lift is her addressing radagon. Him becoming a laborer would line up with "...wallowing at the fringes, a nameless upstart..."
@agm5424
@agm5424 Год назад
There's also the fact that the name Sellen is just another spelling for the name Selene the name of the greek goddess of the Moon; the same moon that serves as the symbol of power of the Carian royal family.
@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
That's really interesting, i would have never made that connection
@MythosTheSophist
@MythosTheSophist Год назад
Couldn't Sellen have been Rennala's sister instead? That would still make her a Carian princess, although a less important one and thus hardly referenced as such. If we were to assume she was Rennala's daughter we'd have to ask who the father is, because we know only of Radagon as Rennala's consort and took with him all their kids.
@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
It's definitely possible, you really have to make a leap to place her in the family. For me it went like this: Sellen is carian + there was more princesses other than ranni = i'll just place sellen there in the family tree as my best guess
@lusked6626
@lusked6626 Год назад
@@Kosmos_er Actually Sellen being Rennala's sis makes more sens to me She is not a demi god in the slightest, and Sellen as Rennala's sister, could have had children of her own that could have been princesses That a lot to digest for a character, probably no one think too much about lore wise
@aristobrat4987
@aristobrat4987 Год назад
@@Kosmos_er if Ranni had more sister they would be in the game. like stated. i made the realization that this game is very wrong in english. so for example in japanese theres a term for gender neutral monarchs. the english description of certain Nox items says NIGHT KING , but thats extremely wrong. so , people dont understand that Ranni is the Night Monarch , the Lunar Princess. so yeah. not that you did anything wrong but this theory doesnt hold up after i learned how many mistranslations there were around the entire carian familys lore. i would highly recommend checking out some japanese american reddit users to help figure things out. this is how i learned about rannies ending being translated wrong , the numens lore being wrong. they were not banished underground , those cities were and always have been there on their own free will. the word banish is no where in the japanese text , instead it was something like "dwells of". but another cool thing , miyasaki used to read alot of books he didnt fully understand. so we are kinda having his experience and i think thats really cool.
@carrotslayer4806
@carrotslayer4806 Год назад
Yeah, simply placing her in the family tree is probably the best choice instead of her being Rannis sister. I think she could be way older actually. Isn't her hate towards the Carian "Royal family" which started with Rennala who diverged from placing importance on the stars and instead focused on the moon. Her teacher was Azur, who founded the oldest conspectus (Karolos) and whos staff we find by the graven mass in Raya Lucaria. And the description of the primal glintblade talisman says that the practice of housing your soul within primal glintstone was performed by old sorcerers (but maybe they meant old as in age and not ancient/historical). Also, a random observation: Why is the tip of her stone crown missing when we first meet Sellen? The final crown we received at the end of her quest comes with a tip.
@basedgodly1623
@basedgodly1623 Год назад
I think you are forgetting that it is referenced that Marika had numerous demigod children that are unamed. It said many demi god children died on the night of the black knives not just godwyn .
@LoreHunter
@LoreHunter Год назад
Hey this is a fun video! I'm inclined to suggest that she may have been Carian, but not necessarily Rennala's daughter. It's a cool theory though and I enjoyed your explanation 👍
@billkowalsky
@billkowalsky Год назад
Extremely interesting idea. Your main piece of evidence for the theory seems to be that "Carian weed" could be taken to mean "weed of Carian origin." The original Japanese here is カーリアの禍根 (ka-ria no kakon). The word 禍根 means "root of evil" or "source of trouble." I don't really know how naturally カーリアの禍根 could be used to mean "source of evil from Caria," but it is a construction that definitely could mean "source of evil FOR Caria." And, for what it's worth, that's how I read Iji's line in English when I first played. I assumed he meant: we can eradicate a source of problems that have plagued Caria. This dovetails with Sellen's line "the toothless pedantry of the Carian royal family can rot for all I care." There's definitely some animosity there. Slightly tangential, but something I've never seen anyone discuss: I've always assumed that Sellen is from Sellia. (I think this is probably because I got teleported to Caelid early in the game and accidentally ran into Sellia and got murked by wizards. So when I ran into Sellen I was like "Oh, she must be from Sellia.") We know she has at least some familiarity with Sellia, as she gets Lusat's key from a Sellian sorcerer. All that said, Sellen is my favorite character and I love this lore proposal! Thanks!
