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Yeah I agree. When I first watched the movie and then the show (many years ago now) I didn't even realize initialy that it wasn't the same actor. The difference between Kurt Russell and Richard Dean Anderson was really obvious, but I genuinely thought that they kept the same actor for Daniel Jackson.

@@SGtidbits Michael Shanks did that deliberately, to aid continuity. I saw an interview with him where he said that when he realised the show wasn't going to be short lived that he'd have to slowly reduce those mannerisms because he couldn't keep it up for years. It turned out to be a really good way to develop a character.

@@SGtidbits Me too. When i rewatched stargate the movie i was shocked how similar and yet different daniel jackson was.

It was a good move. Who wants to see a guy sneezing and blowing his nose every episode. Not even Shanks could make that interesting week after week. :)

@@andrewparnell5566 Yeah, but he made it really work with the episode where a virus turned everyone in Stargate Command into Neanderthals.

Yeah, I miss those days as well.

We were truly spoiled in the 1990's and early 2000's for sci-fi. Weekly TV episodes and VHS were a lovely medium.

Yeah - and they had social commentaries embedded in decent stories - and didn't ram 'woke' down your throat with long dramatic heart-to-hearts that are really just time fillers or virtue signalling e.g. Star Trek Discovery.

The weekly format never worked for me. A week later, I didn't remember that I was looking forward to it and went out with my friends. Months later, I would catch an episode of a tv show that I'd liked two months ago and think: "Oh yeah, that was cool." Next week, forgotten.

@@hariseldon3786 Star Trek has always been "woke". Go cry.

And thus down the amazing ten season long rabbit hole we go.

@@QuantumShock1 Plus another seven seasons from two spin-offs and a couple movies.

@@matthew8153 stargate universe was a fail

@@flisko123 nah it started off bad but so did this series SGU was taking off when it got cancelled.

really wish that it paid off when he got turned into a prior. The parts with him strapped to that chair and the only one who trusts him is Teal'C because 'this is exactly what I would do... did.'

to be fair Carter only doubted him for like a second until he suggested the drift and then her brain just kicked into overdrive.

What fun would that be?

There was that time Daniel told Gen. Hammond about intell he received in a dream and Hammond immediately green lit a mission based on it. I believe his justification was, "The things I've heard sitting in this chair..."

My life in a nutshell

I love it. :D

DESPITE the best efforts of idiots like Kinsey to prevent it.

I wish it wasn't sped up. They could have milked it soo well.

@@thesprinklerguy2598 If they had the money...

With half the cast of farscape copy/pasted onto it

I would say technically finding the stargate itself was the find of the century. The rest is just bonus.

I might be wrong but I think Atlantis was found the next century

@@EsquilaxM never actually considered that. Jeez I’m old.

Dr Rush: Laughs* haha i found the find of our existence. If not Destiny than the Journey to Reach the Message in the CMB

The stargate was the find of the 20th century. Atlantis was the find of the 21st century. They just happened to be about a decade apart.

I miss how old shows were made, not the stuff we usually get these days

@@existinghuman432 the first few season of SG1 were the best. The other seasons... welll they were ok...

@@Terlin1466 I completely agree- I think after 5th season it kind of started going down. Before that, though, it was amazing

@@Terlin1466 I liked it more when it was a small team of travelers exploring new worlds and engaging in small battles, rather than when it was an all out war. I loved seeing a horde of F-302s fighting against the Death Gliders but at that point it mostly became power vs power and not so much about tactics from the smaller, weaker side going against the much stronger enemy, something I really liked about the earlier seasons.

it was so well written, they didn't need to continue to do nudity like most bad sci fi stuff did back then. Only had one maybe two nude women. Sucks they wasted potential with Stargate Atlantis and Stargate Universe. But then they kinda rushed things, what other show out there starts out in modern tech and then after 10 years becomes the "super power" of the galaxy? Kinda made no sense, but since I loved the ancient world and ancient mythos, I couldn't get enough of this show even when it was going down hill. then as some one named merlin, the ending really made me happy. Not of Universe or Atlantis. Atlantis ending sucked, should have just ended it and not brought it to earth. And universe spent too much time fighting and not doing enough star gate...prequel was interesting but not fully appreciated. I want more Universe but with SG1, maybe it would have got some where.

