Sony Finally Removes 8K Support Label From PS5 Packaging 

I can't believe companies are just getting away with false advertising, willy nilly

I still think reality is the 8K advertising for both systems was thinking video media. No one ever really believed or truly thought 8K gaming. If 8K media boomed we’d have seen support. 8k 24hz is doable by both easily for an 8K Blu-ray.

How is that not a lawsuit for false advertisement. Someone explain

You got the chroma subsampling explanation a bit wrong. The 3 digits of the "4:4:4" notation are not RGB, they are Y'CbCr, or "luma, chroma blue, chroma red". Well, sometimes. It depends on the underlying signal, which is RGB in this case. Also, the numbers are not simply "resolution", it's about the size of the sampling rectangle. "4:4:4" means no subsampling. Everything else involves some kind of reduction in color resolution. For desktop-style font rendering, it is noticeable (modern text rendering relies on subsampling). For normal gaming and media content, most people would not notice any degradation with even "4:2:0". Chroma subsampling has been wonderful for us, enabling us to push so much more content into our limited bandwidths and storage capacities. We would not have had the DVD and online streaming revolutions without it, at least not with such excellent picture quality.

Just shows how shady Sony is

Remember when the 3090 was launching and Nvidia was pushing 8k as that cards main selling point? Including sending LTT a 30k TV to show it off lol Except most games crashed if you even tried it past the main menu and it only really became somewhat playable if you ran 8k combined with DLSS ultra performance mode which isn't really 8k at all. Just BS from top to bottom. Another reason 8k never became a thing is because physical media is dying. Pushing resolution happened first and best on whatever the latest newest blu-ray standard was. Now with streaming being the future (for now) everything is already compressed as it is and 8k would just require streamers to compress even harder. It just wouldn't look that much better and it would sky rocket the data required even when compressed. Overall just impractical for a streaming first landscape.

What is the point of dropping it now? All the sales that have already happened are due a full refund for their consoles if they demand it anyways...

"Can a human eye see 4K or 8K? Yes, human eyes can fully enjoy the clarity of 4K and 8K resolution. However, it's hard for human eyes to compare between the two. Your eyes can tell the difference between 8K and 4K resolution, but only if you have high visual acuity, or if you're extremely close to the screen."

8k is stupid

I seen 8k on the box and figured it was for streaming or other media, if content ever gets that high. Just a tech spec imo. The issue with 8k right now is the lack of hardware. If PC at the very high end can't hit 8k, a console can't either. I've seen a few 8k TVs and really couldn't tell the difference. I'd much rather have 4k higher FPS

I remember when they claimed Watch_Dogs would be 1080p 60 fps only on ps4 last Gen

Sounds like class action suit for everyone who still has the original box 🤔

Same reason why most smartphones are 1080p.

8K being a selling point for the PS5 didn’t make sense to me because it seemed like the 4K era had just barely started. I don’t even own a 4K TV yet.

You should try to dig up the international broadcasting standards agreements, where they set the agreed resolution progressions, makes it so clear that the 8k push by TV manufacturers was purely a marketing ploy to help generate sales after 4k sales started to wain. The envisioned reason for higher resolutions, by broadcasters, was actually a bad future prediction, almost science fictional; it was presumed that, at some point, we would start embedding screens directly into walls, whether as fitted displays or some kind of smart wallpaper. 1080p was expected to be good enough for displays that took up ¼ of a wall; 8k was the next step, expecting to take up ½ of a wall; 16k was the ultimate destination, with an entire wall becoming the display. The important point to note: 4k was never planned to be a display standard, that was created out of whole cloth by the TV industry. Knowing this, it quickly becomes clear the intent that resolution jumps were simply to match significant increases in screen size, to keep a reasonable pixel density rather than pushing for high ones.

What's interesting with Apple's Vision Pro is that the 180 degree immersive video format they are pushing is so high res it's streaming an 8k video to the headset, and being filmed with 2 4k cameras. It's actually too low res video format and you can tell when inside the headset things are fuzzier. There's no way on the filmed footage to even crop things. I feel 8k video, or even higher is going to be what we need on headsets and the pipeline to render or edit video is going to be commonplace for them.

