Stephen A. Doesn't Believe Peyton Manning Deserves A Statue | First Take | May 10, 2017 

James Place still doesn't deserve a statue. If he had more rings then yeah

alan19messi agreed

and that is because the damn fool Owner ship him out of town and gave up on him. Dont blame him for what your team did to him.

Guess since when they become irrelevant AGAIN? Since HE LEFT. So what the fuck does that have anything to do with him? Blame your damn Owner and organization

Rick James only 2, he's been babied by the NFL because of his name. He ain't shit

Grumpy He argued against his own points

Yea basically lol

Grumpy exactly

UBI DRM What in the fuck are you talking about? I don't give a single fuck if Peyton gets a statue or not. WHO'S REALLY TRIGGERED HERE, MR. CAPS LOCK?

Peyton is a loser who has sexually assaulted women.

Scotty Beast aaron Rodgers is up there too

Brett Favre is in there as well

Joe Montana?

I like your different take on the debate. I agree with you.

Brady>manning

Facts Itz_Pepe

Still not enough

He crazy if he think Peyton don’t deserve a statue

Not only that it what he’s done for the city of Indianapolis too.

Gabriel Carrasco does joe flacco deserve a statue???...he beat peyton in the playoffs then won the supberbowl and tie joe montana record 14tds 👎 ints

The problem with your argument is that regular season in football is far more important than basketball because there are far less games (16 vs 82). Also you're forgetting that Peyton has been to 4 superbowls, won 2, been to even more AFC championships and carried the sorry ass Colts to playoffs basically every year hes played. You're also forgetting that both Denver and Indianapolis missed the playoffs when he left...the Colts literally went from being one of the best teams to the worst in the league.

Jovan Mcnair frank gore is

Rich_ Juve L

Prime LMAO.

Rich_ Juve Christ's sake dude L

Jovan Mcnair BITCH NO HE DOES NOT CALM DOWN

jay rick agreed. Especially before that neck injury.

jay rick are you stupid or are you deaf seriously

Peyton wasn't shit

jay rick So do you believe Brady is the GOAT??? He is regardless of what you think,just curious

jay rick SAS is a certified pussy ass bitch...if it wasn’t for the Cowboys topics he wouldn’t have a career lol 😂 I’m surprised he didn’t bring them up on this topic. Fuck SAS

fataomar amen

Great to hear a Brady fan with some class and objectivity. I hardly watch the NFL now that Manning’s gone. And just watching last year’s super bowl, I actually turned it off at the beginning of the 4th quarter-because despite all the hype of “the greatest comeback in super bowl history,” I saw 15 minutes on the clock, and if you remove the words “super bowl” about the game, I thought it was a joke that people were acting like Brady couldn’t win that game. To me, I’ve seen him and Manning do that stuff constantly for years and years. I could see the intensity in Brady’s eyes, and to me, I thought what Peyton would have thought in such a game- 15 minutes for Tom Brady to score 3 TD’s against an inexperienced team and their COACHES-he does that on a regular basis. Now does it take some miracle plays and a little luck? Yes, sure it does. But it’s almost “routine” for Brady and Manning to get those miracle plays and that “luck.” And against the Falcons, all the “luck” Tom needed was the Falcons lack of fear of him and the ridiculous way they just acted stupidly on offense like they were coasting. THAT was the luck Tom needed. Peyton would never have taken his foot of the gas against Brady. I don’t know how even NFL coaches just don’t get it that you cannot count those guys out just because you have a big lead. Again, yes it was exciting and “miraculous.” But in the larger scheme of things, to not think Tom Brady can score 3 TD’s in 15 minutes? Only the term “super bowl” made that any different than him doing it in any other game. In all honesty, after watching the Patriots last year only lose 2 games with Tom missing 4 of them, until Tom wears down physically to a certain point, I don’t see any other than Manning who is truly standing in the way of the Patriots or even close. Of course, playoffs in the NFL are single game elimination. There’s a salary cap. Every team has some great players. The Patriots aren’t going to win every game and may not win the super bowl every year. But the combined experience of Brady and Belichek just seems way above the rest of the league on the whole. It truly seems like Manning was the only predictably competitive roadblock in their way. I see no one close to the Pats in playoffs. And people may discount Peyton’s playoff record, etc., but he was there every year. And he didn’t lose to Tom in a playoff game the last 11 years of his career. SAS is also just way off base not understanding that this was a tribute from the city and what had previously been a terrible Colts organization since they left Baltimore. And the idea of trying to compare Oscar de la Hoya to Peyton is really just weird. Oscar got a statue for some reason. But to try to compare the 18 years of consistency Peyton showed to a few boxing matches, and Oscar did not dominate boxing either, is just plain stupid. Final point-Manning is the only 5 time MVP in NFL history. In fact, he’s the only 4 time MVP. And only Brett Fabre has 3 MVP’s. Football is a huge team sport. No one person truly can control it while only playing offense or defense and 21 other people on the field. To only count championship rings is making that person who is 1/22 of the players on the field just not the only factor. Robert Horry has more rings than Jordan. It’s absurd to think that’s the only thing that counts. SAS is just ridiculously off base demeaning the player who holds most career and individual season records and who also won championships. Statue for Horry campaign by SAS.

