Morgan, If you don't feel comfortable trying the goose egg, then DON"T! If you decide to, PLEASE make sure Allison is there and you have meds to help you in case you get sick and/or need to go to the hospital.
It really just isn't worth it Morgan. Anaphylaxis is dangerous even with meds right there. So not worth it. And not fair to put Allison in that position. Let's stick to hatching them or selling them then, ok? Good.
Morgan is slightly allergic to cats, but the goose egg? If there's any question of sensitivity to goose eggs, see an allergist first, Morgan. Or just stick with chicken eggs.
Morgan is allergic to duck eggs. I agree, if he is going to try a goose egg, to wait until Alison is home. And to not even try it, if his duck egg allergy give him anything like an anaphylactic reaction. A stomach ache is one thing or a rash. Anaphylaxis is something entirely different, esp if they are far away from a hospital.
It's good that you didn't yell at Toby when he corrected Abby for going near his food. His correction was not only justified but he also showed a healthy amount of restraint, he only corrected her as hard as he needed to and didn't go overboard. He was just firm enough with her to get his point across and then he backed off. Very healthy interaction between two dogs.
wow, it's impressive how Toby immediately defended his food against Abby, while at the same time has no problem with Morgan moving his bowl or petting him while he eats. That's a well trained dog! 😎👍
I really like be your comment about them being ok to hang out by themselves. Our new boy, Zion, is 11 weeks old and is quite ok being on his own in his crate. He even chooses to go in there without being told to go. Amazing dogs ❤️ We’re in tropical Queensland, Australia. Thanks for your LGD vids. It’s very heartening to see our boy (first ever Maremma) is normal. Love your vids Morgan. Thank you
This was such a cute video with all the barn animals.... Was great to see the interaction between Toby and Abby... Classic dog communication at it's best! Was so good I had to watch it twice!! 🤓🤓
Great content, per usual. When I was training 2 puppies, I was very intentional with food. I said each puppy's name while indicating the bowl or treat. I tolerated no aggression and worked on Stay while treating. Sisters, which helped. But the naming the bowl helped tremendously. Best wishes
The temp thing was cool for ONE TIME. I love all your videos though. I just love the daily routine of how nice you are to all the animals. I think you are a beautiful human being for being so kind to them.
Glad to see both dogs getting to be friends. Was so surprised when Abby took off after the bird. Am wondering if she will try it again. She very clearly understood she had done wrong. Yes am curious if u r allergic to goose eggs. But am not anxious to see u sick from one. I get like u. I get violently ill. Vomit and have diarrhea. Till whatever it is out of my system. Good luck with whatever u decide to do about it.
Very interesting video, between seeing the coat difference, too the horns releasing heat. Super cool tool. Love to see the puppy training. I think you trained Toby SUPER well, so what ever that takes is what must happen to the puppy. Keep up the great work Morgan.
That correction from Toby made me jump a lil bit...lol. He's such a chill guy most of the time so I wasn't expecting that at all. I like that he didn't try to hurt her, firm but fair
You're very good at training your dog! I myself l, when training my dogs dont mind giving them a smack on the butt when they tried to chase the birds. But all depends on the dog whether some light physical corrections are affective, or just scare the dog.
Almost all countries in the world use celcius, there are only a handful that use fahrenheit. Poor Abby is still so timid, this is what can happen when you completely miss out on the socialisation window. She may always have issues with strangers and any changes to her routine. I'd consider putting her on a long lead for the next several times you let out the ducks to ensure that you can correct her swiftly.
I have always wanted to like eggs, I’m not allergic, but also feels like food poisoning ! I would definitely watch the video and who knows I might be able to give it a shot
That NOOOO always works with me with my cats, I remember one chased my budgie and the slow introduction and slowly saying no when they tried to nip the bird, eventually they were friends, what I really mean is that the birds were pests & wanted to ride on the back of my cats, they were quite annoyed but never harmed them. One time I totally forgot that I didn't pop the bird in the cage & left the house. Drove like a maniac home. My daughter ran upstairs, ***this was a new rescue cat from the shelter,*** we were really expecting to get home to a pile of feathers, I couldn't run upstairs so my daughter did, I waited for my daughter to give me the bad news, but she said it's ok mom, you can come up, all good, that new cat had chased the budgie all the way to the walk in closet, my daughter she's all marinated with the cat slobber but its alive. Yeah she was very much alive and was telling the cat off 😅😻🙀
Poor Abby, she’s cold, getting swatted by cats, yelled at for behaving like a puppy and then almost attacked by Toby becuase she didn’t know the food you were putting down wasn’t for her. All in all poor girl can’t catch a break.