4k was a big thing for me,I bought a Sony Xperia phone with a 4k screen,a PS4 pro and a 4k TV in 2017 and I definitely noticed the difference.

I always assumed the 8k was just for video, youtube , blurays, if sony was thinking 8k gaming, they must have been in a very short meeting about that one

On Xbox, does HDR10 4K 120hz (4:4:4) have advantages versus using Dolby Vision 4K 120hz (4:2:2) ?

Wonder if this could turn into a class action lawsuit similar to the custom OS fiasco from the PS3 era

I still use a 1366x768 laptop and a 1440x900 19" LG pc monitor from 2008 😅 still works fine but it's gotten dim, the brightness isn't as good as it was new.

Dolby Vision uses a RGB tunneling container. So basically many people will see DV reported as 8 bit at 4:4:4

8K is a fuckin' Joke outside of either a Cinema or a VR Headset... I had a 75" LCD nonHDR 4K TV ( before my current 77" OLED HDR one ) which at some point must have developed a dead Pixel I *_ONLY_* noticed when I got really close to check it for potential issues after the Movers had handled it. That dead Pixel was practically indistinguishable after about half the regular viewing distance and _absolutely _*_gone_* at a normal one of ~3m for a 75" TV which essentially means that 4K at 3m on a 75" TV already is well withing the Diminishing Returns of what you can percieve.

I'm glad I picked up the 8K version before they pulled it 😅

It's for 80" 8K 120hz CRT monitors from 1989.

It will probably be a while since we havent maxed out visuals at 4k and most of these games are struggling to put out 30 FPS. Might be a few more gens, console wise.

i remember thinking the PS2 slim could output 720p over the PS2 FATs 480p via a fancy new HDMI 1.0 or whatever. It was a Sony in 2004 who just made the PSP that could play AAA PS2 games in your pocket unlike Nintendo DS or GBA.

Hint: If you use more than one monitor, and use Nvidia, make sure you enable display surround, to get your games to be able to run NATIVELY in ultrawide resolution support.

I'm glad to see folks aren't falling for this 8K upsell. I've talked to many people who say they can't see the difference between 1080P and 4K!

Only space 8k might still be of use would be some far flung future VR headset. Even then; the Apple vision pro is only 3,660 x 3,142px per eye and reviews said the screen door effect was non existent so 8k might be overkill there too. The GPU needed to drive that resolution at current visual quality expectations would require a small nuclear reactor to power it.

It never bothered me that 8K was on the box. I knew I was never going to get an 8K TV anyway. 4K is good enough. I didn't get the ps5 for 8K, I got it for 4K. I got what I paid for. No one believed ps5 would really do native 8K, most of us expected dynamic 8K at best.

Can't believe people thought a $500 console was playing new games at 4k/60 fps . I was expecting 1080p/60 fps and 1440p/60 fps and that pretty well what I got .

Sony make false claims every generation. PS2 with its 80 million PPS claim (it's highest polygon game reached 6 million PPS with all effects on). Even this gen with its 'tempest sound engine' BS which is basically repurposing a 90s sound card. This is the first time they have done something honest and should be commended. Also 8K will always be overkill, unless you are a video or creative designer. 1080p is the max resolution a living room TV needs.

People have stopped going higher resolutions for high frame rates because that’s where the GPU market is right now with the 8GB nvidia card issue.

Pretty sure it was for added for movies

Until 1440 p is considered the standard 8K is at least 10 years away still we thought that 1080p was going to be the standard 10 years ago and yet they're still games that struggle to hit that on consoles to this day natively

8K will probably always be pointless. I think the vast majority of people aren't even sitting close enough to their 4K panels to make a difference between 2K. In many cases even vs 1080p.

I don't even understand the point of 8K.There's no point in having a resolution that hi at all

8k is unnecessary. Let's face it games look so good now that they're running out of technical buzzwords to sell stiff

Talk about their replacement numbers who will gonna count them???

They're all a bunch of liars. They tell you what you want to hear, not what you need to hear.

On the side of the Xbox Series X it literally also says "8K HDR - Up to 8K High Dynamic Range". Neither Sony nor Microsoft claimed 8K gaming. The PS5 and XSX both have hdmi 2.1 which can display 8K video. Neither consoled enabled it at firmware level. There's no point. Even if they did you'd only have a handful of 8K video to watch on youtube which is compressed by youtube.

