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Teabag your Sennheiser HD 58X (to IMPROVE the sound) 

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Answering the eternal question -- "Sennheiser HD 6XX or 58X?" -- in way you didn't expect: with a teabag. Here's a 5-minute mod to make your 58X sound better.
00:00 Introduction
03:15 Removing the grills
03:50 Tape application
04:30 How the mod works
05:45 Modding materials
08:50 Mod application
09:10 Sound differences
10:20 Frequency response disclaimers
11:15 Frequency response: Before and after
14:55 Audience Q&A
21:20 A dare
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@fracseun
@fracseun 2 года назад
This is the most legendary video I’ve ever seen, I didn’t even realise how bassy the 58X’s were until you pointed them out, and this mod works so well that it honestly dumbfounds me. I also removed the outer foam covers and it seemed to widen the soundstage, they really sound beautiful now. Incredible video!
@shape5dokkan
@shape5dokkan 3 года назад
I actually thought you were going to physically teabag the headphones to make them sound better.
@Jeffdachefz
@Jeffdachefz 3 года назад
thought my mans was gonna get a youtube flagged for adults today lmfao.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
This is a family show.
@reedfelix9254
@reedfelix9254 3 года назад
a trick : watch movies on kaldrostream. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies lately.
@clarkimmanuel2626
@clarkimmanuel2626 3 года назад
@Reed Felix definitely, I have been using kaldrostream for years myself =)
@thatcherwalker3781
@thatcherwalker3781 3 года назад
@Reed Felix Yea, have been using Kaldrostream for since december myself =)
@johnsontan345
@johnsontan345 2 года назад
Amazing, I did this and they sound perfect now. The bass really was the problem. I can finally hear the gorgeous upper mids and treble without the muddiness. You've earned my sub man.
@Ph3nomen0N
@Ph3nomen0N 10 месяцев назад
100% agree. This just transformed the headphones into a superbly balanced and enjoyable experience.
@intoitreviews
@intoitreviews 3 года назад
I'm so glad I could put you down this path, and share this information with you! I've been saying this for a long time, glad you could get on board. Teabags are an interesting idea.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
That's what he said.
@michaeljia9005
@michaeljia9005 3 года назад
Applied the teabag to my 58x. Can confirm that the midrange cleared up a bit :-). Thanks for the guide!
@MP_pov
@MP_pov Год назад
I did this and it does exactly what you describe - thank you! Previously I had to EQ to remove some of the veil and retrieve detail I thought was there but muffled, now I am happy and don't feel I need to continue buying headphones to get the right sound. And this mod is completely reversible.
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
Just did your mod with matcha teabag and the result is incredible, the darkness of the 58X is gone! Thank you for the vid. Another further decrease you can achieve on this note is to remove the front foam and use some kind of veil fabric to still protect the driver. I'm still unsure about it being better than stock with your mod applied though, might be too much subtraction. Edit: just tried your mod with the stock inner foam back on and no, the combined mods are superb, better than stock. I'd say this brings the 58x even closer to the HD 600!
@ilmatic15
@ilmatic15 3 года назад
How did you apply the tape
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
@@ilmatic15 I cut four small squares of doubled side PAPER tape (for the love of god don't use 3m) and put them around the magnet
@user-ze6ky4fc1t
@user-ze6ky4fc1t 2 года назад
fascinating results!
@UwUmeister
@UwUmeister 2 года назад
Dongseo teabag!! Pretty much impressed with your mod. Love from korea
@DavidAnders-ev7tc
@DavidAnders-ev7tc 11 месяцев назад
Great improvement, thanks. I have a late HD 580 (essentially the same as the h d600), which I love, but it needs the rather bulky ifi hip dac to get the right volume with my mobile. I've been using the HD58x with a simple usb-c dac but I could not live with the veiled sound. This has solved the problem. I used the thinnest teabag I could find so I'm left with a touch more bass than optimum but the veil is lifted.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 11 месяцев назад
Awesome 🤙
@flyingwondercat739
@flyingwondercat739 2 года назад
So I remember reading that the pre-production samples of the HD58x had a similar dampening filter as the HD600, but the bass to low mids were really weak. Removing it helped fix the shrill issue with that particular pre-prod driver setup. I would describe my stock HD58x as having full bass extension, muddy low mids, sufficient upper mids/presence. I've been using HeSuVi with the balanced EQ curve for these headphones and although it's not perfect, it flattens things out enough for my tastes. I'll definitely be trying the tea bag mod! Would help when I listen to music from my phone. Speaking of that, imo the sensitivity of the HD58x works really well for mobile devices! I think the marketing for them is spot-on for ideal use cases. Sturdy build quality and affordable price for pretty good sound quality with the 58x.
