I have always been astounded by the lack of interest in exploring the coroner being told to NOT do the only real obligation in her job description as the County Coroner. In this situation, she would had held higher authority than the other LE at the crime scene and possibly had the power to restrict access with possible arrest for anyone including LE for violation of her orders.
Kratz and other people we haven’t heard from in a long time are popping up because the case is moving forward & maybe not their way so they have to say something to save face
One of the most unbelievable aspects of this whole saga is when Brendan's convictions was overturned only to have the next higher up court reverse the decision.
Yes, bringing in several more judges until they got the answer 'right' would be laughable if it didn't involve the liberty of a totally innocent young man who was a child at the time. Justice really is blind in America... to the Truth !
@@cwwiss1 The ignorance is STUNNING. Brendan's case was heard en banc which requires a majority of the full bench to agree that the original court applied the law incorrectly. The judges come from 3 different states, Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin. Federal appellate judges are THE fairest minded and balanced judges in the US. But all the pro-Avery ignoramuses blame the system or the judges for railroading Avery/Dassey. Why don't you stop all this nonsense and admit the obvious truth-Avery killed that poor girl and Brendan assisted him in SOME way.
You mean speculation, theory, and conjecture. Even those of us who believe the evidence in the case can't say (or shouldn't say) for 100% certain he did it. We just weren't there. Only thing we can go on is the evidence.
I use my knees to think… I also know he is framed AGAIN! Who will keep the car key in his house… if he is the murderer. Anyone, including the police or person can possibly plant the key there too.
Lots of people are suddenly stepping up; I'm thinking, "Where were you when he needed you?". I take it as a sign that this case is going to blow wide open. Everyone thinks so now but for 17 years nobody was interested.
I’ve noticed that too. It’s interesting to see who pops up and who comes crawling back out of the woodwork, so to speak! Makes you wonder what’s going on as there’s a lot of noise at the moment and feels like something big is coming. It’s certainly keeping the case in view of the public and more people are finding out about it and it’s gaining a lot of interest again. I’m curious to see where all of this goes.
Here’s an idea that never gets talked about 1. Did Bobby ever work in Salvage yard because when the license plates were found they were curled up now Steven mentioned when plates are taken off the vehicle they always curled the plates up that was there SOP so whoever planted the vehicle worked at the yard that leaves you with Steven,Earl and Charles I believe I heard Earl had an eye appointment that day so that only leaves Steven and Chuck as the main perpetrators of the murder
I think it’s interesting she gets people from law enforcement contacting her. It was good to see the content of the message she received - I also think she should have removed the officers name from the message as it could have repercussions for her 😮potentially. I hope the officer didn’t base her opinion purely from watching MAM as there’s an awful lot more to the case than was shown on the series. I find this case fascinating and have done for many years. I’m still nowhere near going through everything about it though , there’s such a huge amount of information to read / listen to/ watch etc. I appreciate your updates and also appreciate the work Foul Play and many others put into this case. It’s an eye opener and a learning process, for sure!
@@kellyclarkclark5778 Thank you. The Mother reported her missing at 2:51. So 3:00pm Dispatch sends out the call to all units. 2 hrs 34 mins. 17:34 was the time of the despicable call out. Just so insane they had him in their sights so early. And there was another call out after they found the RAV4 "Is he in custody"
@shanecarless4671 If you would actually read the trial transcripts I've suggested to you before, you'd know that it was a case of confusion. Dean Strang cross-examined witnesses himself and found that out. TL;DR Someone came up to the blockade outside of Avery's (after the RAV was found) and they ran their info. Came back with a body-only warrant. It was announced they had a body-only warrant on the radio and Jacob's assumed it was for Steven Avery due to the finding of the RAV. What MaM doesn't show you is the rest of that dispatch call which is important for context. Another instance of their editing.
