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@HelenaSan425
@HelenaSan425 Год назад
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@josueveguilla9069 Год назад
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@HelenaSan425
@HelenaSan425 Год назад
Grandma Helena rules!!!
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@Personontheinternet4598 Год назад
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@AFordFlex2377
@AFordFlex2377 Год назад
Evangelion omedetou 🎉
@Just_an_random_who_likes_stuff
Congrats
@guillehdz
@guillehdz Год назад
"MAPPA is using AI" 😱 *MAPPA employees who haven’t slept or seen their families in months:* am i a joke to you? 🗿
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
where is her claims coming from? what proof does she have? shes not even an animator herself. smfh.
@guillehdz
@guillehdz Год назад
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw her sources and proof come from the same place as most tiktok information: "trust me bro"
@sboinkthelegday3892
@sboinkthelegday3892 Год назад
turned into "software OR ai" so fast lol no obviously it's not hand-animated.. how is this worse than manga? Mappa proabably believes in equality, and this woman believes in QUALITY.
@thunder360desu3
@thunder360desu3 Год назад
​@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlwshe probably thinks, "Oh, this frame is different from the manga, it must be made by AI!", Or something like that, and adding the "speaking to an animator" bullshit to top it all.
@KeivSquirrel
@KeivSquirrel Год назад
MAPPA's animators are in meth
@mbob4337
@mbob4337 Год назад
She mixed up the term AI and CGI. Mappa uses cell shaded CGI models to do their shows. It helps with certain characters more. Like Caiman in Dorohedoro. You don't have to keep track of his head spikes. But the animation can look a bit weird. Especially depending on costume changes with characters. The models can be noticeably different. Noi for example has proportion issues in shots every now and again and in certain outfits. Like her dress outfit. Her arms and legs are very wide. But her nude model has her arms and legs proportioned correctly. Muscles don't flex in the series. Because they aren't rigged to have a muscle system to simulate. But a regular animated show. Would have muscles flex and tense. Watch various scenes in Dragonball VS Dorohedoro. This is not a knock on Mappa. CGI and hand animation has pros and cons.
@strategicperson95
@strategicperson95 Год назад
What gets me though is this isn't really news for anime. It is well known that anime like Gundam Seed used this since the early 2000s. The technology has improved since then, but there are issues with it still. But in the end it is a tool like everything else. Like practical effects vs cgi; practical effects can look horrible when done poorly and cheaply, as well as being just as, if not more expensive than CGI.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Год назад
Most anime use CG today. It's basically common place because certain tings are a pain to hand animate and you need to save time
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Год назад
@@strategicperson95 Most of the issues with CG in anime solely come from time. Many anime movies use CG far more effectively and blend more seemlessly than in TV shows, which often have less time per episode and less budget.
@AnglesSol
@AnglesSol Год назад
That is true. In addition, there are shows which have computer generated inbetweens from software like CACANI such as Captain Tsubasa (2018) and JOJO's. The mix up here is that it's more "computer assisted" that AI since you have to use it during the inbetween and clean up stage and then color it manually, rather than inputting two finished images with color and effects and having it poop a third one inbetween.
@anhilliator1
@anhilliator1 Год назад
If I remember correctly, Ufotable actually starts with CGI models and draws over them to keep consistency.
@KawashiK
@KawashiK Год назад
She didn't miss the thing in ghosting. She got it WRONG. Ghosting is intentionally added, so when she said "it by using AI or frame interpolation gone wrong, and is not hand-drawn", she already got the idea wrong, despite already explaining what it is for lol. It is not hand-drawn, true, because it is an EDIT. It's not frame interpolation gone wrong or AI if it is intended AND a non-ghosted copy exists. This is what happens when you make a report with bias and not double check facts.
@mukiex4413
@mukiex4413 Год назад
Yeah, that's kinda wild. "See this ghosting? It's AI" People using Flowframes for years: "No it's fucking not"
@Mrhellslayerz
@Mrhellslayerz Год назад
As much as I absolutely dislike the current state of AI and how abused it is, people like her actually make it harder to have fair debate about it. Blind accusers are just as obnoxious as AI bros.
@KawashiK
@KawashiK Год назад
@@Mrhellslayerz True. AI isn't a bad thing, but I really hate how it is used (or "trained") currently. I really do want artists to have a tool to help them, not one that will replace them. However, I can also see it's still far from being capable of making consistent frames, so its role in animation is really not much (best use case atm is color coding, but even that is still not much), so animators are still important.
@plumaDshinigami
@plumaDshinigami Год назад
Take into account the fact she didn't begin the response video recognizing her mistakes. She spends the beginning of her video trying to portray her take about how she's still technically right. Again, just think about it.
@my.name_00
@my.name_00 Год назад
women dont know how to apologize.
@kertaspaper94
@kertaspaper94 Год назад
As many would say, women are never wrong.
@Chaplain_Asmodai
@Chaplain_Asmodai Год назад
starts her response with a strawman
@k.h6635
@k.h6635 Год назад
Woman and queer are just bad combination
@TheRealityWarper08
@TheRealityWarper08 Год назад
Accountability = Kryptonite to women
@BloodrealmX
@BloodrealmX Год назад
"It's never hand-drawn." Ah, yes, no animator could ever overlay two frames and reduce the opacity! Dat's unpossible! What a steaming pile.