@JMAudioEditions
@JMAudioEditions 3 года назад
nice video man as always cheers!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
✌️
@luispadilla2842
@luispadilla2842 2 года назад
Wasn't sure if the change in the sound signature would be significant enough to keep the mod, so I tried one side at a time and I've found the change worked and with the bass reduced the highs and mids were more in balance with the bass, so I can enjoy every part of a song more.
@deadline7610
@deadline7610 3 года назад
Nicely done, something a little different :) Easy enough mod after watching your vid. Can't A/B the results but will give it a week. Thanks 👍👍🔊
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Very interested to hear more opinions 👍
@PioloAskal2009
@PioloAskal2009 3 года назад
Hey, did you keep your mod applied? I'm thinking of doing it but hesitant since it would mean there would always be tape on the drivers from now on.
@deadline7610
@deadline7610 3 года назад
@@PioloAskal2009 Yes. If you are a little handy the DIY mode is not hard. Opening up the grill to take off the tape if you didn't prefer to mode wouldn't be difficult. If you are not handy I would pass on this mode. Hope this helps.
@pliedtka
@pliedtka Год назад
Really cool review. I got the current post 2021 OEM 600 series earpads, which have 1dB less output in low frequencies and the Solderdude mode might make 58X slightly lean. Also I replaced the front driver foam with ladies stockings, but the new pads make them brighter than I like. With current earpads the 6XX is slightly more neutral in the mids.
@motorradmike
@motorradmike 2 года назад
My solution for relief of the muddiness of the upper bass / lower midrange, I removed the foam from behind the outer grills. I then cut nickel sized circles out of the foam and secured one to each magnet with double sided tape. For me the result was perfect.
@eddieyakin5528
@eddieyakin5528 2 года назад
Just did this too. Works great.
@TechSaintHD
@TechSaintHD Год назад
Dude thank you so much for this video! I didn't even realize you could remove the ear vents that easily LOL
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
🤙
@thosko98
@thosko98 Год назад
This mod fixed a problem I didn't even know my headphones had lol I enjoy them even more now, the mid bass used to be a bit fatiguing over long periods at higher volumes, but not anymore.
@opiekrumpus4182
@opiekrumpus4182 2 года назад
I removed the inner foam, removed the spider cage and the foam covering the magnet from ny hd600. I then placed a pice of nylon to cover the inside of the ear pad. And cut a circle piece from a Red Rose tea bag ro cover magnet hole. Was amazed how much better soubd and overall bass improved. Sound is wide, full. But the bass has taken on a added depth of presence that i find very pleasing. For my ears i preffer this sound over tbe original sound of the hd 600.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Sounds like the reverse of what I did >_
@VicharB
@VicharB 2 года назад
HD58x is one of my main headphones, along with HD600, but the X has little more base. As closed backs and wireless/wired I got Sennheiser PXC 550-II. I didn't do any mods and love the way they sound. For the price these are awesome.
@Cobalt985
@Cobalt985 2 года назад
Meh, disagree on the (unmodded) 58X... it's so veiled, I prefer my much cheaper Moondrop Arias... I am honestly a little confused as to why these are so recommended, maybe everyone is modding theirs but they just really don't sound that good to me. We'll see after I do the mod though!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
If you mod, I want to know what you think afterward 👍
@VicharB
@VicharB 2 года назад
@@SuperReview Ok, if I'll decide will let you know here.
@carlosaloysiusaquino1482
@carlosaloysiusaquino1482 3 года назад
Interesting video. Thanks man! Can't wait to try it out once my order arrives. Can you also do a video on the effects of removing the foam between the driver and the grills? I saw on Z's channel that this also has an effect on not just the bass, but also the treble.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
There are two bits of foam that people often remove on this. (1) There's a foam panel behind the outer grill that's used as a dust cover. I did have it out at one point, but more for aesthetics than sound. solderdude, the guy that originally identified the magnet modification, measured the headphone with and without this foam and measured no difference, so I haven't really thought of it as a sound mod. (2) There's also some foam between the driver and the wearer's ear -- I think you get at it by removing the pads. Supposedly this raises the lower treble. I've seen this called "the curtain mod," and there are videos on RU-vid. It didn't sound like it'd help with exposing the midrange, which is what I'm after, so I haven't tried this.
@carlosaloysiusaquino1482
@carlosaloysiusaquino1482 3 года назад
@@SuperReview thanks for the reply. The findings in (1) is interesting
@thosko98
@thosko98 Год назад
A good complement to doing this mod is to EQ in some sub bass. The 58x has the best bass extension out of all the 600 series, but it rolls off way too much. Fortunately it responds well to EQ, so if you do this mod + add in sub bass via EQ, you get more slam in the bass while gaining clarity in the mids.
@chefsteve8381
@chefsteve8381 3 года назад
Do different types of teabags add different musical flavour's ? if so i need one from Jamaica mon i love me reggae music !!!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Yes. A jasmine tea will bring out a bit of brightness in the midrange, while an assam will add some meat to the low end.