Please relay this message to Kathleen zelner : when you asked that Rembrandt guy to show you where he saw the fire how did he know exactly where it was ? I believe only the real killer would have known where the burn pit was
If you watched the series (apparently which did not cover the entirely of the case), one could easily pick up the conflict of interest there. In most countries it would have been thrown out. I thought Avery's lawyers went in thinking that but as Kathleen Zellner said they didn't realise who they were dealing with.
kk is a classic narcissist in that he complains that other people purposefully neglect to discuss points of the case that he thinks verify the legitimacy of the conviction while at the same time wanting to only answer questions that fit the parameters that he chooses to discuss.
I'm not a professional but I do believe I can spot guilt in a person I say this because I've watched mam and to me that cop I forgot his name he showed guilt all over his face at Steven's trial they were lying under oath . Steven and brendan should of been freed long ago I've never in my life known such corruption in the law. There needs to be a new fresh set of eyes new judges etc who are decent and honest that can see like the rest of us that steven was framed and they used poor brendan because they new he had disabilities which is cruel beyond words. There was never any evidence of a crime in Steven's trailer because teresa was never there but yet they still took the words of a poorly disabled young boy. I pray to God that steven gets a new trial so kz can show all the evidence . All those involved with this framing need to be held accountable and be given long prison sentences
I cannot confirmed or deny reports of how corrupt the MTSO is beyond SA, but I will make a point that the MTSO has a tendency of getting bent out of shape, over the slight possibility that the department planted evidence, murdered TH (to the best of my knowledge I'm not sure how many believes this), or were somehow involved with her death. But, You have a DA and prosecutors write letters giving the local judge an ultimatum, KK actually admitting he got in an argument with the judge. I'm not a lawyer nor a judge, but how is this acceptable behavior? Lawyers often will tell you never PO a judge. And yet nobody is being reprimanded. It's either the tail is wagging the dog, or the police are like the mob. Therefore, I can't rule out the possibility the current judge was threatened behind closed doors. I can't rule out that the police did kill TH, or they are some how involved with TH's death. And I cannot speak for everyone that is from a small town, but I never once anyone say they love the police publicly. If I saw that, pretty much everyone would translate it, I hate the police but I'm afraid of them. I don't want to villify every officer who,'s only guilt is working for the MTSO. Some never worked for the department during SA's and BD's conviction. Some had nothing to do with the investigation. And others tried to do their job, but were caught in the middle. I've worked for bad employers and toxic work environments. I know what it's like getting lumped in over who you work for. But the more the reports I read, the more I see a number of officers (not all of them) act very unprofessionally. Even if the MTSO has 90% corrupt officers on the force, there's still 10% good officers. And it takes only a few bad officers to ruin the reputation of the entire police force. As KK suddenly making his presence known online. I suspect KZ has something or found something he doesn't want getting out. So, I'm convinced he's afraid.
I don't agree with everything you've stated, however I think you bring up an interesting topic. For those who know Steven and Brendan are innocent, do we believe that it's solely a few officers to blame, or is it fair to group them together? I honestly feel fairness in looking at them as a group. I can elaborate on this another time, as I'm on a break at work right now. But, I would love to know others responses to this topic?
@jackielanestephan8666 Change the workplace, and I doubt you'd feel it's fair to group them together. If one teacher in a school is inappropriately touching children, a few others learn of this or suspect it, and the rest have no idea it's going on, is it fair to sack everyone? How would you feel if one day the entire career you worked for and built up dissolved because of a situation you knew nothing about?