Hello Gold Shaw Farms!! We would like to get a drone with a thermal detector to help us find missing calves in pastures! They are quite expensive though! Maybe someday! We are a farm family of all girls! I am fourteen and I have a RU-vid channel about our farm! It is such a blessing to be able share what the Lord has blessed us with!
Morgan, please don't try the egg. I am allergic and had two such severe anaphylaxis with cardiac arrest that I almost died. That was a real trauma. You can do an allergy test to see if you can tolerate the goose eggs. You'd better leave it before that... 🙏🏻
Hi. Morgan. Retired allergy clinic worker here & love your channel! Please don't test dose yourself to egg at home! Fatal reactions can occur and your rural location could slow emergency response time significantly. An appointment with a board certified Allergist would be best option, IMO. Best regards to all the Gold Shaw family.
Toby was on leash long enough to learn with minimal correction. Abby could benefit from that too. Have you checked about reactions of egg allergies? Your medically trained wife would be a good reference point.
I think tools like that are just toys, you don't really need them on the farm, it seems. I'm more interested about what you do with those goose eggs. Sell? Incubate? You should really try to add some water to the cats' food. Might avoid some problems that Pablo run into.
How Toby responded to Abby coming close to his food is way harsh than I've ever seen him ever be. He has birds and cats coming close to his food (Pablo the Cat being the only animal on the farm he allows to share his food with) and he has never responded to them coming to his food the way he did to Abby. Which makes sense because she's a very young puppy, and a new addition to the farm. Just like Morgan does, Toby needs to set the ground rules to the puppy because she isn't just like a dog to him, but will be his future partner (less about the future mate and more about the partner in defendibg and guarding the animals on the farm). I've read some of the comments here and found out about the duck egg allergy. Please dont, just to be safe. If you will, then have Allison with you just to be safe.
Question: Since the barn cats often want to eat Toby's food but i've never seen Toby attempt to eat cat food, wouldn't it make more sense to feed the cats before the dogs? :)
The cat food is kept near the house and not in the flock yard. Since Toby rarely leaves the yard I doubt he would have had a chance to even see the cat food. It's best that he doesn't anyways.
If you are going to pick up the puppy’s food bowl then you need to hand her a treat when you do it. Just picking it up will actually teach her to resource guard. The other thing you can do is add yummys to the bowl as she eats. Please don’t pick up her bowl again without making adjustment to your behavior. (I’m a guardian dog breeder/owner for over 40 years)
Morgan, why don't you feed the cats first? You come out of the house, their food is at the house, doesn't that just make sense? Then they may not be trying to get into Tobys food.
She was washed before she traveled to the farm, and it's not a good idea to wash a dog during winter. Probably it's the harness(that she really shouldn't have on all the time) that's a bit irritating.
Oh man I’ve got to tell you .. as a trainer, former breeder and groomer.. I love the food evolution of the training !! If you can’t take food away, so they know beyond a doubt that you are the source of all things food, especially in the guardian dogs.. you can’t call them off later if they don’t respect you now!! That’s for everyone that’s going to say something dopey about him taking her food .. not for him 😎🙄😃👍
My ex and I had a dog that was great with the horses, mules, goats, and peacocks but wouldnt leave guinnys and chickens alone. No matter how much I tried to correct her. She was stubborn lol. Its like once she got that taste her natural instincts kicked in. She lived to be 17.
Try a goose egg. ...or a small piece of one. Maybe titrate the dosage from a tiny sliver to a whole egg over the course of a week or two. ...or just ask your Doctor for advice. Choose the timing carefully. Have enough help or slow day on the farm. Probably get the puppy at least semi trained. **In case you get sick for a few hours. Or days? Maybe longer/more severe than expected?? Take a couple precautions. :-)** ...It'd be awesome if it works out eh? Fresh dragon eggs for breakfast!!! :-) God Bless!
