Perhaps yet Greg has helped Tom yet I do not envy Tom. Shiv may be working with Mattson yet Kendy's UK car ride and all the dirt Gerri has on Rome...we shall see. Greg is a bottom feeder at best.
@@birdy1numnum bottom feeder my ass Greg is smarter then Shiv, he learned how to play the game in a short period of time, Shiv has been around these people her whole life and still doesn’t.
@@ezioauditore6038 I think that's the point. Greg flies under people's radar. He looks and talks like a fool, but he is an opportunistic s**t. He showed his true colors for a split second before going back to being the klutz.
Exactly what I'm thinking on rewatch. I think Kendall is going to successfully be the sole-CEO and do a good job at it. It'll only cost him his relationship with his brother, sister, and kids.
@@DLSacks I think the point of the show is that "doing a good job as CEO" in this environment is incompatible with healthy interpersonal relationships. If so, it will be a hollow, hollow victory.
But he's not a killer. I think Rom wins due to his alliance with Mencken. I do agree with you though. Of the three, Ken has moments that look like empathy and collaboration. He is also open to the possibility that people have agency and might say one thing and do another. He might just be doing it to get what he wants, but he does seem capable of engendering some small amount of loyalty. (The "set you up with my watch guy" thing was likely due to his entitlement.) Personally I've been team Geri since season 1.
@@tobiasrieper6640 Really good call, now that we have E9. Yes, the writers were very clear and deliberate about setting it up throughout this season, but still…
I love how Kendall just immediately turns around and leaves the room after shiv says, "uh... they're busy". It's exactly how Logan would've reacted to that.
Sarah Snook’s performance in the whole series is something extraordinary. The way she can show fear of being caught only by her eyes and poker face is soooooo difficult to do. Just give her the Emmy, hands down.
You might hate Shiv's character but you can't deny that Sarah Snook is a fucking fantastic actress. She had me nervously sweating and howling with laughter at the same time in this scene
I hate Shiv, but I like how the show uses her as this sympathetic villain. Now that she's on her own with a powerful backer I think the next two episodes are going to be chaotic af.
Kendall and Roman mocking Shivs stuttering and corny “there comes a time” is identical to Logan mocking her at the end of season 3. Crazy and brilliant how they made that full circle.
That's been one of her worst qualities thru the whole show (in terms of business), she is bad at lying. Next would be that she is bad at negotiating. This Greg thing happened because she did the same thing as when Roman and Connor asked what do they get for putting names on the publicly trashing Ken letter and she just said that they are babies and didn't negotiate. Then add to that her business knowledge is maybe the worst. She didn't agree to go into Shanghai, even when fast-tracked she left the Waystar most of the times or read magazines because she is lazy and felt entitled and beneith her to learn the basics by Frank teaching her. Even Roman started from the basics and started to build from there. Like sure Shiv might be the smartest but she has way too much to learn and she wants the top position immidiatelly without much work.
@@gbenselumno she’s always been terrible at lying when called out on the spot she’s only smart at scheming when ppl don’t know but her business acumen is terrible
@@HiveMind629 Shiv is probably the worst. She is not as smart as she thinks she is. She just pretends that she is smart but nobody takes her seriously and everyone used her. In all 4 seasons of the show, everyone is using her in some kind of way for their own grand plans. Tom, her husband is using her, Her Dad is using her when he feels he needs her, The socialist politician Gil used her to stick it to her dad, The Swedish guy used her. At the end she ended up with no power because she never deserved it.
2:58 There is something so nuanced about Roman's expression here when he looks at Shiv. Especially that slightest small smirk at the end. It's the perfect incredulous look that someone gives to anyone they know is guilty, but does so with a small sense of pity. Great acting by Kieran.
2:43 I'm pissed that it's hard to see through the glass clearly here as this transition between the confused look to the menacing grin to Shiv is genius
“There comes a time when you need to stand up for what you believe in” Shiv laughed in Kendalls face when he used that bs in the first episode of season three now she wants some sympathy, self preservation at its finest😂
I think Logan would be proud of Kendall in this moment. He wouldn't be proud of the ethical waffling beforehand, but once Kendall knows he's been betrayed he becomes like his father. He metaphorically kills Shiv, he mocks her, he's won and she's lost and that's all he cares about. It's all his dad ever cared about.