renaizman - When it comes to Manning, the MVP argument is meaningless. In 3 of his 5 MVP seasons, he wasn’t even the best passer in the game. He really only deserved 2 of them (2004 and 2013). 2003 - Jamal Lewis rushes for over 2000 yards but Manning wins for throwing 4200 yards and 29 TDs. 2008 - Brees throws for 5000 yards and 34 TDs but Manning somehow wins it with 4000 yards and 27 TDs. 2009 - Brees throws for 4388 and 34 TDs and 109 passer rating but somehow Manning wins the MVP with 4500 yards 33 TDs and a passer rating of 99. The MVP award in the Manning years was really just a consolation price that was given to Peyton Manning every other year after he failed to deliver in the playoffs because he was everyone’s favorite lovable loser. Heck, they even gave him a Super Bowl MVP for 247 yard 1 TD and 1 int and passer rating of 81.8 performance😂😂😂😂😂. That passer rating is worse than Brady’s worst Super Bowl performance. By the way, championships do matter. Especially when your 4 interception performance one year and a 3 point offensive output the next cost your team a chance to compete for the championship. Now regarding all the records Manning holds. By next year, everything other the career TD, single season TD and single season passing yard records will be gone. Total wins are already gone. Brady has 20 more wins than Manning in a full season less than Manning. Brady already holds every playoff record. Brees is going to hold every regular season career passing record. So in 2 years when all the old QBs are retired, Manning will take his rightful place as the 3rd best QB of his generation behind the Ultimate winner, Tom Brady and the Ultimate passer, Drew Brees.

fataomar He can't hold Brady's extra large jock,and he's actually a shitty,selfish person. Daddy made sure all Peyton's shady shit was covered up. Starting with his sexual harrasment at Tennessee

Apparently colin keapernick if thats the case,-_-

Brandon Fernandez then he says winning counts after max tells him how many 10 plus winning seasons he had. .

No he’s not

I am as well from Indy. Born and raised. Yeah the colts fucking suck at the moment. Do i root for them every game? Yeah of course! Like most people from Indy do, but dont get me wrong it was fucking hard to do with that idiot Chuck Pagano. Why call him a bandwagon if you dont even know who he is. That was nothing but disrespectful and childish. Grow up man. Where did that hatred even come from? He said nothing disrespectful towards the colts or anyone from Indy. What he said was completely true. Dont be an asshole to him for saying what most of people from OUR state are thinking.

Thankful Everyday stfu he’s obviously talking about football 🤣 Bobby knight put us on the map if you really wanna say sum

Thankful Everyday or Larry bird straight outta French lick Indiana. Put on from Indiana state vs Magic’s Michigan state

No he doesn’t!

