Shaka Hislop STILL NOT answering the Lionel Messi GOAT conversation! 🤯 | ESPN FC 

Horrifying. I really thought he would own it. Shame.

He said if Messi won a World Cup then he could be CONSIDERED the greatest, meaning he would have to think about it upon reflection, which is what he said in his answer. Things take time to sink in, and once Shaka is comfortable, he can give us an answer when the time is right.

@Michael Green because he did do what you want?

Move on with your life. Is it really hinging all on his opinion? Go touch grass. Messi isn’t even the best Argentine player, let alone the greatest ever.

@@QuestForQuality If not for Messi, Argentina would have never made it far in a world cup tournament, led alone to the finals.

I'm not going to be salty like Shaka lol I was so ar ogant and loud and I got what I deserve for it but Shaka should relax

@@4thGenna. 👏❣️

@@4thGenna. finally you shut up

Messi will then fly and Shaka will say, ye but that was only 5km in the sky. The record of a freefall is higher .

"People who are humble do not try to convince others of how humble they are, for they do not need to. Unless they are French" - Julius Caesar

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LMFAOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂😂

There were 13 Argentina players on the pitch when Messi scored his second goal in extra time. By the laws of the game, the goal should be disallowed. But of course ESPN will not cover that.

@@rameeziqbal8711 what? Explain please.

Messi needs to play a World Cup being the only player on his team and win it to be considered the greatest Shaka is a clown

And as a pundit too. He's just a clown in the show for comic relief.

Nobody should be taking him seriously. Please don't tell me anyone out there takes him seriously.

Yep

He’s just trying to troll

playing his role as an idiot well

Funny thing is you don't need shakas response lmao. He's a washed MLS keeper

@Michael Green bro he is a mls keeper, who careeeees what he thinks

@@TimedOut4noReason To be fair, Shaka also played in the Premier League. But I'm not sure why he's having trouble giving Messi the GOAT title.

@@amatrex when he said when the time is right is stupid

You need a life..haha

You can..... by using some *"FORCE"* (Bucket of Cold/Hot Water, Fart Gas, Taser)

No chance.

Thats a brilliant point you make.

There were 13 Argentina players on the pitch when Messi scored his second goal in extra time. By the laws of the game, the goal should be disallowed. But of course ESPN will not cover that.

@@rameeziqbal8711 you’re pathetic

Ronaldo suffered more that too with a small nation, no one even thinks like that

@@aks8285 cause he got no skill

@@aks8285 benched in every team

@@aks8285 he's finished since 2-3 years ago

@@gilangagitamaguitar7399 and Maradona is dead. What's your point? You have to compare players in their prime.

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Fanboys will be fanboys. Deluded fools with personality disorders.

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Shaka was always trashy

1. Messi has been carried his whole life by FIFA and Barca. 2. Messi stole a ballon d'or from Iniesta when he won the Euros and 2 years later the WC in 2010. Iniesta literally carried Messi during all those years. 3. In 2012 Blatter gave the ballon d'or to Messi purposely because he was his "golden boy" to make history and make Messi the first ever player to win 4 ballon d'or in a row 4. He also stole Lewandowski ballon d'or last year in 2021 In total, at least 3 ballon d'or were awarded to Messi undeserved 5. After poor performances from Argentina Messi quit the national team in 2016 6. He may be a club legend for Barca, but CR7 has proven he can play competitively in every top league besides German league. To me that is more difficult to achieve than having a stacked Barca team in their prime. 7. Messi fans DO NOT respect any other player, and DEMAND respect for the little man 8. He is currently playing in a farmers league 9. Di Maria's first penalty in the final should not have been awarded. He tripped himself to the floor. 10. Argentina style of play was disgusting because the were the one who flopped the most, and also the most aggressive when they recklessly tackled players to the floor and then processed to scream at the player on the floor for diving, and asking yellow cards to be awarded. 11. This WC, when Messi received the yellow card, he complained about it and the decision was to send the ref home. 12. It was rigged from the start Argentina were the favourites to win based on referee selection favouring their national team all the way to the end 13. You want to talk about Penaldo?? Messi scored 7 goals this World Cup, 4 of them were penalties. Please stop hating on CR7 for no reason, he achieved much more than Messi and yet you disrespect him for no reason. Maybe you're jealous idk it's just weird. He lost his child so he was taking time off, he wasn't playing well, everything was not going his way, and the media is to blame. The media blew this out of proportions and once again it's CR7 fault. And everyone LOVES to point fingers at CR7 because deep down they know he is the GOAT after Pelé. 14. Pelé is the GOAT of all GOATs 15. Baby feed by FIFA in every way.