@Despina81
@Despina81 Год назад
I came looking for this because of the towers in the three sisters area… Many joke that Seluvius is secretly a girl, but I think the ruins where his secret room is was possibly Sellen’s tower destroyed upon her exile/escape/disappearance. His tower sits just a bit off the main rise from the other two towers and the ruins. It would also make sense, where better to hide her body than the basement of what was her own tower?
@allthe1
@allthe1 Год назад
Right! I never put much thought into the ruins... So you think there would have been four towers? And four sisters?? Damn that makes the story even more complicated
@exodus9001
@exodus9001 Год назад
Never knew Iji remarked on Sellen and with those lines it definitely lends a lot of credence to this theory. Secret princess Sellen is pretty dope, she was the first spell mentor i found in my playthrough. It's great to learn cause knowledge is power
@khandimahn9687
@khandimahn9687 Год назад
Interesting theory. It certainly does make sense that Sellen is Carian royalty. But a sister to Ranni? Not so sure about that. I think sister to Rennala is more likely. Or maybe not even that closely related. But with ER, who knows?
@gedoplanet
@gedoplanet Год назад
You should’ve started with the Talisman description first cuz I was thinking this video was about to be some absurd clickbait lol
@CupofVile
@CupofVile Год назад
I would argue that, for those whose allegiance doesn't lie with the Erdtree, their fate is tied to another authority. if you're goal is to be one with the stars, then it is the stars that determine your fate, not the erdtree. You could argue that anyone who's alligence is tied to the moon and/or stars will have their fate tied to the moon and or stars. This is why if you owe allegience to Ranni and her quest, your fate is NOT to bring about a new golden age, but to usher in the age of the dark moon. In short, your ALLEGENCE binds you to your fate. Kinda profound imo
@caffeinechaos1334
@caffeinechaos1334 Год назад
Seluvis strikes me as someone who aided in Sellen's capture rather than her hiding.
@ondosan
@ondosan Год назад
i think if she was a carian princess Thops wouldve mentioned that. and when you bring her primal glintstone to her new body at seluvis' hidden chamber she states: "You've helped me fill a new body, once again." . My bet is that Seluvis helped her overtake the carian princess for trading to get the youngest carian princess for his hidden chamber. And Sellen is not killed by the Carians because she posseses the body of a carian princess. And we help Sellen posses the youngest carian princess after her old body was in danger. We never even get to see Sellens old body. None of the Sellens has her skintone and none of the Sellens has her necklace. Maybe they couldnt do it to Ranni because of her Demi-God Status but that is one thing Seluvis is going for too...three sisters.
@FreedomIII
@FreedomIII Месяц назад
For the Thops point, he does say that there might as well have been an ocean between them. I always thought this meant in ability and standing within the academy, but if there were also a commoner/royal difference netween them, that would add further to the ocean separating them.
@scottsyrup2750
@scottsyrup2750 Год назад
I like it, I was always curious about a closer connection between Sellen and Sellia the town of Sorcery, the Legendary sorcerer that was trapped nearby, the type of night (?) magic that originates there, and the underground map directly below it. edit: just read a comment on who her father could be if she's Ranni's sister, what if shes Rennala's sister?
@parceustheawesome1298
@parceustheawesome1298 Год назад
I really enjoyed your video, even if I personally don't think Sellen and Ranni are sisters, you made a good argument and brought things I wouldn't thought. Thank you.
@bobjim245
@bobjim245 Год назад
Absolutely astonished you don't have like 150k more subs 😂 channels quality is on point
@lucamorello_guardiansoul
@lucamorello_guardiansoul Год назад
Ngl, i think with this theory we are getting closer to the truth, especially if we consider a possibility that Sellen is carian, and that the three sisters tower have been renamed. With this in mind i too consider that Sellen is one of the three sisters, however i think that those sister aren't referring to the generation of Ranni (as she was the first female heir, so she should be older than Sellen, and i don't think this is the case) , but more to the one of Rennala. Because if we consider that, Ranni might have inherited her tower from her mother, Sellen tower might have been substituted to the one of Selivus, and Renna the snow witch (Ranni's teacher) might instead be Ranni's Aunt and Rennala's sister, which would make even more sense, at least to me.
