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It’s sad to see, but good riddance to Intel for their greedy scheme of limiting innovation. I’m thankful as a consumer that both AMD and Apple have finally brought breakthrough technologies while Intel stays in quad core 14nm+++++++++++++
After some of the reviews that I have seen thus far, I would say the only intel macs to get are the ones that don't have the M1 chips and the 16 MBP is a big if.
@@AppleReviews Exactly my point, and if you need a MacOS for some reason, buy a PC with special hardware, and build Hakintosh Have u seen how motherboards of new macs are build ? Like one component, everything is soldered, T2 chip is inside !!! M1 chip, and I'm sure that every other chip is serialized, like Apple love to do. Unless it is a simple fix, like replacing a bad capacitor, there will be no repair for this MacBook line, and SSD will fail after few years.
@@AppleReviews ha ha, I did the same few years ago. I have a Mac anyway because I earn money with it, but for phones I bought an Pixel 2 phone, because expensive iphones are useless for me :D
I am totally with you man. I have a 2019 16" MBP and a 2020 27" iMac. By the time I need to replace these they will have this new generation stuff worked out.
No price of the products have dropped compared to previous price. I bought Mac mini refurbished with i5, 8Gb ram, and 256 ssd for around $1075 but now I can buy nearly same speced Mac mini for $699
Oh this has always been going on with anything Apple. Macs in general on ebay are absurdly priced -- like take this Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro from 2009 with 4 gigs of ram and 256 HDD for $220. Realistically, the "seller" should be paying the "buyer" to haul away the garbage. I'm going to spare the link or else someone might get a funny idea and actually purchase it. Yeah you could upgrade it... but at that point you're dropping another $150 and installing Windows or Linux on it to at least run a modern OS on it. Just drive to your local university and check in the dumpsters and you're bound to find a treasure trove of computers with Core 2 Duos
Dying to sell your Intel-Mac, eh?! Discount of at least -50% !!! ...if not, those who want to sell their used Intel Mac can stick it! 🤪 Bad luck for you guys. Got to call it a loss & keep your overpriced slow duck-units. Ups, but fresh Apple Silicon simply is the better option...
16:00 honestly I hated my 15" for so long cause it's battery lasted like 5-6 hours and the fans sounded like a racehorse when using chrome, and it was a 2019
This last reveal made me switch to pc. Bought and built an $1800 12 core, 8gb gpu 32gb ram. Grew exhausted of apple restrictions. Nice to have control and options for the first time since 2013.
I've been living with a 2015 27" iMac i5 and just bought a Macbook Air 512MB with 8 core GPU - it smokes it but I found out too late you can't use my iMac as a monitor. I'm thinking about selling it for $900-1000 and buying a 27" 4k monitor. Thoughts??
@@jasongoodin I just bought a 28" Samsung 4K monitor for my M1 MacBook Air and it works great. I only paid like $260 for the monitor which I think is a great deal for a good 4K monitor. Here's the monitor I bought: www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-uhd-monitor-displayport-hdmi-dark-gray-blue/6386391.p?skuId=6386391
I got the 8th Gen Intel i7 MacBook Pro 13 and I think it is fast enough for me to do all of my tasks. Plus, I use Bootcamp when I can't run Windows 10 apps on the Mac OS.
That's what I'll be doing. My current Mac is a 2017 MacBook Air, and it still gets the job done. I'll wait till Apple releases the M2 or something named like that :)
@@SandsOfArrakis what i'll do (usually do) buy the M1 macs after the next line comes out so i can buy it cheaper and actually train if there are different mechanics applied to it
But by then, intel macs will be depreciating way more. The maximum value that you can get from your intel mac would be NOW, or no more than next 3 months. In next 6 months, almost all major softwares will have their ARM version released. And when performance benchmark videos come out then, its GAME OVER.