@mana_beast_beats1114
@mana_beast_beats1114 3 года назад
I prefer Mint Tea, it makes the sound nice and minty.
@PetraOlah
@PetraOlah 2 года назад
Finally got around to trying this and I can attest a marked improvement in SQ and FR to my ears. Less veil, exchanging bass for detail. Great!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
What flavor tea?
@PetraOlah
@PetraOlah 2 года назад
@@SuperReview earl grey of course 😂
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Classy.
@reflection1119
@reflection1119 3 года назад
I did my own version of this mod with a few extra steps... maybe overkill... but here goes... I used a piece of felt as my material (following Solderdude's recommendation). I also found a link to a 3d print file for a decorative piece that looks like the centre ring of the HD 660s. I sandwiched the piece of felt between 2 of the decorative pieces and then stuck the whole "sandwich" over the driver as you've done with the teabag material... the reason for mymethod was to create a small gap between the hole and the felt to avoid reducing the bass too much. the felt directly on the driver reduced the bass too much to my taste. I also did the "curtain mod" which involves replacing foam from the inside of the ear cups with sheer curtain fabric. This retains the bass response which is controlled by the outside of the driver (as you've shown) but also adds a little bit more sparkle to the treble (there's a curtain mod video here on youtube). I'd love to get my modded 58x measured at some point (I don't have the tech or smarts for that) but I love the balance of the tuning I've achieved
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Did you design the 3D printed file, or find it somewhere online?
@reflection1119
@reflection1119 3 года назад
The biggest take away for me is that the hd58x are great headphones in stock form but also so versatile with all the changes that can be easily made, you can get a bunch of different experiences from just one set.
@reflection1119
@reflection1119 3 года назад
@@SuperReview I found it online at thingiverse. Look up "hd58x jubilee driver decoration" I've tried linking here but YT says no
@mingkee27
@mingkee27 Месяц назад
I did a "no back" mod It's easy and 100% reversible Make 2 each of nickel (20mm diameter) size of mounting tape with 1/4" (6.3mm) hole on the center (2 rings) 2 ea of fine metal mesh from filter and cut slightly larger than 1/4" diameter (to cover the magnet hole) (Optional) Nickel (20mm) size plastic ring with 1/4" hole (for cosmetic purpose) Put the mesh on the hole of the ring (tape) and cover on the magnet with hole aligned Cover the headphones back cover after it's finished. The audio is more transparent after modification
@perdana5786
@perdana5786 2 года назад
Looking at the response around @13.07 I can basically do a low shelf filter EQ about -3db at around 2k and get a HD600 response out of the HD58X
@dentReviews
@dentReviews 3 года назад
i also love my retro marble hd600. best headphone ever made...
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I see a red door and I wanted it painted marble.
@herb601
@herb601 3 года назад
I didn't catch this live so you may have answered this question. What I didn't hear in your review was that the HD 58X has an impedance of 150 ohm while the 600 is 300 ohms. Big difference if you don't have fancy equipment to drive them. Drue eludes to the fact that his Sennheiser's sound like, well, you know. I'm wondering if he is aware of that? Probably, just asking. Another good suggestion. Thanks.
@simonescarazza7516
@simonescarazza7516 2 года назад
I tried it with felt but it didn’t work, with teabag I finally listen to that sound, great!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Awesome 🤙
@MichaelMooreboston
@MichaelMooreboston Год назад
Confirming as well. My test track is John Mayer's war of my life. That mid bass dropped therefore opening those mids a bit. I used a tea bag.
@Rosethorns7
@Rosethorns7 Год назад
I just wanted to know how to remove the grill to clean them after a year, thanks.
@gustargento2645
@gustargento2645 Год назад
does adding the teabag on the ear side of the headphone change the sound the same or does it only work with the magnet ring hole?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
I haven't tested, but I don't think it will be the same effect.
@dfwathomenowhome5150
@dfwathomenowhome5150 2 года назад
I teabagged my newly purchased 58x "Thanks!!" now she sounds so much sexier! I also removed the stock front covers and replaced with the dryer sheet. Yes they may rip easy but placements are just pennies per cover.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
What's the dryer sheet do?
@dfwathomenowhome5150
@dfwathomenowhome5150 2 года назад
@@SuperReview The Stock Foam Covers has a very slight muffed sound so I tested with/without covers up against my vintage Carver System and the Vinyl LP Stop Making Sense by the Talking Heads and there was a difference. But I still don't want the drivers naked due to dust collection. Your comment about the dryer sheets being so pores gave me the Idea to use them as front covers. My next modification is to switch out the ear pads for better comfort like the sleep skin ones on (Mass) Drop.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Warning that swapping ear pads will change the sound drastically.
@barryg9097
@barryg9097 2 года назад
I must have missed it, but what specific tape did you use between the magnet and the cut-out discs?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Ordinary double-sided tape.