@gingervald8601
@gingervald8601 Год назад
Say your talk with Crunchy on his channel and had to check you out. Honestly a fantastic theory, maybe a stretch but I can't think of anything anything in game that says it certainly not the case. I'm with Mythos on that it's a lot more likely that Sellen is Rennalla's sister, and an estranged and deranged aunt to Ranni rather than being her sister. Sellen being of Rennalla's generation, but being oppositional to making Caria royalty (distracts from important stuff, like turning people into glinstone) adds a lot of weight behind the disdain she has towards the "Royal family". It also matches well with her having the clout to just show up and take the academy away from Rennalla. Yeah it's kinda writing fanfic, but I think I like how the story reads this way,
@noalontheeternalwitch
@noalontheeternalwitch Год назад
I do not think that Sellen is Rannis sister. Bcs she would be a demigod. So I think that she was a aunt, cousin or something like that from Rennalas family. On the original Sellen painting in Debate parlour, the woman depicted there is very simmiliar to Rennala ( face and hair) so maybe rennalas sister or relative.
@tariqlimouni9642
@tariqlimouni9642 Год назад
An interesting theory... keep it up Kosmos
@robertsoto5713
@robertsoto5713 11 месяцев назад
Finally I’ve been saying sellen is rannis sister. Awesome work
@swamashijudbedolofritt4448
@swamashijudbedolofritt4448 Год назад
I enjoy your content. Hope to see more
@goat.as.azazel
@goat.as.azazel Год назад
cant wait for your next video!
@steamedhamlet
@steamedhamlet 4 месяца назад
As a Carian princess Sellen's fate is tied with the stars and therefore she can't be killed until Radhan is killed, which seems to provide a bonus incentive for Jerren to hold the festival. All princesses have rises in the lands between and I think the Heretical rise is Sellen's. It's close to Castle Sol and a wandering Moseleum that does the same attach as those graven schools (the sorcerer heads ball that Sellen turns in to). So the soulless demigod in that moseleum is some kind of a primieval current enjoyer or perhaps a demigod stepchild of Caria descent. Miquella has ties to castle sol. And he/she/they are able to traverse in to the dream world and maybe even the spirit world as death and sleep are closely associated with each other in esoteric knowledge. I wouldnt be surprised if Miquella was in cahoots with the Carian family after the golden order disillusioned him. Anyways sorry for the tangent! Everythi g could be related tho! As for Sellen, she is also known as the graven witch. I believe those balls of sorcerer heads are entirely her thing. Sellen sounds similar to Sellia and I wonder if she mixed the sorcerer heads with one of those mimic tear balls to create seeds of stars. Miquella might just be someone who explored every single aspect of power in the lands between. His lore would be better understood with somw knowledge of alchemy (sol niger), hermeticism and other occult and esoteric mystery school ideas.
@perseus3115
@perseus3115 Год назад
Honestly awesome, Sellen is my favorite side character by far and i never realized she was a Carian, tbh my guess would be is that the Carians are more along the lines a clan of sorts with perhaps many lines within it, even those who are not heirs in some royal families are princesses. It would be amazing if we got more info on Sellen or even more content with her in the future as the whole "seeds of the stars" leaves some room for more.
@allthe1
@allthe1 Год назад
Makes sense! If Radahn enabled Sellen's immortality, could Sellia be the link between Radahn and Sellen, both standing against Ranni's claim to the Carian crown? Ranni and Rykard against the greater will, Radahn and Sellen defending the Golden Order (which legitimized sorceries) and Radagon's will.
@positivecontacts
@positivecontacts 4 месяца назад
What is Seluvis helped Sellen disguise a third sister as Sellen, then the Carians had Jerren assassinate the third instead. Sellen’s payment to Seluvis could have been Sellen’s Rise. The child that Rennala is trying to rebirth could have been the misidentified and murdered third Princess?
@sumofalln00bs10
@sumofalln00bs10 Год назад
compelling, very good video
@caffeinechaos1334
@caffeinechaos1334 Год назад
I fully subscribe to this theory. Thank you.
@zadig08
@zadig08 Год назад
This is so awesome.
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 Год назад
had no idea
@Apexx27
@Apexx27 Год назад
Has anyone considered that Sellia might be named after Sellen?
@caffeinechaos1334
@caffeinechaos1334 Год назад
I did 3 full playthroughs and I never saw that Iji dialogue about Sellen... geez
@dizzythefish8012
@dizzythefish8012 Год назад
Sellen can't be Rennala's daughter, since that'd make her a demigod related to Marika/Radagon. She is Carian and most definitely a princess but not Ranni's sister. She also lacks the traditional naming system present in every demigod's name.
