Unveiling The Gloam Eyed Queen | Elden Ring Lore 

I do like the idea of the gloam eyed queen going mad with ambition and attempting to make her age eternal by killing off any gods or empyreans that could stand against her. It lines up really well with why she would make the godskins

This is fantastic. Kudos.

A hint that I discovered that may also indicate that the Gloam-eyed Queen is alive, is from the "Godskin Swaddling Cloth" talisman. The description of the talisman reads: "The Gloam-Eyed Queen cradles newborn apostles swaddled in this cloth. Soon they will grow to become the death of the gods." The verb "Cradles" is used in the present tense. I believe that if the GEQ was dead or somehow inactive than the aforementioned practice would have been described with "Cradled" instead. Item description that contains information about dead characters are all in past tense, at least those I skimmed through. The video was great btw! Even if some of it ends up being wrong, I still really enjoyed it.

Something im suprised you haent mentioned is that Malikeths armor looks like a crow, which supports the idea that he might be responsible for the seal in Melina's eye. Which explains why the eye only activates after you have killed maliketh in the Lord of Frenzy ending.

This is an excellent theory and explains why there is so little information available about Marika's 'greatest victory': Marika 'the eternal' does not want people to know that there was a time before her, so all information on the GEQ, the previous god, was erased. If instead, the GEQ-Marika conflict had Marika on the defensive, her victory would have been lauded as equal among the feats of Godrick's conquest. Linking the twinbird and deathbirds to the GEQ also explains why there is little information on them, and raises some interesting topics. The Helphen Steeple mentions 'a lamplight similar to grace'. Was it the GEQ's equivalent of grace, a means to recycle warriors similar to how Marika's grace resurrects the tarnished?

This idea does make alot of sense, espcially in light of the previous videa that gives a compelling interpretation of Mleina's eye that isn't "she s the GEQ". If farum azula and the GEQ are tied together, it would imply the dragons sided with the GEQ, perhaps this explains the ancient dragon's attacking lleyndel.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense, not gonna lie. If we somehow don't get new information on these topics in the DLC, this is probably going to be the theory that I subscribe to when it comes to the GEQ. That said, I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't, since the spirit world idea seems more important than most initially assumed.

OH MY GOD. Idk if anyone noticed this but Ranni gives you the calling bell plus a summon of 3 wolves.. in Farum Azula, probably the place of rule for the Gloam eyed queen has tons of statues of a small child/woman with three wolves, anyone looked into this?

This actually fits with some theorizes I've been toiling over. Taking everything you said into account with my own thoughts on the previous age, I currently think the Gloom-Eyed Queen's body is likely the Fingerslayer Blade. Based on our own experience in game, when the vessel is threatened the Elden Beast emerges and wields a sacred weapon forged from the vessel. We see this when we fight Radagon/Marika. I agree Farum Azula was overthrown with a hostile attack from Leyndell. When they got to the Gloam-Eyed Queen, some place away from Farum Azula, this "final boss sequence" played out. The Elden Beast was defeated, its sacred blade shattered in the struggle, its body still scarred on its belly. This wounding moment was also likely the moment Destined Death was removed.

This is a really interesting concept kosmos, I had never thought to pair the Gloam eyed queen with the dragons. And your right, nobody ever acknowledges the period between Placidusaxs rule and Godfreys. Another thing I would point out is that if anyone had any skepticism regarding the theory of Placidusax being the king consort, they have to remember 2 things. The 1st thing being that there are always certain themes and concepts that Fromsoftware like to keep repeating with their games, there are particularly a lot of similarities between the dark souls games and Elden ring. Think about Quella and Miquella, Sif and Fortissax, Maidens as a concept, the list goes on, and to me, the dragon-person relationship between Placidusax and the Gloam-eyed queen reminds me a lot of Seath and Gwyndoline. The second thing I would add is that, maybe their relationship wasn’t as dragon and person but person and person, as we know, Lansseax possesses the ability to take human form, we know this from Vykes armour I think. But what if the union between Placidusax in human form and the Gloam-Eyed queen resulted in numerous Demi-gods, such Demi-gods could have been the either the bodies in the walking mausoleums or the targets of the god hunt for whatever reason. Or maybe they are potential dlc characters/bosses. Or maybe they just didn’t exist at all. I don’t know, but an interesting idea nonetheless.

Great video. This doesn’t even seem like speculation. It seems as if some of the puzzle has been pieced together perfectly.

I love your videos, very interesting and compelling theories and often not following the popular current theories, you are willing to find what makes sense to you, love it :)

Interesting how now with the DLC; Messmer has Godskin anotomical features. Regardless of who is who, I really hope to learn more about Melina.

Great video! I love theories like that, that diverge from the mainstream without being exceptionally flawed or forced. May the blessing of the Fingers guide thee, tarnished!

Finally a coherent gloam eyed queen theory!

FINALLY! This has always made the most sense to me. Especially Placidusax being her consort. Thanks for connecting all the dots. Melina is still a wild card though. I definitely think shes related in some way. Could she be the daughter of both? Gender or sex wouldnt be an issue.

One thing about Maliketh Maria's shadow. When we fought Maliketh and he activates the rune of death, the title that game gives him is MALIKETH SLAYER OF DEMIGODS. That raises the question, who are those Demigods that Malik2 slained to bare his title? Well Godskins in my point of view was the Gloam Eyed Queen's DEMIGODS LINEAGE and those are slained by Maliketh we must keep in mind to that also when we talk about Maliketh, because he was not only a tool to suppress the death rune alone, do 5 forget that

Great video! Just wanted to point out that Rennala is also a queen but not a god. GEQ could have just been an empyrean in the running for godhood against Marika. I like the theory that she was/is a great serpent. The godskins have ties to the volcano manor, serpentine features and an unusual birthing process like the man serpents. There is an ancient rivalry of snek vs Erdtree that could be inspired by GEQ's clash with Marika.

I think that the Gloam Eyed Queen served a different Outer God than the Greater Will because of the Deathbird description mentioning they serve one i.e the God of Death. So Marika's uprising was quite literally the Greater Will removing the God of Death from the lands between and excerting their own control. The Elden Beast was certainly the meteor that took out Faram Azula so the Greater Will could literally transplant itself into the Elden Ring to control the world. As we know Marika is refered to being the vessel for both the Elden Ring and the Greater Will itself and with Marika's shattering of the Elden Ring the Greater Will imprisions Marika because if they disposed of her they would be disposing if themselves and their control of the lands between.

This video is a bit different so hopefully you guys like it, as usual feedback is very much appreciated. Enjoy! Ps: memo received about the music volume, i'll be sure to have it lower next time and have something calmer.