@antonioietta39
@antonioietta39 Год назад
ho fatto la modifica che hai suggerito...credo funzioni veramente ....adesso ti faccio una domanda ...secondo te si può smorzare su diffusori da stand la invadenza delle basse sulle medio-basse aprendo cosi come sulle 58x la gamma media tappando con un materiale adatto il condotto bass reflex?...intendo un materiale che lasci passare aria, diverso dalla spugna in dotazione con gli speakers...il principio mi sembra simile ma ovviamente non è un crossover.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
I haven't tried it with speakers, only this headphone.
@madsdrastrup
@madsdrastrup Год назад
Thoughts about teabagging the HD600 to open up the treble? I know the Sennheiser veil isnt that pronounced on the HD600
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
Haven't done it myself, the HD 600 and other HD 6x0 headphones already have a foam cover over the hole.
@GIChow
@GIChow 3 года назад
@8:33 'spare' tea bag - I just call them tea bags :-D Great to make people more aware of modding..too often products are regarded as sacrosanct rather just manufacturer compromises. Btw I have a 2nd hand hd600 I got for £130 so great value to be had second hand too..headphone drivers don't tend to degrade as much as loudspeakers, though pads may need replacing (which also affect the sound).
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Great price on the HD 600, and yeah, probably a good idea to get a fresh set of pads.
@GIChow
@GIChow 3 года назад
@@SuperReview yep i guess, just looked on eBay now and some crazy prices 2nd hand..btw as well as hygiene pads get squashed which affects the response (how well they comply/release pressure/distance from ear) and got equivalents for fraction of the Sen price.
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
another mod is to get memory foam and trim it to small balls and then place it between the caps and the driver ... but keeping the original foam on 58X this will make almost the same but to me with more progression and extension
@HiFiGOAudio
@HiFiGOAudio 3 года назад
Recently getting HD600 for my personal use. Which amplifier would you recommend with it? I currently have L30 and TA-10 at home.
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
Don't stress it, I could drive my old 600 with my laptop output and get enough volume. The L30 should have both the volume and power enough. Incidentally if you'd like to experiment with tubes, they do scale pretty nicely.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I primarily listen from a Schiit Vali, but it's great out of a Drop x THX AAA One as well. Hoping to try it on an OTL tube like a Bottlehead Crack, but about 50/50 split on whether I expect it to be very different.
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
@@SuperReview I'm also aiming at using crack in the near future (lol)! From what I get from tube skeptics is that it is indeed different, tubes or not, because it boosts certain frequencies inherently (it is a intentionally colored amp). Check out amir measurements of it on ASR!
@HiFiGOAudio
@HiFiGOAudio 3 года назад
@@SuperReview Thanks. Will look for Schiit Vali then haha BottleHead Crack will need some DIY I won't have that much time sadly :(
@genaishivatov1737
@genaishivatov1737 11 месяцев назад
If you look at the capsule of HD600 (15:38) - in the region of 8-10 hours and 2-4 hours you can see plastic, black petals. Because of this, the mid-600s sounds haunting/screechy, coloring and at the same time hazy. On HD58X capsule (26:34) these petals have already been removed - so midrange is more pleasant and more correct.
@GETNAKD
@GETNAKD 3 года назад
Surely, I also noticed that peeling off the outer sponge of 58X improves overall sound by giving some sense of openness but using it for more than a year in this state, I didn't feel the need to cover the holes with something. In fact, EQing impacts the sound much more than that. :q
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Try it 👀
@cyclonasaurusrex1525
@cyclonasaurusrex1525 3 года назад
I steeped mine for about a minute. Magic.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
That's a short steep, but will avoid any bitterness. Water temperature also important.
@email2rahat
@email2rahat 5 месяцев назад
Do you recommend Magnet Mod ?
@fedeaguilera4341
@fedeaguilera4341 3 года назад
Hace 2 días probé este mod por curiosidad, ya que consideraba que mis 58x me gustan como vinieron de stock. Puedo confirmar que este mod, sin matar los bajos, aclara un poco los medios, gracias SR!!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Excelente, lo me gusta oir 🤙
@hgroton2078
@hgroton2078 3 года назад
I own this set and all I did was just removed the outer foams and I called the day! I'm ok with the way it sounds
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
It's a-OK to be OK ✌️
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
Its ok to remove the foam but u have to be careful because the hole is expsode and dust or hair can pass inside the diaphragms and that will cause problems over time... But if u store them inside somewhere then its ok without foam.
@WaZaaap6
@WaZaaap6 3 года назад
What about if you just take out the back pading? Isn't it will reduce the base as well as improve the mids/hights?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I don't think it does much to the sound.
@WaZaaap6
@WaZaaap6 3 года назад
@@SuperReview thank you for the reply
@1Dub79
@1Dub79 3 года назад
Well, well, the 58X Jubilee. I own these. The imaging on these are ridiculous.....in a good way.