@ihavenoideaforaname8123
@ihavenoideaforaname8123 3 месяца назад
exactly it’s almost too easy to do
@SleepyRulu
@SleepyRulu Год назад
Can people stop accusing people without evidence
@nushia7192
@nushia7192 Год назад
Its because anti-defamation law isn't enforced into their society.
@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto
@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto Год назад
@@nushia7192if anti-decimation laws won’t be enforced, I would settle for bringing back the mother-loving duel.
@Leostar-Regalius
@Leostar-Regalius Год назад
on twitter? no way, not possible, but most wish they would
@Leostar-Regalius
@Leostar-Regalius Год назад
​@@nushia7192if it was, it would be shut up or pay up because twitter people can't keep their mouth shut
@kittehgo
@kittehgo Год назад
But if we do that, how can i then accuse you of training squirrels to break into pentagon?
@staticthewhitewolf7040
@staticthewhitewolf7040 Год назад
She talked to AN animator. Betting one they never animated anything. Two they are an American or western animator. Or more likely she took out a pencil, made two marks on paper, called her self an animator, and talked to a mirror. Just like most media that claim to have talked to an expert.
@newp0rt
@newp0rt Год назад
yeah i hate the "an animator" thing because hell, i made some trash newgrounds stuff back in the day, im i "an animator"? sure but do i have qualifications to call JJK AI? helllll no, i didnt even know about the ghosting thing in japan. just because you do something doesnt mean you have the qualifications to have an authoritative take.
@DaKdawg
@DaKdawg Год назад
To be fair, 10 years in the industry, one that's in constant change, doesn't have a lot of credit. A very vague statement since the industry has a vast amount of tools and practices at their disposal that is different from company to company as well as from artist to artist. I'd have been more impressed if it came from a veteran that has made a career, than potentially an "anonymous" animator. Smells bad, looks bad. Glad she got fact checked.
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
@pensmith
@pensmith Год назад
She kept saying ghosting was done by AI at times. It's not. They didn't have AI drawing tech during the time of that pokemon episode she's referring to. CGI and Ghosting has nothing to do with AI being used or not.
@hikkamorii
@hikkamorii Год назад
These people probably don't know difference between them anyways, "It's made on a computer, that means it's AI". That's the same energy as screaming that it's CGI when they see some visual effects (which can use CGI, but they're not always CGI) in live action movies.
@ZainKaneko
@ZainKaneko Год назад
she says she did research but...if she did research she might've found that ghosting has been a thing before ai
@SergioLeonardoCornejo
@SergioLeonardoCornejo Год назад
I think by looking at her face, the platform she uses, and her false statements, we can bet she'll blame misogyny, instead of her own flaws, for how people treat her.
@RandoDudeOnline
@RandoDudeOnline Год назад
At this point that's just step one of the recovery process for these types of people
@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog
She has the soulless eyes
@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog
She has the soulless eyes
@nightday2030
@nightday2030 Год назад
"Kowalski, analyze her argument" "She uses Tiktok sir, no need for further analysis"
@JoCaTen
@JoCaTen Год назад
She'll also find a way to shove white washing and white supremacy in there as well. I'm sure of it
@Murderkarpe
@Murderkarpe Год назад
Man, is it me, or does she sound super condescending in her reaction? It's hard to listen to. She seems to be speaking in circles to stop from admitting she's WRONG.
@creeperizak8971
@creeperizak8971 Год назад
Yeah, when I watch these types of videos I usually mute them to avoid having to listen to the person in question, but it's hard to even watch her body language.
@DaKdawg
@DaKdawg Год назад
A typical tactic used to avoid addressing the issue...which is when you are wrong and don't want to admit it.
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ...
@meirin5316
@meirin5316 Год назад
isnt that common with those kinda ppl
@ThatMattaTatta
@ThatMattaTatta Год назад
She's really harping on about how 'ghosting' can never be intentional and must always be indicative of AI. Basically, she wants to be right even though her argument has been shot down, because if she's 1% right, then she can use that as proof that she's "credible". The ghosting effect itself is really easy to create and requires no funky tools: just let the previous frame in an animation remain visible at like 50% opacity. This effect is also known as 'trails' and has been around forever. It's not something one does accidentally or as a time-saving measure, it's something an animator chooses to include for the visual effect and how it can emphasize speed and motion. Interpolation artifacts leave a different effect between actual frames, and are basically two source frames kinda smooshed together to create more frames between them. A lot of interpolation results in glitches and smears where the algorithm messed up, and many people find interpolated animation to be jarring, so it's not often deliberately invoked.
@sunn7615
@sunn7615 Год назад
Modern Interpolation algorithms are getting significantly better and some animation tools are starting to use them. The important thing to keep in mind is that the animator can decide which frames get interpolated and which don't, so that way frames which benefit from interpolation (such as motion frames) gain that but frames which don't (such as scene changes) aren't changed. And the animators can also clean up those frames to fix artifacts afterwards. If developed with the creators in mind rather than as a get rich quick scheme, we could see a day where algorithmic interpolation would be a huge boon to animation in general.
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ...
@WhatBeDaPointMon
@WhatBeDaPointMon Год назад
First they came for comics. Then they came for games. Now they come for anime. Stop letting them come! 😩
@SchemingGoldberg
@SchemingGoldberg Год назад
Gatekeeping is both morally acceptable and necessary.
@TheUnoriginal2394
@TheUnoriginal2394 Год назад
Optimus Prime's latest arc.
