Super Paper Mario - Uncivil Synopsis 

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THAF IS THE JOKE YOU HAVE FOUND THE JOKE

Am guessing you don't feel the same way for Count Bleck's backstory. It's not that I feel disappointed by your opinion, it's just something am assuming.

Also my paper mario rankings go 1:TTYD (obviously) 2: super 3: original paper mario But that's just me.

It would be nice if he wasn't so trashy talking way though hehe, also some of the stories of other characters are at least are as tragic I felt as Admiral Bobbery, but in a different way. Bowser being one in his probably best portrayals in a game close to Inside Story and maybe Odyseey, being beaten up my Mario but doesn't give up.

@@HumdrumSuperior make the Thousand-Year Door easier and I'll play it it's too hard I always get a game over at the start

Mimi scared the fuck out of me as a kid though

I don't agree with the pixls being boring and merlee's mansions suck but I agree that I hated most of chapter five

@Drewskey how did you literally prove the point of the original post so well?

"Game is my childhood, it was great. Ur opinion is bad because I played this game as a kid" - You.

Milka Bogovac he didn’t say his opinion was bad lmao? Not everyone has to have the exact same opinion on a game moron

Milka Bogovac Piss off.

I'm probably not going to do Sticker Star for a long time. I'm so Paper Mario'd out at this point, and pretty much everything worth saying has been said

Aw... I was excited for that XP

Granted, you could probably summarize the entire plot of Sticker Star in a couple of sentences. Regardless, I do really enjoy this videos and I am looking forward to your next one.

plz do sticker star! I would love to see you talk complete shit about that game!

Kenryck Me too! If he can shit on one of my favorite games, he can shit on Sticker Star! :D ...But... Nothing outstanding happens in Sticker Star XD

Yeah, It's clear from the story that the Dark Prognosticus takes control over Blumiere. I wouldn't really say it's Count Bleck who is the angsty teenager, but it's Blumiere. It's pretty clear right before his father explains the implications of opening the book. "I do not care, father! A world without her is empty. a LIFE without her is empty." This is the most angsty bullshit ever. Even if Tippi was able to awaken Blumiere from the power of the Dark Prognosticus, Blumiere is such a whiny little cunt that it's hard for me to take him so seriously. Romeo and Juliet is a tragic love story, but they at least just committed suicide. Blumiere wants to wipe out all dimensions because of one person. It's just so ridiculous, especially when you realize that he only decided to stop because Timpani was still alive. He would have been perfectly content with destroying the world and all dimensions and realities if Tippi was dead.

@@HyperCharge I mean, yeah, Count Bleck is very overdramatic and very much in the wrong... but he’s the villain. Villains tend to overdramatize things and do really evil things. And even though his reason to destroy the world may appear petty, at least it’s a step up from Sir Grodus’ reasons, which is no reason really other than to be super powerful and evil. Personally, I don’t think Tippi and the Dark Prognosticus’ corruption were the ONLY reasons why Count Bleck was seemingly ok with destroying all worlds. I believe it was also because it seemed the Dark Prognosticus foretold that he’d be the one to destroy all worlds and that after he started it, he knew it couldn’t be stopped. It’s not like he could have done anything to prevent it at the time, so he tried to only accept it. There are times where he second guesses himself before meeting Timpani again too. I wouldn’t say there is ever a good reason to start the destruction of all of reality. But from Blumiere’s perspective, he was raised in loveless society against marriage, so basically he was already more corrupt than your average person. That all changed once he met a woman named Timpani, who was the only non-toxic person he’s ever met and introduced him to love and made his life whole. Besides her, Blumiere only knew of his family from The Tribe of Darkness that practically killed Timpani the only good thing that he’s ever known. The only other thing that Blumiere has ever known, his own family, had betrayed him and he didn’t care if they all disappeared. At heart, Blumiere was still somewhat corrupted by the the tribe of darkness’ lack of love and didn’t have any support from Timpani anymore. Blumiere also felt an animosity towards other realities because they were also the part of the reason why he couldn’t see Timpani anymore. Yeah, to some, Blumiere’s motives might seem a bit forced, but I believe that’s all up to personal opinion. I can realistically see Blumiere having enough of a reason to do the horrible things he did. But even it does seem forced and unrealistically awful, keep in mind that he is the villain still and that villains aren’t in the right and that’s ok. But, I digress. Sam, you can have a different opinions. That’s perfectly fine!