@pp312
@pp312 2 года назад
I just removed all the foam in my 58x, front and back, and the sound is now $200 better. Tea bags? I use them to make tea.
@Pablito5614
@Pablito5614 2 года назад
I agree, I tried all the mods, foam, teabags, dryer sheets. Any mods you make to the effect the center hole ruins the perfect midrange sennheiser sound. Removing both foams and replacing the inside foam with something thin like leggings material really opens up the clarity separation and sound stage. It's the best it gets, which imo is pretty damn good. With mods I like them better than my sundaras, sundara just sounds too sharp and artificial in the tambour treble area. Sundara does everything else better but 58x w mods wins in midrange tambour and creaminess.
@cheekymonkey6791
@cheekymonkey6791 3 года назад
A great no risk mod. Have you (or anyone else) experimented with magnet modding?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I haven't done a magnet mod, but it sounds familiar, like something I've seen mentioned before.
@MikeyB00o
@MikeyB00o 2 года назад
I wonder if silkscreen would work, be interesting to try due to the different mesh sizing also
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Worth playing with other materials. Affixing silk in place might be tricky though, not sure if adhesives will stick well.
@WakeUpB2P
@WakeUpB2P 3 года назад
Would love to see a review of the 6XX from u
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Hm, if I get some time maybe I'll do a big Sennheiser roundup.
@SamuraiGuy
@SamuraiGuy 3 года назад
I was just considering getting these for my birthday soon!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Happy birthday to yourself :D
@SamuraiGuy
@SamuraiGuy 3 года назад
@@SuperReview thanks!
@Handlesareverylame
@Handlesareverylame Год назад
Could the tape damage the headphones at all? Thanks for reading!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
Nah.
@jerome5969
@jerome5969 3 года назад
Hi, is it recommended to remove the foam on the grills so I can see the driver?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Allegedly, the foam is there to prevent dust from entering the exposed magnet. If you cover the magnet hole with tea bag or some other material, that function would no longer be needed, so you could remove it. But I'm just repeating hearsay.
@jerome5969
@jerome5969 3 года назад
@@SuperReview Oh, good to hear that. If that’s the case I’ll remove the foams and will try your Tea bag mod 😁 thank you!
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
I would love to see a video of all mods for this headphone.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
This is the only one I've done.
@DivineFriedChicken
@DivineFriedChicken 3 года назад
Can I get the link to the foam? My 58x is in transit right now and I want to get prepared
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
This is the AKG foam disc that solderdude likes: www.fullcompass.com/prod/544759-akg-2260z09010-foam-earpad-disk-for-k240
@DivineFriedChicken
@DivineFriedChicken 3 года назад
Thank you so much my headphones just delivered today and I'll try the mods out tomorrow
@randysalsman6992
@randysalsman6992 19 дней назад
I'd mod it to give even more bass, I had these headphones before and they aren't very bass heavy at all. After these I upgraded to the HD 660S and then I upgraded again to the HD 800 S. After getting the HD 800 S I figured I didn't need all 3 pairs, so I sold the Jubilee's to a friend.
@Vektorion
@Vektorion 2 года назад
You can get a wider soundstage by putting a magnetic metal mesh over the drivers, and if you want to keep some of the bass, just make 2.5-3.5mm hole in the mesh
@tom16888
@tom16888 Год назад
Is it dangerous to the driver?
@Vektorion
@Vektorion Год назад
@@tom16888 No, since the mesh is very light and sticks to the magnet since it's magnetic
@Vektorion
@Vektorion Год назад
@@tom16888 It could be placebo but I can tell there's a difference in the sound stage
@Vektorion
@Vektorion Год назад
@@tom16888 If you've noticed, all expensive Sennheiser cans have metal mesh over the outside of the driver, you can see it in most pictures
@hasgoodles7807
@hasgoodles7807 3 года назад
Oh My, more troubling content. Kidding..
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Demonetization in 3... 2...
@alouisschafer7212
@alouisschafer7212 2 года назад
So I guess a modded HX58X is the sub 200$ endgame? Currently I use bass modded AKG K702 before that I had Beyerdynamics DT990 Pros which are junk in my opinion. So should I buy HD58X and mod them?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
From what I've heard, yeah. People seem to like the Hifiman HE400se.
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
Another mod for those want more high bass and lower highs is using Coffee filter between the driver and the foam in front .
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
What's that do?
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
@@SuperReview its a mod that was used mostly on Beyers for lowering some spikes. On HD58X that i mostly keep.them for mods the coffe filter between the driver and the foam makes the headphone darker. Another mod is the silk fabric behind the driver it reflects air waves better that tea bag and make bass linear. Something that helps dynamics is the magnet find a magnet same dimensions and have that over ... Its already be done and discussed on UK tunners the ones that are moding hd25 headphones.... But find a magnet with hole is hard... So what make the bass tighter is a mod that i use take a felizol or dynamat cut the same shape like the. Driver magnet with the same hole diameter then stick it like u did , that will.make the hole behind the driver longer and this will make the bass tight and progressive not flappy. There are other mods also .