@quasogod
@quasogod Год назад
come in me instead
@Perspective557
@Perspective557 Год назад
​@@quasogod🤨📸
@eyeofthepyramid2596
@eyeofthepyramid2596 Год назад
​@@quasogod🙄
@pierredelapotterie5996
@pierredelapotterie5996 Год назад
She was wrong, but she didn't want to outright admit it. Her first video, while it wasn't trying to paint MAPPA badly for using AI, she didn't say it clearly to avoid to be taken it that way, and the last thing before the video loop didn't help as it was something bad about MAPPA's overworking practice. I'd say she was very clumsy in making her video, but her response to the backlash was simply bad, no apology and no accountability for the screw up. It doesn't bode well for her.
@Blakobness
@Blakobness Год назад
I'm probably in the minority here, but if people are seeing this video and thinking she's paint MAPPA badly, then that's a them problem. Not everything has to be an accusation, and it's sad that people should have to clarify that they're not trying to talk shit before talking about something. Maybe just stop being defensive?
@frozenburst6463
@frozenburst6463 Год назад
​@Blakobness If you mention something that people find as a bad thing (such as using AI to create art), and then go on to mention 1 and only 1 person, group, or company, then people are going to think you are throwing shade. Which is why you NEED to clarify, especially incase your points where wrong.
@Blakobness
@Blakobness Год назад
@@frozenburst6463 I guess that's part of the problem, using the AI isn't a bad thing, and people really need to step off. This just comes off as Twitter Freak behavior to me.
@frozenburst6463
@frozenburst6463 Год назад
@Blakobness Yes, I kind of agree on that as well. Ai art isn't bad as long as it is used right, and the artist still does work on it after just generating an image. But, the issue in this case is that Japanese culture is heavily focused around working hard. And if a Japanese company is being accused of something that is believed to mostly be lazy, it can greatly harm their business. I don't and wouldn't dislike them using AI art, but I do dislike people making claims that can hurt those who did nothing wrong.
@sleepy_koko
@sleepy_koko Год назад
@@frozenburst6463with ai being so new it's kinda a war of "all ai is coming and replacing all of us" vs "ai is gonna improve our lives accept it" with no nuance in the two sides, mostly since it's artists vs stem which don't really see eye to eye often Making an ai show with an ai script and animation is cheap and bad, the only appeal is since it's new and we never seen something like that before But I don't see a problem if ai can be used as a shortcut for example, an action screen on top of a train where the backgrounds are always changing and blurry anyway as long as the majority animation is done by people I feel once ai stops becoming a "hot topic" people will actually try to talk about what ai should and shouldn't do. I once compared ai to NFTs and whenever I did people would without a doubt say NFTs where better and say it "fell off" "helps make money for artists" and ignore the major environmental stuff that was originally brought up One of the things that seems fair to make is calling someone's work ai is an insult, basically telling them that they are on par with a robot, and unless you make it clear you know what your talking about and proof ai was actually used, you shouldn't accuse anyone of using it
@Pain-And-Gain
@Pain-And-Gain Год назад
What frustrates me about these cases is that there always seems to be someone who lacks knowledge about the subject at hand (in this case, animation and working in animation studios) yet speaks without presenting evidence or proof, they may offer a half-baked “reason” that has been proven wrong many times, but they can still ruin something and their followers will always say "Yeah, you're right". And on the other hand, why people even go to such a great length to refute their claims with a hard evidence without even checking these kind of people's credibility or whether they have proven anything or not? It's like going to a mechanic for your car and educating him about the engine, imagine spending 4 to 5 years to become a mechanic and an entitled person without even having any knowledge about your field trys to dictate to you what is right or wrong.
@d0tsf0rlife
@d0tsf0rlife Год назад
"Queer and Dank" Yeah that pretty much tells me all I need to know. "I want this to be a safe space for debate" Immediately privates/deletes any dissenting evidence or opinions. Why are these weirdos SO predictable. Every. Single. Time.
@ryomensdeath
@ryomensdeath 4 месяца назад
Wth what's being queer have to do with being fucking stupid
@danalynch118
@danalynch118 3 месяца назад
I don’t think being lgbt has anything to do with it
@ryomensdeath
@ryomensdeath 3 месяца назад
@@danalynch118 literally. It has nothing to do
@RichD1
@RichD1 3 месяца назад
⁠@@ryomensdeathits a stereotype the loud minority painted
@ryomensdeath
@ryomensdeath 3 месяца назад
@@RichD1 what
@legendarycryptid2629
@legendarycryptid2629 Год назад
Man, getting destroyed is one thing, but getting DESTORYED is something else! What will I tell people who want to hear my tale?
@thematiasmadness7010
@thematiasmadness7010 Год назад
What?
@stattekk
@stattekk Год назад
Lol wonder how long it'll be before it's fixed
@luke-m8423
@luke-m8423 Год назад
hm detstoryed worse
@un-kyejohn2968
@un-kyejohn2968 Год назад
Whut🤨
@spikeytortle595
@spikeytortle595 4 месяца назад
Been almost a year bro still hasn't fixed it
@AFellowDoktuh
@AFellowDoktuh Год назад
If you're all about being an anime "freak", than getting others acceptance should be low on your priority list. I hate that Anime has become so mainstream cause yeah, there are tons of people who think it needs to be "fixed" and don't understand the differences in Japanese Culture and culture in non western countries in general.
@nightday2030
@nightday2030 Год назад
Well no wonder Japanese are rumored to make their OWN Twitter-like platform because they don't want any Twitter culture interference.