Most of galaxy resembles British Columbia remember?

Nah, the model would work. It's just arrogant corporate types assuming it wouldn't work.

the virtual sets often look and feel empty and bland

I dunno. The Orville kind of proved that. We have a lot of fans who see it as the true spiritual successor to Star Trek now, and they want more.

Episodic tv is becoming more popular again. Many of the biggest sci-fi franchises like Star Wars and Marvel are becoming overly serialised, as well as doing it wrong. When tying in properties you want the worldbuilding and the general feel of the shows to fit nicely together, instead they have a clusterfuck of different toned characters in the same story, and character arcs split across different mediums with expensive paywalls (good luck watching the Marvels from India, you totally have the money to watch Wandavision and Ms Marvel on Disney+). Stargate kept the worldbuilding and plot consequences consistent. The ZPM discoveries and Time Jumpers in Atlantis would effect the plot points of SG1 and vice versa, but even if you didn't watch one, you could understand that stuff happened on another show. Even examples like Doctor Who did it well. Characters like Captain Jack and Sarah Jane were introduced, or reintroduced and then got their own shows, but they could still be easily brought in for the team up episode. Compare that to Ahsoka for example. She wasn't in any of the movies, then gets introduced in a teeny Star wars show. It then turns out she survived the prequels and comes back in a shitty show for 5 year olds, dies 3 times, then gets brought back on another show like 7 years later, then her own show adds more retcons to her time missing, rather than showing it in consecutive order. Sci-fi as a premise is basically like a puzzle game, exploring how the sci-fi gimmicks and Mcguffins and how the characters and the world interacts with them. That's why people enjoyed Stargate and why people like newer Sci-fi shows like the Orville. Even if the characters suck, in a more episodic show you can still enjoy the gimmick of the week. With Marvel and Star Wars, when their character writing, and worldbuilding and plot consistency falls flat, there is nothing to fall back on except le epic original comic (no i don't give a fuck that "SuckMcBallMan is able to lift the weight of 18 quadrillion omniverses while being eaten alive by demons" in the comics, you fucking nerd)

His hair was the source of his power.

I wouldn't say "two". The movie and series had zero continuity in terms of cast and production. All the main characters were "recast".

well he started out doing something of a Spader impression then slowly over time evolved it into his own unique thing.

@@Shiirow Even better is that his unique thing made sense within the context of the series. He's frequently going on trips to the stars where there is a lot of danger that frequently leads to a firefight. The idea that he wouldn't start working out just to not slow down the others. Cutting his hair probably worked better with on-site barbers, etc.

You do remember that every one in the movie was played by different people right? Spader is a good actor, but I think he was miscast here.

When I was a kid watching the show I thought that Carter was smart, but looking back now... the shit she says is rather stupid a lot of the time.

Many of the early season writers got shifted around or out. You can see them introducing more lore and "better" science later on.

Stellar drift... They even say why in this episode.

lazy writing :3

How do you suppose that there are only 4782969? What is your math, because the way I see it the math is the following: 6 symbols for coordinates, 1 for Origin, this always being the same doesn't count. The gate has 39 symbols, one of which is the PoO which again can't be used for anything but origin. So we get 38 symbols viable for a first address point, 37 for the second, 36 for the third, 35 for the fourth, 34 for the fifth and 33 for the sixth. 38*37*36*35*34*33= 1.987.690.320 So almost 2 billion addresses, well past 1,6 billion. Also possibly to write it as: 38!/(38-6)! = 1.987.690.320 It's the factorial of 38 divided by the factorial of 32 which gives us the number of options available.

Or the DHD in the Abydos gate room apparently.

@@willdavis3802 well the update sure happens once in a while right?

@@willdavis3802 like Daniel said, "I figure the destinations I tried were either destroyed or buried"

@@CaptainAwsome A hundred of the most important places to the Supreme System Lord at the time, All buried or destroyed? Get a lotto ticket, luck like that doesn't happen every day.