Definitely on par, but also entertaining in its own way. To be honest, I'd like to see a mix of the positive and negative videos. They both have a different feel to them, but are equally entertaining. Really, just do what you want to do. I really enjoyed this, and sticker star is farrrrr worse, so I'm very curious to see how that would turn out. :p

This was a really fun video. Frankly, regardless of whether you're being positive or negative about a game, I'd say that your primary mood is more "enthusiastic" than anything else. Your channel's character doesn't feel like it's restricted to either positivity or negativity, so long as your excitement for the video shines through.

It's about to be a long time before I do sticker star, that game is so bad that I never even beat it. I literally bought it at launch and dropped it 2 hours later.

I personally enjoy all types of videos you make. Whether it's bashing games that deserve it and explaining why they are bad in detail, or loving the shit out of a game and telling us why it's *hype as shit*.

Much appreciated, I'll keep that in mind for future videos.

You can steal it all from a vault. The problem is that in order to get the code to the vault, you have to grind out 10,000 rubees to get it from a prisoner. Getting 10,000 on the hamster wheel is what takes about 10 minutes. There is no other way to get the code, other then maybe looking it up online and cheating your way through the chapter. It's probably more around 8, but you have to get on and off a couple of times to see how much money you made.

Ah. Never mind then, it's clearly been too long since I played this game to remember how it went.

It takes about 9 hours on the wheel if you want to get the rubees without breaking the vault. :P

@@Nuuk_Nuke_Nook how? it really wasn't

I talked about a lot of the apple hunting stuff, but I decided to cut it. I was just repeating myself too much, mostly about the bland platforming and boring back tracking, which I already talked about. TTYD is clearly much better than PM64, but I personally feel that it's unfair to judge a game based off later games in the series. PM64 partners were a bit more bland then the partners in TTYD, but that's because TTYD was able to raise the bar and build off of the success of PM64. With the creation of the entire combat system, TTYD was able to spend more time creating more unique characters and establishing the standard we now have today. I think what makes PM64 special was that it was never a game that was suppose to make you laugh. It was a cute little turn based RPG, with some clever and gimmicky combat. The story wasn't nearly as important because it just wasn't suppose to be. The story acts as an excuse for Mario and his partners to explore the world in search for the Star Spirits and it was never anything more special then that. TTYD was able to make a better story and turned it into something much greater, but it was only able to do that because PM64 existed in the first place. All the building blocks were in place for TTYD to make a great game. SPM isn't nearly in the same position. It's the third game in the series that is also able to build off of PM64 and TTYD. It sadly didn't and went into a completely different direction. It had the chance to build off of the first two games, but decided to enter uncharted territory instead. You could argue that since it's not similar to PM64 or TTYD that I shouldn't judge it this way, but ignoring the first two games means that it might as well not even be in the Paper Mario series to begin with. My personal problem with switching between Mario/Peach is just how pointless it really is. Since the entire game requires you to switch between 2D and 3D, you need to be playing as Mario for the majority of the game. The only thing that Peach adds to the game is the ability to go over large gaps and shes basically a glorified Pixl character. You could replace Peach with an umbrella Pixl and nothing would change. You could replace Luigi with a spring Pixl and nothing would change. Bowser is a little bit different by being much slower, doing more damage, and being able to spit out fire. Playing as the four characters really just seems like an after thought and they could have done much more to make the character swapping more interesting.

I can agree completely, really. I like SPM more than PM64 personally head to head as games but it's undeniable that 64 was a much more important game in the series. Good video still, was well thought out.

Brandon Johnson It really wasn’t

The game has difficulty balancing issues.

