0:30 I love how unimpressed Gerri looks throughout this whole interaction. Dismissing her 'concerns' with "uh huh" declining her offer to sit down to take away Shivs control of the situation and replying to her long speech with "I can cope" and biting back when she tries to get her to report him. Shivs over confidence and entitlement drags her down once again
This scene is better after the finale. Gerri, Frank and Carl sometimes seem like they don’t know what they’re doing but you forget they’re the ones who got to the top through their skill. Whereas the Roys who think they’re so brilliant are only there cuz they’re related.
Obviously they have real business skills (within the context of the show), but their real skill is eating the Roy's shit for years and years and years and remaining loyal. Gerri has kept quiet about far worse things than what Roman did.
Sometimes, playing your cards close to the chest can look a lot like not knowing what you're doing. It gives the perps the confidence to take enough rope to hang themselves with, making your job that much easier.
And Logan expecting 3 of his kids are mirroring his old guards but none of them are professionals just like his old guards. They don't know what they're doing, they never work, they always blame each other, and they are still childish. They are still the kids who are playing outside their dad's office and not serious people.
Gerri is always so composed. Even when the FBI came knocking and everyone was freaking out, she was the one who was rational and very clear to Logan about what needed to be done.
I love how Shiv was trying to strong-arm Gerri in this scene because it's hilariously transparent. She sits down, expecting Gerri to follow, but Gerri plays "dumb" and stays standing which made things instantly awkward for _Shiv_ and put her at a disadvantage because Gerri was standing above her. So she has to stand up again and get on Gerri's eye level. And then trying to make Gerri a victim and when that didn't work make it seem like Gerri's been enjoying Rome's sexual advances (insinuating there's a sexual history that has been going on for a while). It was so jejune (lol) of Shiv and amateurish. And shameless. She really wants Rome's mistake to be her opening to get the top job and manipulate Gerri to get there without realizing that to get where Gerri is, you have to put up with a lot of shit along the way to get to the top. You don't just waltz to the top because daddy owns the company. Gerri's legal counsel for a Fortune 500, advising one of the world's most important men, smart, shrewd, careful, all while being the only woman in Logan's inner-circle (and middle-age, no less, which seems even more shocking given that you'd expect ageism to work against her even more). Shiv is far too immature for the job, let alone be taken seriously by anyone who has even any sort of professional pride and who's had to deal with Logan for decades. Edit: fixed two words
Shiv is about to find out what a woman who actually had to genuiely fight in a hostile world is capable of. I hope Gerri destroys her, it's gonna be so sexy.
I love Gerri. Great actress, great part. She is both impressive, formidable and adorably cutely likeable. And in her 60’s too. I can’t wait to see shivs fall after giving Gerri that patronising shoulder slap.
Thank you! I'm baffled by how many people think she's the most relatable and the best character. She's just dumber female Logan basically. And she's aware of this so she takes it out on Tom who she thinks is beneath her.
@@trillionpacks3815 Cersei didn't sucess at almost anything, couldn't control his child, coundl't control King's Landing, messed up her relation with Jaime, the only thing she did was beating Ned Stark and just because he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. In the books the difference is huge between the first book, in which Cersei has no chapters from her point of view and you think she is a master mind and the next ones when reality is unveiled and you see her as the neurotic entitled brat she actually is.
@@trillionpacks3815 Cersei isn't half as smart as she thinks she is either. But she's definitely not smarter than Shiv or as smart. Cersei is a failure because she lacks the brains of both Tywin and Tyrion. The show may make it "appear" as though she is smart to make her a stronger antagonist. But it's very clear from the books that Cersei isn't significantly smarter than average at all. Shiv was actually highly intelligent and found success in politics. Being beaten by Logan, who is an expert at what he does, does not make her less intelligent. He wouldn't be able to beat her in her expertise either.
It all goes back to the "how much is a gallon of milk" scene. The roy siblings dont know what it is to fight for things, both from their sheltered upbringing and from their psychological abuse at logan and caroline's hands. They think they are entitled to the top job because they are logan's kids, but at the end of the day they can't do Jack shit. This scene is so good bc shiv (as much as I love her character) really thought she could passive aggressively threaten gerri, a well seasoned businesswoman who, even at her age, is on Logan's inner circle. It's so much funnier given the context of the season finale. There's a reason gerri knew about the gojo deal and the kids didnt. Just like Rhea put it: "shiv thinks shes smarter than she really is".
@@suhailmustafa2724 I remember reading it from a Game of Thrones video, When Sir Barristan Selmy retired and someone used the same quote. I just didn't fully remember it word for word. thanks
0:30 I love how unimpressed Gerri looks throughout this whole interaction. Dismissing her 'concerns' with "uh huh" declining her offer to sit down to take away Shivs control of the situation and replying to her long speech with "I can cope" and biting back when she tries to get her to report him. Even when she tries to mention Logan by saying "I just wanna get this clear, for my Dad" she doesn't flinch because she know that Logan doesn't give a solitary fuck about her well being or if she was harassed and that this whole conversation is one of the Roy kids games. Shivs over confidence and entitlement drags her down once again
Gerri and Shiv is not in the same level for a matchup here. SPOILER ALERT :: Gerri played Logan like a pro and Won! Shiv couldnt even play her own husband whom she married to keep as a pet. Tom gave so many hints showing he can be the smartest one. Even Roman figured it when he asked shiv "should i be worried about Tom?' . But Shiv completely underestimated her husband living under the same fucking roof for years. I cant believe she did not see it coming. Tom wouldnt have Won at the end if Shiv hadnt made it so easy for him to win. Shiv underestimates everyone, which leads to her downfall eventually. She fools everyone into thinking she is the best and smartest one. But some of the viewers aint fool. We know whats going on here. After all the seasons one can simply put it out that SHIV IS NOT AS SMART AS SHE THINKS SHE IS. This is a massive vulnerability. All in all, at this level Gerri is way way ahead of Shiv. But maybe in Season 4 if Shiv can power up after seeing what her vulnerability did to her and her siblings.