The stargate has 39 symbols, and they need 7 to get somewhere. Assuming the last one will always be the point of origin then there are ‭1,987,690,320‬ (=38x37x36x35x34x33) symbol combinations (permutations)‬. Canon never says how many stargates are in the Milky Way, but going by the wall in the video they're probably in the tens of thousands, out of 2 billion, which means their chances of getting a hit after only 100 permutations is 1 in 2,000 chance.

as well as SG-1 and Atlantis xd

This was Showtime network pilot episode. My first statement was poorly phrased. When I wrote “entire Stargate Universe” I was not referring to the TV series Stargate: Universe. I meant the writers had to expand from just Ra as a villain. This chamber allowed them to vastly expand the scope of the Stargate....to Universal levels....not just to one planet...

@@alexius23 He's back!

The biggest of fires can come from the tiniest of sparks, but the former can't exist at all without the latter.

The stupid thing is that random coordinates still could have worked despite the drift. Although the numbers are probably pretty huge by those amounts of symbols. Kinda weak explanation but could work if the numbers are high enough and you only have 1: 100 000 chance to randomly guess a working coordinate

@@HUNKragor They may have gotten the coordinates right by luck but without compensating for stellar drift, it still didn't work.

@@wchan39 they could luck out for the CORRECTED coordinates as well

@@HUNKragor I have always wondered that. A mobile (sell) number doesn't change if you travel to the other side of the world.

Whenever the Goa'uld have an opportunity for progress, they backstab each other until it goes away.

tis what happens when you dominate the majority of the galaxy...there are no external threats outside of Goa'uld killing each other off. No need to advance or steal technology.

@@retrospect6904 In Dutch we call that "de wet van de remmende voorsprong", which roughly translates to "the law of the handicap of a headway". It's a fascinating historical concept.

You mean technology stealers

@@retrospect6904 there are plenty of motivation to progress, advance enough and they could wipe their tail with the protected planet treaty. They are too far behind to catch up conventionally but they could make significant progress by reverse engineer Lantean tech

A code.

Yeah, Brad Wright's stupid misreading of the original film is stupid.

Why would it need symbols at all? It would just need on/off if it only went to one place.

To be fair, your 3-digit combination lock has 1000 possibilities, and it only unlocks one door when you get the combination right.

@@Duragizer8775 nothing was missread just alters and expanded and honestly it was for the best as sg1 will go down as one of the greats

Well when you gotta retcon, you gotta retcon...

It does make sense not to venture out "that far" in the first journey. I like the process of taking up multiple times the usual energy and having an 8th chevron to dial to another galaxy, makes the stargate network feel more flashed out and real, if you get what I mean.

@@jayhill2193 Well yeah because in the original movie, it was more fantasy whereas the TV series was more science fiction and so needed real world applications...

In the original move, Ra was a human-looking alien; not a parasitic organism. They needed to make some changes to convert the concept of stargates (which deserved far better than the movie was able to deliver) from a one-shot movie into a recurring TV series.

It's 2021 now.

@@Catubrannos And it will be 2022 in a year. Hi

And in the original movie, O'Neill had only one "l". Also, Ra was the last of his alien species and looked differently from the Goa'uld of the show.

Yeah the TV show only roughly used the movie's story, but it ended up being it's own thing. The original Stargate movie was meant to be a trilogy too. This reveal of the Stargate system was meant to be in the second movie from what I see said by the writers, Children of the Gods did use some of the screenwriting for the next movie. But yeah the show changed a lot of things, like the Goa'uld being freaking parasitic snakes, etc.

@@DrZaius3141 They explained the visual differences between Ra in the tv series by basically making Ra's previous host an Asgard before they suffered the consequences of their extensive genetic modifications.

A lot of stuff from the movie was retconed.

The pilot of Star Trek took place at "the other end of this galaxy". By the time the TNG, we'd only explored part of the Alpha Quadrant, and Voyager was stranded 75 years from home. Not the first time a franchise realised it had made space too small.

Same, Amanda Tapping was amazing in her portrayal of Carter.

They shouldn't' try, the chemistry should be unique to each series, like it was with Star Gate Atlantis. Shephard, McKay to name just a few.

Is that even Amanda Tapping? I don't know what to believe anymore, after finding out that Daniel and Jack aren't played by the same actors in the movie.