SmilingIpad It honestly isn’t

I think there's a big difference between relating to someone and sympathizing with them. Count Bleck's actions throughout the entire game are basically on par with a school shooter. You can relate to his struggles, but you can't argue that his actions are justified at all, so I can't ultimately sympathize with him as a character. At the end of the story, you should feel like everything Count Bleck did was completely understandable from his point of view, but it just isn't. You can relate to the loss of his lover, but you can't sympathize with him as a character, because the ends don't justify the means. The only reason I criticized the story so much was because it's one of the most highly praised things about this game. When I initially talked about the game in some of my older videos, people seemed to praise it as some kind of masterpiece. I initially decided to revisit the game because of this response, but I was just even more disappointed. I don't play video games for the story. I play video games to play a fun game. If I wanted to hear a story, I would maybe watch a movie, or read a book. The strength of the earlier Paper Mario games was that they were simply great video games. If PM64, TTYD, and SPM were stripped of their stories entirely, TTYD would still be the best game in the series. It has the improved combat system from PM64, with enough depth to keep you entertained the entire way through. If you remove the story from SPM, you have a bland platforming game where you switch to 3D every now and then. Even if you strip the story of some of the other Mario RPG's, they are still competent games that are still fun to play. The disagreement between people who like Super Paper Mario has made me question what people liked about the first two Paper Mario games in the first place. It seems that most people who enjoyed Super Paper Mario only liked the first two games for their colorful visuals and quirky story, where as people who don't like Super Paper Mario liked the first two games because it was a good video game first, with a quirky story on the side.

My main issue with the game is the fanbase overrates it to obnoxious degrees treating it as if it's a Masterpiece. There' no denying that the story is the best of the entire series, but is the story really the reason to dethrone the other's simply because it tells a story? It seems people only cared about the story , than caring why the first two games are great in the first place. When we first played the Original did anybody really care about the story? Not really we liked it because IT WAS AN RPG! Super only gets a free middle ground simply because the story people envisioned carries it for them based on the "masterpiece" they built up. Even stripping 64 of the simplistic story it had the game is still fun to play. And honestly I hate when people use this game to solely bash 64's simplicity and rate it lower just because of the story. Honestly taking the story out of the equation entirely amounts to a mediocre game. In the fans who like this game admit the gameplay is the worst/weakest part, yet still define this game as 2nd best or best because of the story, yet admit the other two have better gameplay that makes no sense? I feel bad you have to deal with backlash simply because people overrate this game. I can see where the love comes from, but to base a game entirely on story why even call it a game in that case? They might as well just be watching the cutscenes on RU-vid. People are acting like you can't criticize the game's story simply because of their envisioned minds it's a masterpiece. It's basically stating nobody is allowed to have any disagreements against the story and I noticed how defensive people get over the game. Yet I've seen people criticize certain things in TTYD's story. People also forget 64 did have some degree of lore in it's areas (minus a couple) and the part of the story with the Star spirits. And to be quiet honest, taking the lead characters out of the equation: Those being= Bleck, Tippi, Mimi, O'Chunks, Dimentio (admittedly the best part of the game), Merlon, Nolrem, Queen Jaydes, Luvbi, Merlee and Nastasia every character is either completely uninteresting or bland. I mean Flipside and Flopside's residents have 0 personality and even have less of a purpose than the Toads of Toad Town. I mean sure the partners in 64 didn't have too much personality and only bits and pieces came up every now and then, but they were at least characters. They had lives, families, friends etc. The Pixels are literally 1 step behind in that they're complete blank slates! I've even seen people defend the Pixels in that "just because they're partners it's enough of a reason to make them good, who cares if they have no personality?" Yet these same people with bash 64's partners for not having enough characterization despite them being more of people than the actual Pixels themselves who get less lines and serve less of a purpose and have no reason to join Mario other than the story requires them. That logic is so biased and contradicting. I don't hate the game (well aside from the horrible gameplay, platforming, level design and poor design elements) I hate people's overreactions to the game if anything else.

It seems like maybe this is a differing opinion in what someone wants in a game. A great example is the Persona series. Some people play it for it's unique Persona fusing mechanics which produce some surprisingly deep combat. While other's may enjoy the world and Social Link(P3-P4/Cooperation(P5) process. Which is 1 half of the game. Believe it or not people enjoy games as a mean of storytelling that isn't just books or movies, because just having even the SMALLEST amount of involvement, like again the social, world, and dating aspects of Persona, makes them all that much better to certain players. And that's why they exist. Also I hate the combat in Paper Mario N64 due to the nature of ONLY having Mario as the main, and the partners not having any HP, which was an amazing improvement in TTYD which made the combat so much more engaging. This however, isn't a big draw back for most people, and that's fine. But as I understand that, stating as fact that something just "isn't justifiable" is wrong. People WILL see things differently, so it's not a fact. People connect, see things, and want different things, and besides some exceptions, "poor" aspects in games to you are amazing aspects to others. There's nothing wrong with hating SPM, but it's also easy to see others DO connect and DO justify the romantic subplot and main predominant characters, which there is also nothing wrong with.