Spoilers: Shiv shot herself in the foot doing this, severing the ties between Gerri and Roman. Had Shiv not done this it is possible Gerri could have tipped Roman off about the interception of their plan, to use the super-majority and it being rendered useless, possibly stopping it from happening.
nah - gerri is too loyal to logan. and she's wicked smart and a huge gambler too. in season one it looked like she was gonna stab logan in the vote for no confidence but i think she planned it out properly to get kendal and half the board off so she can gain more power.
Bro the way Gerri played them on this and left Roman in the dust when Logan was selling...like they are all bad but damn she cut Roman deep on this one.
😃 Well well well… now this is girls’ talk 😜 Shiv pushing and trying to get smth from Gerry, but the latter stays put. Well done Gerry! 👍🏻 This is a powerful scene! Five star 🌟 acting both!
Damn Roman really fucked up...But I wouldn't worry about Gerri, she's got so much dirt on this family she probably wouldn't get fired in another lifetime...and if she does get fired, she's probably gonna rain a shitstorm on Logan...
Gerri's got the patience of a serial killer and knows how to play the long game. She and Marcia have the ability to bury the entire family. Logan better pray he's smart enough not to fuck with either of them.
Its only starting to strike me right now how much the Roys are pretty much the Lannisters. Shiv is Cersei, acting sleek when she wants something and thinking herself smarter than she is. Roman is Tyrion, craving his father's esteem but often failing at it and acting like the clown. Kendall is Jaime, the eldest son but failing to live up to his father's skills, way too nice in comparison to his father as well which puts him in a predicament. Obviously Logan is Tywin, the celibate patriarch, force of nature, leading his clan with an iron hand. I just think Logan is more instinctive and hot blooded than Tywin whereas Tywin is more intellectually smart, cold blooded and really 10 steps ahead of everyone else. Logan seems to be less in control of what he does in the show. Also Logan manages to be 100 times more odious than Tywin, and much, much worse to his children than Tywin (Tyrion being the exception). On the other hand, I think Logan deep down loves his children much more than Tywin does.
This scene is perfectly representative of why I hate Shiv. She pretends to be progressive, to be liberal, to be a feminist; but really she's just another member of the old boys' club.
Very dumb move from Shiv. Going against Roman is going against Logan and Gerri know better than to want that smoke. Shiv main flaw was always her ability to read the room.
Shiv thinks she’s smarter than she really is. The fact she tries so hard to look conferenced is one of her many flaws. She can’t show compassion and has a warped sense of her position.
@@SolidHelion Yeah it's bad for Roman but it's not as bad for her. She could just deny everything and not have to stand there being threatened by Shiv.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth it is implied in the episode that some family members were aware of his "tendencies" but didn't reveal anything due to lack of evidence. Moreover, Gerri plays it really smart here as a fierce denial response could mean an attempt to conceal consent.
Shiv believed that sexism is why she couldn’t get ahead, and she was right to a degree, but if sexism wasn’t a thing Shiv still wouldn’t have gotten ahead because Gerri would be Queen B for life
Sarah Snook is doing such a great job tbh. I find Shiv to be the coldest of the 3. Idk if it's the writing, but her character just doesn't have as much emotional development in the way that Kendall and Roman do and therefore she is harder to empathize with. Kendall and Roman are both seen to struggle with their love for their family when faced with the choice of screwing them over to further their CEO agenda. I actually feel like Roman might be the most sensitive to it. I don't feel that with Shiv. There was a bit in the scenes with Shiv and Caroline that made me really feel empathy for her so hopefully we get more of that. But overall she's just better at shutting her emotions off than Roman or Kendal I think.
You guys are stupid. Shiv sees the move and plays it perfectly. Yeah, Gerri is smart too, but as soon as she realized Shiv could use her silence against her, she saw that she was in trouble. Gerri is good, but Shiv has the upper hand right now.
initially...yes. but it's a clown move to allow gerri the time to think it over and communicate w "some people" i.e lawyers. gerri is v smart and can easily maneuver her away around this w time. shiv should've kept her cornered whilst she was unprepared and vulnerable.
Nah Shiv's pure glee to use this situation with Gerri to take down Roman will come back to bite her. She will get overly confident and it will be her undoing, just like when she ruined her chance at CEO in s2. Gerri is more measured, has vastly more experience, and has more to lose. I wouldn't bet on Shiv here.
Nuh uh, Shiv thinks she is playing it perfectly but she is signaling her intentions so hard and fumbling it. She isn't as smart and smooth as she thinks she is here.
Compare this to their little duel is season 1 before Shivs wedding... Shiv really isn't that good at this corporate shit, should have stayed in politics.
This is why Shiv could never be top dog. She only plays 4 herself. If someone hurts her she lashes out emotionally. She perfectly happy to use the woman card to advance her position in the company even tough she the only one of their children who never put in any time in the company and is only there bec daddy dangled the top position to her. I know other people are impressed with her but i dont like her character development. she uses that daddy girl card way too much n happy to see when it backfires in her face.