William Brackin I think it's probably the fact that a big part of first take is debates. Somebody has to take the unpopular opinion for arguments sake 🤷🏾‍♂️

William Brackin They weren't that bad,Jim Harbaugh got them to the playoffs actually. He actually pissed on his shoes in many big games,so I think anyone that has Peyton ranked higher than 4th all time is delusional. He got crushed in 1 SB,threw the pick that lost another one,and the Denver win could have had Trevor Siemian at Qb and won with ease,he actually played kinda below average all season and in the Super Bowl

So being below .500 in his Indy playoff career is statue worthy? So getting BENCHED in Denver the year his DEFENSE won him another one is statue worthy?

Don't forget how bad they've been since he left Indy.

But Brady never ever won a Super Bowl with a good defense right? Moron. People hate Manning because he is the greatest and you fucking loser ass fans of shit teams that would be better off having a punter at QB are pissed and jealous. Eat shit.

Jean Carlos Rivera Rodríguez yeah IKR

How many fucking names do you have?

he must have taken a day off his anti drug life n smoked some good shit because what he just said is blasphemy

Jean Carlos Rivera Rodríguez "HE IS ON DRUGS"

IMMEDIATELY

Damond Thompson, to this day they are still irrelevant

Mr.Brown , are you on drugs

Damond Thompson patriots own their asses

your point has nothing to do with the topic of the video

dpistons149 um you do realize that manning has won more games against brady than brady against him in the playoffs.........you know, the games that actually matter......you know, those games where your dreams get destroyed through elimination.....shut up

jipeon .......he is on more than that......

jipeon I think he needs to get on the weeeeeeeeed

😂😂😂

Steven A. U need to find another occupation. Becuz u contradict yourself too much. U act like a odd ball person. Who be doing stuff and saying crazy things to get special attention at times.. I mean get real dude. U have to be crazy if u saying P.M. don't deserve a statue for that city... Win he made that team irrelevant again.. I mean, made the NFL more popular than ever. From 03 till he retired.... Look man win Peyton was on national TV. The ratings always went up. Becuz every body was tune in too ce a show... U must be eating dog or cat food. If u think diz Gentle Man. Don't deserve a statue...

zelle908 exactly

zelle908 only a loser with no rings would say something that ridiculous

Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF so is tent dilfer better than Dan Marino? is Phil simms better than Dan Fouts? the answer is no. John elway that won 2 superbowls is half the quarterback that loss 3 superbowls.

Charles Lorsomran Facts

If rings make someone great then why does Bradshaw four rings put him in the greatest qb talk.

It's hard to take Max seriously. He is so simplistic in his thinking that he always thinks the quarterback who can throw farther and run faster is the better quarterback. He doesn't the complexities of the quarterback position and the intangibles that make a great quarterback. It goes far beyond the ability to chuck the ball 70 yards down the field

You know that Peyton is not famous for his arm strength right? Dont say that he doesnt have the intangibles because on arm talent alone he obviously does not have enough. If he doesnt have other attribute to his game, he would just be another Alex Smith. Watch the game please

are you a fully functioning human?

Aston Hinds replayed to see it and lmfao

Aston Hinds molly too lol

he did not win that second ring, his defense won that, Broncos probably would have been better without him

As a Broncos fan I too thought we'd be better off without him during that SB run, but our O line was just as bad that year as it was last year and having a veteran all time great QB hides some of the flaws a bad o line can give. Osweiler wouldn't have held up behind that line.

The Sphinx how were they last year ???????

The Sphinx but he's the main reason we beat the chargers in week 17,and if we lose to them no 1st seed,and no way in hell do we go to the sb without the 1st seed

lmao well said . they were fucking dumpster

His o line was really good tho

@@Shawn.Mathew his o line was actually solid at pass protection in Indy most years I agree, but they couldn't create gaps in the run game worth shit. And it was definitely a reduction in pass protection as time went on in Denver. The dude was starting to get hit after damn near every play.