Why would you care they removed the 8K does the console support 8K anyways if you really want 8K you go buy the 3090 or 4090 graphics card for your PC and play your games in 8K that’s why my PC has the 8K TV not my PS5 that never had 8K in the beginning it’s not good to lie to consumers they buy your products you tell the truth not make things up

Surely Sonys in for a large class action lawsuit? They've falsely advertised what their machine could do for years. While never actually allowing the feature to do it, and were not even sure if the machine is capable of doing it.

Huge tip for anyone having problems with their ps5 HDMI cables. Get Optical 2.1 HDMI cables, they are harder to connect as they are unidirectional but man picture is great as these cables never get hot. I've replaced all my copper cables with Optical and it's been awesome.

Ive had 4K pc monitor for ages and its great but im still rocking a 1080p plasma as a tv and it works fine. No gaming just 1080p movies and tv shows.

While not today, 8k could be a thing one day but for it to make sense we'd need to break the current paradigm of TV sizes where most people have tvs between 55 to 75 inches and at that size + a normal viewing distance 8k doesn't make sense, but think about a time when 120"+ tvs become "affordable" and then you'll have a market since I see no problem with people wanting even larger displays.

Nothing uses 8k yet. There's 8k TVs but you can't even really watch TV or movies or anything in 8k yet. It was pretty silly that they even tried to say the PS5 would be able to do 8k. 8k is also stupidly expensive still

Would be nice if Sony starts including usb-c display out at some point. HDMI needs to be nudged towards its obsolescence. Though I doubt they will.

Wait until y'all find out not a single 4l TV is actually 4k. You have tp go to a theater to get and actual true 4k screen size

In regards to ps5, I've never chosen quality mode over performance mode in any game so far. Resolution, ray tracing, enhanced effects .... give me my frames instead

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you guys are saying. 1440 P 144hz is the sweet spot in my view. Given that there are diminishing returns the higher the refresh rate.

Class Action Suit for Deception and Enticement

Simply false advertising. Shame there was no lawsuit against Sony and Microsoft.

Not the same. PS5 HDMI really doesn't allow for it, and they advertised in giant gold letters on the front.

I still see so many consoles in my country (where they are stupidly expensive) still sittin on the shelves since 2020 havin 8k on the boxes lmao

I think 8K is kind of necessary on the absolute largest panels for the sake of pixel-density, which is why those 100" or whatever panels are 8K, besides the "marketing" or whatever you could call it. Because for that last thing, there definitely are people with deep pockets who "need" to have that highest-end thing and companies like LG and Samsung will definitely not mind taking advantage of those "whales". - I mean, we can get all up in arms about the most expensive things like 100" 8K screens when there are no proper sources to feed them, or supercars when you can barely use them to their full potential anywhere, or watches hand-made of exotic materials or what have you. But there are people who will buy them just because they can, which is probably also why these panel-companies only put out a few models and likely produce way fewer of them, so companies will consider that like whale-hunting, just like game-publishers put out very expensive DLC or micro-transactions (think "Star Citizen"). That said, I do think 8K has a purpose and that's, again, for those massive screens, if it's only for the sake of having enough pixels, as long as it has good upscaling. - And again, it's for those who can afford it and want to cover a big wall without resorting to projection, or events, or whatever. - But for the vast majority of the consumer-market, yea, it does not make sense and it's so overkill that it's not even a loss. - Let's also not ignore that most people will still "only" go up to a 55" for lack of space or budget, many will still have a smaller screen, whether that's because of the same reasons or the fact that they're using a monitor or laptop or tablet or whatever. - We can totally enjoy anything between 1080p and 4K with a discerning eye and most people don't even have that to begin with. It just becomes about the idea of "quality", even with "4K", like "It's called 4K so it's amazing." even if it's not even a good 4K or something. Like I bet way too many people think that streaming at 4K, even on RU-vid, is the best it can be, just like there is/was a trend of people putting "4K" in the titles and thumbnails of obviously-not-even-HD videos. - But so goes the market.