@@RavensFanJ There's a few people in Parliament who lobbied to lower the age of consent to 14 yrs old, especially for boys. They didn't get the vote but they'll keep trying Joe Cox and Jill Dando are no longer with us, due to trying to uncover a paedophile ring amongst a group of wealthy rich people Barry George was found guilty for the murder of Jill Dando 26 April1999. Evidence hair in his pocket matched Jill's DNA Barry George was acquitted of the crime 2008. Witnesses who saw a man walking away from the scene, did not pick Barry out of a line up. Joe Cox murderer was picked up 52 minutes after the incident. Police officers said they saw Thomas walking up the street and one officer said "Oi, are you Thomas Maher? Are you the one who stabbed Joe cox to death?" Thomas Maher turned around and said"Yeah, that's me"
@@RavensFanJ So, to elaborate better, I certainly wouldn't want, nor expect that every Manitowoc Officer be held in prison, or legally to what a select few did. However, I do feel justified in the stigma and reputation those few made for The Manitowoc Police Department. For instance, do I think it's fair to say, I never want to live, or even drive through The State of Wisconsin? Yes, I do. There broken reputation may very well have been made by only a small percentage, but you also need to take into account the line of work that The Manitowoc Police Department is SUPPOSED to be doing. They are SUPPOSED TO BE upholding the law, seeking real murderers (not making them), and gathering true evidence in cases. That's their job! So, yes, if their entire reputation falls upon their failures of doing this, I have a right to say, "I will never even be passing through their State. God only knows what they would do, if I got stopped..." And, let's be clear, it's not even just their failures to perform their jobs, but it's the fact that none of them have ever offered to stand up and do what's right! They still haven't acknowledged their faults and told the truth. Furthermore, when you're in the line of work where your reputation is a part of that job, it's up to those law officials to uphold that image. When, instead, you're upholding and standing by lies, those positions deserve to be questioned!
I have always thought he was framed, and i think they know who commited it to but turned a blind eye.. Steven and Brendan stood no chance, criminal and they should all be in jail themselves.
There was quite a bit of DNA in this case. If you think there isn't, you need to take a look at the evidence. Blood in the RAV (both Steven's and Teresa's), Steven's sweat/skin cell mixture DNA on the hood latch of the RAV, Teresa's DNA on a bullet found in Avery's garage that was ballistically matched to the .22 caliber rifle that was hanging over his bed, and his touch DNA on the key to that vehicle that was found in his bedroom. Whether you choose to dispute that DNA evidence is one thing, but it was there.
@@RavensFanJyes there was planted blood of steven in Rav 4 also his DNA swab was switched by weighert from his groin and weighert handed it in under another cops name .also the bullet found in his garage with paint and wood on the tip off it ,which now vile kratz is saying that the bullet didn’t kill poor Teresa .also the key that was planted in stevens bedroom .vile kratz is saying so what if it was planted .how low can these so called crack pot detectives go .and vile prosecutors to convict two innocent men one a boy at the time .
I can't understand why TH's family doesn't want to catch the REAL murderer. I would like to know more about the family situation. At least as a parent you are completely freaked out when you even begin to imagine that the real murderer of my daughter wasn't caught?!?!
Because there is so much evidence against Avery that they found him guilty at trial. They (like most people who didn't solely get swayed by MaM) believe he's guilty.
He was. He was interviewed and had a background check done. He has no connection whatsoever. Only the rumor about the day planner that got spread online. From MaM wiki. "There is no direct evidence (i.e. an eye witness) of Hillegas having possession of the day planner after the murder and outside Halbach's residence. There is only evidence of Hillegas having it when inside the residence with friends and family of Halbach."
@@RavensFanJ He was NOT interviewed PROPERLY, we have already discussed that 1-2 days ago, on another video ... why do you keep writing stuff like that, cherry-picking-half facts?!?!?!?! He was not known initially as a former boyfriend (because he "didn't feel that it mattered"), but "just a friend of hers", he was interviewed in the same room with Scott, he was not asked of his "whereabouts whatsoever" (source trial transcript), it's NOT CLEAR how and why he has the day planner and his demeanour is a bit off ......... saying just "he was interviewed" is cherry-picking ;) ............. you keep doing that, WHY?! He was NOT interviewed as her EX, that's the problem here, get it?
@@RavensFanJ I refuse to think that you're a real person, I just can't see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's clear that you are here on a mission! You act just like that!
@@JazzNazz1 I see nothing wrong with what Shane said. He's entitled to his opinion, too! Furthermore, define "civil." Belittling someone or intimidating one for saying what they believe, is far from CIVIL AND NICE.