Yes... YES!!! Finally I see this idea adressed! I truly believe the Gloam Eyed Queen to be the godess of the ancient time of beasts in Farum Azula, consorted by Placidusax! Some indicators I would like to add are that the power of the Godskins is nowhere stronger than in the temple of Farum Azula - and that the GEQ is not only named a queen but she and Marika are the only beings actually called "Queen" in the entire game, therefore I find it plausible to see them adressed on the same standing, hierchically speaking. Meaning, both probably were godesses. Also, her Godslayer Greatsword has the same helixlike structure as the Sacred Relic Sword - with its opening helix probably some kind of inverse to the weapon made from Marikas/Radagons body (with a weird connection to the Sword of Milos and the Fingerslayer Blade, but I digress). However, I believe the GEQ to be a god first and an Empyrean (again) thereafter - being fled from Farum Azula and abandoning her consort after a natural calamity, not a war with Marika. There probably was an epoch of the Eternal Cities, from which the Erdtree Religion arose, as stated by Tarnished Archaeologist, and by which Marika came to power and renown - quite a while after Farum Azulas Fall. And later there was a time of a first burning of the Erdtree, which I believe to be the culmination of the Godskin Apostacy and the Ending of the Age of Plenty. Therefore I believe (in broad strokes, there is not much time for details^^) that the GEQ fell into exile and hid in the Spiritcaller Cave in the Mountaintops (she might have been a Spiritcaller herself and Torrents former Master, anyway that could explain the stron presence of Godskins in said cave). There, she plotted her return, birthing an army of Godskins, which soon should become the death of the Gods. In the Godskin Apostacy, when Marika ruled, I believe her to have led her forces (probably in alliance with the pagans from Mt. Gelmir and Eiglays Ancestor) against the Erdtree and burning the Tree with her Black Flames, not unlike Melina does later. Here I believe, Maliketh battled her, defeated her and stole one eye of hers and also sealed her Rune of Death within himself (not his sword though, yet). But the Erdtree as a physical tree was destroyed and become more an object of faith - after he spread the Minor Erdtree Seeds over the Lands Between. Next, I see the connection of the GEQ with Melina as follows: The GEQ after her defeat was not dead, but imprisoned by Marika. And after Marikas trespass - the Shattering of the Elden Ring - when she was crucified within the Erdtree, she used whatever was left of the GEQ - burned and bodiless - to birth a new servant at the foot of the Erdtree. A new living being, but based on the remains of the God before her - a sibling to the twins Marika had with Radagon while conjoined to one God, and therefore earning her own, Smoldering Butterflies. Melina would only awaken more of the GEQ when confronted with the Age of Frenzy - and the death of her old steed, Torrent. But in all other cases she would know how to burn the Erdtree - since the GEQ did the same before. And she would know where to bring us just after that - to Farum Azula, the GEQs former palace of reign. There are so many more details I could elaborate on. Once you follow that premise of who the GEQ might have been, quite a lot of seemingly random details fall into place of a grand, comprehensive storyline. However, obviously I could overthink and analyse the heck out of that. So far, it's my favourite, personal theory, though and I love the fact that you adressed parts of that :) If you made it up to here - thank you so much :D I just had to share this. Maybe it is of help ;)

This video makes a compelling case, great work! I would present a couple counter-arguments: first, the creation of the Golden Order is described as the removal of the Rune of Death, correct? I don't think that rune's removal and its sealing necessarily have to represent the same event. The Golden Order could've been established by removing the rune, and the GEQ could'be still gone on to wield its power in the age of the Erdtree - the same way we can utilize the Great Runes for our gain. And then at some point, Marika directed her shadow Maliketh to defeat the Queen and seal away Destined Death for good. Second, if the GEQ was the god of Farum Azula, why do we find no trace of the Godskins there? If that's where they were based, surely there would be something for us to find. All in all, it seems the most plausible to me that the GEQ was a rival empyrean, a competitor to Marika's Golden Order. That is why she wanted to hunt the gods, and why she had to be defeated. It makes sense for there to have been different candidates for godhood, the same way we have the three empyreans during the events of the game. Melina being a reincarnation of the GEQ also sounds sensible to me - after her death by burning, she was resurrected as a new person by Marika - perhaps she was among the first to be reincarnated under the Golden Order and its new logic of immortal essence, but that's purely my speculation.

I’m just glad someone else appreciates the DOS2 soundtrack 🙏

This also makes so much sense of why they went to fight the giants. Just as we need to go to the Flame she did as well as to have no challenge to that order. The only crux in all of this was Godweyn’s death. How could the order be perfect and allow the death of Marika’s favorite son?

Cool ideas ! I have been surfing a similar strain of thoughts. I would only mention Stormveil Castle in the equation. Since I finished the game, I have found the parallels to the two places quite intriguing. Stormveil feels a mundane copy of a once great locale. It is rich with shallow honorifics to godfrey campaign, features eagles and lions but crassly modified with metal weaponery. The exiled knight are roaming. Hell, the place is intoxicated by Godwyn's presence, while shows sign of past death ritual in the very same vignette. Intriguingly, I retro-actively assumed that the intentional mere parallels of Stormveil's architect (Godrick ?) reveales on Farum Azula state before it got hit. A fortress found by the sea. And given Caelid rich draconic influence, the singular, godskin inhabited divine tower, the deathbirds, I let you guess where I'll put Farum Azula on the map. Defeating Radhan there and as a meteor strike Limbgrave to give us a path toward the ternal cities and Ranni's Age of Star, well, I can't help but NOT miss the irony at play. ( And what about killing Ranni's shadow in our path...) Although, even if I buy the ruler of Farum, Placidusax as consort and such I'm still not sure on Gloam-eyed queen characater. I found some of the propositions for her to be Marika's children to be interesting (it would be a nice parallel, GEQ/Godwyn and Malenia/Miquella, an empyrean contaminated by the influence of an outer god, another proposed as the prodigious child, owning the prospect of a new age stole from everyone by the intervention of ambitious relative. Plus, GEQ would have reason to dispise Marika if all she was entailed to was guarding Destined Death for its brother succes. Who's talking the perfect set up for a dlc ?) Anyway, absolutly adore what's going on with Farum Azula and found quite the excitement with your video ! (Did I mention the badlands, Godfrey barbaric legacy and such !)

This was excellent and I had not noticed the connection to that tomb.

thank you for this video and also i appreciate having the soundtrack of one of my other favorite games dos2!

I really loved it! Great video! Subscribed!

I was just telling my friend this morning that what if the gloam eyed queen was the god before marika.