You had to correct her because ignoring it she might've learnt otherwise, then you might've had to spend extra time on UN training that chase behaviour.
Give the command to sit before you feed her. My dogs would run back forth to each others bowls. I started giving them 20 minutes to eat and take the food away till next feeding,problem solved.
"apologies to my European and Canadian friends".... What you mean is "apologies to almost the entire world that uses Metric", except Liberia, Myanmar and the US. lol
There will always be someone upset about people training their dogs certain ways, no matter what. Toby Dog has turned into a great livestock guardian dog, so your way is efficient and works for you without causing any physical distress to the dog. There are TONS of different ways to train dogs, and for different purposes, one way might be great for one dog, but is really pointless and frustrating with another. I have helped raise and train loads of dogs, they're all unique, and they all learn in different ways, with varying degrees of success :) Keep at it!
Tons of different ways, but many of them can cause more problems especially around resource guarding. Taking food away and petting a dog while eating is a great way of creating resource guarding. There are better ways to train.
I think giving Abbey and Toby different coloured food bowls would be a good idea so they then know which one to eat out of as Abbey might think blue food bowls are ones to eat out of and might cause fights with Toby as he might think the same. Whereas if Abbey only ate out of a bright red one and toby wasn't allowed to eat out of it, they shouldn't fight over food
@UCJJn7kkSq9oUAn6YPqzuMOQ I think you meant dogs, which yes they are, colorblind doesn’t mean they do not see any colors though it just means they perceive colors differently then we do. They would still be able to tell the different bowls apart.
Good idea. But just want to point out, there was no fight for food between Toby and Abby. It was a simple correction from Toby, with not aggression behind it. Toby is such a good boy!
Toby and Abby seems to be doing well with eachother, there is no one better at setting boundaries with dogs than other dogs. Its good it see toby setting his boundary My brother had a big dog, very sweet and mild, but it didnt really understand how to play with certain smaller dogs, he didnt understand his size. They reached out and found and old small female dog that just reprimanded my brothers dog everytime he took it too far. It clearly set the boundary for how to play, it helped out a ton with playing with different breeds and sizes. Seniority among dogs are really important and females seems to have a certain way to growling that sends teenage puppies right back to when momma told them off
@@TheMrleo007 she will learn don't worry its like any other animal they need to be shocked once in a while to be reminded, one of my female geese is 2 years old and she tried bitting our fence again earlier today and she knows it hurts but still tried.
Dogs can have abusive behaviours though. I used to have 2 dogs, brothers, and one of them was extremely dominant and aggressive towards the other. We had to put the aggressive one down because they just got too aggressive and bit a few people as well as trying to attack other dogs. Now the other dog that was getting abused has a completely different personality. He used to be shy and relatively aggressive too, because of the abuse he suffered from the other dog, but now he's just a playful dog, he's never had any issues since the other one got put down.
I trained dobes in the 70s & 80s. You have roughly 3 seconds to correct the unwanted behavior, & the loud, deep, no was like the mom's growl. So it was a very good correction, swift & loud. But then move on 5 minutes later she's thinking of something different so don't scold when the lessons over & don't forget to praise desired behavior as it's done. Dogs live in the moment & don't dwell on yesterday or even ten minutes ago.
You definitely will have people with conflicting ideas of how you're raising your livestock guardian dog, but you did a great job with Toby so I believe you know what you are doing. Also I don't want to spoil anything but I'd be interested to know, after watching your Instagram, if any of the cattle had different temperatures depending on if it was a male or female.
If using your voice, consistently for good reason, for training an animal was a bad practise, how would you train them? Vocal communication, be it praise or scolding, is the first, best and most important tool for training. Then comes food, attention and other ways.
@@Sky-zk4el Well, you have to remember that a lot of people have completely untrained dogs. They can be pretty well behaved naturally but once they get older, if they start doing something you don't like, you might not know how to respond to it, and equally the dog wont know how to respond to you. And people with untrained dogs also might see verbal commands or shouting as a form of abuse, simply because they would never want or need to do that with their own dogs. There are a lot of factors.