@KakfkaLover
@KakfkaLover Год назад
If anything needs to be "fixed" in anime it's the hours and wages that animators are forced to work if anything
@0potion
@0potion Год назад
​@@KakfkaLoverIt's kind of hilarious to me all of Hollywood is on strike right now, But even their low-paid people get paid decent money they just live on way to expensive place to live. And then you have people like these animators who basically have no life outside of animating. Like these people don't even get to go home and see their families most of the time. Once it would become used to privilege equal treatment looks like oppression.
@AFellowDoktuh
@AFellowDoktuh Год назад
@@KakfkaLover Agreed.
@mutantsandmemes
@mutantsandmemes Год назад
Yeah, western viewers who only watch anime to seem "cool" or whatever annoy me to no end cuz they don't understand that not every animated show follows the rules of western media. All these annoying girls on TikTok making claims about how "This show sexualises minors!" or "This show encourages SA!" AREN'T THE TARGET AUDIENCE. Don't watch anime if you can't stand teenage characters looking more attractive than real teens or having "spicy" moments that would never occur irl. Only watch it if you can comprehend the fact that not every country thinks like westerners.
@Ability-King-KK
@Ability-King-KK Год назад
She looks like the type of person who is only into animé for clout and not because she actually enjoys it.
@CorvusVonRex
@CorvusVonRex Год назад
A.k.a a "Tourist"
@clumsycaden5708
@clumsycaden5708 Год назад
To me it sounds like she posted the video to compare the manga and anime because she thinks that she's better than the anime watchers for reading the manga
@quasogod
@quasogod Год назад
@@clumsycaden5708 as a manga reader, the scene was indeed very nice, but it couldve been better
@miguellopez3392
@miguellopez3392 Год назад
that is called frame interpolation, its meant Vs do it by default to make moving image looks smother, if they call that AI might as well call your calculator a AI computer.
@_carlito_5367
@_carlito_5367 Год назад
The worst part for me from anime being mainstream now is people acting like they’re animation experts online just cause’ they watched Chainsaw Man once.
@DaKdawg
@DaKdawg Год назад
It's so fucking annoying. I got into animation and didn't make it, but it's amazing how many people will make an assumption about a topic that they don't know only to be fact checked and made liars. Always be forthcoming with what you actually know, what you heard/assumed and where your info comes from.
@CasanovaMista
@CasanovaMista Год назад
Wdym Chainsaw Man? There is Ai in it? Is it their project with the most Ai in it? Please tell me
@DaKdawg
@DaKdawg Год назад
@@CasanovaMista They use 3d elements. 3d elements have been in use in anime since 1998. Why there is a claim to ai in the frames given, I have no idea.
@MortonCammar
@MortonCammar Год назад
Imagine being an exploited animator, you haven't seen your family in weeks and you haven't slept for days just to have some woman on tik tok call your hard work ai generated.
@gouravchakraborty9801
@gouravchakraborty9801 Год назад
THEN BLAST THIS WAHMEN OFF DA PLANET
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her.
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
@ducc1
@ducc1 Год назад
I just find it crazy how some people are upset over 2 panels getting changed, like jesus christ just enjoy the anime
@nilaier1430
@nilaier1430 Год назад
Ghosting in animation is a technique used to demonstrate motion or the path of motion. It involves creating semi-transparent or 'ghost' images of an object or character at various stages of their movement. These images appear on the screen in rapid succession, creating a sense of smooth, continuous action. Ghosting can be very useful in animating complex actions because it allows the animator to see the trajectory and rhythm of the action. It helps to make the motion more fluid and believable by providing a visual reference of where the object or character has been and where it is going. In traditional hand-drawn animation, ghosting was sometimes accomplished by drawing lightly in pencil before finalizing the artwork. In modern digital animation, many software applications have built-in tools to create a ghosting effect.
@fatgamingman3872
@fatgamingman3872 Год назад
She also deleted comments in her video because "people were being nasty and name calling" and she wanted the comments to be safe place for debate. I'd bet all those "nasty" comments were probably just people calling her out for spreading misinformation and not addressing the things people were really actually calling her out for
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
nah you can already see the effect in this youtube comment, if you go to newest, there is also a bunch of incels spaming "women"
@fatgamingman3872
@fatgamingman3872 Год назад
​@@leeperkillz5397only thing I saw through newest is you replying through almost every comment criticizing her
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
@@fatgamingman3872 ? I wasnt criticizing her I was highlighting how ignorant people are, her argument was for the most part solid, if u didnt get what I said read it again " the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ..."
@mono-bao
@mono-bao 3 месяца назад
​@@leeperkillz5397summary?
@fischlnseele6715
@fischlnseele6715 Год назад
Said it a lot of times in a lot of platforms, but this hate towards the A.I. it's insane. It became the new 'isn't black enough' that many used as an excuse to harass artists while believing themselves on the 'moral' side, because going against them means you are a 'bad' person. And one thing I hate even more, is all these 'experts' talking out of their ass. I've argued with many people who were like, "I've seen dozens of them and I can recognize AI arte at a glance, bruh." ruining artists' reputations because nobody cares whether it's true or not, but they know that just associating with them could paint them in a bad light and dump them.
@victinim2512
@victinim2512 Год назад
But ... There are already tools in animation software that helps with interpolate frames without AI or at least not current times AI, it's a common thing... Although not necessary for animation.
@thatwaffleguy4958
@thatwaffleguy4958 Год назад
It's called smear or blur frames, right? I feel like this is it.