@@neolexiousneolexian6079 Yes, it’s her, in 1997 (or late ‘96). Only Jack & Daniel were in the movie (‘94), and recast for the series. Sam & Teal’c debuted in the series, and have never been recast.

Assuming Ra was the one that left that "10,000 year old phone book" behind. Strange they never find such a place in Apophis territory or Ba'als... like Ra was the only one that left a written directory around.

Hi Good point, my guess is Abydos was like central station - they mined and exported, but also all the other world under Ra's control mined and send it to Abydos, possibly why the "street directory " is there, must be hard memorizing valid addresses - 7 numbers for local, then another for long distance Funny how it is exactly the same as our old PSTN phone system Also RA may not have known it existed, some slave / servant may have noticed the symbols on a dial up and wrote them down, eventually the "underground / resistance " made the chambers and listed them ( but resistance would not make it no pretty )

@georgemaragos2378 The only reason I say this was Ra's "little black phone book" and not a leave-behind of the Gatebuilding Ancients or their seed ships. When O'Neill was unspooling the Ancient database that was downloaded into his brain: He hijacked the dialing computer and uploaded [along with who knows what else] a complete map of gates [including the ones that the Gou'ald might not have known about]. This was something pointed out when Daniel, Teal'c & Bratac were scrolling thru the dialing computer for an address to Kheb. Carter explained why the addresses were in 2 two colors in the computer. 1 color was for gates from the Abdoys "yellow pages". The other color was for gates not mentioned by the Abydos phone book... but from the uploaded Ancient data in O'Neill's brain before the Asgard scrubbed it from his head. So clearly, the Abdyos dialing guide was the System Lord version. Which would also explain why the Atlantis expedition never found a Abydos version of gate listings in the Pegasus Galaxy. I do wonder, the Ancients left at least 2 brain-downloading databases, a gate-destroying weapon that Ryac destroyed, and the device that could have reset the galaxy in the Milky Way. Pegasus Galaxy No databases left like time capsules No unattended Ancient weapon prototypes.

I believe it was implied it was his primary naquadah source, so pretty important.

Hey, pal...this ain't Star Trek!

@@Mumblix Are you an idiot? The Wookie Alliance is from Farscape!

Ugh, I hate Dune.

There's an interview with Amanda Tapping, where she describes reading the script while considering taking the role. She realized the character of Samantha Carter was going to be crucially important to showing girls that it was ok for them to seek out careers in STEM and the military. (Remember, this was the '90s. My undergraduate engineering school had a 5:1 ratio of men to women.) I'm pretty sure the script writers knew it too, and made sure to emphasize it in Daniel's lines.

Well. It is rather obvious that they got inspired by eachother. Even some of the scenes are similar. E.G: The presentation/lecture of the protagonists.

Thats because Atlantis actually ripped off stargate. And by stargate I mean 1994 movie stargate. Thats why they look simular

Not to mention the stylized “/\”/“A” in Atlantis is basically Earth’s Point-of-Origin symbol.

@@UGNAvalon Oh ye. I just noticed. Lol.

was still early in the series. Just like how joey was actually normally smart then they made him stupid.

The DHD only corrects for drift, it can't correct for gates being moved or buried which if the planet used to be under Goa'uld control is not unlikely that the Goa'uld either took the gate with them or that the locals buried it to get rid of the Goa'uld

@@victorselve8349 A gate system under Ra, the most powerful go'uld lord from his beginning until until his death, should be accurate at least at the time it was made. Mark that as 10000 years before, and that means either Every one of the hundreds of gateworlds he deemed important enough to mark on one of his primary worlds managed to rebel and bury their gate, or the writers didn't understand their own technobabble.

Or maybe that room is a list of rebelled worlds

Daniel said he only tried a handful of the addresses, so its entirely possible that by pure luck he picked the ones where the gates had either been moved, or buried... of course, please remember guys, this was the show's EARLY days, give them a break

ikr On the other hand, our spiral galaxy has non-static arms. Stars closer to the center move differntly than outer stars. THAT is a way more important effect if anything.

Actually they have the same angular velocity which is one of the underlying indicators for 'dark matter'.

Could have randomly gotten marked as spam. That happens when you post links for instance. They corrected it?

+Kiyoshi Kirishima, that's true, but the stars still interact with each other gravitationally so their relative positions still drift over time.