@@diogorodrigues10 🤫🤡

@@diogorodrigues10 Clown, GTFO

@@diogorodrigues10 these are all very poor excuses. It seems like you just hate messi for no reason

@@diogorodrigues10 delusional

right now man kylian is the better player. at 23 years of age kylian already has a better wc tournament career than messi playing 3 less wc tournaments than messi

@@whitewolf1289 what ? Mbappe was fine

@@whitewolf1289 How you work that out? Messi has been consistently the better player throughout WC. On fire at PSG as much as Mbappe. The longevity is ridiculous

@@whitewolf1289 he’s got 7 ballon d’ors to go before he’s even in the conversation…

@@whitewolf1289 let's wait can kylian get champions league,ballon d'or and let's talk,,, it's if he has longevity career and not got beaten by haaland

He still needs to win the Euros

@@zetazero5899 😂

And the Superbowl

Who has more champions Leauge who has more international goals who has most ucl goals? Who has won 3 different League championships? All which Messi don’t have 😅

@@inzykhan415 And Ronaldo still doesnt have the World Cup lol

He appeared to be wearing athletic pants with his shorts overlapping his socks.

Messi's skin isn't dark enough for Shaka to say he's the best ever. Shaka will stick to Pele or switch to Mbappe before he admits that. There's a racial pride element with Shaka for some reason, even though it should just be about who's the best. That's why he's been hiding behind his phony "you have to win the world cup to be the GOAT" argument up until now.

@@FreshAlchemy Must everyone agree on a particular opinion?

@@umoruabdulmalik3253 when it's Messi then yes

@@umoruabdulmalik3253 no but if He Has Been saying that he needs a wc to be considered the greatest. Now he Has it and He changed his tune

Frank's lucky to be called a "pundit"

True. I do not understand how they always compare modern football to the one 4 decades ago. Everything was different back than from training, rules and technology.

@@elvinv1110 Exactly, and yeah certain aspects help but alot makes it harder. Every pro is an elite level athlete nowdays, whereas some players in the world cup back then were literally part time bin men with only a handful of good teams. Not knocking Pele, but also playing in the Brazil league for his entire career.. And saying he won 3 world cups too. Firstly he was part of one of the best brazil teams, and secondly, one of the world cups he only played one game...

You've defeated your own logic in the same sentence... "Defenders in those days were big brawlers". Now imagine a 17 year old young boy Pele destroying these hard tackling brawlers, simply with skill with absolutely no protection from refs and still managing to score an outrageous goal in the final to win his country's first world cup.... I like Messi too greatest player of this generation, but lets be honest Messi would end up on enough stretchers to force him to quit football if he played in that era. Messi is great but he can never be above Pele...

@@ysycotik YOu missed my point. I'm saying people, like yourself, use that argument to substantiate why they think Pele and MAradona are the best. My point is that defenders, defending, goal keeping and all round play is much more advanced/technical/athletic making it harder to score, therefore Pele and Maradona would've struggled as it's much easier to dribble around big slow brutes who don't defend but try and kick you. The Pele argument is BS and based on nostalgia. Maybe an argument for Maradona but not Pele. 3 World cups is really 2, played in a good team against average competition. Only played in an average Brazilian league and half of his goals were in friendlies or training. Pele is no way close to being the GOAT, a great player yes but not the best of all time.

Last full of year dramas was definitely 2014 1. 7-1 drama 2. Ramos last min goal to start RM new UCL dynasty 3. EPL decided in last week

2023 probably will only have off the pitch drama 1. Sale of MU 2. Sale of Pool 3. CR7 retires

Good observation!!

Jamaican?

It's good you're finally realizing that Shaka is an absolute moron, whose opinions aren't worth listening to or caring about. The man is a clown, what do we really expect?

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Not the first time and I'm sure not the last time as well, he's coward

Shaka isn't a man of his word, that was obvious anyway. He's a BS merchant, and that's all he's been bringing to the punditry world forever. Laughing and giggling and winging it.

Isn't it funny that it's Messi fan boys still crying about other people's opinions. He won the world cup, good for him and his country. Why are you so emotional and insecure about someone not agreeing to your opinion.