@bread_bear7878
@bread_bear7878 Год назад
yeah, or “in-between” frames. VERY useful and not at all noticable If done correctly. I’d recommend looking into all the terms so that when you watch your next anime/animated show you can spot all of these techniques and truly appreciate and understand the level of depth the animators truly put into the craft :)
@MKMush
@MKMush 4 месяца назад
@@thatwaffleguy4958 Smear frames and interpolation are not the same thing, software can do interpolation for you, smear frames are drawn by hand to exagerate movement. both are form of in-betweens
@thegoldenapplebryanwu6816
@thegoldenapplebryanwu6816 4 месяца назад
@@MKMush You actually understand animation. As an animator myself, you have my respect.
@thaitoan4760
@thaitoan4760 Год назад
Guys please be nice to her, this is her first ever anime😂
@Sin-Nombre04
@Sin-Nombre04 3 месяца назад
Why use ai when you can overwork your workers and not let them see their familys
@DaimonAnimations
@DaimonAnimations Год назад
I'm a 2D and 3D professional animator, what I can add to this conversation is, it depends what sources she's getting and what Animator she talked to. Is this animator worked before in an Japanese Animation studio or not? Japanese animation studios have their own style, tools and techniques to do animation, yes most times we animators we will be given tools to improve our speed and max profit for the studio. A lot of people tend to blame VFX artists 3D Animators and 2D Animators for some animation decisions but you have to take in consideration, we do not have a saying most of the time in regards to tools and pipelines. Studios will do what it must to maximize profit and speed to deliver their projects, yes, we Animators get hired to do animation. The people in charge is mostly for Animation Supervisors or Animation Directors, these are the people that have more of a voice in the matter of how to approach things in the studio. Now, I don't work in a Japanese studio so I don't have much of an idea how things are done there, I know they are using more often now 2D Digital animation (Flash or Toon Boom or TVPaint) whatever software they use that can provide easy ways to speed up your animation. she mentioned that MAPPA did use CG for their backgrounds to save time, its true like I said, studios will do whatever it takes to facilitate and improve the speed of the Animation that is the most grindy of all. So did they use A.I.? It is possible, I can't say if they did or didn't, we animators are not very happy about it, you can voice your discontent about it but at the end is the producers and clients in the studio that decide, we Animators don't get paid to choose our tools, we get paid to do the animation, that's the reality, its up to mostly to the Animation Directors and Supervisors. So they could have used A.I. or not, who's to say? Who knows what benefits will bring A.I. or ruin us artists. Its up to the people to support us by not buying or paying for A.I. made products at the end.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Год назад
I believe Mappa has experimented with frame interpolation in a very select few frames
@darksh1ne1
@darksh1ne1 Год назад
In other words... she doesn't know what AI is. That's all
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
??, yes its plausible AI can be used for this, you dont know what AI is at all
@GameFuMaster
@GameFuMaster Год назад
lol, "content creators" will do anything for views, even making up their sources. Unless her source is actually working in the western cartoon scene, then they really shouldn't be commenting on Japanese anime. Then basically deflects her errors by going off tangent
@TomboySister128
@TomboySister128 Год назад
I bet the animator she spoke to was just her emailing herself under a fake email address.
@Derpsum
@Derpsum Год назад
bro thats exactly what an ai would say
@HeroHei
@HeroHei Год назад
:O
@d6421-e9c
@d6421-e9c Год назад
That one there was a violation
@avis21X
@avis21X Год назад
As a content creator, if someone accused me of using AI for my writing, I'd be pretty pissed.
@user-qo9fh7bn7b
@user-qo9fh7bn7b 3 месяца назад
and that would also make you proud to know that your writing is so good, keep going! lmao
@Madddorash
@Madddorash Год назад
"after doing lot of research" yea right.
@pabcu2507
@pabcu2507 Год назад
Again, should’ve went after Steiner for not conducting his counter attack
@raawesome3851
@raawesome3851 Год назад
Oh, also, funny thing is, my friend typed in Japanese, Silvpokki, about how she was an animator who worked for Mappa, and had been paid, through the entire episode, less than a couple dollars. The thing is, people actually believed her, and her tweet ended up collecting 10s of thousands of likes. 😭
@ThePawerStation
@ThePawerStation Год назад
When someone says "I spoke with an animator" (or any other professional) without providing any detail on his expertise, you know it's BS from the start.
@screaming_cat2007
@screaming_cat2007 Год назад
If this is AI then I’m incline to say we should welcome the AI overlords in anime to alleviate the stress on animators. If it isn’t, screw her
@Jikuro_
@Jikuro_ Год назад
She's right about the fact that a lot of studios may be using ai in between some frames or something to fill in the blanks to help the workload but there's no confirmation of such things happening when it comes to MAPPA at least as far as I know.
@eryalmario5299
@eryalmario5299 3 месяца назад
If she just admitted that she's wrong we wouldn't have clowned on her
@w0nezher0
@w0nezher0 Год назад
"i have friends in mappa" = " my dad works for nintendo " same vybes
@jacobraskin9697
@jacobraskin9697 Год назад
Is "I spoke to an animator" the new "my uncle works for nintendo"? lol
@mutantsandmemes
@mutantsandmemes Год назад
"I spoke to an animator" - yeah? Got a name? Got any animation that they've worked on for reference? Cuz here's the thing: you can be an animator no matter how good or bad your animations are, but if you haven't worked in the animation industry - in this case specifically, the Japanese animation industry - then you don't know a damn thing about working in a professional environment. Your statements are just observations, not firsthand experience. And I'm guessing that's all that animator could give; observation.
