Should Jasper Philipsen be DISQUALIFIED for THIS Sprint? Tour de France 2023 Stage 3 

Same , it happened in the past where tired Mind is saying go, but other half , break. Not worth it . Btw it was sneaky squeeze , deserve relegation . Gino was not enough guys , for this month ?

我感觉Wout只是累了，没力气去争什么了……这是我的看法

​@@antoinedoinellYou don't win if you're dead either...

​@@antoinedoinell?

I don’t agree with antithat as it’s up to the rider what to do. I applaud his ability to contain himself, but wouldn’t fault him if he did go for it

Beyond this, the whole world knows this was a cowardly way to win. If this was F1 and you win by forcing your opponent to either crash possibly killing you both or stop racing to avert disaster you have 'won' a hollow victory.

@@wraith8323 That was Verstappen's whole MO a few years ago lol Not so much now with the best car... Still, agreed.

If your goal is to protect the riders you must not place the finish of a sprint behind a curve. Apart from that, the barriers were not placed properly. The organization is in the wrong more than Philipsen and they realized that.

Agreeeeeed. Don't even like WvA but ya he didn't leave any space

​@@wraith8323tell me the penalty perez got this weekend when pushing max on wet grassbat 20pmph... Ill wait

The problem is that ASO, the TdF organisation, doesn't follow all the UCI rules. ASO feels/is superior to UCI, because they have more money.

More like 200m at least.

Yes great idea have lane lines on the road like the finish of an 800m running race. This way the commissaires can read if cyclists are deviating from their line.

I think you are absolutely right, last years with showed that clearer rules and saver finishes are indeed needed

Flanders the heart of cycling.

Sponsors and politicians decide on the layout in stead of safety officers, thats for sure practice since the wheel was invented.

@@r3drum3k92 once there was a loveparade in duisburg. they wanted to sell more drinks and tried to funnel 1mio people through a 4 lane tunnel. many people died. no one took any responsibility. i was 100m in front of that tunnel and climed the fence to the side. that was the day i lost my believe in humanity.

I agree apart from mountain/hill finishes as they will be significantly slower

*All tour sprint stages

@@Rev-tech_ Good point. I’ll edit my comment.

The rule allows you to follow the line which means if there is a bend you are allowed to diagonally lean in to the bend. The rule also states no bends in the last 200m but here we are.

Even more, 350-400... Might be hard to find proper sites though.

Agreed - Philipsen definitely endangered Wout by deviating.

Agreed. This is why WvA is my favorite rider. He’ll race any time, any course, any conditions. He’s got the power and the brains. Knowing when to pull up on a sprint is another level of road savviness.

There's no way that wasn't intentional. It's a very old dirty trick.

Agree!

@@skylerschwendeman He didn't deviate though. He's following the white line with little deviation and then the barrier suddenly encroaches across the line, which is why he nearly crashes into it himself.

Yup he definitely did it on purpose to block him he was Gazz, Ewan and Bahrain were catching up.

Nonsense

He was so focused on blocking the inside gap that he nearly crashed himself into the barriers. Wtf?

@@kristianflamsted9038 WVA can't beat the top sprinters.

Idk, it wasn’t philipsens fault the barriers stuck out as far as they did.

Yep, could’ve been an horrible accident similar to Fabio jakobsens….at those speeds ….

@scpython1 YEP,the officials would of hada very hard time doin the right thing,they took the easy way out,and it was wrong.

“ then crash yourself “ you saw a different race buddy , van art was on his right and another rider could of fit in that space to the barrier ! Did Phillipsen hit a barrier ? Did van art hit the barrier ? What are you saying guy ? Just toxic

Ya’ll talking like can art literally hit the barrier 😂 , ya’ll sound like a bunch a pre crash with sagan cavendish’s right now

No gifts but robbing someone is fine? He tried to slam the door but wasn't in position to do so.

Sounds to me like he got something wrong. It's the tour, which is a bike race. Not a place to put others in unnecessary danger.

So he wants Wout to hold his line, they both go down and take out half the field. Sure, I haven't raced a bike in my life but I don't like seeing half the field taken out by an unfair move. If he wants to close the gate, he needs to be good enough to be a length in front. He wasn't, didn't deserve the win.

Because if the relegate him, who would they pick to win the stage?

@@frankburn6312 Bauhaus of course. Still unfortunate for Wout, but at least Philipsen isn't rewarded for riding like that.

yes

of course lol they would probably have sent him home

Yep, too much outrage then.

@scpython1 the rule is not clear, that's the problem

Yep

Well said Sir❤

you sad it

It's as if ASO is looking for controversy... The finish bends to the right so of course Philipsen is is trying to find the shortest way. But look at he white line on the road, there is room until the boarding is placed half a meter into the road. Very dangerous finish indeed.

​@@scroobiussvenson7679 exactly!

100 % agree the tour is a joke on this point, seemling not caring at all for the riders safety. thank god nothing happen. Van Aart did the right thing. IMO Phillipsen should not be disqualified, but the disqualification of Skjelmose yesterday seems like a huge joke comparing to todays sprint.