Agree 100%

Live & Maintain amen

Live & Maintain the nfl made indy superbowl contenders....

Exactly

John O'Malley HE ISN'T GOD

We are talking statue in Indianapolis..so one time superbowl champion, Max is talking about 55TD record well that was in Denver as well..you can't combine everything in his carrer for statue in one city..

Manning was a great regular season QB, but his inability to perform in big games, or in inclement weather, clouds his legacy in a big way. He was impressive, but a statue might be a stretch for him.

solomonwisearse two Super Bowls, four afc championships (3-1 record against Brady) along with four different coaches and two different teams destroy your "big game" theory considering NO QB IN NFL HISTORY HAS EVER WON CHAMPIONSHIPS THIS WAY NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSES U THROW OUT THERE TO THE CONTRARY PEYTON WON PLENNTTTY OF BIG GAMES !!!!!!!! they're all big games and Peyton won a lot of them especially for indie two hundred all time, the first player to ever amass that many as for the i climate weather well u should be slapped cause he had his best seasons playing in Denver where there is plenty inclimate weather. Your just a hater agree to disagree.

John O'Malley Von miller won the games not manning... manning had more interceptions than touchdowns that year...

Jason g weed doesn't make you this stupid! SAS is on CRACK!

Da weeeeeeeeeed

da weeeeeeeeduh

Jason g BITCH WHY DON’T U

ExilixE facts me to

Max is far more agreeable than Stephen A. to me. Stephen A relies a lot on emotional arguments.

Nope Stephen A is totally right about this

first football is a team sport second you play a sport to win games to win championships that’s the reason why athletes play the game!

Alquin Gamab You just prove my point. Teams when rings. Individuals like peyton are hof because his individual accomplishments. His stats speak for there self. Peyton is a Legend period.

What are you smoking he isn’t playing golf or tennis he’s playing football which has offense,defense & special teams accomplishments or accolades won’t matter if you didn’t win many games & championships that’s what people remember you firsthand!

Alquin Gamab Are you slow. Its callled indvidual awards. Have you heard of All pro teams. Hall of fame is individual accomplishments. If you dont get that i cant help you.

Pharoahe Walk i will school you fool hall of famers is in the last list of every athlete it’s basically a consolation if they didn’t win many games or if they didn’t win any championship so in other words hall of famers are for losers if championships is not on his or her resume!

Exactly. That has to always be considered!

Still not enough

@@strongman4451 nice b8 m8

ikr, I've never was a big fan if him. but he deserves one

If HE doesn't deserve one then who does lol We're talking about Peyton Manning here smh

KILLER9783 finally someone with common sense that isnt all over Mannings dick

You want a statue for a guy who won you 1 ring in 12 some what years.... Can I have one too?

Yeah become a top 5 qb of all time and you'll get one.

Swiftsmoke 3000 absolutely agree

Tom Brady is the Kobe

Jaideep Singh nope! Brady is the JORDAN

Ok I can agree to that but I will say more like kobe

James sucks

MikeYezzy Gaming greatest colt ? It's close. Johnny Unitas and also the tight end mackie are legends as well.

Peyton Manning is not greater than Johnny Unitas.

@@perezmoore4333 Manning is easily NOT even close to the greatest Colt ever.

You’re an idiot.

zelle908 the British special units

and only won 2 chips... SAS point is how do you give a guy a statue when someone that does not have have more rings. Status are not given for "ALMOST" players, they are given to players that close the deal

I think you meant to tag the other guy haha

That is the dumbest argument I've ever heard he has the stats and he has two super bowls. He may not have 5 or 6 but he has them end of story.