@flyingcow5235
@flyingcow5235 Год назад
if mappa used ai, their animation quality will literally worsen. i mean, this is mappa we're talking about. the amount of disrespect to all overworked, underpaid animators by claiming that they're hard work was created by ai.
@fatpurp4041
@fatpurp4041 3 месяца назад
"Mappa uses AI" The animators after sleeping in the studio for a whole month: I'm starting to wish it was
@josueveguilla9069
@josueveguilla9069 Год назад
Fun Fact: Everything "AI generated" is fake. Everything.
@thematiasmadness7010
@thematiasmadness7010 Год назад
So my girlfriend…….
@edgehead2695
@edgehead2695 Год назад
​@@thematiasmadness7010We're sorry we had to break it to you like this...
@Gotz_the_iron_hand
@Gotz_the_iron_hand Год назад
If it's an imitation claiming to be the real version, sure. Used in any other context, you're not using the word correctly. Fake in any other context would imply it doesn't exist. If you can see it, and you aren't hallucinating, it's real.
@thematiasmadness7010
@thematiasmadness7010 Год назад
@@edgehead2695 it all make so much sense now
@Knightmare404
@Knightmare404 Год назад
That's not what that word means...
@linklink-_-6399
@linklink-_-6399 Год назад
Even if mappa did use some ai, it would be used as an animation tool, not to do all the animation so its not that bad. Plus mappa could train the ai on everything they have animated in the past and so it would be ethical too since they arent stealing any art.
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg Год назад
Can we stop this “ethnically” nonsense? It’s give these anti-ai people some sort of power, when in reality nobody should listen them in the first place.
@first__last
@first__last Год назад
Referencing is not stealing lmao
@Knightmare404
@Knightmare404 Год назад
Ai doesn't 'steal' art anyways, so it should not be much of an issue.
@linklink-_-6399
@linklink-_-6399 Год назад
@@first__last i know just thought id add it since a lot of people are so sensitive about that
@PlumKingPie
@PlumKingPie 3 месяца назад
Bro let the animators chill they haven’t slept in 30 months and haven’t seen their children😭😭😭 they worked so hard for it to be called ai
@someonewithbadgrammer6740
@someonewithbadgrammer6740 Год назад
I didn't know Ai chan left her career of idol singer and started working in Animation industry, props to her! ❤
@MrCjosue24
@MrCjosue24 Год назад
People think they know about animation.
@darknessblades
@darknessblades Год назад
The reduction of strobe effect, also originates from the pokemon episode: Computer warrior porygon
@rukitomikutochi8764
@rukitomikutochi8764 Год назад
Haha, Karma doing overtime. She should delete her account after this deadhead take.
@zeorhymer6
@zeorhymer6 Год назад
Accountability doesn't exist anymore.
@enterahandle
@enterahandle Год назад
even with this small clip of her on 1.5x, i still felt like i wasted my time listening to her.
@FallNightt
@FallNightt Год назад
Even mappa used ai for certain scenes its fine because ai art made for that helping little corrections and some little things takes hours to make And its helps on going deadline so you can get 1 epsode every week As long as handmade art still there its fine to cover the corner and Frame with wood (ai)
@MrWaifuTaker
@MrWaifuTaker Год назад
I quit being a weeb and a gamer.
@HeroHei
@HeroHei Год назад
WHAT
@amergingiles
@amergingiles Год назад
You found a cure?
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS!!!!
@narusuke413
@narusuke413 Год назад
WHAAAAT
@Arcademan09
@Arcademan09 Год назад
*sees profile picture The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
@huntforbigfloptober1333
@huntforbigfloptober1333 Год назад
She clearly knows as much about animation as she knows about properly cutting bangs
@billmelater6470
@billmelater6470 Год назад
At least she isn't playing a ukulele. Otherwise yes, she's obscuring her response by being overly verbose.
@psychopathIDIOT
@psychopathIDIOT Год назад
also reminder that when people say "this anime drawn with AI" the first thing people will think is the kind of AI that stole from artist and not the one that used to fill the inbetween of animation frames. one of those programs is leeches of other artist works, the other one is only determining the frame inbetween 2 frames. the program to fill inbetween of animation has existed far longer than the current AI technology, and it's far less malicious in it's operation.
@gamesgambit9340
@gamesgambit9340 Год назад
She is still calling ghosting A.I
@tjfvyf255
@tjfvyf255 4 месяца назад
If she doesnt like the manga "changes" by the angle change. Wait till she learns about ghost stories dub 💀
@pokemonsonicgirl123
@pokemonsonicgirl123 Год назад
I've seen digital artists get accused by using AI as well.
@LeeroyPorkins
@LeeroyPorkins Год назад
She gonna play a ukelele next?
@hossammlaiha7889
@hossammlaiha7889 4 месяца назад
mappa employees who haven't seen there families and saw 15 of there colleagues commit suicide over the frames looking at this shit: *am i a fucking joke to you?*
@ryantheanimator1156
@ryantheanimator1156 Год назад
Anime and animation in general has been using "ghosting effect" as part of compositing during speed and rapid movement like forever, this woman is a certified tourist who knew nothing about the animation process.
@keithrowsell6847
@keithrowsell6847 5 месяцев назад
Sounds to me like she's been talking to an animator and repeats what she heard, but lacks knowledge to back it all up and understand the information properly.