All of this sounds very convincing. I wasn't sure about the idea that the Erdtree cannot exist in a world with Destined Death, yet after giving a lot of thought I think I've turned around on my previous idea *completely.* At the site of the First Curch, the echoes of Marika speaks of an "age of life." If the Gloam-Eyed Queen was the god of Placidusax and the dragons whilst also the inner god of death, it stands to reason that their society and culture was largely centred around death. An "Age of Death," if you will. Just look at their home of Farum Azula: it would then stand to reason that the opposition of this system would be just that; opposite, and that an "age of life" is then synonymous with an "age without death." After all, despite the Destined Death culture of the dragons, there was no shortage of life; in fact, it was a time of *chaotic* life through the crucible which birthed demi-humans and omen. All of this paints a very clear picture to me. The Golden Order opposes death in all forms. Those that live in death, the demi-humans whose traits were once revered as sacred in the "Age of Death" but are now shunned in the age of the Golden Order, seen as primitive and undesirable and the omen, a blatant reminder of the fundamental flaw in Marika's ideology. Even Erdtree burials, despite what I once thought it meant, does not necessitate death! In fact, we have hints of the opposite! The Golden Order facilitates rebirth instead, something that is hinted at through Radagon's parting gift to Rennala, the Sacred Amber, as well as her shard fragment being that of perfect rebirth. The Golden Order's judgement of those that do not fit in, as is evident by Miquella's Haligtree, truly speaks to Marika's distain towards anything that came before and all that was associated with the Age of Death. *This* is the flaw that the noble Goldmask discovers. Despite it all, a god is still a human ascended. They are not perfect. They carry with them their rash and emotional rationale such as the Gloam-Eyed Queens god hunt or Marika's ethnic prosecutions. Finally, when we see Marika in this light... it isn't hard to imagine how the death of her firstborn prodigy, at the hands of the very thing she waged wars to eradicate, affected her.. and so, the fallen leaves tell a story. The great Elden Ring was shattered.

God tier as usual. Can't wait for more

This makes a LOT of sense, and considering its said the god of the dragonlord has fled, if it is her, its time to return to the lands between, with Marika and her order either crumbling or completely gone. You mentioned how her servants were those entities associated with death... in the promo image, the erdtree seems to be swallowed by deathroot, which could mean either her or Godwyn or both... ohhh this is even better than I was expecting before, I can't wait till 2024 goddamn...

Yeah. That's pretty cool idea. I like it. Maybe it would be justice that once the gloam eyed queen was killed, her body was absorbed by the Erd Tree. This allowed Marika to create a blank copy of her that would follow orders (Melina). Or maybe just give her enough memory to execute Marika's will. Once you side with the Frenzy god and burn the Erd Tree, Marika's last ditch effort to save her age is to unseal the rune of death, granting Melina those powers to hunt you down.

Thanks for the video and theory, I think the longer format was great and all the shots and editing. I like the theory and think it’s plausible. I’ve always found the information about Placidusax waiting for the return of his god quite ominous and interesting that the GEQ isn’t stated to be dead, despite being defeated, works well with that statement. For me the potential issue surrounds the Godskins and how little they feature into this theory. It’s from them that we get the most information about the GEQ and they seem so important to understanding her. However, there is nothing that links dragons and apostles. Yes there is the duo in Faram Azula, but nothing about that fight makes them fit there more than they fit at Volcano Manor for example. It says they have inhuman physiology, but not dragon I wouldn’t say. There’s no Godskin iconography at Farum, and nothing about skinning seems to connect to dragons. So for me, to buy into the theory a bit more I’d need to think more about how the apostles and their mission to skin gods(!) would relate to an age of dragons. But nonetheless I loved the video and all the stuff you put out.

I do love this idea. But what of the Black Flame Monks? Their abandonment suggest that the time of the GEQ was after the war against the giants, when Marika was already Queen and God.

"the realm of divinity" then dos2 music starts playing

Very interesting video, I do think you're on to something, as for the gloam eyed queens identity, although I really do think to solidfy that malenia is a part of that due to the frenzy ending. Also there's the issue with the storm lord, which I guess is Mr hyrda dragon. I only take issue with the timeline as where does the age of the cruible fit into this? I think tarnished archeologist provides some better description of events. Also the war with the dragons seemed pretty early on as Godwin had to befriend them and the tree knight sentinels became monstrosities. And why would they forgive the erd tree over Godwin? On top of all of this they use gold as a source of power. This would link the banished knights to the gloam eyed queen. But they also use dragon communion spells.

Marika with the wolves statue in Farum Azula is a mirror to Capitoline (She wolf) with the R Twins statues in Rome. Think about it.

Very cool video, thank you! The twilight queen is one of the titles of Hel, daughter of Loki and nordic goddess of death and underworld. Maybe the gloam is a reference to that. If true, Hel’s story may help understand Gloam Eyed Queen’s mystery. 😅

Awesome video. 8:35 we also know that humans were entwined with Farum Azula society because of the Draconian race we find in the character creation menu

Do you think there is any connection between the gloam eyed queen and the giants one eyed fell god? Flame colors don’t match, but the one eye thing could be a clue

As the Shadow of the Elden Tree DLC approaches, I'm staking my bet on the Gloam-Eyed Queen's identity. She is Marika's older sister and Melenia's mother. The GEQ is like Marika, a former god who fell from the Greater Will's grace and like Marika is imprisoned in the Elden Tree...except it's the Elden Tree within the Shadowlands, not Marika's. Thus that allows Melenia's statement about her being born within the Elden Tree and given a task by her mother correct, except the task her mother the GEQ gives Melenia is destroy Marika's Elden Tree out of revenge. But what about Ranni's similarities? If Marika and the GEQ were sisters, that means they shared a mother that likely gave the gloam eye to the GEQ. Thus Ranni's possession of similar traits is from inheritance from her grandmother.

Thanks for the video! That was interesting. I can accept the GEQ to be the god of the previous age and Placidusax her consort, it makes a solid picture. But I have some qualms about the involvement of the Greater Will. The way the story is presented it seems the previous age was when several outer gods all had stakes in the lands between (the fell god, the god of rot, the stars, etc). However, the depictions in Farum would make it clear that the one with the biggest influence was the Twin Bird with the death birds as it's emissaries. There is no hint of the two fingers or the Greater Will being present back then. Since the elden beast arrived with a meteor, that should have been the one to destroy Farum Azula and introducing the Greater Will in the lands between. I assume that the Erdtree was brought by the meteor as well, infesting the much older great tree whose root network still spans the entire lands between. The depiction of the elden ring in Farum Azula makes me think the elden ring was embedded in the great tree's roots and the Erdtree was the way to take control of it.