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo Год назад
Rennala' sister
@justmustard56
@justmustard56 Год назад
Maybe her real name is Renna
@pbtenchi
@pbtenchi Год назад
There is some lore about 3 sisters. With this we know 2.
@Deadly_Blowfish
@Deadly_Blowfish Год назад
This is an unique and we'll justified video. Subscribed!
@trevorsamuels8392
@trevorsamuels8392 Год назад
Or Sellen is Renna, the person that inspired rani to be an ice witch.
@ravencarino6115
@ravencarino6115 Год назад
Then she's a demigod? A daughter of Rennala and Radagon? Crazy theory but... Not impossible.
@lovesiriusblack
@lovesiriusblack Год назад
their head sizes are very non similar but otherwise interesting theory! I hope for more lore so I subscribed!
@adamblue2980
@adamblue2980 Год назад
Interesting theory!
@Hyacynthesis
@Hyacynthesis Год назад
Maybe Sellen was once the third tower's sister Renna. Still not convinced that's the frost witches name
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo Год назад
Selen is Rennala's sister. This is no secret. There are three towers north of Raya Lucaria called the "three sisters": 1. Renna's rise is the highest. Renna (The snow witch) is the eldest sister, and has the highest tower. 2. Rennala is the second sister and has the middle tower. but she became queen and left it for Ranni. 3. Selen is the third sister and has the third lowest tower. Selen is a fake name. After she was convicted, she gave her tower to her classmate Selivus in return for a favor: a doll body that could hide her. She named that doll body Selen after Selivus. We know this because: 1. The four main characters are named after George R. R. Martin. Namely: Godfrey, Radagon, Renala, Marika. 2. Renna starts with an R, just like Rennala. Even Ranni starts with an R. 3. Iji and item descriptions go to long length not to say her name. We don't know her real name. Iji does.
@emptyptr9401
@emptyptr9401 Год назад
While I see where you are coming from, I don't think this is enough evidence to the point where we can call it "no secret". Claiming that Rannis tower used to be Rennalas and that Seluvis's Rise used to belong to Sellen is onyl based on one just being the mother of the other for the former, and them just knowing each other in the latter case (Although admittedly, Sellens new body in the basement is also an indicator, there could also be other reason for that). So while the theory is very elegant, it does require some leaps in logic and assumptions and is not fool-proof imo. I still like it, I just wouldn't consider it confirmed in any way, unless I'm missing smt... And do we know that Renna is a sister of Rennala? It would make sense name-wise, but aside from that? (Again, I think it could make a lot of sense, but something making sense and being confirmed are two different things ofc)
@patrickg610
@patrickg610 Год назад
I think Renna is just a short form of Rennala
@gwenori7656
@gwenori7656 Год назад
Sounds like a solid Theory. I wonder if they had any more sisters?
@andremerrick4925
@andremerrick4925 Год назад
I’m gonna say no because of genetics, and the way the Carians name their children. If you look at Sellen she has absolutely zero features in common with Radagan, and very few with Renala. Radhan, Melenia, and Ranni (with her original body) all share some kind of feature with Radagan, their tall sizes and their red hair. Sellen shares none of them and Renala is (as far as we know) confirmed to only have had children with Radagan. Then there’s the name thing, all of Renala and Radagan’s children (that they had together) all have names starting with Rs. It could be a Carian tradition similar to how the Carians give their consorts a sword upon their marriage but even if that’s not the case I’d question it because it feels strange Sellen would be the only odd one out. And lastly I find it extremely hard to believe that something as important as this theory would be to the lore would never be explicitly said like Ranni being called the lunar princess, or being said to be Renala’s daughter multiple times.
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo Год назад
Selen is Rennala's sister. This is no secret. There are three towers north of Raya Lucaria called the "three sisters": 1. Renna's rise is the highest. Renna (The snow witch) is the eldest sister, and has the highest tower. 2. Rennala is the second sister and has the middle tower. but she became queen and left it for Ranni. 3. Selen is the third sister and has the third lowest tower. Selen is a fake name. After she was convicted, she gave her tower to her classmate Selivus in return for a favor: a doll body that could hide her. She named that doll body Selen after Selivus. We know this because: 1. The four main characters are named after George R. R. Martin. Namely: Godfrey, Radagon, Renala, Marika. 2. Renna starts with an R, just like Rennala. Even Ranni starts with an R. 3. Iji and item descriptions go to long length not to say her name. We don't know her real name. Iji does.