Evi1M4chine Considering you dropped in on a conversation about an old as hell sci-fi show (a conversation that's been dead for almost a year, no less), calling someone a schizophrenic and adding in religion for good measure... you're not all that well-off, yourself.

That, and 50k years is barely noticeable on the billion year timescale of the universe.

They seem to correct this in a later episode. Carter refers to it as proper motions (google it) when explaining how they corrected the Abydos cartouche coordinates to make them usable. I'm pretty sure they had an astrophysicist on staff (along with someone from the military) to advise them about the scripts.

Well they needed 7 symbols and the POI to get to the homeworld of the asgard which was explained with it being in another galaxy so I would assume it is the same case here.

@@ArlosPA 7 symbols: intragalactic 8 symbols: intergalactic 9 symbols: special addresses permalinked to a planet or gate. I'm not sure if there is a way to dial an 8 symbol address into the same Galaxy but it is defenitely always possible to use a 7 symbol address in your own galaxy.

Headcanon: that's because the cartouche is not a repository of gate addresses, but instead a record of the journey Ra took to reach Abydos. Basically "I went from this planet to this address, then this one, etc etc"

@@victorselve8349 I highly doubt it, unless you can somehow have two separate networks inside the same galaxy since that basically what the eight chevron symbolizes. But even if you could I don't see a reason for the Ancients to set that up.

@@mrfafaa96 the question is if it is a static addition to dial a separate network or an extra distance calculation, if it is a static addition I would think you could dial your own galaxy the same way you can dial a phone with your same area code with or without the area code, it would just be a redundant command. If it is really just an extra distance calculation I doubt that it would work since you would need an extra distance inside your own galaxy and seeing how small galaxies are compared to the voids between them it is unlikely that a additional distance calculation that short is included

Later on they explained that the gate addresses are not like a phone number (except the 9-symbol one at the beginning of Universe) but a set of coordinates for the gate to look for a corresponding gate. This is also why gates that have been moved from one planet to another or onto a ship can still connect to the network, but need a new point of origin for outbound dialing. And also why the precedence system for gates in the same solar system was established. (Pegasus gate overrides Milky Way gate, gate with DHD overrides gate without DHD, etc.) Side note: This last point makes me wonder what happened with the gates at the end of Atlantis when the city and its Pegasus gate are on Earth...

@@evknucklehead on ur side note, im guessing they kept using the beta gate til they built the Mk 3 gate in atlantis, then either disabled it til they were ready to leave and kept using the beta gate outside or used the atlantis gate bc it was automatically disuse the beta gate

@@evknucklehead They more then likely either used the Atlantis gate, or used the work around they made for mid-way so the Atlantis gate wouldn't take over. * SPOILERS * Eventually Atlantis does leave, and there were plans for it to not stay long in the first place so they likely did the latter.

@@evknucklehead probabally all incoming Pegasus activity went to the Atlantis gate while all incoming Milky Way activity went to the SGC gate

@@evknucklehead Atlantis gate and DHD overruled the SGC one

To be fair that's rather good for 90's show. If I remember correctly, gravity will keep our galaxy cluster (Milky way, Andromeda, etc) close to each other forever. But other galaxy clusters will drift away from us.

Eddie Morrone Something wrong?

To be fair, Daniel is an archaeologist, not an astrophysicist. Most of the science in the show (especially later on) were well beyond his pay grade. On the flip side however, historical records, linguistics and anthropology were his field of expertise. So, I don't necessarily agree with you saying they dumb down'd Daniel and double down'd Sam, they instead just streamlined what they're roles are supposed to be.

The other system lords probably did fight over Ra's territory. At this stage the Tau'ri were just not aware of the scale of things out there.

Daniel Jackson & the Abydonians were guarding the gate, fearing a Gou'ald incursion. Yet none of Ra's ships of the line or his rivals visited there until Anubis...

@@varianschirmer9375 Many worlds became free after the Goa'uld who owned them died. It wasn't an uncommon thing. Anubis only visited and destroyed Abydos because it had the Eye of Ra...otherwise not even he would care about the planet.