I would enjoy a video discussing the topics of whether to sell the 2019 15" or 16" MBP either due to the potential performance gains of a M1 chip and/ or the need and reliance on x86 applications/ Windows. Thanks man
Just as a point of perspective, please try to remember there are things that the new M1 Macs won’t do: If you use BootCamp, Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox or even Docker, and you want to stay on MacOS (for now) Intel Macs are the only game in town. I can say, as a professional web developer, I can say more than half of my day-to-day professional workflow requires running Linux in a virtual machine, and M1 Macs are not an option.
I've got high end mid 2017 - 15" Macbook Pro. I hate the keyboard and the useless touchbar. I'm really considering to get the Air. Sadly it's price doubled down in those 3 years. I really wonder if this is the right choice to swap. Definitely make the video Luke and may the force be with you.
Gonna try to keep my 6 month old 16” for another couple years till the transition is over and get the 2nd/3rd gen, we will see if I’m able to hold off without caving, my battery degraded super quick though
Sounds bonkers on the battery, you should check your statutory rights even if you did not get Apple care. In the Uk that would count as ‘not fit for the purpose for which it was sold’ and Apple would be liable to repair it
The 16' MacBook Pro is still worth it. It's got the better/bigger screen, faster GPU performance (even with the base model), better speakers and you get Windows 10 legacy support if you intend to run older applications or games that don't work properly on macOS. The new M1s are great and I'm certain in a few years from now no one will ever want to buy an Intel Mac again, but for the time being the 16' still serves a purpose.
Old 2015 Macbook Pro retina is now actually good value for money. Especially for their reliability (no issues except delamination which is just a cosmetic defect), upgradeable storage and still decent battery life. Still using one as my main laptop, no issues whatsoever. If anybody is considering upgrade and decides to buy used Mac, it would be wise to wait till january. Many people buy new machines for christmas and older will be listed for sale.
My 16" MBP serves me well and I am not willing to get into the innovator cycle of the M1 revolution. I'll wait to see how it evolves over the next couple of release cycles. Just me and my take.
You realize Apple has been making these silicone chips for their iPhones and iPads for almost 10 years right? Nobody is beta testing new processors. These are already many generations in. Don’t be in denial guys
@@ch1ckenballs Not on apple silicon, I kind of meant that you can’t run windows on apple silicon and on intel macs you can pretty much run any software
@@ch1ckenballs I have no idea what that application is but just the official way by installing windows or linux won’t work because apple silicon is a completely different cpu architecture so until windows and some linux OS start supporting it (probably will take a while), your basically stuck with macos.
I was using a 2019 Intel Macbook Pro [16 GB 512 HD] before I upgraded to the MacBook Pro M1 [8 GB 512 GB HD]. It has been a huge upgrade for me. Keyboard feels so much better and finally all day battery life. I can finally stop showing my battery percentage in the menu bar. Gone is anxiety about battery life. 🔋👀💯
I just picked up a 2012 Mac mini for $160. I'm using it as a headless home media server running Plex. It's an upgrade from an Intel NUC. Integrates beautifully with my NAS and the rest of my Apple environment.
my two younger sisters and myself all have 2015 (3rd generation) MacBook Pros. they still work great in 2020, even run Big Sur just fine. Unless your macbook is broken or slow, there isn’t much reason to upgrade.
Hey Luke, love your channel, number one source for all things Apple! Just wondering, do you ever plan to do a comparison of Intel Mac's & M1 Macs? Wonder if it's actually worth buying a new Mac or get a refurbished Intel Mac. Thanks.
Happy to hear the most sensible line ever “what, you woke up the next day and your MacBook is just horrible..?” 😒 don’t just listen to marketers, people... think!
Bought a 21,5" 2012 iMac this summer from a friend for around 50 $. Bought an lvds cable and a 1 TB WD SSD. Using it now. Also bought a 2015 Macbook Pro 13" last month. Just need to put in the keyboard/trackpad ribbon cable. They stopped working, but I rubbed the bottom of the laptop, and now it works. Keeping the ribbon cable ready for when the old cable really stops working.