@tysontyson1244
@tysontyson1244 3 года назад
I was excited to see the graph of comparing the frequency response. VERY disappointing that when you got to that point of the video that you did not show it and instead made the HD600 flat.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Why?
@tysontyson1244
@tysontyson1244 3 года назад
@@SuperReview I have the HD58x on the way to my home in the mail. I have never heard the HD600 nor will I ever.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I don't think I follow. Are you saying that comparing to HD 600 is not relevant since you don't have that frame of reference? If that's the case, I would say the graph will be meaningless to you, whether or not I use HD 600 as the baseline. A FR graph in isolation is pretty meaningless unless you have some reference that was also made on the same measurement system. Comparing my raw 58X graph to a raw graph from another system (e.g. EARS, GRAS, flat plate) will be more misleading than helpful.
@inaha7111
@inaha7111 9 месяцев назад
Dang just removing the pads really clear out alot of muffle. Now in busy songs i can hear symbals sounds properly.
@h-dawg6462
@h-dawg6462 8 месяцев назад
no it doesn't. that literally does nothing to the sound!
@Seabass901
@Seabass901 Год назад
I just happened upon this video while looking for something else. Interesting because I did something very similar. I lightly glued some "Randy's 3/4" brass screens" over the hole on some Game Ones with good results. You may want to try it.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
Nice alternative.
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
When i got HD58X and compare them side by Side with my HD 660s or the others 600 and 650 i get exactly what u said and honestly the difference between HD 660s is night and day mostly on separation and imaging
@qweneyon
@qweneyon 3 года назад
apparently simply removing the foam from the grills makes them sound like 660s
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
@@qweneyon Unfortunately not. HD58x share almost the same signature but they dont sound like HD660s un many ways. Imaging , sepperation , speee, tight bass , resolution us way better than HD58X. I wish 58x was sound the same like 660s but dont... If they was i would sell my 660s and kept only my 58x . By the way letting the back of the driver without foam on 58x u must be careful because inside there is the mebrane and hair or dust after time will change the sound.
@qweneyon
@qweneyon 3 года назад
@@Tripokaridos22 good to know, it's something I heard and tried. But wast a huuuuge fan of cause it made the highs a bit harsh to my ears. I can confirm this teabag thing works cause I just tried it and so far it does indeed feel cleaner in the lower mids.
@Tripokaridos22
@Tripokaridos22 3 года назад
@@qweneyon yeahp it works ... Also a silk behind the driver works great ot reflects waves better .
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
@@Tripokaridos22 Thats good to know. DMS had said that they're tonally similar to the 660s albeit not in its league in resolution and other characteristics, but it is nice to know this is not just his take. Incidentally, would you say the 660s are less bloated and muffled than the 58x with it's fowarded mid bass?
@matusjurcik6974
@matusjurcik6974 3 года назад
The tea bag rolling will be a whole new thing 😅.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Different tea bag material makes more difference than Hi-Res certification. Fax.
@matusjurcik6974
@matusjurcik6974 3 года назад
@@SuperReview true dat!
@tendousj
@tendousj Год назад
Is the current hd58x different and this mood don't give the same effect?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
Never heard of that.
@tendousj
@tendousj Год назад
@@SuperReview they talk about this in the ASR forum I think. The thread with solderdude
@jjjjjjj4610
@jjjjjjj4610 3 года назад
What dap would you recommend under 120 euro
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Fiio M3 Pro.
@fun_ruiner
@fun_ruiner 2 года назад
I don't understand, if you don't like the bass can't you just eq it lower? does this sound better than just EQing?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
I'm not much of an EQ user, and I use a lot of different devices (phone, laptop, desktop, audio player) and having EQ on all of them is not really what I want to do.
@fun_ruiner
@fun_ruiner 2 года назад
@@SuperReview fair enough
@arthurhaywood2184
@arthurhaywood2184 3 года назад
Interesting........ My issue with the 58X isn't the bass, it's the midrange. Too forward. What do you have for that?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Which part of the midrange is too forward for your liking? The only 58X mods I'm aware of are this magnet/teabag mod (reduces mid-bass), and a mod to remove foam from between the driver and the earpads (reduces treble). Maybe throwing on some leather pads would nuke the midrange, but I wouldn't try it :P
@arthurhaywood2184
@arthurhaywood2184 3 года назад
@@SuperReview Definitely the vocal region. Everything is very up front with them. It's what gives them a narrow soundstage. How much it bothers me is material dependent. As I've moved on to what I consider to be better headphones, I find that it's a characteristic that the 58X & the 6XX exhibit. Sometimes I'm cool with it, sometimes I'm not.......