8K at home on a home TV is ridiculous and stupid. They need to focus on 4K and 120fps. Forget this 8K stupidity. You do know that most movie theatres don’t even have 8K right? So what the hell is 8K going to achieve for me at home?

is anyone doing an 8k VR headset? if so, is it just 4k displays per eye?

I'd like to see HDMI go away, and just use USB-C as the standard. HDMI can only be plugged in 1 direction, whereas USB-C can be plugged in at any direction, with faster bandwidth. USB-C is just super easy to work with. I feel like all of these panel manufacturers keep trying to improve old tech, when they already have new tech, likt USB-C. We have seen some TV panels come with USB-C, mostly likely due to some electronics supporting it, but we haven't seen a huge jump yet. Maybe we see the next PS5 Pro or Xbox Pro consoles support USB-C Display output. Not that it's going to make me upgrade my TV any time soon, but would be a nice addition for those who have a TV with a USB-C Displayport IN connection.

So PS5 has an 8K game but the console cannot output it while the Xbox might output it but it doesn't have an 8K game. "Good" job gaming industry.

I guess the value of a complete boxed PS5 with 8K 120FPS value just went up

There are too few people with 8k tvs to complain about it which is why they are getting away with it. And tbf the owners of 8k tvs are the only people in the position to complain. Everyone else doesnt have the data to know it doesn't work.

Why do people care about 8k anyway. Ridiculous.

I wish they would bring back 3D TVs but with 4k resolution. Then glass less 4k TVs. Heck, where are Holographic displays?

All 3 people with 8K displays are sad.

So true on what you said on what our eyes can only see. Why I feel 4K should be it n built off that.

They only removed it ... to put it back and heat 8k marketing on when PS6 arrives. But since PS5 does not run most games on 4k (more 1440p - 1800p) and especially in "2024-mode" with 60 fps between 1080p and 1440p... I *would bet money on that even PS6 is not going to be able to run games in 60fps AND native 2160p AND high details and effects like RT shadows or lumen!*

Off topic but Xbox should've done resolution boosts to older games similar to how the Xbox one x did but in a similar manner to fps boost.

I am sure they are capable of playing 8k 120fps 2d and pixel style games.

Real talk: the law of diminishing returns is hitting resolution and framerate really hard at 7680×4320 pixels and 240 Hz, respectively. Stop pushing ludicrous resolutions and framerates, and start focusing on aesthetically pleasing graphics.

To piggyback this, I do believe it’spossible on Xbox. I’ve just got a new tv and I watch a lot of 4k HDR tech demos to test my screen out. I have both systems plus a PC and I did notice that while my systems may not support it. The videos that say 8k on RU-vid look way better on Xbox compared to ps5

Resolution is very interesting to me because as I said years ago I can only see most displays getting to 4K at tops for the commercial market. The reason I say this is because there is no point in increasing constant resolution in screen sizes that are between 20 to 40 in and smaller. The only reason why you would want something beyond a k or even at AK is either you're putting it on a stupid lock screen like an IMAX screen or if you're putting it right in front of your eyeballs like the way an AR or VR headset does. Cuz that's the only way to justify the pixel density. Otherwise it's just a dick swinging number on a box. It doesn't really mean anything to the human eye. This is especially apparent because as someone who owns a 47-in TV, I'm always shocked when I encounter other gamers that are my age and younger, and they're playing on like these tiny 14-in 20-in screens. They're souped up PC games and Xbox and they're not even sitting at proper distances from them. Fine with that. People are now really used to Nintendo switch, steam deck and smartphones and you really see the lack of need of having higher resolutions because of the size of the screen. The only reason why smartphones have such high resolution is to do clear text like it's on a piece of paper. That's the only other use for something on that small of a screen. Everything else is just bubkiss.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they will probably now stick the "8K" nomenclature on the PS5 PRO box... And what's the novelty? Sony has been removing several advertised launch features since the PS3 days, just remember the "Other OS" removal on PS3; and the fact that by the time when PS3 arrived in Europe, they had already removed PS2 hardware compatibility from the PS3. And now with firmware updates, they can remove any feature they want, whenever they want... so you can't just trust them on keeping any feature throughout the whole console's lifecycle

It was funny watching all these fan boys when the PlayStation first came out like I can do 8K I can do 8K I was like yeah OK my 3090 TI can’t even do 8K 😂 my 4090 can though lol. The only way I could see the PS5 doing 8K would be movies like streaming Netflix whenever Netflix supports 8K lol

I like how these guys are talking like 8k60 is even possible w/ most games on the GPU.