@RebirthRex I agree with you. Everything I've said up to this point has been my opinion. I know it's an opinion, because I wrote it. Even saying that TTYD accomplishes more in 5 minutes than SPM can accomplish throughout the entire game is an opinion. It's a very unpopular opinion that's hard to argue, but I'm willing to argue it.

I play games for story and good gameplay...but for PM story is #1 and it's not like a game just having a good story means your sitting there and doing nothing...SPM had fun and fast gameplay and cool puzzles and lots to do...lots of games with no story wouldn't be fun to me....that's like saying TTYD with no story for example...you just non stop fight generic enemies and that's...can't have dialogue or cool new bosses since there's no story so it would just be you walking around an area with no unique people and fighting enemies...idk but to me games need stories and for games like PM I especially play them for the story...

Exactly

You have to realize that a lot of the negativity in this video comes from a previous video I made about the Paper Mario series not returning to what it once was. In that previous video, I talked about my dislike of Super Paper Mario, but a ton of people jumped me for claiming that it was just as good as the previous games, if not better. So, when I finally came back to play this game, It felt even more frustrating as a result. At the end of the day, I don't really care that much. It's just video games after all. I do defend everything I've said in this video, because I genuinely hate this game, but I don't understand the praise it gets.

HyperCharge Yeah, I didn't watch the video in order, but I really wanted a constructif comment on this video alone that, probably wouldn't change your opinion due to how you cleary say you hate it. But atleast show that a fan of this game could agree and disagree with some of your point, but in at the end of the day, could understand why you hate it but love, or just like the point the game did right. I mean, in this age of people getting triggered for everything. I felt like that, I would have just proved your point if I had wrotted a comment without thinking 3 times in my head and that you would have not taken seriously at all. Brief, in short, thank you for answering this comment, let's agree to disagree on this game and I look forward to see more of your video in the futur. ^^ (Btw, your video on the Zelda Timeline was really funny and made a good point about the Zelda fanbase taking the timeline too much seriously)

That only happens when emulating.

Ja' Crispy I see. That's humorous.

I definitely didn't emulate this footage. That little grass hat is an equipable item you use during the level that you use to get past doors.

HyperCharge He's talking about when Flint Cragley walked right through Bowser and you were still able to see him.

Oh that's fucking weird, never noticed that. Was playing the game on the Wii U by using Wii mode, which I guess is an emulation now that I think about it.

It's like Zelda II you

Paper Mario was never good. The series is bad as a whole.

@@isthisaname6331 My dude,have you pla....oh wait you just said that on another comment.

It's not a crossover

If it removed the stupid parts like Chapters 2 and 5, and had a upgraded battle system where you could not only switch the partners, but also the leader (Mario) for Peach, Bowser and eventually Luigi, it would have been the best Paper Mario game hands down.

@Pen Bashiro, MD bruh

Litteraly any RPG is better than Sticker star and Color Splash.

The Qwertynator All Mario games are a cakewalk.

Slenderfoxx37 It’s just his opinion

XD XD XD SO RANDOM XD XD XD

TTYD isn't perfectly connected like the first game, but I feel like it it at least gave a better illusion of it. Some of the levels connecting by a different means of transportation (boat,train,blimp), while the other levels were just connected via pipes. The pipes work in roughly the same way, but at least each entrance was spread out throughout the underground. These pipe locations work in the same way, but I'd argue that's it's way better than literally placing the entrances right next to each other. There was something a little exciting about finding the location of the next area in PM and TTYD, where SPM kind of takes the fun out of it. I do think that Super Paper Mario does have that "charm" in terms of writing and personality, but I always felt that part of the charm was the turn based combat. They could have done something slightly different, but I think the outright removal of it was a bad idea. It's still a fine video game, but I feel like SPM doesn't stand out amongst other video games as a result, where PM and TTYD have the complete package. To be fair, a lot of my frustrating in this video comes from a HUGE backlash I got when I talked about SPM before. I decided to play through this game again to see if I was wrong, but I came away disliking the game even more.