The biggest fault here lies on the organisators for putting a curve in the final 200 meters of the sprint imo. Jacobsen never would have deviated like that had he not have to take a turn at full speed.

Not being spatially aware is your fault that could have caused accidents. The barriers are in a straight line but the road and road marking runs in a curve. He looks as if he’s following the marking.

Like, literally? :D

It's ASO organisation though but yeah you're right.

🤩👍. Lousy set up of the courses fences. DQ the course design.

​@@ShotodoreNo... Not literally...

Only if it was Cav. Because Cav would have went crying to the officials.

Zzzzzzz ... 6 years later and the Sagan fanboys - cryboys rather - still haven't resolved their childhood trauma. Lately I've had to verify my age through ID verification here on RU-vid. Hasn't that been requested to you?

@@UbzUnclemax hahahahahhaha you actually verified your ID to a company that only earns money through selling personal data. how to discredit yourself in one comment. lmao

@scpython1 ngl I've seen you on every tdf comment section in YT spamming this lol

@@lwlwlwwl 🤣🤣🤣

you can tell by the reaction from WVA.

like in F1 😒

@@andersbjrnskov8130 Yeah stewards in F1 are way harsher on the bottom half of the field. At this point Magnussen getting shown the meatball flag while other drivers are allowed to go on their merry ways has become a meme.

@scpython1 shut. Up.

It’s not deviation when the road is winding.

2.3.036 "Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the LANE they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.” Jasper launches. Chooses his LANE which is a breadth of road in front of him NOT a narrow line. he then moves incidentally within that lane. if wout was endangered it was by the barrier and he has a responsibility to position himself better within his own lane. insane that people expect these guys to maintain a 10cm line while putting out 1800 watts in the most competitive hectic sprints of the season. it's not the rule. jasper did not make an illegal sweeping move or chop wout. you're mistaken. legal sprint case closed.

If there is a bend, the lane is bendy..

@@fanda6122 Jasper started in the middle of the road and pushed all the way to the barrier to the point that he almost hit it. The whole team as he is moving over, he is push Wout closer and closer to the barrier until Wout has no room. How can Wout 'position himself better' if he has zero room to move? He had his lane next to the barrier, Jasper took a route that cut right up to touching distance of the barrier.

Philipsen has the excuse of the bend

Indeed. And what about Ewan? Ewan is doing exactly the same as Skjelmose did yesterday.

@@invisiblescout6335 It has no excuse, after the bend he could have rided forward and he kept pushing to the right side like showed on the video, i talked to my friends before the video of LR came out and said the same thing. I'm glad WVA played it safe because this could have been a serious accident if he continued pushing, i think the decision for Philipsen was mantained because Wout wouldn't win either way and because of that Jumbo didn't seem interested in contest. Either way the barriers positioning is shit either way and that's something they need to improve, god bless nothing happened.

@@goozerboozer8543yes, actually Ewan had less space and still made the move

what does relegated means sent home?

Hot take: he starts his sprint on the left half of the road & ends it near the right hand barrier, with Wout next to him most of that sprint.

@@ReverzEffect yes but the road curves a lot, blame the race organizers.

here here

Agreed, doesn't just wait for his team or race director to make calls. Goes on instinct a lot of the time and I love seeing that!

and a good friend, Pogi went immediately to congratz his ex-team-mate. I never see a humble champion like him.

And mocked WvA yesterday. What a humble champion lmao

@@Lapsontheboy Just a quick obnoxious grammar point, it's "Hear, Hear". Old english saying for "Listen to what the speaker has to say". A term of Agreement :)

I saw that as well

I wonder if fans moved the barriers around or something. The barriers didn't seem very smooth.

this actually makes a lot of sense to me, i see exactly what you mean..

I think he clearly deviated badly, to the point of almost running into the barriers himself. He clearly tried to impede Wout. He should have been relegated. That was very dangerous and shouldn't be forgiven. He's a pro. He knows how to hold a line with or without road markers.

100% right on that.

If the UCI wants to get real about protecting riders, this parcours shouldn't have been accepted.

@@hoi6170 he had plenty of chance not to do it. He knew what he was doing. Wasn’t the parkour, it was a calculated decision. You see them do it all the time.

Your acceptance that he "aimed for the apex" admits he did nothing wrong. WvA tried diving into a closing gap. Lead rider has the right to pick their line into a corner. 🤷‍♂️

@@adamjd7645 Yeah he does. I think it's a grey area though, as I don't think you should be able to aim tight to the apex with someone half a wheel on your inside, and be aware of it. It looked like he was aware of Wout before he took that line, but of course he could say he wasn't, and also, the rules are a little ill-defined and let him do that even if he was aware. That's all I meant. That's almost moot though, as I think it was even worse after the apex.

Exactly. Wout was smart getting the jump for the Apex, and Philipsen just cut him off. If Wout kept going, he would have been smashed into the barriers just before the line aswell. Very dirty riding considering you could see him look at Wout beforehand.

zero chance wva comes around him before the line jasper is the best sprinter in the world for the past 3 seasons. incidental movement within the chosen LANE (NOT LINE) after the sprint is launched is legal read the rule. he has zero obligation to let wva squeeze through the barrier that jutted out. choose a better line if you're wva bc the finish was technical and also changed and the whole peloton was aware of it. or ya know be in front and then none of this is relevant??? alpecin leadout was perfect and the best man won simple as that. intentionality is irrelevant because what he did neither impeded wout from passing him (he wouldnt have) nor endangered him wout has a responsibility to position himself in the front more safely.