What has worked for me is to build a gaming rig at home, and use a old macbook to handle work related stuff. I hardly need it apart from word processing and simple web browsing. However, if your macbook is your only computer, I think you should just go ahead and buy the M1 mac.
answer: Yes, if you - care about native compatibility to 3rd party software (will get less significant over time) - care about privacy (google it) No, if you - want raw power and maximum bang for the buck in a very small form factor - want a future proof system - can take a soon-ish M2 (or similiar) release with even more power, without getting hurt lol
Gonna keep rocking my 2012 Macbook Pro 13" with 16 gig and 1TB fusion drive. Still works. Oh, it's bricked on Catalina, but I'll buy a used M1 Air when they come up in 6-8 months.
I have a mid 2012 13" MacBook Pro that I purchased from Apple in 2015 and it still works great. If I want to, I can boost the memory to 16 Gigs and throw in a 1TB SSD drive for around $300.00 from iFixit and boom I get a couple more good years with it! I love it and it works great but the battery even with 94% health only lasts about two hours per charge roughly, but that's the only setback. This keyboard is awesome!
One other important thing to mention when buying used laptops, that's overlooked , is that it comes with no 1-2 year free warranty unless you pay extra. These items are costly and can go faulty after a few weeks and you will have lost all that money!! Apple Repairs are expensive too !!! Something to consider when not buying new items !! Also battery health will be much lower than when new.
I’ve built a computer this year and bought a gaming laptop. My laptop is a Dell G7 with a 10th gen i7 and a 2070. The computer I built is a 10th gen i5 1660ti. My desktop out performs my laptop and my m1 MacBook Pro outperforms my laptop in world of Warcraft with more stable frame rates at higher resolutions (shadows set to low). I was actually shocked at how good the m1 MacBooks are. Just saying my dell g7 feels like it’s on fire constantly in any game, at idle ..lid shut doing nothing and when turned on doing any type of game it sounds like It’s ready to blast into space and discover new planets. My MacBook Pro gets warm in games but nothing like my dell g7 and again will constantly sit at 60fps no dips under 58 FPS where my dell will fluctuate from 150 in some areas to 40 in others (if I had to average it out I would say about 70 FPS but constant dips into the 40s) I can honestly see myself buying Macs exclusively from now and and having a random windows machine around for specific games. As far as my laptops go I’ll be sticking to Macs after the experience I’ve had with the m1..I paid $200 more for my Dell g7 and I’m so much happier with the MacBook. I’m aware there’s a difference in classes of these laptops but I can play world of warcraft for 3 hours on my MacBook Pro unplugged and still be above 85% battery and my dell g7 can be off the charger for no less than 30 mins and die using just a web browser ..I couldn’t justify buying a intel Mac. I’ve wanted a MacBook for awhile but for what I do with computers I needed a 15 inch or a 16inch I couldn’t get away with buying one with integrated graphics because I would basically be buying a really expensive Mac that performed like a $400 windows laptop or a helllllla expensive MacBook that a gaming laptop would outperform, M1 macs however completely changed that ..I can use it daily and get a few days out of the battery if using it exclusively for work and 2 days for work and playing games. It’s not just paying for the logo and build quality anymore your buying an all around premium product that makes more expensive machines look like literal hot garbage. I’m sure I’ll regret not holding out for the next generation of apple silicon but now that the price points have dropped and the performance is amazing it’s not like I’m buying a pretty paper weight like it was with intel macs. Also I’m hoping for better optimization in the future and hoping to see even better performance in the next couple of months with these m1 chips.
I’d recommend checking the trade in value of whatever used model you have or consider buying. At a minimum you can recover that amount if you later decided to get a new model. These values will drop also but at least you’d know if you spent $1300 used today and could trade in for $800 today then maybe you can look at your purchase as being a $500 purchase if you decide to flip to M1 later.