@jimmyjams8410
@jimmyjams8410 3 месяца назад
She was so condescending, like she's already completely correct😭
@Doktah_Zari
@Doktah_Zari Год назад
Proof how none art or animation majors don't know how art or animation works. 🤦🏾
@Honestboxer680
@Honestboxer680 4 месяца назад
"You can be right, ah you're right, YOU'RE SO RIGHT!"
@Solscaderty
@Solscaderty 4 месяца назад
I know the Porygon (the red and blue flashing pokemon ep) thing was serious, but hearing that being brought up again.. I didnt know it started the whole fucking ghosted frame law. It just kinda sucks how my entire childhood anime was involved with (accidentally) destroying some children's lives. its like a jump scare, getting reminded of that. I remember seeing that once.
@xolololo
@xolololo Год назад
When the essay requires 500 words and you're stuck at 300
@wanterofjustice3878
@wanterofjustice3878 Год назад
This is why you should never trust a person that quote did a lot of research and talked with an unnamed “expert.” I guarantee there wasn’t a single citation of her or the “expert” she spoke to. I’m no Sherlock Holmes but I think her mission is to pick apart anime as a whole. Why? Because there’s an invested interest. Either she is a low tier comic book artist and or writer who knows she doesn’t hold a candle against anime/manga or close friends are likely the above mentioned. Trust me she’s not the first nor the last as American comics slow fade into the background. It’s sad really that they’ve become this desperate.
@davidkim2016
@davidkim2016 Год назад
anyone woke wont have their logic and facts straight
@masavant
@masavant Год назад
The issues she has are as follows: - The inability to understand the creation of general animation. - The inability to understand the process of deconstruction i.e. the process of isolating techniques and formats used to construct a frame/scene. - The inability to translate storyboard media into motion media.
@hirushaliyanage9018
@hirushaliyanage9018 3 месяца назад
meanwhile the mappa animators are working relentlessly
@manleeahaja6283
@manleeahaja6283 3 месяца назад
Its crazy how people are accusing stuff without proof💀
@CarlosChacon-p4p
@CarlosChacon-p4p 3 месяца назад
The anime animation is SO good that they thought it was ai
@Personontheinternet4598
@Personontheinternet4598 Год назад
Pinny for the winny
@SnipeMAD
@SnipeMAD 3 месяца назад
Accusing animators for something is such a freak not knowing how hardworking they job is, specially with a strict deadlines, i can't imagine this woman creating a content for such a small detail of animation frame acussing they are using AI?! Hahaha she's crazy..
@Style_224
@Style_224 Год назад
L take with l accusations
@kaleknelson8429
@kaleknelson8429 Год назад
She doesn't know what she's talking about. Even some of the oldest animated dinsey movies have ghost frames, becausee blending frames allows the animetain to appear more seamless. and CG animation isn't doen with AI. Atleast not currently. It's understandable that she'd get some info that includes AI in her research if she just started researching this, because outlets won't shut up about AI animation. But the sad thing is, she didn't even consider that changing a camera angle in animation could be the result of a simpler to draw pose, which would reduce the time spent on animation. which if a studio is dealing with crunch, is definately happening. The proof is in the fact that Mappa in particular did this on other projects like Attack on Titan which they also fixed in the Blueray.
@Vinci480
@Vinci480 Год назад
Ok 3 Things I want to say to this. 1. I feel like the Animator she talked to isn't doing animation anywhere near Anime or maybe not even in 2D. Furthermore the animator most likely also isn't familiar with the animation culture and differences in Broadcasting and general Laws in Japan, which at times can get really fucky and convoluted. So, the animator probably said everything correct to to the best of their knowledge, which in this case wasn't appropriate in that case and is more used in different situations. 2. I also feel when she did her research she probably skimmed through the information on Frame Interpolation, Frame Generation, Frame Rates, etc. It can be quite confusing at time but if you really take a serious look at that stuff, there is a lot of information that just clicks, once you understand it. For example then she would have also learned that you wouldn't use Ai specifically to create those Ghosted/Interpolated Frames. For one, you can just easily do that with normal software, you don't need any bigger Ai or Deep learning model (of course the quality can be improved with Ai) and second that given that Anime like Cartoons are broadcasted in a set Frame rate that doesn't change. So you wouldn't need to use Ai to fill in gaps that could much easier be cut, changed in duration, adjusted or given less priority in the animation work. You would much rather use Ai to try to fill gaps that you couldn't fix with a much simpler and nicer approach, for example Nvidias Frame Generation in Gaming is made to give a much smoother gaming experience by generating "fake frames" so that the felt input is much nicer than a stocky 30 frames game would be. 3. I feel most people really don't take a serious and complex look at the ".... became too mainstream" situation. If an entertainment style doesn't gain interest over its course of its life span, it WILL die at some point. This is not only seen in Entertainment but can be also applied to many other things in life like for example with Candle Wax on Letters which is basically just kept alive by like 5 people on the global scale where 4 out of those are from the UK Royal family probably. Furthermore to have any real progression and improvement of any Art form, you need growth. Otherwise progression and competitiveness dies off and you wouldn't have animation studios trying to one up each animation the next seasons. But the real crux of the issue would be money. If your field, doesn't grow you can get limited in resources very quickly, let alone loose the needed manpower. The Anime business is not some Ai machine that can continue with 0 interests, its run by people and their passion. If your company works in a field which is going downhill, it becomes much harder to justify the hiring and keeping of talent. Everywhere in the business, and given that the Anime industry has also a huge issue with crunching like the gaming industry, there needs to be enough room for people to create new sectors and support for people who want to create something better. Like how indie gaming has been booming the last few years with game tools becoming easier and easier, to the point that big studios get called "Money Greedy Corporate Shells" and Indie Devs get quoted as something better. Anime won't have that if it doesn't try to grow and appeal to a bigger audience. Does that mean Anime should become completely void of any risks and just do what sells well? No. But Anime like Gaming, could much easier make those Anime with proper risk and themes, etc. if the audience is big enough and its worth to have people dedicated to those projects. Think of it like this: If there are 10 anime watchers in the world and one of them loved Isekais or Mech anime, and the other 9 hate it. Why should a Anime Studio focus on that 1 person instead of the other 9? This is not Law, this is entertainment and it needs to sell to support the Studio. But if the 1 out of 10 becomes 10.000 out of 1.000.000, you can really say that there is a need and market for that stuff. If you don't like your own Hobby becoming more popular and try to gate keep it, you shoot yourself in the foot, and do it often enough and it will catch up to you. And then no one has anime. Anyway thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Also obviously its much more complex to that, but I just wanted to give some food for thought, instead of leaving the topics black and white.