@@umoruabdulmalik3253 l think they're just roasting Shaka in good fun. Not that serious

@@umoruabdulmalik3253 you are the one who is crying here lmao..

That's all he's ever been doing, and I'm not even joking.

Goku and vegeta

@@buuqguys6625damn this is spot on

Messi doesn't need Balon d'Or anymore . He have more than anyone else 😂😂

@@buuqguys6625 always said it 😂, the difference is that in a particular moment in in time Vegeta got even better than Goku, something that never happened with Messi and Cris

Mbappe have chance too ...Club wise Mbappe has an edge....

Lol you can already add another Ligue 1 title & another ballon d’Or

Leave the western media to be talking trash, if this was Ronaldo, they'd elevate him above Pele & Maradona immediately.

Maradona won titles with Napoli which is more impressive than 10 La Ligas. It's like Messi winning with Espanyol. For accolades it's definitely Messi, for sheer ability, it's R9.

@@zxcv4090 Acknowledged to Maradona, but the lad had the opportunity to replicate such accolades at Barcelona and he didn't. Both facts can coexist, but nothing can erode Messi from GOAT status. Nothing

Ignore the ESPN pundits, there are there just to earn big bucks. They dont even come close GOAT. Can't agreewith you more on the titles GOAT has won. Like Ali say, i too prepare to let go Maradona even though he was the igeneration i came from. And Frank, you sound so much of jealousy. Be humble like GOAT/Messi🤭

Great info. Have not heard that, impressive. Thanks

Oh wow, very true.

He'll never win three like Pele. he'll never be the best.

@@mauriziopalmari460 he is already the best😂

@@roshinsiby5390 not even close. He'd have to win three more world cups and score 500 more goals to catch Pele. You people follow numbers, look it up. I've seen many games by them both, and Messi can't hold a candle to Pele. Pele was a defender's worst nightmare. Two had to mark him. Equally as dangerous with both feet and his head. Messi is nothing next to Pele. Truth is truth.

If Messi takes this seriously, he will play another WC😂😂

You shouldn’t ask salty, freshly scorned, and bitter pundit for their opinion about something so personal to them. He’s a French player, French fan and French TV personality. Impossible to get a fair assessment from Frank right now.

@@WatchMeEDC frank's problem is hes biased

@@Dillon-vg2nr completely agree. Total French homer.

@@WatchMeEDC That's the best time to get a pundit talking! Especially Frank xD

🤣🤣🤣 je nt need to see no doctor he is just a jelous Guy he is a Pelé is black just like shaka that is why he shaka is expressing himself like this. what we have to say to shaka is color of a person is just a superfeciality, and that is why he is so shallow on his mind.

And think about it, with the benefit of technology, modern training, an techniques, Pele and Maradonna would be even better than they were and so would most of the players of the time...

@@musafawundu6718 exactly 👍 our generation cannot argue about this with our father and grandfather’s generation. Because things were different and difficult at those times. We haven’t even seen them play properly. We have seen a bit of Maradona but that’s not enough whereas we haven’t seen anything pele has done properly other than his achievements in football, so we are not the ones to rate them. Older generation have seen everyone including leo messi.

Shaka can say whatever he wants. Does it ultimately matter? His opinion is not important. Who really cares about his ridiculous opinions?

That's facts

7 goals + 3 assists = 10

They were pathetic? They scored 2 goals during the game not 2 from the penalty spot like france needed. Gimme a break clown. One of those goals after the 80th minute(when you called them pathetic) in extra time. So you dont know much about football apparently. go cry your les bleu tears. 😭

There were 13 Argentina players on the pitch when Messi scored his second goal in extra time. By the laws of the game, the goal should be disallowed. But of course ESPN will not cover that.

@@rameeziqbal8711 yeah and Konate redirected the ball with HIS ARM on the corner that brought France’s 2nd penalty. Cry more

@@Ali-fo4uv 4 UCL titles and 1 world cup nuff said.

@user-wi2ch6pr1c Lucky your opinion doesn't count on whether he has or doesn't have 4 UCL titles.

@user-wi2ch6pr1c No the fact is he has 4 UCL titles next to his name and now a world cup. Keep crying 😂

@@Ali-fo4uv Ronaldo wasn't on the field when Portugal won the Euro 2016 against France. The only hard team on the way of Portugal in this Tournament. Portugese players handle France without him. So what have you to say about it?