Seeing Kendall distressed about his daughter and the ethical choices, this episode was all put aside the moment he realzies he's been betrayed. That look on his face is great to see
Why is it great to see that poor Kendall was betrayed yet again by his own sister. If he does it, he’s awful but it’s okay for them to do it to him. They always throw him to the wolves
"Don't call them" "Why" "uhh cuzderbusy" great excuse Shiv. Also Tom leaving the room every time she appears had me laughing while my heart was, well, Shiv'd
really interesting that when tom called shiv "hysterical", ken immediately went after his throat, but as soon as she's no longer on his side he stops defending her.
Its clear to me that Kendall knew something was up with Shiv so he set her up by asking her to call Nate and see if she'd actually do that. He couldve just called Nate himself and he'd always pick up the phone since they were old pals and used to "run around shanghai together". And that was why he and Roman asked Shiv to invite Nate to the tailgate party and not did it himself and to their 'surprise', Matsson showed up too, conveniently just in time for the party. It takes about 9hrs direct flight from Stockholm to NY, so the timing tracked that Matsson flew as soon as they informed Shiv the decision to go regulatory during breakfast that day. Furthermore, Kendall asked Greg a seemingly simple question regarding Shiv and Matsson. Hence the 'goose trying to sh*t a house brick' confirming he's had suspicions that Shiv was working with Matsson. This is their Michael-Fredo "I knew it was you" scene.
As soon as Kendall looked up at Shiv while he was on the phone, this entire scene from start to finish just got better and better, and became my all time favorite scene from the show. It's so good.
Man that turn Ken does at 1:52 is fucking TERRIFYING! If you've ever tried to bullshit a parent about bad grades or missing assignments...you know this look lol
Sarah is so great in this scene, the way Shiv reacted here just cracked me up in some moments. Absolutely couldn't lie here lmao. "They're.... uhh they're busy??" Door opens and shuts
Shiv is always is one small step away from triumph, blocked by her own sheer arrogance and total lack of self-awareness. Nate knew what she was up to, all she had to do was call him and ask him to corroborate if he got a follow-up call! Also, the writing team obviously based much of this episode on the current political climate, but I found this scene in particular to be perfectly representative. The Republicans are still that Simpson's meme "We're just plain evil!". The Democrats too operate entirely out of their own self-interests and thirst for power, but if you stop to question whether your interests are included in those, it's instant pearl clutching as Shiv pulls out here. One of my favorite in the whole series.
bro kendall was so scary when he stares at shiv through the glass. Like my stomach knotted and i got taken back to all the times that i was caught lying and bruh, kendall just projects intimidation in that scene. this is not someone shiv can bully like in first season
@@jimmylee9120 no thats not it, she would have had more power if she voted for Ken but then Ken would have been above her, and this she could not accept. She would much rather have less power if it means she has more power than Ken
@@cainandabel7059 🤣🤣 are you dumb? Ofc there is a difference. Her husband on the throne. Someone who she is having a child with or her brother who she barley talks to...
@@jlopezb04 that's like being the puppet of a president... You still have ALOT more power than anyone else... In the situation where Kendal wins she gets lot less power
Greg's 'fuck you' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is the best. Just prior Shiv could of bought his silence and she bottled it, Only Kendall is smart enough to utilize the Greg
I love this scene so much. Shiv's little "don't call him!", then the violins start, Roman's talking shit at her but she's trying to look like she's not paying attention to Ken as he discovers her lie. And finally the "ohhhh fuck" on her face when she sees him talking to Greg. Lol. Throughout the series Shiv is treated like a little girl, and you're kind of like "that's not fair" then she pulls some shit like this and you're like "this is exactly how a little girl would act". Roman's reaction is excellent too. He has two serious moments in this episode; one when he hears that somebody pushed Ken's daughter, and the other when he hears that Shiv is working for Matsson. He's angry and hurt, but he'll worry about it later, because he has a fascist to install in the whitehouse.
a fantastic scene. Also this is where I did not root for anyone. They are all humongously flawed people. This scene was written to remind us of that before we got too attached. Shiv wanting a non fascist but also to be a power player at gojo waystar, Roman sacrificing the country for his bid to be CEO, Kendall sacrificing the country for his bid to be ceo and then simultaneously saying eff you to his children like his Dad, the poison indeed drips through. Connor’s wife trading in her principles for the perks of ambassadorship. This episode was the ramifications of the selfishness of the players involved. When you have a crazy guy like Matson shocked at how crazy the situation is then you know it was effen crazy. Also look at Greg smashing the knowledge wine bottle like Tom said at Shiv. I thought episode 3 of this season could not be topped but I am wrong. So far this frenetic episode topped it.