@Shiirow
@Shiirow Год назад
she released an 'apology' video where she sits for 10min being sorry she was caught spreading bullshit by a bunch of evil misogynists, who only attacked her because she was woman.
@IqroJunio
@IqroJunio Год назад
2:02 as someone who worked a lot in video encoding, and have tried a.i frame interpolation myself, she is completely wrong, the ghosting is the result of traditional non-a.i frame intepolation mode called "frame blending", and it they actuall use a.i frame interpolation, theres shouldnt be ghosting, but instead, a morphing of image might happen. 6:38 yes she has her point and i dont disagree, a.i is a helpful tool, i do 3d animation a lot, and a.i powered rendering is a blessing, it reduced rendering time by 90%. 8:48 "it could be the result of ai gone wrong" she added her own opinion to it💀...no mam, its just frame interpolation, its the previous frame *fading* into the next frame, you dont need any ai to do that, and theres nothing "gone wrong", it was intended to be ghosting, the purpose of the ghost is to reduce eye strain and seizure.
@JayMehKay
@JayMehKay Год назад
TL;DR: idiotic TikTok user learns what Tween[ed] and Tween[ing] frames [is], assumes it’s AI and clearly knows nothing about animation
@princessarnasan3725
@princessarnasan3725 3 месяца назад
Let's be honest, AI can't make that good of an art character without extra limbs
@Zentron
@Zentron Год назад
Ghosting is a result of the double exposure on frames bleeding into the next, due to the animation rates and playback rates being slightly different, just get any animated show from the last 60 years and play it... you'll see the exact same ghosting effect!
@filthygarbage
@filthygarbage Год назад
calling their work ai is a huge insult
@bestboi2945
@bestboi2945 Год назад
Or a compliment if you look at it differently
@m1ntyuu
@m1ntyuu Год назад
@@bestboi2945it will never be a compliment. AI is always ugly or missing very important anatomy. As an animator myself I would be furious if someone told me my animation is AI. It never has and never will be a compliment. End of story.
@localmenace3043
@localmenace3043 Год назад
@@bestboi2945Being told that YOU didn’t create something - that you had to rely on an AI to make it - will NEVER be a compliment.
@sadrakeyhany7477
@sadrakeyhany7477 Год назад
@@m1ntyuu I think he meant a compliment towards the company for having such an advanced A.I, if AI could draw like this I'd honestly be impressed.
@leeperkillz5397
@leeperkillz5397 Год назад
she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. also theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
@ZiomekDuszek
@ZiomekDuszek Год назад
I will say that. if AI was capable of doing that shit ? WHY NO ONE USES IT GIVE ME THAT QUALITY ON DAILY BASICS ! ! !
@voidboi1331
@voidboi1331 3 месяца назад
The whole onion skin being a mistake thing is completely untrue. I have some animation experience, so I would like to provide my input. Onion skins exist for smoother frame transition, usually in scenes with lots of movement to keep animation from looking choppy.
@colt1903
@colt1903 Год назад
Damn.😂 I'm laughing but... That poor, poor woman😂
@rinyami
@rinyami Год назад
One she a cosplayer not animator and two Mappa is in japan not America so she lying about talking to them and two she has zero proof of it .
@alina_banina
@alina_banina Год назад
Some people like to pretend thst they are experts at something when they're clearly not. She got what she deserved.
@otakudaikun
@otakudaikun Год назад
Now people are gonna start calling any automated tools AI.
@rockytheblackdragon
@rockytheblackdragon Год назад
Is she insane?
@La-nx8jk
@La-nx8jk Год назад
Same vibe from a kid saying you are a hacker in pvp.
@evergaolbird
@evergaolbird Год назад
Ghosting is nothing new back when 1080i was the META in the late 90s (yes not 1080p) broadcasting companies used interpolation which introduced the same effects of "transparent onions" to save bandwidth when televising live broadcasts running in 60 FPS. Meaning the videos were 30 FPS but due to interpolation they are displayed as if it is 60 FPS. Interpolation used to be the standard from the 90s even before 720p/1080i became the standard in displays in CRT monitors/TV panels. You don't need AI to generate these in between ghosting effects to fool the eyes of fluid motion.
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