I think they did so they can put it in ps5 pro.

Lawsuits incomiiiing!!!

On average, how many people do you think own an 8k tv , I bet it's not many , most guys I know are still rocking a 1080p TV with their PS5

when will sony, microsoft, intel, amd, nvidia realize that no one really cares about 8k gaming, 4k.. alright no one cares but we need to achieve minimum 120 fps in all games or minimum 60 fps, Like cmon its 2025 soon

Base PS4 advertised 4K.

Let’s keep in mind all this information still dosent change the fact that Xbox is being outsold by PlayStation

Why didn't we get an 8K Pong, or Atari Collection of some kind. Just because?

8k is the next evolution of consoles I can't wait for that day PS 6 8K console let's go

Tech sony didnt lie

Couldn't even do 1440p.

I love 4 k that's anuff any way i don't care about no 8 k because 4 k still better you cant really tell the difference

Pixel count is not in correlation with Resolution by the power consumption. HDMI 2.1 cable is just making efitient communication between Consoles or Computer and Display and otherwise it's not the thing that is burden. 8K will be late for PS5 Pro because already it's off the list of goals for most developers. HDMI cable is not properly protected and can be influenced by interfering signals from all-around electric devices but mostly electrical installations and internet which can be from a neighbor and that's it, but 32GB transfer rate is quite enough and it's standard 32GB is 1 hour of 4K 60 transfer and 40GB is an improvise which is typical for PCs and the users who are think that more is better or faster is better and in fact the truth is as always the middle. Next generation of standards for RAM will be interesting because it will heat up crazy, and CPU will be A.I. / Mashine Learning optimized for taking advantage from the internet Cloud Servers communication and co operation. Motherboards won't have compatibility with current RAM Formats and that's why video game companies in sumiraze and they're aiming for micro transactions and NFT's and it's successful by now despite the critiques. Microsoft didn't have Monopoly and they are not responsible for what is coming.... Think it's not illegal yet. Recent Trend is investment back for Windows 10 so ask your self why or you are ready for subscription's for Internet Providers, Computers and OS maintenance but what is more here are all Professional Software Companies because they are already have problems with every update and Subscription would be enough for making everything working before Updates occur which is good for users but more expenses would be too much and already is.

Well, that says a lot about the Ps6.

They're saving it for the ps5 pro lol

8K is probably still about 5 to 7 years away before it starts taking off

We can't even get 120 or even 60 frames most of the time. No one neees 8K.

They should refund all owners with 1 year psn extra sub. Thats the least they could do for lying!!!

My Sega Master System can 8K/60 only on Tuesday mornings….and on Hanukkah.

I heard the ps5 will do 16k 1000fps That’s amazing, gaming will be changed forever, thanks soney 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

Xbox 60/120 setting is not about frames. You simply choose the size of the HDMI video bandwidth between hdmi 2.0 (14,40 Gbit/s) and 2.1 (42,6 Gbit/s). This is the worst possible solution applied to the console. In addition, the console doesn't change the amount of Hz depending on the game just always pushes 120Hz, so there are problems such as color bending, white haze on vrr, etc. Even there are problems with pad input and strange input fluctuations due to this. Since the console's launch, they've almost "fixed" it (that's just against industry standards), but many games still have problems. Especially the very old ones like Call of Duty Black Ops 1 from xbox 360. To understand the problem more clearly, imagine that Apple TV pushes, for example, 60Hz on a 24-frame movie, instead of displaying it natively in 24. This is simply wrong. That's what Xbox is doing with games by pushing 30/60 frames at 120Hz.

Probebly because it`s now on the side of the PS5 pro box lol

Current gen cant even do proper 4k, so 8k was a bit of a stretch

I'm still relucted to use 4k because of performance cost, 8K is nonsense.

…so they can use it on the Pro…and remove it later…