Kendall made the mistake of putting ALL of his faith in his family and their business… His sobriety, his SANITY- He let it all hinge on these people. And he got Shiv’d for it.
He’s a good person whose flawed and was blinded to the fact that he just can’t trust his family because all they have done is betray him which has lead him to do the same to them since all they do is betray him and try to destroy his chances of running their father’s business
@@kathrynorozco5416 Kendall cares too much about the wrong things, Roman has never cared enough about anything, and Shiv has always been indecisive about what and who she cares about. All courtesy of Logan Roy’s “parenting.” Ultimately, we were silly to have the hope that they could break free- But that’s a really bitter pill to swallow. Fitting, but genuinely tragic ending for the siblings. (Only Connor still has a shot at some happiness. He’s the only Roy that came close to “winning” anything of real substance.)
Kendall is NOT a good person and part of the whole show was about showing that. I think we have a natural tendency to try to idebtify with a hero, whoch is why so many people still idolized Walter White when he did the most heinous unforgiveable shit. Kendall didn’t miss out on his happy ending because he was a good guy who got betrayed by his family. He missed out because he was an arrogant, pathetic, morally bankrupt and inept asshole and loser who only cared about succeeding, and those traits didn’t protect him from Shiv’s equally reprehensible arrogance, jealousy and spite. He sold his soul to win, and became his father (but with none of his father’s successful qualities and competence). He sold his soul as a father and chose the top job instead, he sold his soul as a man and sold his country to a maniac. All so he could have a job he would have been terrible at, as evidenced by every season of the show. Any time he had a win he royally fucked it up because he’s a goof and a loser. The show unequivocally said ‘this is not a good man’ when he chose to back Menken knowing what it would mean for his kids. His own ego was more important. Logan had ego, and sacrificed being a good father for his ambition. But logan was competent. Looking at the way Kendall became an arrogant, bumbling fool and asshole when he was winning (immediately after he publicly went after his Dad at the end of season 2) and the way he treated people around him… this is not a man who would have been any better even if he won. Kendall was even worse when he was winning.
The biggest testament to the performances, especially by the lead actors in these last few episodes is that we don’t actually miss Logan’s presence. He feels present through his kids. Kendall even mentions it when he’s being honest that maybe it passes down and he’ll be like his dad. Great writing amazing performances awesome show
This was my favorite scene in the episode. Shiv getting caught and pathetically trying to talk her way out of it was very entertaining. Did you guys notice at 1:27 in the video, Shiv’s eyes bug out when Kendall said he was going to call Nate? I laughed so hard! Lol! Did she honestly think he wouldn’t call himself to get answers? When she saw the look on Kendall’s face while on the phone, she knew she was f***. But when she saw him talking to Greg, she knew she was royally f***. Greg may be a goof but he’s a valuable one. She shouldn’t have threatened him.
@Jennie K Nah when Shiv is in the right she becomes very likeable, like a few episodes back when she was telling the two of them to stop trying to tank the deal 😂 but when she is in the wrong she really takes the cake
Shiv is a front runner who always finishes last due to her own envy and jealousy grounded in the fact that she feels she never got a fair shake because she was born a woman.
She never got a "fair shake" in this company cause she was playing politics until season 2 she's is the most inexperienced not surprised at all Matteson snakes her
maybe it’s me having being caught in a lie more times than i can count but man i don’t understand how people don’t practice that “what bs am I gonna pull out of my ass if someone finds out im doing this” excuse
i hated shiv more than roman this episode, he was annoying and too pushy but at least his intentions were crystal clear while shiv pretending to care about the country bc it fits her agenda was disgusting, and she actually believes on her own bs sometimes, kendall was unsure about mencken and if she actually cared about the country she would've called nate even if it meant no gojo aquisition, and kendall would side with her had she got a little something from jimenez. also she underestimated greg so much that it was dumb, she knew he knew and what could happen if he tells her brothers and even so prefered to threaten him, tf did she mean by that, "keep your internal organs" doens't even mean anything, she thinks she's unbeatable sometimes and acts all cocky in situations that had she been careful, she would've succeeded, buy greg, get something from nate, save the country and she is smart enough to try to mantain the deal later, but no. from all of the 3 siblings, kendall is the only one who deserves some sort of happy ending honestly. that said, i love this show.