I love how " black flame" is constantly regarded as super powered, god level attack. Fairytail has god slayer flame Ds1, ds3 and Er have it. Slime isekai has it Bloodborne with accursed skull. Bleach with black ceros Naruto aswell Mabye more from anime / games i havent Seen yet.

Gloam Eyed Queen = Marika, that's why Maliketh is guarding her the little girl statue in Maliketh arena is Marika with her red wolf of Radagon Marika wields black flames

There can be more than 1 empyrean at the same time similiar to ranni, miquella and malenia. I think GEQ was an empyrean similiar to Marika during the same age and both were chosen similiar to how ranni, miquella and malenia were chosen during the same age or period. The only difference being Marika became the god and GEQ didn't. I dont think GEQ was a god of the previous age but an empyrean that was contemporary to the time when marika also was an empyrean.

I think you're right about most of this, but I still have the suspicion that it was the GEQ who destroyed Farum Azula, and ruled without an Elden Lord until Marika, Godfrey, and Maliketh defeated her. The reasoning for this is that there's no clear place where the Rune of Death fits into the Elden Ring in Farum Azula, suggesting it might be some kind of interloper, as it's treated very differently than every other kind of Rune. Then there's the fact that the GEQ's most lasting impact was her creation of the Godskins, some kind of artificial lifeform which she then swaddled and eventually clothed in the skins of gods. Who could these gods have been but the humanoid denizens of Farum Azula? The otherworldly ancestors of the Numen. The GEQ explicitly created the Godskins to overthrow an entire pantheon, so to speak, and with the exception of at least Marika, it would appear she had succeeded, which suggests she was in some part an outsider. In ASOIAF, the Targaryan royal family of dragon riders at one point have to deal with a series of uprisings lead by a line of Targaryan bastards vying for the throne, using their inheritance of the ancestral sword Blackfyre as proof of their claim. These uprisings were called the Blackfyre Rebellions. Their emblem is a 3-headed black dragon breathing black fire on a red background as well, and Targaryans as a whole are known for their violet eyes. It's by no means an air-tight theory, but the idea that there was a sort of "Long Night" period of time between Placidusax's reign, and the Golden Order being founded. Perhaps the Rune of Death being sealed triggered a slow reawakening of the Ancient Dragons from their stone forms, which lead to Godfrey and the Crucible Knights wrecking the place even further?

What music are you using? I love it.

What is the music playing during the first 5 minutes??? Its so good, pls I need to know

The greater will is probably the dude impaled with the rune in the trailer.He has something to do with it all.

what is the name of the background music in this video? Spesifically the chores played during the Godhood & the Elden Ring part at 1:00

Eyes. It's always eyes, the gloam eye, the rune of death sealed in the eye that carried it, Melina's gloam eye, the gloam eyed (plural) queen, the eyes of shibari, Shibari referencing river blindness, the runes being eyes- Eyes on the inside- wait wrong game.

I feel we just know too little about Elden Ring lore to speculate about characters's relations to each other: the current situation just feel like the old "Havel's friend" conundrum, where the community speculated wildly about his identity but simply had no way to know it until DS3.

Awesome!

A youtuber propose an assumption that Gloam eyed queen was never a single entity, and when destined death is unbound there will always a gloam eyed queen, i like this idea a lot as Melina said "The one who walks alongside flame, Shall one day meet the road of Destined Death." she is a kindling maiden after all, i think Melina should be the next gloam eyed queen but she cant because the rune is bound.

I understand the relevance of the music in the background due to its use in the game that is the topic of your video. But I just say the sheer volume and anxiety inducing, rousing effect of the battle music behind your delivery is extremely distracting and verges on input overload. I understand as an autistic person, this is my problem. But I just wanted to give this feedback cos I’m probably not the only autistic person that enjoys your videos. I had to replay several parts of your video several times because of the music drowning you out of my sensory perception several times. But that is my only critique. Fascinating content and I absolutely adore hearing and taking into consideration your takes as I attempt to better understand the world of Elden ring with your help and the help of a couple of other fantastic RU-vidrs producing exquisite content like yours. Thank you for sharing!❤

I still think if she's anyone we meet in the game, she's Tanith.

Really good theory… have you considered that they were both fighting to claim as many runes of the Elden ring as possible as rival Emperions? Like the Tarnished or the demigods during the shattering. That the Gloam eyed queen possessed destined death and hence no other runes are mentioned? Don’t know if that could work, but it strikes me that the Elden ring could have been shattered by the meteorite (god killed?) and the two fingers elected emperions to fight for the remaining runes… it would explain why it is now smaller than in Faram Azula artworks…

9:35 I haven't seen people not acknowledge the conquest of Farum Azula whenever it was spoken about the assumption I've seen is that Godfrey defeated the previous Order. On another note, Marika declares the Age of the Erdtree IMMEDIATELY after the defeat of the GIANTS, so she had the Ring at that point but her era had yet to begin, we can probably consider everything between the two battles as the Age of the Crucible. We also know that there was a short lived Age of Abundance the assumption that I've seen is that the Age of Abundance was cut short by the removal of the Rune of Death because Death is a natural part of life and that the Golden Order did not exist during this time as it was still a part of the Elden Ring but in the GEQs possession. Therefore a timeline would be >Farum Azula Order >Age of the Crucible >War Against the Giants >Age of Erdtree (Abundance) >Godskin Crisis >Birth of the Golden Order >Dragon War. We know from Incantation symbols that the Golden Order is different from the Erdtree and that the Dragon War is the earliest instance of the Abundance symbol no longer being in use.

i agree with a lot of this but i do not think the fingers were what made her an empyrean, i feel like the outer god she followed gave her that power, and when her actions were too ambitious for the greater will they sent forth marika and maliketh to usurp a ruler that would go against their ideals

Thank you for the video! Great suggestion about the timeline, does it mean that Glom Eyed Queen was connected to Numen somehow?

Hey, Could you please link the music you used in the video? If it's from Epidemic, can you please name which tracks you used in that case? Particularly the first track is really amazing

Great video! I just watched a video about it being Melina on Sinclair Lore. It had me almost convinced. Expect I thought Melinas purpose was to burn the end tree as kindling from birth. Given to her by her mother. That's why they found Melina and burned her alive to prevent it. Now she is a spirit and works through you. Atleast when you find her weapon it's by the body armor of the person in charge of finding and burning her.

THANK YOU! I have been saying this forever. People seem blind to the fact that God and Queen are used as nigh synonyms with regards to the Elden Ring. And Placidusax's "lost God" would have been his wife as he is an Elden Lord. (Which also makes their Divine sponsor The Great Will too.) Plus there's Maliketh's whole "demigod slayer" moniker.... I don't think he was known for killing the demigods of Marika's family... So there would have to have been another family of God, her Lord, and their demigod children.

even our character faces a god before our supposed ascension, so godfrey and marika facing dragonlord and its god seems plausible.