Luke do you ever use the “completed items” filter on ebay? It’s epic to see what people are actually paying on finished auctions, and how many of the buy it now’s have sold vs expired
Thanks for bringing us the update on the market Luke. Your content is always informative and high quality. I'm still gobsmacked at how fast this M1 Mac mini is- I'm waiting to wake up and find out it's all a dream!
Personally, I think the best value for money is the late 2012 Mac Mini. You can get a bunch of them on eBay for next to nothing, and upgrade the RAM easily, and swapping out the hard drive for an SSD or two isn't too hard. It doesn't have USB3, but you can work around that with a Thunderbolt dock, or get the 2014 Mini (though be warned the RAM is not upgradable and upgrading the hard drive is a pain in the neck compared to the 2012 model). And then you can upgrade to an M1 Mini and keep all of your outboard gear.
Nice video dude - was asking myself the very same questions... just bought a 2019 27” iMac with a healthy discount... will see how it copes with my planned video work... in general, I’m prepared to wait as my current kit meets my needs (I think), but, i must say, an affordable on-the-go MacBook is a very tempting proposition!!!
I know some people may only have a budget of $400 or $500 for a laptop, but honestly, just bite the bullet and get a brand new one M1. Even if you get the cheapest base M1 Air, it's many times the performance of any laptop from 2018 or under. Plus, you'll have a mac that will be fully supported for the next 7+ years. IMO.
Depends what you do and how much you want to spend. If video editing, get the M1. If web browsing and other undemanding tasks, get a Unibody. The later butterfly key models are too expensive and problematic.
I just got a refurbished iMac. Will sit with this for a couple of years as they sift through the latent issues as yet uncovered (or being uncovered). Won't be the first time I've waited a few generations/years from first Macintosh item to finally purchasing the product.
I’m happy with my 470USD - 2014 15” MacBook Pro (512Gb / 16Gb) that I bought half a year ago after watching many of your videos of “which MacBooks are the best to buy now” 😄 It was a substantial enough upgrade from my 13” 2012 unibody and it will definitely last me for a couple of more years until I need to get a new laptop and it will probably be the newer apple silicon one.
The annoying thing about the used market right now is that you have basically three choices for laptops: 1. Pre-2015 Macbooks 2. Macbooks that have thermal issues and/or have butterfly keyboard 3. Macs from the last year that will be more expensive I guess #1 might be the best option because Intel has been so terrible over the last 5+ years unless you really want a retina Air.
I just bought an i5 8th gen Intel processor Macbook Pro 13" 2020 in august, i upgraded to 16GB of RAM and 512 GB SSD, and i really like it but seeing the huge improvement that apple has done in these new M1 macs, now im not sure if i should sell my current mac and buy an apple silicon one. Make a video talking about this!!!! Love the way you analyze situations like these!!! Thank you Luke!!
The used market hasn't really realized the real performance of the M1 and/or they're trying to still get as much as they can before the inevitable crash that's gonna make these older Macs really depreciate in price in the coming months.
If I was looking for a 13" Mac, than I would buy the new M1 model. But if I need a larger Macbook, than I would not hesitate getting a good deal on a used Intel Macbook. It may or may not be faster than the M1 (depending on the specs), but it's still a great machine. Also, running Window natively with Bootcamp is a big plus.
I had to get a Mac and was scratching my head if I should go with used Intel. But came to same conclusion. M1 Mac mini base config was the way to go for me. Im a developer and works great. I have had it for a month and I’m very happy with my decision.
If you benefit from an educational discount, or, have found an interest free £20 per month repayment deal, then the M1 Mac Mini has become a very competitive option to buy from new, compared to paying £550-850 on eBay for a used Intel 2014-2018 version, M1 or not. The used ones are still better than my 2011 iMac whichever way I turn.