93brice You think it is a dumb arument for a person to ask why a person that did not win as much as other gets a statue when those people do not? LOL, I can see none of you are athletes. Here is one to remeber, if you are not first you are last. any stats you get on your way to a season where you do not win the chip does not matter. Why do you think Jordan told the warriors owner 73 dont means shit. Peyton is a regular season guy that won one chip with the cults, just one. please stop it

wizdumbbk bro he changed the game and won 5 mvp, broke every record. top 5 qb all time. Colts is trash without Peyton til this same day lmao

Jesse Alexander they should

Jesse Alexander the 49ers have a entire museum @Levis Stadium dedicated to the 49ers greats, which includes statues of Montana, Rice and others

Zordax they were dead with him.

They had Marshall Faulk

Zordax it shouldn't but apparently it does for some maybe those are salty colts fans regardless Peyton is very important to the broncos period

The colts were close to the browns before he got there

Maybe 2...bill isn't good without Tom and Peyton comes up small in big moments

Sam Theobald That’s not really an accurate portrayal of their playoff records. Peyton beat Brady 3 out of 4 times in AFC championship games and didn’t lose to Brady in a playoff game the last 11 years of his career.

I am not a pats fan but when peyton faces tom it is literally a shoot out

Brady is 11-6 against Peyton overall.

@@apachified3682 yes but has a losing record in the most important games. The playoffs

Jeremy Jackso

Jeremy Jackson Denver fan, and no he does not deserve a statue in Denver. But Stephan A trippn lmao

Jeremy Jackson facts

Jeremy Jackson wait u have 2 teams? Hmmmmmmmm lol

his bears sucked ass after that took that FAT L in the SB against the colts and then he went full pussy mode and became a bandwagon pats fan, like all of them do.

zelle908 he had great talent around him. Aikman was never that great.

That team deserves a statue

zelle908 facts Troy aikman is not that great in my book and to a cowboy to say that says a lot

LMAO

The_Archduke Yeah but Aikman was the one who led that team and controlled all of the egos. After that idiot Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson, Aikman was the only person that could maintain any semblance of discipline.

Your joking right? Ben is 13 post season wins, Manning has 14 (with 13 losses). Both have 3 conference titles with 2 superbowl rings. In a playoff game against a tough defense outside in cold weather, I'd take Ben over Peyton any day of the week, twice on Tuesday. I don't give 2 craps about regular season numbers, Ben is a much better clutch performer in big games than Peyton ever was

joneslt LMFAO

I get it, so QB wins is the only stat that matters to you. I'm guessing that you don't even understand the concept of a defense and how they help you win in the post-season. You and Stephen A. should go on a date together and you can talk about football and pretend that the other 21 starters don't exist.

I just compared their stats, and you are making it sound like Manning is on some other level than Ben. That's not the case. Manning can rack up insane stats if he's playing in a dome against a mediocre defense. Put Manning outside in the cold, windy snowy weather against a top 5 defense in a playoff game, and I'll take Ben over Peyton any day of the week. If you would pick Manning, then you weren't paying attention to all the times he came unglued in clutch situations.

joneslt LMFAOOO

kim sung gregorvich Well, I’d say they can type a little better and spell and use better grammar than “yall o ver there,” wherever that may be.

lol u trippin bout brady. Both of them deserve statues

Mary Cage stay off acid

Lay off the bath salts Mary.

Mary Cage fuck you mary

HAHAHAHAHA

R. Kurita I rather have von Miller over Peyton

jorge lomeli I'd rather have Peyton one one side, and Von Von sacking Brady in the other.

Rick DLC That would be great

In Indy sure but Denver ....come on. He wasn't in Denver long and he was sorry as shit the year they won the Super Bowl and won in spite of him that year.

+infopocalypse blahg he did alright

Thotty DaGod look what the Seahawks did to him and look what Brady did to the Seahawks.