Look, I think what is messing everybody up is the assumption that the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika were not one in the same person. Think about it, how can the GEQ go against Marika wielding Destined Death if it could simply be sealed by Marika? Willing to bet Maleketh was known as "Death of the Demigods" because he was Marika's right hand during the Godhunt, and when Malaketh defeated the GEQ and her Godskins he actually defeated Marika for transgression against the Two Fingers because she burned the Erdtree, and that is why Malaketh has the stone right eye that is a gloam eye, because it is Marika's eye, because he took it from her as GEQ. His job as shadowbound beast to Marika is to turn on Marika should she piss off the Two Fingers. I think as GEQ she actually burned the first tree. She committed the first cardinal sin. That got not only her power sealed but a watchdog, Radagon, who could monitor her actions, become the perfect empyrean making counterpart, and serve as a perfect punishment to Marika by becoming all of he opposites in hopes of making a perfect Rebis capable of making a perfect being, and this was the beginning of the Golden order, the punishment of Marika to become the vessel. Radagon, as a person however, always sought perfection, not the Golden Order. I think the Elden Beast was trying to perfect itself and that is why this particular punishment was given, to make Marika the vessel. I think this is why Ranni is so willing to go to any length to shed her empyrean flesh, because of what happened to Marika. I think ever since Marika became Radagon, Radagon has slowly been taking over her over time, and that's why Radagon seems to become more active as Marika becomes less active thru the timeline of the game, and I think this seeking of perfection by the Elden Ring, thru Radagon, is actually what starts the transition to Golden Order Fundamentalism the more Radagon takes hold. I think Marika was punished twice, first as GEQ for burning the Erdtree via Malaketh and Radagon, 2nd by imprisonment in the Erdtree for shattering the Elden Ring, and this is why she mocks Radagon, saying "thou have yet to become me, thou have yet to become a god." Because at the end of the day she is the vessel not him, which is why she wins out and shatters the Elden Ring. In fact it may be the reason she is upset about Godwyn and that's the reason for it, it may be because Godwyn seems to be her only non-Omen child she didn't have with Radagon. If so, that may make him able to be the one Empyrean she could have truly outside of Two Fingers influence. If she was the GEQ, plotting against the two fingers the whole time, this would make more sense than any other reason I have heard. Of course, we could be about to find out that Melina was a child Marika had with Messmer, and that is why she is the kindling maiden. I think Messmer may have helped Marika burn the Erdtree as GEQ. But why have children with Radagon tho? It may be as a Nox, she thought Radagon could become the perfect substitute for a Silver Tear Albinuric in the making of a true Lord of Night, but after having Miquella Malenia, and Melina, maybe she realized the Two Fingers would control/influence her children as well, and gave the only one who didn't have a body for the Two Fingers to control, Melina, a very special mission only she could do. Return Destined Death to the world, either by burning, or by becoming. IDK.....I think everything just makes a lot more sense this way.

kosmos, I don't think that the gloam eyed Queen was overthrown for hunting gods excessively, because I don't know why killing other gods would be a problem for the greater will, but that she was simply overthrown for refusing to take the death rune from the elden ring ? I was wondering after watching your video if Marika could be the daughter of Gloam Eyed Queen and Placidusax? all the empyreans we've seen so far seem to be born from a god and apparently being born from a single god makes you one. with that in mind it would kind of be necessary at some point for someone to become a god so that other empyreans could be born, and with the whole DLC revelation that the land of shadow is where Marika first set foot, I've been wondering if farum azula it is considered part of the rest of the lands in between.

Hey there! Great stuff! I am inclined to agree with your take that the Gloam eyed Queen was someone of the previous age. I think we have a name for that in the 'Sun Realm'. From the item 'Sun realm shield'. 🛡 the item description mentions a city bathed in sunlight now long gone. Perhaps this was the city Faram Azula once was conjoined to? Food for thought!

An interesting analysis. But one which ignores the Age of the Crucible. There was an Age of the Great Tree. Then the Great Tree was felled in some manner thus far unexplained. And the Age of the Crucible began. In this age, the ancient roots of the Great Tree sprouted with new life of many different kinds. Not at all unlike a real tree whose roots have survived when the trunk has been destroyed, by say, a fire. At some point the Erdtree was GRAFTED into this system, and became the dominant branch. You can actually see this progression in artwork and statuary in game. Statues of Marika surrounded by the many buds of the crucible age, which are very similar to simpler statues of Marika now tending a single, solitary growth. These statues, along with the Crucible Knights being front and center among Godfrey's earliest warriors, demonstrate that Marika herself presided over, or at the very least was present for, the Age of the Crucible. Now, it's tempting to associate the Crucible with Placidusax's reign. The Elden Ring of Farum Azula is not a representation of a tree, as are the later forms of it, but rather of a massive and likely ancient root system. This would seem to dovetail nicely with the idea that the tree component was not present, and the focus was on the surviving and still thriving roots. This could suit your theory, with the GEQ being the God of the Age of the Crucible, later overthrown by Marika to bring about the Age of the Erdtree. But there are a couple of things that bother me and make me ask questions. What happened to the Great Tree? How does Marika know that the Flame of the Giants is a threat to the Erdtree? How and why are the Eternal Cities important to the narrative beyond simply being a previous civilization in the Lands Between? Why are the Giants on the Mountaintop killed with Deathblight? Doesn't this imply that the Rune of Death was still a part of the Elden Ring as late as this victory that ushers in Marika's godhood? How does Radagon fit into this equation? Radagon doesn't get nearly enough attention from the lore community, as he is just about the most pivotal player in the whole thing. He's the penultimate boss, after all, with only his master in the Elden Beast challenging us in his wake. Why does Marika, if she wishes her Order to be eternal, have AT LEAST THREE plans to end her age and bring about a new one under a new God/Lord (Miquella, who is clearly intended to be her successor and seemingly with her blessing. Melina, a daughter whose purpose is to destroy the Erdtree and end it's Age, and the Tarnished, meant to overthrow Radagon and replace him as Elden Lord)? There is also the very deliberate naming of the Gloam Eyed Queen. Or, alternatively, the Dusk Eyed Queen. Gloam usually being associated with morning, while dusk with evening. One heralding the end of night and the beginning of a bright new day (perhaps the transition between the Nox age of night and the Age of the bright Erdtree) and the other the end of day and the fall of night (most clearly the end of the Age of the Erdtree and the start of Ranni's Age of Stars). I don't think we have all the answers yet.