@@HyperCharge I mean, I don't think it's necessarily lazy, just a different setup, utilizing the platform linear style of levels to it. It also makes sense why they're a bit disjointed, because the worlds you are going in SPM are from parallel worlds rather than the same world like TTYD and 64 did. Kind of want to catchup with the artwork -- frankly I don't mind, seeing it's based in a separate world from Mario, with their own art style. Simplicity works for this game, at least to me.

The difference is that with Boo's Mansion, the game gave you really fun and unique Puzzles that didn't drag on. Merlee's Mansions is just a dumb waiting game where you do the same thing for 20 minutes.

"Polarizing"? That would mean that there are people out there who honestly love hitting the block or running in the hamster wheel for rupees. I think at best, some people tolerate it, but most would probably agree that it's garbage.

@@Christopher-md7tf I admittedly "liked" the slavery because it's so surreal and funny and I assume some find it that way too.

MightDuy124 Have you played it? Probably not. I love colour splash. So stop making your statement a fact

TheMarioManiac I've played it. It is indeed awful.

TheMarioManiac It's ironic how you say he's making his statement a fact while you just did the same with him. Fucking hypocrite.

It would be better if they were people. Objects would be worse.

Though, Sticker Star can go die in a fire for all I care.

TIX1 Gamer Nobody cares

@@Dragular yeah I didn't know what I was talking about then. No disrespect meant. I understand now that people have different tastes and value different things when it comes to what they want from a game. I guess back then I just meant to say that I didn't agree with them on how they ranked the games, not that they're wrong, and I worded it very poorly.

@@mattbrabham6351 Ah okay. I respect your opinion too.

Most of the stuff you said about Super is now happening with Color Splash.

It pretty much is. Though my opinions with Super Paper Mario have changed, I love the game as much as the first to. But the fanbase of the game are just terrible. They are so defensive and feel the need to force others to think exactly like their point of view. If it doesn't hold up to how they think the game should be criticism free they constantly rant about how "the story is great, the story is the best of the series" while it is true that's not excuse to force your opinions just because someone else thinks differently. I think Super Paper Mario and Color Splash have the worst fanbases in regards to Paper Mario, TTYD isn't completely innocent either, as some do hold it in higher regards than normal, but most flak against it are already stated qualms people have to begin with. You can even ask challenge runners or people who have viewed the game in its entire complexity and they'll even give an unbiased opinion. Color Splash fans inflate this and go on a ridged point of view that fans see the game beyond criticism simply because they've built that mentality, while they do have some weight and some fans actually do that, CS fans simultaneously do the same thing when defending CS against the criticism by looking past all its issues and disclaiming the game even has issues while inflating TTYD's. Which makes them hypocrites because they do the exact same thing they preach against. So its okay for TTYD to have flaws but not Color Splash? It also doesn't help that they barely even point out flaws with CS and the actual flaws with the game the see as an oversight because the enjoy the game on a fundamental level, yet TTYD can't be enjoyed or liked past its flaws? I also hate how the try and use Color Splash's humor to validate against any form of criticism, despite the fact humor is in the same league as music in which its ENTIRELY subjective and totally based on fan perspective, you can't use self preference to validate something as a truth against criticism. Yes Color Splash does have some entertaining and fun moments I give it credit in that regard, but the humor isn't for everyone and is entirely subjective. Super Paper Mario fans are overly defense and use the game's story (which is the of the series standards) as nothing more than a crutch to place the game on a high point of view, rather than view the story as a legitimate positive. As anytime someone has any problems with the game on a level design or gameplay level (which is does and are the game's single greatest flaws) they instantly turn defense and use out of character claims that the game is underrated (even though its more praised than hated by a general POV) and you are not allowed to hate the game because of the story's quality, this basically means you aren't allowed to criticize a game for its level design or gameplay (two important aspects of a game's structure) simply because the story is good. By this logic you might as well not play the game at all and just watch LPs of it. Way to indirectly state playing the game isn't a strongsuit. Its perfectly fine to look past a game's faults because you admire the aspects it does right, but with all I've stated neither one does that, and only uses what they do right to avoid any backlash they get because it doesn't align their POV. I enjoy Super Paper Mario's story, characters and gameplay, even though the gameplay is terribly simplified and unbalanced. The level design is easily the worst part of the game, as well as taking damage from the flip mechanic, which is a pointless addition that makes no sense. Honestly Paper Mario 64 seems to be the only one with fans who don't really place on either side, its either used as a shield to defense against other games or bashed for its story and characters entirely to defend against having originality because (which seems very obtuse for people who bash other Mario games from suffering unoriginality, yet those same people defend CS's lack their of originality simply because of a few positives, even though it matches directly with Nintendo's modern view of simplifying Mario's creativity.. But this logic they are encouraging them to make games stagnate as long as it has something good even though they bashed other game's of the same light for not focusing on being original), it never seems to be on any side unless used as a crutch.