And this was the case. Ra's death as the supreme system lord meant that his seat was up for the taking along with his territories. Now later we know that as more and more of the "old" system lords died off(Apophis, Sokar, Her'ur, Kronos,) the chaos and uncertainty within the structure of the system lords became bigger. Altough the greatest influence in their council was held by Yu. Untill of course FUCKING ANUBIS came arround. After the fall of anubis(not his asskick from Oma) the influence and power returned to him. Untill of course the replicators killed off the council, and only a handfull less important remained except Ba'al.

So we are supposed to assume Apophis claimed the ships & territories? That's the disconnect I have. Ra goes boom. A year or so later Apophis visits Earth and Abydos by stargate, not flagship. He leaves Chulak by gate also. His attack on Earth was 2 ships. It makes me wonder exactly how beaten down was Apophis & the other system lords when Ra died. How stretched were their fleets...?

There is reference in other episodes to addresses from the Abydos cartouche being part of the addresses collected in the SGC database, however, this room with the gate addresses is never shown again as far as I know, and it is also not established that they were able to gather all of the addresses from this room.

They were seeded by the Ancients. It's by design the addresses lead to worlds capable of supporting human-like life.

This is from the pilot episode, Children of the Gods.

@@SGtidbits thank you

The DHD contains it's own power source. That's why in episodes where they don't have a DHD or it malfunctions, they have to provide an external power supply and dial manually.

But there is a change of locations from the rotation of the galaxy.

No, but even so things in galaxies tend to move anyways or are knocked around a bit from other influences - black holes, large stars, asteroids hitting things, imperfect orbits, etc.

her explanation of it was wrong, but movement is still a problem within a galaxy. In fact, its a greater problem, as the stars closer to the center move faster relative to the galactic core than those further away.

Yeah, that ticked me off . . .

Did you enjoy it?

@Jerry MathurinLol, don't make excuses. Clearly the writers don't really have any grasp of basic physics. It breaks immersion when they pull stuff like that. They did it all the time throughout the series, which totally spoiled a lot of episodes.

As Sam Carter would herself say in a later episode "everything about that sentence was wrong"

@@qwadratix people like you ruin the simple things in life

What do you mean it matches but I think originally the destination was extra galactic and we all know that got retconed for the series to exist.

Only if they're connected to a DHD and not buried.

@@SGtidbits good points

They were working on the theory that they were addresses, that each address was link to a unique gate and it didn't matter where that gate was. It turn out they weren't addresses but GPS coordinates and you need to compensate for stellar drift to make the system function.

Well, 1 year has passed since the movie so Daniel had plenty of time to explore and discover more of Abydos.

Remember in the movie, Abydos was located in a different galaxy but in the TV series, all the Stargates are located within the Milky Way……

@@killbot86 So an entire room full of gate addresses that could take the SG team even farther away from Earth than they initially were. :3

Ehm... perhaps 39 * 38 * 37 * 36 * 35 * 34 * 33 = 77519922480.

More likely 38!+1 (since last symbol as POI is always the same)

MKcLTM but 38! would mean that you're going to use all of the symbols at the same time, wouldn't it? But you can only enter 6 symbols at a time.

Hmm good point. Then i would assume 38×37×36×35×34×33 = 1,987,690,320

@@Domihork but remember they had to dile 8 symbols to get to Atlantis because its further away

because they thought they were addresses, an address always work, 123 smithfied, London will always lead you to the same location. However what they were actually dealing with a GPS system, an unless you compensate for the location of the satellite moving around, the system would gradually get less and less reliable.

@@DavidKnowles0 the stellar drift takes place over many thousands of years .. The main reason the gate network didn't work in the beginning is because the gates were not used for many 10's of thousands of years and hadn't been automatically adjusted .. In later episodes they told us that this happens in the network as a correlation update .. That is how Ba'al used the Jay Felger virus to shut down the earth local network

@@xadam2dudex but that not how thought the network. They thought each Stargate had a unique address that could dial without making any changes. That why it didn't occur to them take drift into account.

@@DavidKnowles0 Sam should have figured it out and not an archeologist

*Thirteen zodiac signs. Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Ophiucius, Aquarius.

she literally explained why :V

they do rotate, therefore differences in their relative coordinates might appear. And it depends where the zero point of the coordinates are