My theory if the gloam eyed queen isn't Melina, is that she was sister to Marika

Is it possible that in addition to what you discuss, the Gloam Eyed Queen is Renna, the snowy crone, and Ranni's secret mentor?

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Melina could be the Gloam Eyed queen if the time loop theory is realized.

Just wanted to say I was sent here by TA, curious to see what's what :P

Wasnt the elden beast a meteor that fell from the sky along with the elden ring?

8:48 This needs to be clarified, that is misreading of the item description, it understandable because if not carefully read you might think it’s referring to Faram Azula itself. I will highlight the important details w/ Caps In the written text: “Originally rubble FROM a RUIN which FELL from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon.” “The RUIN it came from CRUMBLED when STRUCK by a meteorite, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power.” This is talking about the pieces of Faram Azula you find around the Lands Between especially in Limgrave and Liurnia. Which is told through the Sanctuary stone reveal they’re from Faram. “A rare piece of stone fragment found near places where RUINS have FALLEN from the sky.” So the Ruin Greatsword is referring to THOSE ruins of Faram Azula being hit by a meteorite and from it can the sword. Not that Faram was destroyed by a meteorite. That is a big misconception, there’s no information in the game that states that Faram Azula was destroyed by a Meteorite AT ALL.

Great video! Do you think the snowy crone Ranni met and based her body on could have anything to do with GEQ? Ranni's magic is considered heretical without explicit reasons why. But it's really just frost magic. In a similar sense deathbird flames are Int frost also.

To me it's cear enough that the Gloam Eyed Queen channeled blackflame using the Godslayer Greatsword. She wielded Destined Death. The only other character that we see explicitelly chanelling flames and not producing them is Melina, the ONLY Kindling Maiden who's path is intricately woven with Destined Death as stated by the Blade of Calling. To me without relying on eye shenanigans we can infer that Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen.

nailed it.

I agree to almost all

Very convincing.

GEQ? It's simply miqella, all part of marika's plan.

Good ideas here.

A meteor absolutely can defeat a kingdom ruled by a god.

OH! Ok so here's an order for what happens around the time of the game: 1) Marika is having thoughts against the Greater Will (perhaps ambitions of some kind) and so she loses her tarnished that had been given the grace of gold (visions (ie prophecies) of the erdtree). 2) Radagon is recalled to her for the purpose of creating some Empyreans that could bring in the new age. I think given that eternity is a fundamental of the Golden Order that the ideal Empyrean would be most similar to Marika (all the potential Emperyans so far have been women (as so far as Miquella has a feminine aspect)) 3) The Empyreans of this age aren't happy with Marika because the eternal stagnation she's brought upon the world is causing them trouble. Also because noone can die other outer gods can start meddling with all that free time. The Greater Will doesn't like that. 4) Miquella is the first to come close to bringing in the new age, and also I think the closest to Marika. If I can step back a bit, I think Marika was able to claim the Elden Ring and bring in a new age because she had someone die and it became a source of huge motivation for her, that's why her age (represented by the erdtree and the lack of death) was precipitated by removing the Rune of Death. Plus the Greater Will was ready to shuffle on the Gloam Eyed Queen. So Miquella is desperate to save his sister, and his Rune is hinted (through cut content) to have been the Rune of Abundance. I like to think that this infers that each Emperyan (and to a lesser extent each demigod) has an affinity with an existing rune of the Elden Ring, which will also come to define their age. I think Abundance is pretty close to Eternal, so it's the first pick by the Greater Will for who will ascend. I think he got pretty damn close - I think through St Trina he was close to replacing death with dreams as a way to soothe his sister, who can never know peace. I think the Fundamentals of the Golden Order were important to him before (and why he was the favourite to ascend), even if he had begun to look elsewhere (the Eclipse). Malenia is having too bad a time to even think about how to shape a world order. She loves her brother and she'll be his Elden Lord (not in like, a sexual way, but I do think she would play a huge roll in his world of abundance as an arbiter of decay - she would help a stagnant world move again, and abundance requires cycles of life and death). Actually, now that I think about it, she may have been co-vessal of the Elden Ring with him, and St Trina would be the face of the operation. At the same time, Ranni is getting some Heresy Lessons from Renna and is thinking maybe it's not such a great idea to have everyone's lives dictated by ANY Outer Gods (so not the front runner to take over). I think Ranni and Miquella probably shared notes on a few things (the Eclipse being one). I don't know if either of them knew it would be Godwyn who was slain. 5) The death of Godwyn changes things for Miquella, no more time to fuck around, it's time to metamorphosise. What has happened here is his sister is now under the threat of dying, not just suffering. Now his passion was high and an aspect of his world as a God began to sprout. I can't remember in this moment if the Haligtree was already established before the death of Godwyn, but now is when Miquella decides to fuse with the tree. I think, given that unlike when the erdtree overtook the crucible the Haligtree is in a separate part of the world, that Miquella may be attempting to create a new world order separate from the Elden Ring, by metamorphosing his being into what the Elden Beast is to the Elden Ring, thereby becoming the literal governing structure of a new world order. I mean hey, the Elden Ring was in tatters, so obviously that wasn't such a robust system. Miquella now needs the Eclipse to happen asap. I think maybe (strong maybe) the Greater Will might be the sun, or the sun acts as a conduit of some kind. Unfortunately Radhan is holding onto all the stars and so shit isn't moving. Malenia is dispatched to maybe treaty with him, or maybe just merc him. Either way while she's out Mogh comes in and nabs Miquella so now the Haligtree world order plan is caput. 6) Before the Greater Will can set up a new plan (and with its control on the world not as infallible due to the shattered Elden Ring), Malenia decides to kill Radhan. Maybe she knew Miquella was gone and was in Caelid (right over Mogh's palace) to get down to him somehow. Maybe she hoped that killing Radhan would bring down a meteorite that her brother had predicted would crash through Selia, and maybe she deduced that it was targeting Mogh for heresy. Maybe she really had been sent to kill him from the very beginning and didn't know Miquella was gone. Either way, she tries to kill Radhan and blooms. Maybe something inate to the Lands Between loves trees, but Malenia's tree at the Heart of Aoenia is very different to the Erdtree, or the Great Tree of the Crucible, or to the Haligtree. All of these trees are rendered similarly, and I think that's due to the ideals of the Greater Will being conveyed through the Elden Ring. When the Haligtree was conceived (as an embodiment of the ideals of a blooming world order) Miquella's study of Fundamentalism meant that his world order was not that different, just incrementally better. No, Malenia's tree is twisted despair from all the rot she has dealt with - not a well constructed world view. But she still loved her brother, and so the tree is budding with flowers, and wildflowers grow at the base of the tree. If she had been left here I think she would have bloomed again into the Godess of Rot, vessal for the Outer God of Rot, and her tree would have taken over the world. But she was carried back to the Haligtree where her lost brother still blessed her with unwaking sleep. 7) So two new ages have nearly come into blossom without the oversite of the Greater Will and the second one almost brought in an age under the influence of another Outer God, so the Greater Will gets desperate and puts out a siren call to any desperate tarnished to see if anyone can patch up Marika well enough to salvage control over the world. Needless to say, the events of the game happen. Notes: Ranni's ending doesn't repair the Elden Ring at all. Ranni doesn't get her ending because she was an Empyrean (she cast off that flesh anyway), she gets it because there is no Outer God meddling so no need to be a vessel for anything. There is no new Tree. The world will be as it is, not a manifestation of something (or someone's) ideals. Godwyn is absolutely now an Empyrean if not a God in his own right due to the shard of death stuck in his body. I think Ranni's discarding of her flesh tells us that's the god-holding part. Godwyn has no soul to instil any ideals into the vessel beyond the Rune yelling DEATH, so now his age is coming (as the DLC).