Kendall accidentally killed a guy but never turned himself in, so the boy's parents won't ever get closure. He also helped a neo-fascist get one step closer to being president for his own selfish needs, despite the fact that his daughter will be targeted due to her race. He also never calls or sees his kids. I get that you don't like Shiv (hopefully not just coz she's a woman) but to not also point out how utterly shitty Kendall and Roman are shows you have a lot of bias and cognitive dissonance.
I think she really does care about the country but she's also extremely wealthy out of touch and has no idea what "caring about the country" actually means to the average American.
you know Kendall and Roman are the ones who actually betrayed Shiv first right? And that Kendall basically did the same thing in season 3, pretending to care about the cruise victims bc it fit his agenda to the point where he actually believed his own bs. And actually almost forgot Roman was the first to betray both of his siblings by going back to his father's side If we're being honest none of the siblings have any sort of moral superiority over the other and neither of them really "deserve" a happy ending tbh. This show always felt like more of a tragedy than anything else and i find it hard to believe it will end with a clear winner but we'll see. It certainly won't be decided on the basis of who's a better person anyway coz they all suck and that's part of the charm of this series
I agree. He’s the only one of them who actually has a conscience. He regrets and admits his mistakes. He hasn’t betrayed them as near as bad like they did to him the entire time. For awhile, all he wanted was for them to all get along while still getting the company that was always going to be his but Shiv always hated that fact and does everything she can to make sure that he never gets it.
Objectively speaking, the only thing Shiv did wrong was be sloppy and falter when confronted. Kendall is making plans to cut out Roman and Shiv and Roman is an idiot doing whatever he wants because, "Dad did whatever he wanted". Both are making moves in their own interest not caring about the collateral. Shiv is looking out for herself because her entire life is a family that lives by one rule, "how does this serve my interest". Shiv's actions are a betrayal yes, but that's natural for a Roy. Ken and Rome know this and are just trying to hurt her out of petty anger.
I'd argue that she made another massive mistake which was once again mistreating and alienating potential allies. Shiv betraying Kendall and Roman is fine, but once again she made Tom angry and, when she could have bought Greg's silence, she made a toothless threat against him. Shiv's biggest problem is that she is intelligent but she thinks that she is smarter than everyone else. She also threatens and bullies people who she perceives as beneath her, unlike Logan who kept track of everyone's interests and played them to his advantage. When she was in the room at the end, she found herself with no allies because Kendall did his due diligence, Greg ratted her out, and Tom wouldn't support her. She basically made the same mistakes that she made in the Season 3 finale.
It’s not so much about doing wrong. She’s playing the game and making mistakes. She’s choosing a stranger over her brothers - he’s untrustworthy and now that she’s been caught she’s allied with someone who wants to hide the fraudulent numbers. She could have promised Greg something but didn’t so he told and finally, she trusted Tom again after his betrayal last season!
Their dad taught them to fight with each other but in the end it must serve the whole family. Shiv is being plain selfish. She always has been. That’s why her dad played her in season 2.
@@sarazara159 There dad played all of them at one point or another. As for serving the family, he cut them all out in the end of season 3 by re-opening the divorce agreement and pulling control from the company from them so HE could win and sell the company regardless of what they wanted. The whole, "it's for the family" stuff has been pretty well established as B.S. that they use to justify there self serving moves.
I think Connor's described Shiv best: "remember when you used to play post office and stamped all the mail that came into the house?, this is like that. I have no interest in speaking with you"
This scene shows why Shiv is a bad choice. 1 she can't lie to save her life or at the very least she can't sustain a lie much like we see in season 3 when kendel easily attacks her by just making her uncomfortable during a speech. Another issue is Shiv thinks like a politician, and not a business person which roman and kendel actually had training in working for there father. You can see hoonce roman gets her talking Kendel instantly figures out something is wrong. As a team kendel and roman are amazing. It's kinda sad how Shiv will always be an outsider even in her own family. She really is her mother