@@Ali-fo4uv yes ronaldo 5 messi 4 if you don't want to take into account 1 messi's ucl, don't take into account Ronaldo's Euro.

Ronaldo injuries were self made though, no protections is gonna help a player when their knees are made of glass

Defenses weren't as organized and defenders weren't as athletic as they are now.. the tactics of the game are far greater now.. the game is faster too..

Outstanding performances that others couldn't do? I'm sorry, I didn't see Messi going to a lower mid table club in the strongest league in the world and then take them to every title of significance they ever won

​@@michaelpachuau3885 During their 86/87 title win, Maradona scored 8 non-PK goals with none against any of the top-four sides in a 16-team/30-game league season - very hard to say that is carrying a team. Many smaller teams were competitive in Serie A at the time - AC had been relegated, Roma won 1 of their 3 league titles in the 80s, Sampdoria and Torino were challengers, Napoli had finished in Europe 6 out of 10 years before Maradona, and Verona were promoted from Serie B and actually won the league before Napoli - which is more amazing than Napoli winning it, so if Verona could do it, it's no surprise free-spending Napoli won a title. Napoli signed a host of Italian internationals to build the strongest defence in the league - Maradona was part of a spending spree including Bagni, De Napoli, Garella, Giordano, Carnevale, and later the Brazilian striker Careca along academy graduate Ferrera, and by 1990, they were legitimately one of the strongest sides in Europe, analogous to 2016 Atletico in La Liga. Even before Maradona, Napoli were regularly finishing in the top-four across the preceding 10 years and because it was a 16-team league, being "relegation threatened" could mean being 11th place and 8 points below 4th spot, as Napoli were the year before his arrival.

Two words - Ramos, Pepe.

They can shift the post all they want. We refuse to agree to not put Messi as a GOAT, if it has to take pulling down Pele to acknowledge him as GOAT, then so be it. Messi is GOAT, simple.

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@@HernandezProAccounting305 sure lo

UCL with PSG would cap off an amazing career

@@lorenzolion6109 lmao I just said what kobe would say like the commercial 🤣

2 more World Cups to tie Pele

« One of the greatest… » what a hot take clown 😂

He is definitely up there with Pele, Maradona etc.

@@odamian62 nd Ronaldo

Ok penaldo

lmao underrated comment

people can hate kylian but right now man kylian is the better player . at 23 years of age kylian already has a better wc tournament career than messi playing 3 less wc tournaments than messi

@@whitewolf1289 Don't even go there. Kylian is a phenomenal player, but when Messi was his age he had achieved a whole lot. The world was at his feet!

@@whitewolf1289 with your logic, Miroslav Klose is the greatest player of all time since he's the all time world cup goal scorer

@@whitewolf1289 hardly better than messi at 35 lmao, nowhere close to messi at 24. Messi had 3 ballon dors and was already in GOAT arguments, he was absolutely unbelievable. He could have retired at 25 and have a complete career, mbappe has to leave ligue 1 to be taken seriously

Nobody, nothing owes anybody anything. It has to be earned it. Messi earned it and it's well deserved 100%.

@@streetgato9697 you’re truly blind if you don’t think this tournament was rigged

@@MK-hw2ir Take it up with FIFA, UN and InterPol lol! You have proofs? You're claiming it's rigged so you better prove it.

@@streetgato9697 i’m telling you, if you couldn’t see it yourself you’re more blind than Stevie Wonder. I’m happy for Messi tho

@@MK-hw2ir I'm not concerned with any of that if you don't have proofs, you can tell me all day it won't matter if you can't prove anything lol! Call me blind fine, I'll call you a liar lol! Just enjoy the game, it's all entertainment.

u don't even know if pele played vs competitive teams u just came up with that just to convince that man messi has a better wc tournament career than pele when pele has clearly better wc tournament career than messi.

@@claudecarlyle9284 More Wc goal involvements while playing more games? Using more teams argument is stupid... Pele never had the luxury of stat-padding and playing against teams like Australia, Saudi, Ghana etc.

@@claudecarlyle9284 Hungary of 54 were the most dominant national team of all time. Pele had to go through Italy's best generation, England's best generation, Sweden's best generation, Peru's best generation, Russia's best generation, Czechoslovakia's best generation, Wales best generation, Portugal's best generation, etc. World Cup 1962: 2.78 goal per game, 2014 World Cup: 2.67 goal per game.