Anybody else notice the blasphemous blade without that...stuff kind looks like the God Slayer Blade from the hilt?

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😍😍😍OMG. This is the 🏆ABSOLUTE BEST🏆 Elden Ring theory video I have ever seen. Here's why: Miyazaki asked GRRM to build a story similar to Dark Souls, about the Rebis and the seven princes of alchemy, and a history inspired by the tale of dragon king Tiamat, and his queen Abzu. GRRM came up with Placidusax, and his goddess. In GRRM's mythos, there was no demigod Ranni. There were only seven demigods (like princes of alchemy): Godwyn, Godrick, Radhan, Rykard, Miquella, Malenia, Melina. Renna, Rennala, and Ranni (AKA Selen) were the three sisters of Caria. The princess who ran into her aunt in the jungle one day, and became her protégé was Melina; not Ranni. Her aunt was Abzu the gloam-eyed queen; not Renna the snowy crone. yup, the gloam-eyed queen was Marika's sister, and Melina's aunt. Abzu was the original owner of Torrent (which Ranni talks about), and the three wolves ashes. It was Abzu who had close ties with the black knife assassins. It was Abzu who trained Melina to become a black knife assassin. It was Abzu who Marika was afraid of. -> She liked dragons. they breath fire. Marika liked trees. they burn in fire. -> There were no giants or flame of ruin in GRRM's mythos. -> There was a forge though. an actual forge, not a bowl of fire. It was Abzu, against whom, Marika fought and won atop the mountains. It was the dragons, children of Abzu whom Marika put to the sword, just like Gwen did in dark Souls It was the death of dragons that ushered in Marika's age and Reign. It was Marika, not a meteor that destroyed Farum Azula. It was then that Abzu fled, and Placidusax the Stormlord cast a storm of time, trapping himself in the past. It was Abzu who then rebelled against Marika for removing destined death from the golden order. It was Abzu who went on a god-hunt but failed. It was Marika herself who killed Abzu. YES. Marika. There was no Maliketh or Two-fingers in GRRM mythos You know the rest. and its lovely. Melina did non want vengence. But she was cunning like Miquella, and good with blades, like Malenia. Or better! she was cunning like Ranni, and good with blades, like the black knives. story hasn't changed. She believed in the teachings of her aunt, Abzu. She believed in destined death. So she went on a second God-hunt, called night of the black knives. Her assassins killed many gods. But she personally killed Godwyn's body, and her own soul, as a sacrifice for kindling and burning the Erd tree That was the first cardinal sin. That's why Melina is burned and bodyless That was why a heartbroken Marika, shattered the Elden ring, and the demigods tore each other to pieces. That was Melina's plan. She conjured the round-table hold, found a tarnished champion, tested him, gave him torrent and her aunt's wolf spirit ashes, became his maiden, guided him (Guidance of grace is not GRRM's idea) to obtained all the runes, used a "forge" atop the mountains to repair the Elden ring, and became the queen. Queen Abzu Queen Marika Queen Melina (not Ranni) THAT was Melina's purpose. given to her by her aunt. To become the queen, and restore destined death. Makes sense? GRRM is a good story builder. But Miyazaki is a good world builder. But there is a problem. A drama like that in Britain causes 1000 years of medieval age. A drama like that among the gods overshadows the entire history of the lands between. But Miyazaki wanted Elden ring to be more So the story was changed, into three ages: 0) Eternal empire 1) Age of dragons, Queen Abzu, and first Elden lord Placidusax, presiding over the great tree, beasts, and saints. 2) Age of the crucible, Gloam-eyed queen, second Elden lord Grandsax the Stormlord, presiding over the eternal empire. 3) Age of the Erd tree, queen Marika, and third elden lord Godfrey, gradually taking over the entire lands between. In this new story: 1) Abzu was queen of the five fingers of Manus Celes. GEQ was queen of the three fingers. Marika was queen of the two fingers. Abzu was Marika's mother, and Placidusax's goddess and wife. Yup. He's Marika's dad. GEQ was Marika's sister, Melina's aunt and mentor, wife to Stormlord Grandsax, and queen of the second crucible, and the Stormveil castle. 2) Then a meteor hit the great tree. what was left was the second crucible. Abzu fled. Placidusax froze in time. The gloam-eyed empyrean married Grandsax She became the gloam-eyed queen, and Grandsax became the second Elden lord Their capital was Stormveil castle. They ruled for hundreds of years over the eternal cities which were above ground The five fingers of Manus Celes who made Abzu queen, broke apart. The Three-fingers (Kaath) sided with the gloam-eyed queen and celebrated the crucible. The Two-fingers (Frampt) sided with her sister Marika, and guided her to become a queen. 3) Marika grew the Erdtree That's why the two fingers chose her over her sister. Angered, Grandsax attacked Leyndell and burned the Erdtree (first cardinal sin), * That casued the ire of the Two fingers. So he was killed by Godfrey. Godwyn could to do the same to Fortisax, but offered peace. Radagon later did the same to Rennala. Gloam-eyed queen did not accept the peace. Using the help of the Nox, she used mimic tears to make the godskin nobles and apostles. She then went on the god-hunt ** That casued the ire of the Two fingers. So she was killed by Marika, and the eternal cities were banished underground. 4) Marika searched the depth of the golden order, and realized the Two-fingers are liars. they don't represent the greater will. Marika does not like being a puppet. So she turned the gloam-eyed queen's corpse into the finger-slayer blade, and conspired with Melina to kill the fingers. Melina sacrificed Godwyn and herself for no reason, becoming a bodyless spirit. She is also burned for no reason. But we were still supposed to find the fingerslayer blade in that room atop the mountains, not an innocent blade of calling. She was still destined by Marika (Not the stars) to kill the fingers. One recap: The two fingers then banished underground her three fingers, banished underground her Nox and eternal cities who helped her fashion the godskins, banished underground the Nox black knives of nameless eternal city who killed Godwyn. banished underground the trader caravan who were associated with her crucible banished underground the omen who represented shadow of the erdtree = crucible vines = the great tree which ended the age of plenty You know! The two fingers like to bury (banish underground). because that's the realm of the dead. Golden order is all about life. They even buried the history of the lands between, founded the golden order, and made Marika eternal, to screw the eternal empire. They also eliminated all records of GEQ. Not as good a story? It gets worse. (Makes for a better world building though. Remember, in game design, theory does not matter. Implementation, gameplay, and polish does.) Later Melina's role was given to Rennala's daughter. Even Gloam-eyed queen's role in mentoring her was given to Renala's sister. This has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move. Thank gods they didn't give Marika's role to Renala. ==References== [1] There is a statue of this goddess in Farum Azula. [2] Behind the statue of Farum Azula, there is a twisted sword, in the middle of the Elden Ring [3] The finger-slayer blade is twisted just like that. [4] The sword fashioned from Radagon by the Elden beast is twisted just like that. [5] Around the statue of Farum Azula goddess, there are three wolves. [6] The spirit ashes of these same three wolves + Torrent's whistle was given to us by Ranni (Originally Melina). [7] Saint statues

