Should Teams Always Foul Up 3 At the End of a the Game? 

glad to see JJ still killing this job interview process

“2-2 is a whole lot better than 3-1. Trust me, I know.” - Lebron James

Who’s here after the pacers didn’t foul the Celtics in game one of the ECF

"Yup." - LBJ

Barkley said the exact same thing…you can’t let NBA guys cross mid court without fouling in that situation.

The real strategy is using your last 3 players on the roster to foul 18 times straight to take the other team out of rhythm and let you rest on defense

Getting this recommended today is crazy

This seems more and more like a coaching job interview👀 😂

new drinking game: take a shot every time Bron says "yep".

i do this in 2k

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, But I legit think this podcast is really an interview for the Lakers head coaching job with LeBron 😂

Lebron looking like lebron on a podcast looking at JJ reddick looking like a coach that looks like they’re doing a job interview.

The Great Debate. For me, I would always foul up three. Just can’t take the chance with these great scorers of today.

Thank you both. I’ve always admired each of you. And I hope you’re able to continue these podcasts. I think you’re both brilliant.

I've seen playoff games, even finals games, lost when teams didn't foul in that situation. 2008 title game, Memphis' players were told to foul up 3 before KU passed halfcourt. They didn't get a foul on the ballhandler so Rose and the team fell back into regular defense and Chalmers hit the 3 to go to OT and win.

I hate when shooters kick their legs out and fall down

Hey! Great talk, I could watch you guys all day!

I love these conversations between Bron and his coach

"yep"

These episodes looking like JJ interviewing for Lakers HC job.

JJ is auditioning for his coaching job rn

It's awesome that a player of bron's caliber is willing to deeply take you through his thought process in specific moments, a side we would never of otherwise seen. Really cool stuff. Hate him or love him, he's a top 2 of all time in most people's eyes, and I appreciate him doing this

Well well well

so relevant for the bucks pacers game 1 thats crazy

whos here after celtics W in game 1 vs pacers

It’s smart but it takes the excitement out of so many games

Well well well, Pacers, what do we have here?

@lebron & @JJreddick can y’all hire some one that can show us the plays in animation so we can get more knowledge. I am sure you can get few animation graduates to work as an intern and help them get a start. Much love keep it going. FYI warriors fan but knowledge is knowledge. Thanks

This is a public job interview 😂

This aged well (not sarcastic)

Love Lebron and JJs chemistry on this show!

The next thing to muck this up should be every body practicing bouncing their second free throw off the rim. It's not easy, but is it harder than hitting contested three off the dribble? Not if they work as much on it, knowing the other team may foul up three.

Up 3, the worst thing that can happen if you don't foul is a tie.. worst thing that can happen by fouling is lose by 1.

What game was JJ talking about at the end?

i always asked my self as a kid in the 90s why this was never really done, even in the middle of the game not neccessarily only @ the stretch... ofc foul trouble etc but its still an exploit you could pull off anytime to shave off opponents pts.

Funny that this is getting recommended after the Pacers-Celtics Game 1 😂

Remembering specific instances introduces bias as we recall shots that were made more than shots that were missed. If you foul a 90% FT shooter, they have an 81% to hit both shots. You can let a 40% 3pt shooter take a shot, but if its contested it should be less than 40%. If you're down three, foul them. If you're down two, you are giving them an 81% chance to tie it vs a 40% chance (or less) to win it. Its a tough call.

Imo an intentional foul up 3 in the last minute should be a tech. 1 shot and ball

I was talking about this playing 2K with my homies 😂

Here after Pacers didn’t foul in Game 1 ECF

Yes Dude!! 2 Primary Defenders.... 1 guy on the baller.... move them to the sides... and 2nd Guy Leading. Near the Net. Watch if ball goes to which side. Go opposite side. V-Bounce. Missed shots. For rebound.

the best example is definetly game 6 2013 nba finals when kawhi missed the free throw that would extend the lead to 4 pts and instead of fouling and winning another possibility to extend the lead with 5 secs remaining they let miami finishing the possesion and ray allen hit the shot

Pacers don’t learn

Lebron talkin like the taxi driver from the Key and Peele skit

I think it depends on the overall iq of team up 3, but if it starts looking weird then foul!

ahh, I did learn something ... (1:32) foul on the downward dribble Steal on the downward dribble too! 😁 I only "run through the ball" when I'm not playing , ghost hunter mode ... run right through. Looking for the foul ... up by 3. Cant find the foul ... its a Phantom Foul!