OJ Fetti different teams...seahawks defensive puzzle was more or less solved by that team.. When Peyton played them, their defensive excellence was relatively new to teams and offenses. Almost all of Tom Brady's Superbowl wins were thanks to other players. Tbh I only see the falcon victory as a complete and utter Tom Brady victir...which was an amazing and spectacular performance which keeps him in the argument for greatest of all time. But a couple missed kicks, and Tom Brady's career is a little different

Not true at all. Look up the amount of pro bowlers manning played with and the amount tom Brady played with. It's an insane difference

Jesse Rivera most are offensive linemen and receivers...peyton only needs a good O-Line to be successful. He made his receivers. They were probowlers because of him. Yes Marvin and Reggie were a hall of fame talent. But the rest were only known because of him. Dallas Clark was a consistent probowlers and amazing tight end with manning, he left and people forgot about him. That's the blueprint for most other receivers that played with manning, look at what he did, DAY 1 with the broncos....immediately made them Superbowl contenders. (Even tho the team was pretty good with tebow) they weren't going to a Superbowl. But a team that good, all you needed was a decent quarterback to make the Broncos look like a playoff caliber team. Peyton got hurt and the Colts went 2-14. Brady got hurt and the Patriots went 11-5. That right there tells how good the team really was without their respective QBs

Thotty DaGod Peyton has always been stacked with great teams. I mean, I’m not going to keep debating this because it’s pointless but the broncos defense also was the one that put the team on their back (not Peyton) and won the Super Bowl. That’s just my opinion

People just want to praise TB and forget about Bill.

Thank you. Finally people that understand the "hidden facts" about the brady-manning convo. People want to jump straight to rings and don't understand that rings are a result of teams. Hence the reason Marino never won a ring. Manning had the personal accomplishments, the things you win by yourself. Brady only has rings over manning.

Alex Miller well said.

Wtf Peyton had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne his whole career tom Brady had Randy moss 1 season

haitian mo obviously you don't watch football otherwise you would know brady had moss 3 seasons. And i guess rob gronkowski isn't a great player. I guess wes welker (who played his prime years with brady) wasn't a great player. Let's not even begin to talk about the defensive support brady had when manning had little to no one. And when looking had head coaches I think we can both agree bill is better than anyone the colts or broncos had while manning played for them. He had to basically run the entire offense himself.

They should fire him and build a statue for him

Robert James after this no he should not

Without question he knows nothing about the game of football

I bet Stephen has noooooooo problem with Ray Lewis having a statue.

Why would you give you Peyton Manning a Statue in Indy.. Maybe a head bust in the Hall of Fame... not a Statue... I guess Indy doesn't have anyone else though lol

Green Bay was already a mystique franchise when Favre came there. I am from Indiana and I can tell you that Peyton revolutionized Hoosier's thinking on the subject of football. He built Lucas Oil and transformed the city.

You're right he probably does but its not mannings fault GB didn't want to build one for him.

drinkingpoolwater good point

Van PastorMan AGREED...PEYTON HAS PUT IN WORK IN INDIANAPOLIS AND NOT TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL...

drinkingpoolwater tell that to the packers

Oh man there would be hell to pay! Lol!

Tyree Logan did it with Denver

And a 43-8 ass whooping in the biggest stage of football...

Exactly. If other teams want to put a statue of their greatest player outside their stadium, that's cool too. SAS is just hatin'.

He can get one there too

he's the Goat

​@@sibiantony6397 no he's not....Brady's the 🐐 and anybody who has an IQ above a cucumber knows that.

MrXxEclipsexX Sure. Anyone remember world’s most stupid play call ever when Seattle got beat by the Patriots? Anyone remember Eli Manning beating Brady he year Brady set touchdown passing records, as did Randy Moss? That “almost” perfect season?

renaizman 😂 just saying.. everyone that season picked the record breaking broncos to easily win against the inexperienced team of Seattle

anyone remember when seattle didn’t run the ball at the goal line

Est Mer tom Brady doesn't get carried by his defense tho

Drowsy agreed

Drowsy for one season. He didn’t have that defense the others

Est Mer who has. nfl fans are so stupid doesn't understand the concept of team efforts n talent available to succeed

Stupid comment- the coach doesn’t throw the ball for him