Why are we sure that it was the greater will whose vessel was the Gloam eyed queen? could a different Outer god use the elden ring with the same ritual, and use the Gloam eyed queen as vessel? If yes, what if the Turning point of the war between Marika and the GEQ was a bargain or agreement between Marika and the greater will? She becomes a vessel and gets to be an empyrean for now with promises of becoming a god later, Her army gets superpowers with the guidance of grace, She gets Malekith as her shadow, and with this a fighting chance against the overwhelming power of the GEQ and Placidusax and the Godskins, beastmen, Dragons ETC. What if the Greater will was a new player who took an opportunity when the GEQ started hunting down anyone with prospects of godhood? Better yet, what if The meteor that Shattered Furum Azula was the elden beast itself, and the golden meteors on the top of the divine towers were used to pull him onto the lands between, basically Nuking the enemy's capital AND getting the Greater Will onto the board? We know Gold is connected to outer gods, Miquella's needle proves it. Do we know if Unalloyed gold can only be used to repel the meddling of outer gods, or if the Exact opposite is also possible? I think it is. The greater will seems parasitic at times, so its not unthinkable that it just replaced the previous god of the lands between, twisted Its rituals to his end, removed the Rune of death and rearranged the other greater runes to cement his own order, Grafted his own tree on top of the old one, and erased history of anyone that came before, just as Marika deemed herself Eternal (which implies the lack of a beginning just as lack of an end), and Godfrey was named the First Elden Lord. I do base this theory on the assumption that the Greater Will IS for all intents and purposes an Outer God, even if the fundamentalists say otherwise. If i was an outer god vying for exclusive control of the lands between i would lie and say that im Way above the pathetic entities such as the Formless mother to consolidate power.

AHH yes! Finally! Finally a propper video about GEQ. This theory does not contradict any lore presented by the game. Well done Kosmos.

Love the video. Got me thinking if the girl in maleketh's boss room under the old elden ring is the gloam eyed queen then she looks alot like the character in the promotional poster for the extension shadows of the erdtree. I don't think anyone has mentioned this. It's the Gloam Eyed Queed not miquella in the image. Mind blown. Please keep making your videos love them so much.

The elden ring is like the Anti Life Equation. A mathematical equation thag governs reality. The golden order is a certain way to arrange the runes and also the order that follows this veiw of reality. The outer gods wish to rearrange the order of the runes to change their vision for reality in the lands between.

No one ever talks about who might the snow witch be. You know rani's mentor. Could it have been the gloam eye queen? If she would be alive somewere lol

why is it most likely that the figure surrounded by 3 wolfs is their god?

Eu não sei se você tem a tradução automática de comentários mas eu vou dar um completamento da sua teoria Eu acho muito possível que Marika seja filha da gloam eyed queen e placidusax Isso explicaria pq Marika é um empírio Já que aparentemente só os semi-deuses podem ser escolhidos como empírio como Ranni se eles não nascerem como um empírio vindo de um único deus Assim Marika seria escolhida como a herdeira para se tornar a nova deusa mas trairia a antiga ordem por uma de vida eterna na ordem áurea E isso pra mim é muito possível pelo fato da pele retratada em imagens e pinturas de Radago e Marika ter um tom muito estranho de branco e quando os encontramos na batalha final ela parece literalmente ser feita de pedra até pq invés de ser machucada por destruir o Elden ring, ela foi rachada, indicando que ela pode ter herdado a pele de pedra de seu pai placidusax

If Melina & Ranni are the body and yurei of the Gloam-eyed queen, then maybe synthetic [re]birth caused the separation. If Queen Rennala is still so in love with her ex-husband that she has a piece of her beloved ex in an erdtree sap egg then maybe Rennala helped the Gloam-eyed Queen with rebirthing because Rennala wants her ex-husband back (black knife arc). Maybe rebirthing a god/goddess has consequences like yurei & body separation. Perhaps, the Gloam-eyed Queen was rebirthed more than once and the first time created Marika (in line with greater will) which is why she becomes the next god while the other rebirths created Melina (original gloam-eyed queen) & Ranni (not-in line with greater will). Perhaps there's never a newly appointed queen maybe it's always the gloam-eyed queen to bear the ring but changes as the ring changes through some form of rebirth/birth-cycle. Yurei being of japanese lore but perhaps there's other IRL lore that explains consequences between natural (current natural method), ill-natural (non-current method for the times) & unnatural (synthetic) rebirths/birth-cycle. Izanami might be a great name to look into. Beastial Birth-Cycle system (natural but called ill-natural during erdtree, aka primordial) Erdtree Birth-Cycle system (synthetic but called natural during erdtree, aka societal) Miquella Birth-Cycle system (naturally synthetic or transitioned synthetically [hidden as if taboo just like omen were hidden], aka progressivistical) Rennala Rebirth (advanced synthetics by magic [similar to magic technology and digital as an advanced type of synthetics with similar regards], aka globalistical)

Ive always been of the opinion that "gloam eyed something" became a position that could be mantled by anyone (including Melina) once death was removed from the order as a necessary concept would always attempt to return. I dont think that conflicts your theory either.

Music in the back too loud

What if she is Merika?

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