Slice vs. Topspin 3rd Shot Drop Explained!

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When you have the choice, should you go with slice or topspin on your drop? In this video, we explain the differences between the slice vs. topspin drop: the speed & shape of each shot and how they impact your opponent. We'll also show how you can use each of them to your advantage to capture the net and be that much closer to winning the point.
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@SailCamaraderie 3 года назад

Not only was the long shot video showing each type of drop great...but so was Nicoles message about ALL that has changed in PB strategy & shots in the last couple of years. We've thrown out several chapters of the book and replaced them with new ones and you guys are one of the few teams teaching this stuff to all on line. We all need to take this to heart and put as much of it as we are able into our own games. Keep up the great work. I was appreciative of your comment below that you rarely go down the line with your drop and prefer cross court. I find the slice drop works well with the extra distance but I need to work on that topspin straight ahead drop you do...awesome action on that ball!

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

Thanks for the comment!! 🙂 keep practicing! 👍🏻

@El_Guap Год назад

Woop woop! Here's to Katrina the unsung hero of all these videos.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Yup! She's a champ.

@snipsnop2 4 года назад

Great video. I recommend viewers look at two things on second watching: 1. Where in the court does Jordan's 3rd shot reach its peak height? 2. Watch the footwork during the final phase, when he is making his way up to the NVZ. No big rush, take a split step whenever the opponent is hitting the ball, and it might take three or more shots to get to the line.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

👍🏻👍🏻

@garyz5786 Год назад

On his first step forward (after the return of his drop shot) he seems to be in 'no man's land'. Should one try to rush all the way up to the net right away or stay back (closer to the baseline) so that you can move back if the return is deep?

@lucasservetti219 2 года назад

Excelente todo el proceso, a veces es difícil ablandar la mano para pegar en el entorno de la línea de cocina en el 3er golpe, hay que entrenar además del top spin esa mano más liviana, muy buen video , gracias

@RR-od9jm 4 года назад

Hitting the wife in the head... how was sleeping in the dog house Jordan. Lol. When people ask me for tips, I tell them to watch Prime Time Pickleball. Keep up the good work.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Lol 😎

@mikehawkins6508 4 года назад

Your best video yet. Good to see so many options and variety. The spin on the shots adds so much unpredictability to the flight and bounce of the ball. Those topspin shots from behind the baseline look like a much better option than lobbing when deep

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Definitey a better option, although a lot tougher to execute! 😊

@NathanBrantley Год назад

Katrina from how she is hitting those returns looks like she would smoke me. Good video.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

She’s pretty solid

@Geep615 10 месяцев назад

I’d like to see you do further teaching on the slice third shot drop. I’ve messed around with it before but can’t seem to get any sort of consistency with it

@primetimepickleball 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the request. We’ll see what we can do.

@flyguy22190 3 года назад

Love the action shots! Less standing around talking and more audio dubbed over hitting is a great combo,

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

👍🏻

@chrishorton8460 3 года назад

This was great, super informative. Thank you!!

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

👍🏻

@scottmartin6809 4 года назад

Great video! This was one of the best!

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

😎

@davidj7516 4 года назад

Thank you very much. Great Video.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Thanks!

@ronneyenhuis1723 2 года назад

Thx Jordan, really enjoyed this tip and relayed this to my fellow picklers here in far North Queensland Australia.

@primetimepickleball 2 года назад

Awesome! Thanks for sharing and glad you enjoyed it.

@cartnem801 3 года назад

Great video! Love the advice! I have a question about the 3rd shot drop. I'm still learning how to get the 3rd shot drop in consistently while i'm playing. It seems that when I do get a 3rd shot drop, the bounce from the ball when it lands in the kitchen is pretty high. Is it just practice to get the bounce low enough or could be hitting the ball, maybe, too high or hard? Or could it be where the ball is landing in the NVZ? Just noticed that the other night during a game.

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

Probably a combination of all those things. Practice will help and focusing on your opponents contact point. The goal is to force your opponent to hit up on the ball. So this means even if they volley it, it can STILL be a really good drop. I think you may be focusing on where the ball lands. You can hit an extremely high ball that lands short in the kitchen, but this is a bad shot because it will bounce so high and they can then crush the ball as they have a high contact point. Try to hit drops that peak maybe around 4-8 feet above the net and the drop down a foot or two from the NVZ line.