@MidnightatMidian
@MidnightatMidian Год назад
It would make sense. The 3 towers for the Carian princesses were Seluvi's Rise, Renna's Rise and Ranni's Rise. I'll guess Sellen had to give her tower in exchange for his ''services'' for escaping and hiding her identity. That's certainly why she does not seems to like him. I'll guess the original name for Seluvis rise was Sellen's rise.
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo Год назад
It wasn't called Sellen's rise. Selen is a fake name. She changed her name before escaping. Iji knew her real name but didn't tell us. It probably started with an R.
@MidnightatMidian
@MidnightatMidian Год назад
@@armandaneshjoo Well anyway ''Sellen'' is a joke name for ''Selene'' the name of the goddess of the moon. So I'll guess this gives us a clear indication of her connections with Ranni and Renna.
@kingnro1
@kingnro1 Год назад
Damn, I've no idea how I missed all this on my own playthroughs. It almost definitely seems that she is Carian. She could also be Rennala's sister...If she's Rennala's daughter, she's older than Ranni, Radagon and Rykard, and we don't know who her father is.
@Aleph-Noll
@Aleph-Noll Год назад
it would make more sense if she was a sister of rennala
@kenanperez3151
@kenanperez3151 Год назад
But isn't the Elden Beast aka the Elden Ring a star too as described by Elden Stars?
@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
you know, that's actually a really good point
@kenanperez3151
@kenanperez3151 Год назад
@@Kosmos_er I think that fate within the stars is not exclusive to the Carian Royals. When the movement of the stars was fettered by the golden order (Telescope), fate for everyone in the lands between halted and the Greater Will took on that mantle. It kinda works like in Sandman by Neil Gaiman if you're familiar with that. In the first part of the story, Morpheus, aka dream itself, was imprisoned by occultists. Since Morpheus, being dream itself, was imprisoned, no one was able to dream for a short period of time. But the universe made up to this by assigning the role of "dream giver" to other beings. I think this is also what happened with the stars and the greater will. The Stars are the primary wielder of everyone's fate, but the greater will halted their movement and took on the mantle of fate giver to the people in the lands between.
@houseatreides7331
@houseatreides7331 Год назад
The filigree crest really puts a bow on this, I'm solidly convinced.
@FaeQueenCory
@FaeQueenCory 9 месяцев назад
I'm not sure I buy the direct lineage position. Namely because of her name not being a Ra-. However, through marriage? Definitely.
@steamedhamlet
@steamedhamlet Год назад
Sellen's kind of a dick to her mom then it seems. Maybe she had more love for her new family with Radagon and that made Sellen jealous.
@GaleHarquebus
@GaleHarquebus Год назад
That sounded like a big jump into conclusion. The video mostly explains Sellens ties to the Carians, but it is only as far being part of the Academy, but being part of Raya Lucaria doesn’t mean you are part of of the Carian Royal Family. Plus, Jerren is loyal to the Carian Royal Family, so it makes sense he has no qualms against Sellen and it can’t be coz of her being a graven witch, like he has no comment even about Rykard.
@darkhobo
@darkhobo Год назад
Nah man. Sellen isn't related to the Carians. Now dont get me wrong... There was a Carian Princess, probably at Castle Sol, likely named Renna. Probably Rennalas sister. But possibly also Ranni's sister... But it wasn't Sellen. What is for sure is Rennala had family before she had children with Radagon as even the earliest item descriptions refer to the Carians as the "Carian Royal Family" but we know Rennala was the founder of the house. First off... They look nothing alike. And secondly Sellen is being hunted by the Carian Royal Family. Jeeren serves the Carians. He serves both Redhan and Ranni at different points. So his loyalty is to the House. Not to any individual. Him hunting Sellen proves that she isn't part of the house. And finally, the Carians dont wear Glintstone crowns. Sellen does. Sellen cant die because her soul is locked in the primordial Glintstone not because she is a Carian. We know that Carians can die. Ranni is dead. That's kinda her whole thing. (Rennala is too but thats besides the point)
@entombedentity7059
@entombedentity7059 Год назад
"To keep this video short" is a shit excuse imo. Just tell me everything there is to know, separate the video into parts or at least make extended editions of your videos. I hate this trend among lore tubers. Why should I lend you any believability if you withhold info. Even if it's menial, if it adds to your point/theory/topic it should be included.
@Kosmos_er
@Kosmos_er Год назад
The part where I said that is gonna be the subject of a whole video...
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