The issue with always fouling is you also have to make fts. The pressure is on both teams. I believe In getting one stop

This aged well quick . Boston vs Pacers game 1 with 8 seconds left . JB hits the 3 to send it to OT

Yup!

Charlles Barkley definitely agrees lol

To me, this all depends on how much time is left. Let’s say you’re up 3 with 20 seconds left and you start the foul game..there’s just too many opportunities for you to eventually miss a ft or two. I’m not big on giving away free points. In this situation you may end up fouling/being fouled 5 times before the game is over.

Gone give jj this lake show job

Grea8:34 great shot by Fisher

Analytically, it makes sense to foul up 3. But it does take away the excitement of the end game. I understand it as a player, but as a viewer, I want to see a game tying 3 and not a foul.

Literally I always do that in 2k y'all better make them free ones

Depends on how good your free throw shooters are

The blackjack analogy by LeBron James was terrible. A skilled blackjack player will hit or not hit with a 12 against a dealer’s 2 based on the running count and sometimes one may hit and other times may not hit. That player probably wouldn’t want you at the table instead.

The worst case scenario is a tie if you allow a 3-pt attempt down 3 and avoid fouling. If you foul intentionally with more than like 5 seconds left, you better have players who can make the FTs when fouled back. If they make 2, and you miss 1 or both, then you can lose on a 3 or even 2. That's happened plenty of times too.

Brin really teach him how to be his coach

I had made this statement with the dallas last series...and it worked. They are up 2-1

Some would say being up 2 and opponent has the ball foul the other teams worst free throw shooter and force them to make 2 free throws 💡

This is one of the topics that I think highlights the skill difference in players today vs back in the day and why even the best coaches lose touch with some of the finer points of the game as they age and the game evolves. You didnt have 6'3 guys that scared you from 37 feet out in crunch time, let alone a 6'8 forward thats not even considered an elite player. Guys today, particularly the b and c tier players are just so far beyond the skill of the b/c tier players 20-40 years ago. Of course most older guys will never acknowledge that and will claim they could have done it even though they never practiced it like these guys have (guys like Larry Bird are honest though and tell you the average player is more skilled today.) Carlisle was an elite coach at one time and hes still a great coach, but hes just not as good as he once was because he hasnt fully adapted to the times. Thats why him and Luka butted heads and he got fired from Dallas. Its why Kerr took Golden State where Mark Jackson couldn't and so on and so forth

if every coach had their players foul up 3. It would make the game a lot more boring

Any shots of Legone Brains quitting with five minutes left on the clock and walking off the court?

I find it crazy if JJ the lakers head coach, can they still continue the podcast or nah ?

Run thru. Push them off PG. Push them to the siide!!

Plot twist: it's the job interview for the lakers.

Should foul is a little different than did foul with refs putting away their whistles, or the other team moving the ball faster than you can get to them. That Houston-Dallas ending near the end of the regular season was a perfect example. The Rockets obviously wanted to foul but first the refs wouldn’t call one in the backcourt, then the Mavs were fast enough with the ball that they got Dante Exum an open 3 before anyone could bear hug somebody. Swish, overtime.

Pacers vs Celtics Game 1…. This aged well

Malone ticked me off a few years back, Lillard and company were killing Denver with 3s in the 4th quarter and Denver was up 3 with 10 seconds left and they didn't foul. They tied the game, won it in OT and Denver ended up losing the series. It just made no sense to me.

I Really Really hope these two run the Lakers cause it sounds like we’ll have synergy between the coaching, team and …….us Laker fans…..We had nothing but confidence with Phil Jackson with the Lakers in the past…..the team had synergy and…………we fans felt it too and it’s a beautiful thing.

I think it purely depends on how good of a FT shooting team you are. For a team like the Lakers, with multiple high mins dudes under 80%, I wouldn't foul and just play straight up.

Perfect X.!! Fave. Left shoot Guard. Has the ball. Right Shoot Guard pulls in. Has Rebound Dunk. Or a backfiekd in and disrupt tje defense to move. Or a Perfdct shot as ball runs in for a pass. Or X can run that layup as well. Bzckup to pass to. Yall stuck on 3 Line.

Guys are too great nowadays they can hit shots from the logo

LeYep

Reverse!! Power Dunk!! Rebound Swatter.!!!

nba will give out 3 FT for those situations sooner or later. like if this happens in the last minute of 4th, or if a team just went up 3 if they foul soon after. its pretty much an exploit until they will put the boot to it

As a fan, I hate it. As a strategy, I get it

I always wonder why teams didn’t do this. I remember specially yelling for Pop to do this game 6 of the 2013 finals if I’m not mistaken.