@peterjordan2738 3 года назад

Jordan....one of the things I listen to is top spin, under spin, slice spin etc. A good idea would be to show the viewers HOW to hit these shots rather than just mentioning them. Paddle position etc. I am a low 4.0 player but feel my game could improve immensely if I am able to hit some of these shots consistently

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

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@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

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@josephandrade7170 4 года назад

Your videos are very helpful and your presentation has improved very much over the past year. Thanks

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Thanks Joseph!

@ticklemybrain1 4 года назад

Haha... GC courts in Vtown in the house!! 😝👍 Thanks for the tips!

@youngbraveheart 3 года назад

Great video. Great teaching. Looks like Glen Cove.

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

It is!

@brettbesmertnik8409 3 года назад

Glen cove LI?

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

@Stupify8 3 года назад

Hi Jordan, I’m trying to learn topspin dinking (from another video of yours) and tried it out last night and noticed I am definitely hitting the ball from the side and it looks good/drops fast, but my natural instinct/follow through (right handed forehand) is for the paddle to end up to the right of my face as opposed to the left like yours. Someone said this is still a topspin but I wonder if it is? Is it still effective as a topspin or should I try to correct the follow through? Thank you,

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

That follow through might still be ok, but I would just make sure your form going into the shot is correct. Following up towards the left shoulder should be a natural follow through for a right handed player.

@travisking919 4 года назад

Jordan, I was curious as to what grip version (Continental, Eastern, Etc.) you use on your topspin shots.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Eastern!

@travisking919 4 года назад

@@primetimepickleball I heard that is what many people use. Do you keep it in Eastern or do you switch depending on where you're located on the court? Thanks for your input! Love your videos!

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Switch pretty often. I will try to do a video on that soon!

@randallkadish5663 3 года назад

Do you have an aim spot? In other words, do you aim about 2 feet over the net, or instead 5 feet over you own NVZ line?

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

Hitting it down the line, your arc generally has to be a bit higher than cross court. Also, topspin drops may be hit a little higher than slice drops because the topspin can bring it down. I would say it travels anywhere between 1-4 feet over the net. You can see in this video that it varies. My “aim” is to make them contact the ball low. Whether they can take it out of the air or not, my goal is to get a low contact point.

@bryanyee7 Год назад

@PrimeTime Pickleball For these drops, it looks like you swing from your knee level up to but not past the shoulder level on both sides? However, your topspin shot looks like the swing is faster? What is the swing speed for these shots? Also, is that an Engage Pursuit model paddle that you use regularly? I am considering getting one but was wondering what you thought about it.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Hi Bryan. Your observations are correct. yes, when hitting topspin you have to swing a little faster and get a little more follow through. With spins, you contact less of the ball since you're swiping it rather than making full contact and you need more speed to make up for that and to get the rotation on it. I think we're using the Engage Encore MX 6.0 alnk.to/aLFGF02 in this video. Pursuit is a really good paddle as well. Little more pop and a little less control on soft shots than the Encore. (Apologies for delayed response)

@bryanyee7 Год назад

@@primetimepickleball Also, is there such a thing as a one handed backhand topspin 3rd shot drop? If so, maybe a technique video of it might be useful. Otherwise please disregard.

@guyloehr5820 4 года назад

cool... I tend to be a little more of a banger when I am deep, but I have a pretty good top spin shot, and if you keep it low enough the bottom still falls out of it when it clears the net.. I like the softer top spin shot as well.. either way, you want them to be defensive rather than offensive... great demonstrations.... love the game, personally I think you need a well balanced game of harder shots ( which I can do well ) and I love the finesse game as well....

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

👍🏻

@gabrielfrench8382 4 года назад

Great video, Jordan...! Quick question related to the third-shot drop... When dinking, a cross-court dink has a larger margin of error and can have a lower trajectory yet still go over the net; could you apply those same principles when making a third-shot drop to the opponent on the other side of you...?

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

That principle applies even more! I rarely hit 3rd shot drops down the line.

@Adi0-e8v 11 месяцев назад

Do you have an open face when doing the slice drop? How much of an open face do you have? Slight or very much open? Or closed? On a forehand drop the same? Open or close?

@primetimepickleball 11 месяцев назад

slightly open in both cases for slice.

@exploringtheologychannel1697 2 года назад

Do you recommend more advanced players primarily hitting slice backhand drops?

@primetimepickleball 2 года назад

Yes

@exploringtheologychannel1697 2 года назад

@@primetimepickleball Thank you for replying. This is super helpful. How far should one take this principle? Should they try to hit all backhand drops even in the transition zone with a slice? I guess I am wondering when to use a regular flat backhand drop or is that kind of drop more a beginner's move?