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Shaka needs more brain cells for sure

He wants Messi to take him seriously and play another WC😆

what shaka need is for Messi to become a black man like he and his pele.

best comment ever by you

You're obviously young and don't know anything about the landscape of football before the 80s when South American and Brazilian football was the most dominant force on the planet. Pele proved himself in every competition he played in... World Cup, Libertadores, Rio-Sao Paulo, Paulista, Taca Brasil, Intercontinental Cup, Copa America.

GOAT by a reason.

Good riddance, flea.

shaka thought is like if you on a boat in the atlantic and a coin fall into the water you will not be able to find it so he saw Messi chance to win the world cup like this. so that is why he place it for Messi to win it . lije this well well we people Who loves reality and the truth know you and nothing can hide from reality.. the existance of the truth must come to the surface even if it may seams lust.

I really enjoy Shaka. But very disappointed with him today.

hey even a Madest man on earth knows himself so shaka knew Messi has been the greatest eveckust after his five years of career. shaka playing stupid but he is not.

Facts, they have a strong chance of winning the CL too because Mbappe and Neymar is on fire, what a way to retire my god

@@flippa7352messi and mbappe are not going to be good friends after this. lol

@@YeTism did Mbappe tell you this ?

@@flippa7352 pfff imagine that. And he's wanted a champions league too

frank shaka and many more prefere illusion thal reality

May be 2,, 2nd one he didn't play knockout games..

I sincerely do not agree, and I sincerely do not mean to water down the WC but in this era, winning one WC is enough, the quality of football is at one of its highest peaks compared to the 50's. Any Pele supporter seriously think a player can win 3 world cups in this era is quite deluded.

@@gabrielalohan728 the quality of football now is at a higher level but you also can't ignore how much more physical the game was back then where players didn't get nearly as much protection as they do now when it comes to tackles and bad fouls. All in all, it's very difficult to compare one era against another so one can just base their assumptions on the actual accomplishments each player achieved at their respective time. Hence when people say winning 3>1 WC, that argument is totally reasonable imo.

@@spitfirez89 Dance around it all you want, 3 WC in this era is unthinkable (not impossible) for any player across any era. Football is spectacularly at its Zenith.

@@gabrielalohan728 dance around what exactly? Winning 3 wc in ANY era hasn't ever been done since Pele. The level of football now is higher sure, but there are things you are omitting from past eras like the physicality and lack of protection from bad fouls that one could argue made it even harder for the players back then. Hence my point it useless comparing one era to another and focus on the achievements.

and he have to become a black man like he and pele as well

Actually he never reached Maradona in the WC level. Overall with consistency, longevity, trophies may be. But what Maradona did in 86 stands above. The performances were that good.

Messi is the GOAT

@@user-bi5nw4vp6t Messi litterally scored and assised as much as Maradona in 86 lol. You fanatics are wild

@@Nazhuk Go and sleep fool. None of his performances come close to Maradona vs Belgium England or Uruguay. First go watch and cry here, Diego was creating half dozen chances in matches, wonder goals and everything from tackles to clearance.

@@user-bi5nw4vp6t you must be taking drugs. Just of my head Messi gave two 100% goal chances in Netherlands game for Martinez that missed.He does that litterally every single match. Maradona CANT DO anything better than Messi.

just Luke people deny thier own existance

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he have to become a black man like pele and shaka for shaka to say yes he is the goat and never needed to raise anything to be the best ten Times over pele.

Pele is a joke. Played not in farmer league, but indeed against FARMERS whole of his career (he played even not in Brazilian league, but in league of region. It’s ridiculous.

@@megasalexander927 😨😨

Did you watch pele played

@@augustinetwumasi5031 his best achievements were 3 world cups but if you look into it he was the best player in only one of those, and he wasnt the best goalscorer in any of them. In one of those world cups he barely even played bc he was injured. Brazilian team at the time were also stacked with top players so its not suprising they won.

There were 13 Argentina players on the pitch when Messi scored his second goal in extra time. By the laws of the game, the goal should be disallowed. But of course ESPN will not cover that.

@@Zaza-xi4fw Zaza pele has 10 assist which is still a record

@@Zaza-xi4fw Pele was not a number 9 He was a playmaker a second striker so he not leading the top scorer in each worldcup he played is not an issue

Looser mental