no if you play this game as a 7 year old in 2010 you think differently . The game was challenging. But you were a 20 by that time so you hate it .

But they're good guys, so they should have gone to heaven like Peach

@@OmegaChase1002 It makes sense when you think about it. Luigi wasp Mr.L before he died, Bowser has done some really terrible things and Mario is well... Mario.

Dimentio just transported them randomly. They didn't die. Dimentio just decide to put the Mario Bros and Bowser in Underwhere, while he put Peach in Overthere.

@@retrofan4963 oh ok that makes sense. ... except didnt he like blow them up?

@@OmegaChase1002 He just left them unconcious of getting hurt while transporting them :) If Mario actually died, he would look like the rest of the dead characters in the Underwhere. The first NPC in the Underwhere hinted that, with saying how come Mario looks different from them. Mario explain to him his Game is not actually Over.

To be fair, it's not perfect, but for anyone who's familiar with 2D platformers in general, it's pretty refreshing at first, and by the time it gets stale, you'll be at Chapter 2, where the creative worldbuilding and character development REALLY starts. The game may PLAY like a 2D platformer with RPG elements, but its world is a fully fledged and memorable RPG world with many different originally themed areas, MUCH more interesting than Paper Mario 64 and Sticker Star's mostly generic "grass then desert then haunted forest, etc etc etc" (which to be fair, that's what Chapter 1 of SPM is, but again that's only one chapter. Sticker Star it's the whole game and PM64 it's half the game). From a world and character building perspective, Super Paper Mario has definitely got 64 and especially Sticker Star beat

+b mbox that about sums up my outlook...... pretty much overused 3D gimick and the jumping feels way to damn floaty for my likeing.

You do realize TTYD had a Grassland for it's Chapter 1 too? All Mario games have these levels in some shape or form. What 64 uses is familiarity, not just watered down “Peach gets captured, Generic locations beat Bowser the end” the familiar elements are presented, however it’s their to add the identity to the series. With 64 it has the excuse to start off basic because you can’t go into something drastic as SPM’s story for an established series, than the transitions would be poor. There’s more at stake than just stopping Bowser. The game actually gives the player more of a reason to stop Bowser beyond saving Peach and does introduce the unique dynamic between him and Kammy Koopa. Bowser steals the wishes of the world and a magical artifact created by ancient beings, plus he captures the guardians of set mystical items. In fact Peach getting kidnapped is more of a side prize like, he’s manage to claim victory in his hands, and Peach is the extra slice. Peach at least does something but serve as a blank reward and Bowser talks. Is Dry Dry Desert a Desert area? Yes, however unlike Sticker Star the dialogue gives justification for it’s existence. It actually was home to a race of Nomadic Mousers who even built the mysterious Ruins. All of the NPCs who live there are decedents of the Nomadics who once lived in the Desert. It’s not just there to solely be a desert there’s a story behind it. There's actually a bit more than people think if you don't look at it by just aesthetics alone. Also the "Haunted Forest" portion of Chapter 3 only makes up basically the HUB setting for the Chapter it's not the main area or even dungeon of the Game, it's a Gusty Terrain inhabited by Boos and a castle that sits on top of the Gusty Terrain, that's the actual main area, not the "Haunted Ghost House" There's even some story behind Chapter 7's dungeon (small, but there) Also what other characters in Super Paper Mario are memorable besides Tippi, Bleck, Dimentio (best villain) , Nastasia, Merlon, Nolrem, Merlee, Mimi, Queen Jades, Luvbi and O Chuck's? The rest of the characters are boring or in the Pixel's case complete blanks slates with no personality at all. Even less than characters in 64. Who at least had a bit more things to say than irrelevant Gibberish.