@primetimepickleball 2 года назад

I’d focus much more on getting the trajectory of the shot right. If the trajectory of your shot is off then the spin won’t help you. If your trajectory is pretty locked in then you can add more spin. The further up you are in the transition zone it’s tough to get that nice “knifing” slice because the arc of your shot will have to be bigger so it gets up and then down quickly into the kitchen in a shorter space so those will likely need to be hit a bit flatter but yes put a little spin on it if you can. It really depends but that’s the answer in a general sense.

@exploringtheologychannel1697 2 года назад

@@primetimepickleball So helpful! This seems like the same principle of topspin. It is easier to hit those from deep into the court and for transitions better to just get the ball into the kitchen.

@timl9495 Год назад

I want to see serve, 2nd, then 3rd shots. I want to see the flow. Be even better in slow mo.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thanks for the feedback. We have lots of other videos showing the flow. We limit the footage to the pertinent parts of the the topic, otherwise it gets too long.

@curiouskiwi7063 3 года назад

Hi Jordan, I always resort to underspin for my 3rd shot drop for backhand. I've been told by many people that I need to stop "slicing" and start putting topspin on the ball, but it's really my only (consistent) method of dropping the ball into the opponent's kitchen. How important do you think it is for me to develop a topspin backhand drop? As for normal groundstrokes, do you think ONLY slicing for backhand will be detrimental to my game?

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

No. 99% of the PROS have only an underspin drop on their backhand side. Although I would encourage you to develop a forehand topspin drop along with a forehand underspin drop.

@exploringtheologychannel1697 2 года назад

@@primetimepickleball When should one hit a forehand underspin drop?

@exploringtheologychannel1697 2 года назад

@@primetimepickleball Do most pros primarily hit a backhand underspin drop vs a flat shot?

@guyrestivo 2 года назад

excellent video...new to pickelball so forgive the beginner question...from a tactics pt of view why wouldnt a deep lob 3rd shot to the backhand(or any shot) be the best shot....the court is so small that it really would be very difficult for the returner to pass you..especially if their charging the net...

@primetimepickleball 2 года назад

It might be effective at lower levels where players struggle with their overheads but at higher levels, players have very well developed overheads and would punish you on those. As you say, the court is small so they would get to it and be able to smash it down into your court.

@guyrestivo 2 года назад

@@primetimepickleball great..thks for the reply..and I am finding that out now...haa..

@williehiew3475 2 года назад

Do you change to eastern grip for your topspin drop?

@primetimepickleball 2 года назад

Yes!

@Stupify8 3 года назад

I also noticed - a topspin (3rd shot) drop from the transition zone in response to a short return that falls flat doesn’t seem to work too well? It almost seemed like the ball needed a “pick up”

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

Yes, I only hit topspin drops from the baseline or the transition zone when I’m in good position, and not pressed. Otherwise, I’ll hit more of an underspin drop.

@Stupify8 3 года назад

@@primetimepickleball got it thank you!

@yasim9435 2 месяца назад

Don’t forget that the ball with trajectory to bounce further than kitchen line is attackable by valey. So it is bad most likely if opponents hovering the net

@primetimepickleball 2 месяца назад

Agreed, best to keep a flatter arc on those.

@jodyball2577 3 года назад

How does the wind affect your choice of drops.. or maybe it doesn't

@primetimepickleball 3 года назад

If it’s very windy, I’ll probably try more third shot drives. Also, whether I hit a topspin or underspin drop, I’ll probably aim more to the middle of the court.

@kidbroman922 4 года назад

Nice video. Way to keep the wife in defense mode and on her toes, lol

@jimkazmarek5302 4 года назад

Contact point. That's what it is all about. Make opponent have to hit low to high as that's a low contact point. Then reset and let the opponent make the mistake.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

😊

@jcheupy9845 23 дня назад

How come no videos ever talk about backhand topspin drops? I've never seen any video even mention it

@primetimepickleball 23 дня назад

We did a video on it: Two-Handed Backhand Topspin Drop with Riley Newman ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qVViGwyuDT8.html

@VexMarquise 4 года назад

I feel like the evolution will have people opt for topspin, but then people will get smart and take a step or two back and crush a forehand winner.

@primetimepickleball 4 года назад

Hey Brian! You gotta come out again man! Lol. The topspin drop isn’t going anywhere, and it’s really hard to crush any winners when you have two players that have great hands. You’ll see when you come back out on the courts! 😊