It seems like overall teams aren't using as much strategy throughout games, just relying on 'balling-out', abandoning matchups strategy, pace, switching, defending by zone with spy on ball ideas. If you play pick-up basketball 'styles', you get same results, but even pick-up game basketball will at times have guys plan a strategy to hold court. Clippers for example had a lot of young players who should already know what strategies are to fill minutes of injured and exhausted players. Not sure if Harden can fit unless he's in a structured team that he understands his role, but he needs the ball to be dangerous. He's a #6 therefore, but he may lose his desire accepting that. Westbrook sacrificed and the Clippers were worse when Westbrook was told to be #6. On some teams he should have been #6, but not on Clippers. So Westbrook should look to a trade with more honest coaching. I like Coach Lue, very much. But Harden would be more effective running a second unit in a team with young long guys with a starting unit that runs the break, then his comes in an does halfcourt razzle dazzle. Bron, Westbrook and PG of KD should come to San Antonio. Do you know how great the food is in San Antonio? Ask Barkley. He says you measure the average lady hiny to know where the best food is!! Bring your yardstick!

JJ clearly has the Xs and Os down, but he’s not ready to handle a bunch of grown ass divas

I'm so proud of JJ in his interview with Lebron. He's gonna make such a great scapegoat when lebron fails to deliver on next year's promises.

This is why imo brunsons shot shouldnt be criticized the way it is. Not only did he actually get fouled but he was wxpecting them to foul it was the exact situation bron is talking about. Refs didnt call it either way but what he did was correct.

Can you cover Klutch sports paying media to control the narrative

Defintiely gotta foul, but I wish it wasn't a thing. Keeps the end of games more exciting when there's no foul.

Bron saying he'd foul in that situation when they clearly should've fouled j. Murry in that last game they played is wild to me. If they had fouled Jamaal they would've had almost 20 sec on the clock to either win or tie.

He has a young Pat Riley's look and ability to analyze and teach the game. Can he be demanding and earn the respect of the players?

Pacers not fouling AGAIN

This podcast really highlights the difference between people who are experts on Basketball(players and coaches) , casual fans ,and the Stephen A. Smiths of the world. It's why Stephen A. can go at JJ's podcast the way he wants because what LeBron and JJ are talking about is over his head

"Right" - Shannon Sharpe

I’m fouling I will not even give the other team a chance to tie the game with a 3

Not fouling up 3 y’all better lock up man

Just make him the coach already!!

"I LeRealized that JJ is smarter than my last several coaches....lets LeHire the LeDude" - LeGM

Look at LeBron enjoying his off-season, so inspiring

Idk i think its risky fouling up 3. Cause then all thats gonna happen is you foul. If they make their 2 free throws what happens when they foul you back? Well hopefully your player makes both too. What happens if a turnover happens now they only down 1 and can take the lead with a 2. Its risky doing that. Thats why you dont do it

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS FOUL UP 3💯ITS EASY 2 SAY "JUST TRUST THE DEFENSE" UNTIL U HAVE LOST A GAME OR 2 BECAUSE OF A FLUKE LUCKY SHOT BY THE OTHER TEAM💔💔IVE LOST 2 MANY GAMES LIKE THAT 2 NOT ALWAYS FOUL😮‍💨 AT LEAST IF WE FOUL THE GAME IS IN OUR CONTROL WE JUS GOTTA HIT FREE THROWS💯IF U LET THE OTHER TEAM TAKE A SHOT ITS LITERALLY A COIN FLIP U NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN...

Y'all saying two shots and ball back are crazy/delusional. It doesn't take away from the game yall just aren't basketball literate enough to enjoy the nuances like these sorts of strategic plays. Now, those abusive foul shots players like harden abused so much that the league nerfed them, those were unhealthy for the game. Y'all are sitting here saying you want the other team to get a free momentum swing and lead because of a foul in the last moments of the 4th? So basically they auto lose. Stop it. They literally show how detrimental it is to allow great shooters open shots, you need to do something to stop it. Hell, shooters are hitting contested shots regularly so in the closing moments of a gsme a foul really could be the best option. As they explained as well, it's somewhat of a gamble. redick literally says they tried that on bron but he read the foul play. It's not some guaranteed bs like a foul shot before the nerf. You're taking a gamble that could pay off or not.

In Europe most of the time this is not even a coaches decision. Players foul automatically. Dont know why in US people have seen fouling like "Dirty Play" for so long. if San Antonio Spurs have fouled Chris Bosh when he got the rebound LeBron might have one ring less.

Coaching in hindsight is a lot easier than coaching in real time.