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
@@arthurhaywood2184 This is really the signature of the 600 line and what drives most people towards them. If you like neutral or even recessed vocals I'd say go for something like the hifimans 4xx, 400i or the Sundara
@arthurhaywood2184
@arthurhaywood2184 3 года назад
@@lczp I'm not a Hifiman fan. My sonic preference can be described as neutral to slightly on the warm side of neutral but I am a stickler for accurate timbre & tonality. My top 3 owned headphones are the Elex, the Ether CX & the Quad ERA-1 so I'm not locked into one particular type of sound. I am partial to planar quickness though.
@lczp
@lczp 3 года назад
@@arthurhaywood2184 hahha lol, I had you figured for a starter, but you are way ahead of me having the Elex. I do have a X00 (delicious V monsters) and a 58X right now, and owned a HD 600 on the past. I love the sennheiser intimate midrange but am currently pulling hairs against the veil. I'm consering something the Elex in the near future to remedy that, but might go for the hifimans before. To my preferences though I think I lean on neutral to bright, so you figure why I find the senns literally too lukewarm
@VorpalSword9
@VorpalSword9 3 года назад
Is there a reason you don't EQ? Mods like these have always struck me as trying to accomplish the same thing as EQ but with way less control, but maybe that's just me being ignorant.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
If I was always listening to one headphone on one source, I'd probably have fewer reasons to not EQ. But moving between multiple headphones and sources, EQ gets challenging. Might forget you have EQ on and start listening to a different headphone. Might move to a source that doesn't have EQ, or doesn't have EQ with the same level of control (or different interpretations of EQ values).
@-musiclee-
@-musiclee- Год назад
I’m leaning towards the 6XX. But damn. They around. $280 now I believe plus tax.
@indigotradinggroup200
@indigotradinggroup200 3 года назад
Can I do these to beats?
@opiekrumpus4182
@opiekrumpus4182 2 года назад
Garbage headphones.
@PartySpock
@PartySpock 2 года назад
I want the legend,s all😊👍👍
@loconius
@loconius 3 года назад
58x or pc38x? Sound quality wise?
@blank-jo1xp
@blank-jo1xp 3 года назад
Pure audio quality goes to the 58x. The pc38x don't sound bad at all, but they're less detailed.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I haven't heard PC38X.
@74neverlast
@74neverlast 3 года назад
nice video - I wonder if my untrained ears would hear the difference ..from the graphs - it looks as if we are talking about 2-3db? Or not...?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
I think it's pretty noticeable, I would be surprised if you couldn't hear a difference. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if your preference was different than mine, however.
@74neverlast
@74neverlast 3 года назад
@@SuperReview thanks for the reply - indeed I like the base on my 58x and thus I am hesitant to give it a try - and on top of it... I use oratory's EQ to tweak the sound :)
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Yeah it'll definitely throw off the EQ.
@Vektorion
@Vektorion Год назад
Does this reduce soundstage?
@alleykat6273
@alleykat6273 Год назад
no, removing the foam opens it up, the felt is for restoring/tuning the bass freq
@sebastianalarcon817
@sebastianalarcon817 3 года назад
That video title... brave.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Bracing for RU-vid ban hammer, in 3... 2... 1...
@deshan79
@deshan79 3 года назад
I tried the mod with the green felt...I did not like it personally. For me, it ruined the bass decay too much. Felt like the bass fell off a little which is fine but the decay dropping too quick ruined it for me.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Did you try any other materials? The effect is pretty tunable with different degrees of airflow restriction.
@deshan79
@deshan79 3 года назад
@@SuperReview not yet...I might do that though. So far I only tried the green felt that he had listed as his preferred choice. Maybe something way thinner might be better...all the felts he tested are way thicker then what you are using.
@DJ_BROBOT
@DJ_BROBOT 3 года назад
On your screencap, was that a teabag lol
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Yes, Lipton.
@breal6910
@breal6910 10 месяцев назад
Earned a sub from me
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 10 месяцев назад
🤙
@-musiclee-
@-musiclee- Год назад
Why not remove the padding inside so you see through like the 650. Instead. Maybe that will do the trick and look cool too
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
It does not change the FR.
@-musiclee-
@-musiclee- Год назад
@@SuperReview but for the look 👀. But you say. Dirt can get in that magnet hole. If you remove the foam inside ? But with your mod. Plus removing foam. You should be good.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
That's the theory.
@Mutantovich
@Mutantovich 3 года назад
I can't hear half of the sounds after applying the mod.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
You might need to try a more porous teabag.
@-musiclee-
@-musiclee- Год назад
Doesn’t the double sided tape. Close up the hole ? You didn’t explain that The tape alone would change the sound. I’m confused
@SuperReview
@SuperReview Год назад
3:50 bruh
@-musiclee-
@-musiclee- Год назад
@@SuperReview ah I see the 4 small pieces.