One thing he did not mention is that there is no boot camp on m1 macs, so if you rely on windows as part of your Mac setup then the m1 is not the machine to get.
This was an excellent overview. My advise would be if, you have requirements where using an Intel mac is preferred then buy the oldest model that meets your needs because it will hold its resell value the longest. Yet, if a M-1 processor will meet all your needs then for laptop users, I would buy an Air laptop and for desktop users buy a mac mini. However, if possible the best advise when dealing with Apple, Inc. is always to wait for the newer models. Sometimes they are better and sometimes they are worst but, either way you then can buy with your eyes wide open.
Even though the performance no longer suggest this, the release of 13'' cannot really depreciate prices of past generations 15'', not to mention iMacs. Maybe higher end older 13'' prices might go down a bit?
It's a use-case thing. I triple boot my MacBook Pro, something you won't be able to do with a silicon mac. I literally had one in the cart and thankfully didn't purchase because I want a triple boot option.
yep, just bought a mac book air 512 SSD 8 gigs of ram M1 chip in the UK, was looking at eBay and decided for the price difference it wasn't worth looking at the intel models.
the amount of scammers on facebook marketplace trying to sell early 2020 intel macs for the same price as a new one is horrible.. Very laughable also the fact that some people trying to sell macbook pros from 2017-2019 for over 1k, just laughable
I do not think that I am ever going to buy an x86 chip or computer again. I have an i7-10700 desktop. If I needed more horsepower right now, I'd get a Mini M1 and use the systems together. The real plan is to get an M1X, M1Y or M1Z system when they come out. My watch is the Fenix 5+ and really like the health monitoring.
I’d love to see not only a video about selling Macs but a full on tutorial of where to get the best price and a how to on everything to avoid getting scammed.
Ok I get it.. I wanted to get a used MacBook 13” but the M1 Macs seem to be a better choice from an cost to performance point of view.. especially because in the past there were no powerful 13” machines..
The 2nd hand market in Australia is out of control, a macbook 13" 2014 starts at about $650au for a 7 year old computer..Not enough ram or SSD space and really used battery so there is a few hundred more to spend which brings you to about 50% of an AirM1 which is starting to look like better value at this point.
Should I sell my Mac Mini i7 2012?. The problem with the prices is that the used market has got its own rules. Maybe we are not seeing the reasonable price depreciation anytime soon.
Honestly for the 15/16" MacBook Pros I think their prices are going to stay far too high up until next year when Apple releases a new 16" with M1X, and then those used 15/16" MacBook Pros will plummet in price because it is going to make absolutely no sense to get an intel based 16" anymore.
Thanks Costco for that generous 90 day return policy. Had 3 days left when Apple dropped the M1s now I have a more powerful air, no touchbar and pocketed $800. Winning
You compare 13" to 15" , to me that is a problem. I still use a 2011 17" just because of the 17" and that was the last year. It is also anti glare. I still use Aperture so I will keep an Intel Mac forever just to run it. For people with 32 bit programs the new stuff won't work. I am hopeful my Parallels version will update to being able to run older programs on the new Silicon chips so I can buy a new model and still run the older programs. Until that happens, I am staying with Intel as it works fine for me and what I use it for.
Great video, and exactly the kind of one that adds value and why I watch your channel. Only downer is that where I live (Canada) we don't have 2,000 MacBook Pros available on eBay. Most are from the "scam artists" you point out.
@@DarthRaider Well I mean they can though. There’s not many AAA games on Mac but the ones that are there the M1 can run decently, and presumably more ports will come now the mac can actually run it.
@@endi3386 shadow of the tomb raider is probably the most difficult to run that's available on Mac and it still runs pretty Terribly . Better but still bad
I spent 2400 for my macbook pro on September and I think I don't need that amount of energy and I wont sell mine in order to buy a cheaper one, maybe in the future I may buy a mac mini but for now the 16 inch base model will be my main and I love it