@@fanda6122 Wout started sprinting earlier to get the inside, and he did. Philipsen looked to his right, saw Wout coming and closed his line, which is completely unfair. At the time, Wout was also going slightly faster than Philipsen, and having the inside line, he most likely would have won. Not to mention, Philipsen harshly turns right just before the line. if Wout was there, a big crash would have happened...

@@fanda6122 Talk about motivated reasoning...it's obvious your unrequited love for Jasper has clouded your vision and power of discernment. None of your arguments make any sense. Moving away from his lead out 15 feet to the right after spotting Wout coming up on his side was not "incidental", and Jasper doesn't get to "choose" the whole road as his "LANE(NOT LINE)". "Choose a better line"???, it's obvious it doesn't matter what line anyone chooses if Jasper the disaster is in the same finishing sprint and he spots you, because he's going to do whatever he can to use the barriers as his silent stationary teammate and push you into them knowing they can't and won't move until he pushes someone into them all the way. If the Alpecin lead out was so perfect why did Jasper need the whole road to block other riders on both sides of it....because that's the kind of rider he is....happy to be dangerously unfair to his fellow competitors. He was more interested in blocking other riders he knew could beat him to the line, than staying tucked in behind his "perfect lead out". To say what Jasper did neither impeded nor endangered Wout means you're simply blind, and then following that up with an even dumber statement about Wout's responsibility to position himself in the front more safely...that's really about as stupid as it gets.

@@darmaggi maybe you should watch figure skating because that seems more your speed bro. it was an s chicane maybe there is movement but he is not required to allow wout up the barriers. you are a grown man making assumptions about an athletes character who you've never met based on a hectic 2000watt sprint. cry more beta male.

The road is not straight and became smaller towards the end. He followed a straight line on a road with 2 bends before the finish

@@harmen1832 Pause it when he sits up - he is then in the middle measuring between the barriers. Pause when he passes the goal line - he is then next to the barrier. I agree the parkour was difficult when barriers don't follow the road paint but if the rules were enforced he should have been DQ'd.

@@morellish that is also because the finish was narrower than the road before the finish. The barriers move inwards the closer they get to the finish.

Yeah, so many idiots saying that Wout 'had space' and 'gave up' to justify that he wasn't cut off. Did he need to keep sprinting and be pushed into the barrier in order for people to take it seriously? It's like he is being punished for preserving his own safety.

Nah... they'll burn the next guy. JF got a gift

because the road curves. there's no rule about staying in the lane. it's abt staying in ur racing line.

​@@sudsehun76wrong. 3.2.045 A rider starting the sprint outside the sprinters’ lane may not drop into that lane if it is already occupied by his opponent unless there is a clear cycle-length lead. Also, count the bike widths using the white light as a reference. Watch 6:30-6:50

@@letsgetbusychild again, u completely missed the point, 'the road curves'. he didn't drop into another lane 'because the road curves'.

Phillipsen deserved to win. He was faster. Wout made a big gamble with his line. He must seen that curve and the bend on right side of the road. So Wout thought that he could outsprint Jasper and be first in the bend. If so, Jasper needed to go left and take the longer line. In that case Wout could maybe win but he lost the sprint to that bend and backed off. He knew that he had lost. Wout did not even protest so much because he know that his gambe did not pay off. Why did Wout try this? Well, he knows that in straight line sprint he cannot win Jasper and the other real sprinters. Wout is not pure sprinter, so he had to try something else. It did not pay off, Jasper read his game and took the win.

​@@sudsehun76 Philipsen starts on the left half of the road & ends next to the right hand barrier. He declared after the finish just took the most straight line to the finish... you're not supposed to ride a straight LINE but a straight LANE. If you start left & finish right you are never staying in your lane, bends or not.

Actually the recent Macron-Xi summit was to discuss the details of sending Sagan to prison in China in the event that he swerves off his line in a sprint.

​@@paulevans6403lmao 💀

Even so, when it steighten up, he still closed to right!!! Get your eyes checked.

Yeah, it's almost like Wout should have just let the crash happen to make it clearer. Now he is being punished for backing off.

@@arandombard1197 Yeah, funny enough that MVDP got relegated on yesterday's sprint finish. So, you at least need to make contact to make it count, obviously.

The problem with bends like this is that Philipsens fastest way to the line is taking the apex as much as possible. Sprint stages need a straight finish and from what I've seen so far there was no reason to have the finish being that bendy.

@@ForeverDayGreen I 100% agree that the finish should be straight. But how can we get the organisers to change the course? Everyone saying "it should be straight" is not working. I think that if there were a high profile relegation it would leave a sour note in everyones mouth. It would be a bad look for the organisers, sponsors, teams and locals which might finally be enough to get things to change. Currently just the fans being upset is not enough to change things.