@Emira_75
@Emira_75 3 года назад
Teabag 👉🏼👌🏽tehe
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
😏
@burgrluv
@burgrluv 2 года назад
My boy actually pronounced it "A-murrican" 6:10
@m4nc1n1
@m4nc1n1 4 месяца назад
15:47 thank God, lol
@axeldeeker5644
@axeldeeker5644 3 года назад
You could also just buy the hd560s ;)
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
IMO... 560S > 58X ...but... Teabagged 58X > 560S > 58X 😎
@kloug2006
@kloug2006 2 года назад
NOTE : I didn't try the mod yet. I have the HD58X for 3 years now (Massdrop just released it and it was $149) and I hated it since day one. Mark's description of the sound is spot on : "Cloudy and meh...". To that, I would add "Upper bass/lower mid congested and a generally uncrisp audio experience". When my brother just bought himself a brand new HD600, he came home for a comparison with my few headphones : (in order of preference) beyerdynamic DT990 Pro AKG K7XX HiFiman HE400i Fostex T50RP mk2 (with mods) Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee I first put the HD58X... and then HD600. Wow, I wasn't expecting so much difference, but for me it was huge. Then I compared with all my other headphones, and I understood why the HD600 is so praised. It was my favorite of the bunch, followed closely by my good old DT990. For my brother it was a tie between HD600 and DT990. For those who wonder, yes the HD600 is much better than the HD58X. For me it's like night and day. Now it's time to try this Teabag mod to find out if this HD58X is a hopeless case.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
I really wanna know if you like it.
@kloug2006
@kloug2006 2 года назад
​@@SuperReview I made the teabag mod and that cleaned up the lower midrange but when I get the low mid right to my taste, I loose too much of deep bass. Inversely, when I have the low bass to my taste, the low mid gets cluttered up again. One way or the other, I still prefer my other headphones to the HD58X. For now, I settled the HD58X with the teabag in "clean low mid but less deep bass" mode. I will let time pass a bit and listen again later. It's a fun experience though, thanks for the idea and the video.
@jacobfield4848
@jacobfield4848 Год назад
Removing the outside cup foam ruins the sound. It leaks more sound and ruins the headset for me. Removing the inner foam makes it sound harsh.
@jeofthevirtuoussand
@jeofthevirtuoussand 2 года назад
The best earphones would be a hd600 but earphone 😅
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
One day.
@kentbergstrom3020
@kentbergstrom3020 5 месяцев назад
Why not use PEQ instead? It's free and you can tune to your liking.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 5 месяцев назад
Because I have more than one source and more than one headphone.
@mdog6726
@mdog6726 9 месяцев назад
Hey, man. Did you touch my drum set?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 9 месяцев назад
No, does it look teabagged?
@mdog6726
@mdog6726 9 месяцев назад
@@SuperReview It's just weird 'cause...it seems like someone definitely touched my drum set.
@chefsteve8381
@chefsteve8381 3 года назад
Glad you told someone not to mess with his stax you go straight to hell if you do !!
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
LOL he was joking.
@imian7133
@imian7133 2 года назад
Just remove that bit of foam! (Next to the grill)
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
I don't think that changes the FR.
@ErmintrudeRissole
@ErmintrudeRissole 6 месяцев назад
No point, a decent amp will even out the bass, improve the sound stage and imaging if it bothers you. Not a FiiO, or Shcitt, they won't do that.... they don't have the technology. Zen Dac does it perfectly.
@jani80k
@jani80k 2 года назад
Can't you just EQ?
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
Go for it 👍
@jani80k
@jani80k 2 года назад
@@SuperReview I tried EQing a bit for the last 2 hours. It seems these headphones respond quite well.
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 2 года назад
I'm not a fan of EQ myself.
@jani80k
@jani80k 2 года назад
@@SuperReview I did the teabag mod now, it is superb. Thanks for the vid.
@jani80k
@jani80k 2 года назад
@@SuperReview I removed the pads. The change is very subtle. In my opinion they do sound wider, more open. I don't think it's my imagination but at the same time the frequency response doesn't seem to have been altered. Certain instruments just "float" a bit more around your head.
@CardinalsFanever
@CardinalsFanever 3 года назад
There's nothing to improve on 58x. And as for HD600, even M50x are much better headphones.
@chefsteve8381
@chefsteve8381 3 года назад
No way i own both and the clarity of HD 600 kills M50x and M50x sounds like listening through a tunnel with bloated muddy bass
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 года назад
Yeah this is just for my preferences, not everyone will agree.
@CardinalsFanever
@CardinalsFanever 3 года назад
Serious question for both. Is it possible that old 600 sounds differently to 600 new revision? I think so. Can you compare it?
@CardinalsFanever
@CardinalsFanever 3 года назад
@@chefsteve8381 I own both as well.
@C0n4rt
@C0n4rt 3 месяца назад
Plz stop talking
@SuperReview
@SuperReview 3 месяца назад
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