CodeBox42 After skimming this, you look like you have good grammar......... but no one on youtube wants to read an essay.

Kleizar Sorry. Force of habit. Trying to work on that.

Um yeah that's what you have to do to pass that part.

I 100% agree with everything you just typed. Literally it's all so TRUE! My main issue with the game is the fanbase overrates it to obnoxious degrees treating it as if it's a Masterpiece. There' no denying that the story is the best of the entire series, but is the story really the reason to dethrone the other's simply because it tells a story? It seems people only cared about the story , than caring why the first two games are great in the first place. Even stripping 64 of the simplistic story it had the game is still fun to play. And honestly I hate when people use this game to solely bash 64's simplicity and rate it lower just because of the story. Honestly taking the story out of the equation entirely amounts to a mediocre game. In the fans who like this game admit the gameplay is the worst/weakest part, yet still define this game as 2nd best or best because of the story, yet admit the other two have better gameplay that makes no sense? I feel bad you have to deal with backlash simply because people overrate this game. I can see where the love comes from, but to base a game entirely on story why even call it a game in that case? They might as well just be watching the cutscenes on RU-vid. People are acting like you can't criticize the game's story simply because of their envisioned minds it's a masterpiece. It's basically stating nobody is allowed to have any disagreements against the story and I noticed how defensive people get over the game. Yet I've seen people criticize certain things in TTYD's story. People also forget 64 did have some degree of lore in it's areas (minus a couple) and the part of the story with the Star spirits. And to be quiet honest, taking the lead characters out of the equation: Those being= Bleck, Tippi, Mimi, O'Chunks, Dimentio (admittedly the best part of the game), Merlon, Nolrem, Queen Jaydes, Luvbi, Merlee and Nastasia every character is either completely uninteresting or bland. I mean Flipside and Flopside's residents have 0 personality and even have less of a purpose than the Toads of Toad Town. I mean sure the partners in 64 didn't have too much personality and only bits and pieces came up every now and then, but they were at least characters. They had lives, families, friends etc. The Pixels are literally 1 step behind in that they're complete blank slates! I don't hate the game (well aside from the horrible gameplay, platforming, level design and poor design elements) I hate people's overreactions to the game if anything else.

I'll admit that the fans really does overrate SPM, especially it's story. It's an okay game with a nice story, but it's definitely NOT a masterpiece as they made it out to be. Good story or not, it's not going to save the game from mediocrity . It's almost like Sonic and the Black Knight, neat story-line, but mediocre gameplay. While I thought the story, the characters, settings, and concepts were cool, PM64 and TTYD are way better, along with having some replability. Edit: Looking back, the game really isn't all that great, but I still kind of like it. It's fine to like SPM more than TTYD or PM64, but those two games are more well-liked than SPM.

Now everything you all said about Super Paper Mario is happening to Color Splash.

Dude its all of this video's comment section, there are even comments on other Paper Mario videos or forums of people who treat SPM as untouchable simply because of the game's story and nothing else. Though my opinions with Super Paper Mario have changed, I love the game as much as the first two. But the fanbase of the game are just terrible. They are so defensive and feel the need to force others to think exactly like their point of view. If it doesn't hold up to how they think the game should be criticism free they constantly rant about how "the story is great, the story is the best of the series" while it is true in some regards that's not excuse to force your opinions just because someone else thinks differently. I think Super Paper Mario and Color Splash have the worst fanbases in regards to Paper Mario, TTYD isn't completely innocent either, as some do hold it in higher regards than normal, which I do agree with and don't think the game is above major issues (I even think 64 does things better than it such as the level design, which is TTYD's biggest drawback), but most flak against it are already stated qualms people have to begin with. (the backtracking is something that's been stated for years) You can even ask challenge runners or people who have viewed the game in its entire complexity and they'll even give an unbiased opinion. I've seen both sides of the spectrum enough to say some have it in higher regards than normal, while other's see it has flaws, but feel its positive elements outweigh the bad ones enough to get a complete enjoyment factor. Color Splash defenders inflate this and go on a ridged point of view that fans see the game beyond criticism simply because they've built that mentality or have only seen that side of it, rather than seeing the whole experience, while they do have some weight and some TTYD fans actually do that as I've stated, CS fans simultaneously do the same thing when defending CS against the criticism by looking past all its issues and disclaiming the game even has issues while inflating TTYD's. Which makes them hypocrites because they do the exact same thing they preach against. So its okay for TTYD to have flaws but not Color Splash? It also doesn't help that they barely even point out flaws with CS so that them saying "Liking a game past its flaws is still good" and the actual flaws with the game the see as an oversight because the enjoy the game on a fundamental level, yet TTYD can't be enjoyed or liked past its flaws? "I've seen many comments go "Oh Color Splash is a good game, you can't say its not" every time someone states anything negative, which tells me because they find it a good game detractors aren't allowed to think otherwise. I also hate how the try and use Color Splash's humor to validate against any form of criticism, despite the fact humor is in the same league as music in which its ENTIRELY subjective and totally based on fan perspective, you can't use self preference to validate something as a truth against criticism. Yes Color Splash does have some entertaining and fun moments that are even laugh out loud worthy. I give it credit in that regard, but the humor isn't for everyone and is entirely subjective. Super Paper Mario fans are overly defensive and use the game's story (which is the of the series standards) as nothing more than a crutch to place the game on a high point of view, rather than view the story as a legitimate positive outcome from the other games. As anytime someone has any problems with the game on a level design or gameplay level (which is does and are the game's single greatest flaws and don't relate to the story at all) they instantly turn defense and use out of character claims that the game is underrated (even though its more praised than hated by a general POV) and you are not allowed to hate the game because of the story's quality, this basically means you aren't allowed to criticize a game for its level design or gameplay (two important aspects of a game's structure along with story) simply because the story is good. By this logic you might as well not play the game at all and just watch LPs of it. Way to indirectly state playing the game isn't a strongsuit. Its perfectly fine to look past a game's faults because you admire the aspects it does right, but with all I've stated neither one does that, and only uses what they do right to avoid any backlash they get because it doesn't align their POV. I enjoy Super Paper Mario's story, characters and gameplay, even though the gameplay is terribly simplified and unbalanced. The level design is easily the worst part of the game, as well as taking damage from the flip mechanic, which is a pointless addition that makes no sense. Honestly Paper Mario 64 seems to be the only one with fans who don't really place on either side, its either used as a shield to defense against other games or bashed for its story and characters entirely to defend against having originality because (which seems very obtuse for people who bash other Mario games from suffering unoriginality, yet those same people defend CS's lack their of originality simply because of a few positives, even though it matches directly with Nintendo's modern view of simplifying Mario's creativity.. By this logic they are encouraging them to make games stagnate as long as it has something good even though they bashed other game's of the same light for not focusing on being original), it never seems to be on any side unless used as a crutch. I don't like Sticker Star or Color Splash, but I hold not personal vendetta against anyone who chooses to like them for what they consider each one does right, because everyone has their own style and preference, I just don't like the fanbase of each game who go around with a ridged mindset. Not every fan is entirely as I've stated, but there seems to be an increase of more who do it, than those who don't.

Pretty much all Paper Mario games are terrible.

I love the character design and gameplay lol

Preferences and opinions, man. Ain't gotta explain shit

Slowpoke85 I grew up with this game and it's what made me get interested in video games as a whole... I also enjoy the gameplay a lot... but that's just my opinion, idc if ur a TTYD fanboy or not

+Slowpoke85 art is in the eyes of the beholder my friend.

I try to make my videos as timeless as possible. In 10 years or so, a lot of social media sites might not even be around anymore, let alone RU-vid itself.

Hear, hear!

It's a lead in to telling you that it's nothing spectacular in his opinion. It's not to be taken literally.

I understand, but it's just that, in my opinion, simply saying "Super Paper Mario is a video game" is completely unnecessary because I know it's made for gamers, and I don't want to be reminded about something I'm already aware of.

Shade Shaadent It’s just his opinion

Hey lad, uhh. Can you take off your Nostalgia Goggles for a second? Will ya?

No they don't

Yoshter Then don’t watch it