Both Toby’s and yours correction of Abby is highly justified. She will learn in time. Learning that her food is a privilege is of even more importance. Though taking it is not something you ever want to do. Toby’s correction was harsher than yours cause he’s senior guardian dog. Supervisors are worse than manager or owners usually.
I don’t think Toby’s correction was harsh at all. He gave a vocal warning (growl), when she still approaches his food he corrected her appropriately. It might look harsh to us, but it’s just a dogs language. Toby is a great dog!
Taking the food is not an issue at all. I have hand fed my last three dogs and did remove food for a bit and stick my hand in the bowl. It is the way I taught them to back away and not guard their food. Wolves and wild dogs have a hierarchy on who eats first and the alphas teach the lower tiers to wait their turn. Taking the food is a mimic of that. Dogs need to learn food comes from humans and to not bite when hands are close to that bowl. This is most important when there are small children who may not know better than to reach into a dog bowl. Obviously children need to be taught to leave animals alone when they are eating but that’s a safety issue dog owners need to address.
Techinically I would say that correcting Abby like this is not ideal. You would prefer to train her better on a leash or from a distance and reward her calmness around the birds in a controlled environment so she knows what she is supposed to do more instead of just yelling at her when she makes a mistake.
After seeing your tik-tok i sent you an email suggesting calf coats we use here in the UK - i think it would be really good for the new arrivals, especially if you end up with a runt calf anytime soon! I know the highlands are sturdier than most but my uncle had some actually in Scotland and some newborns have sparse pelt - there's more than one family story about cows living their first day in a warm kitchen. Your temperatures are lower than here so the metallic lined calf coats that reflect heat back in would be really handy! They may look warm on a thermal camera but it could be because they're using up energy to stay warm - vital energy in those first few days.
Hi from Minnesota, your comment was quite interesting to me, as I’ve never heard of coats being used on anything other than horses. We don’t really calve in the winter too often or even spring, more of an early summer thing. But it’s an interesting thought. Plenty of animals die in the winter, they don’t have to just be young ones. On -40 degree days, (same in Celsius as in Fahrenheit) any animals that don’t make it to warmth on time are pretty much goners, lots of dogs unfortunately end up that way, running off and getting lost before night. Of course granted, more often they are killed by predators, than by the cold, since they can feel the cold weather coming. Although it gets substantially colder here in Minnesota than in Vermont where Morgan lives, I’m sure the cold still claims a fair amount of animals out there. Maybe some coats would help.
I absolutely read the first line as calf _G_oats, and was very interested how the goats would help keep calf’s warm. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined. ; )
@@nssoutdoors1869 we don't have as harsh winters as you do - partly why we can calve early, it's only really the early ones/runts that need it but some farmers put them on all the newborns for a few days just to make them comfortable. Depends on the breed a lot. Some people use simple plastic sheets with a couple straps just to keep the wind and water off, others put a blanket underneath that, especially on shorter pelts (need to be careful the blanket doesn't get damp or it causes more problems than it solves). The best ones now have that survival blanket inner that just reflects the animals heat back in, really simple and hard-wearing but makes a big difference.
She is well raised in the breeder she was born. She is very relaxed even when in cat scratch strike. Very curious but always in sitting position which is very polite and a sign of following authority.
Abby accepted Toby's reprimand as well as yours without taking it personally. A puppy is corrected by senior members of the pack and finding their place in the pack is a part of being a canine.
I have to say, as a dog trainer, I was so pleased with a lot of things you did with Toby that from this video it seems you're missing with Abby. Not that I agreed with everything you did but for the most part, if it's not broke don't fix it. It seemed like you kept Toby on leash and supervised for a long time, managing him so he was more likely to be successful. If you'd done that with Abby in this video she wouldn't have had the chance to chase the chickens or investigate the coop. Set Abby up to be successful and reward the things she does that you like. That should minimize the number of corrections you need to use. Also I do not recommend taking a dog's food away from them while they are eating. That is an old practice that can cause more harm than good. A better practice to prevent resource guarding from humans is to approach a dog who is eating and drop extra yummy things in or near their bowl so they associate an approaching human with good things not bad things (food being removed). I love talking about the science of training if you ever want to talk more! Last thing, I'd love a video on eating a goose egg to hear what it's like but it doesn't have to be you eating it if you're concerned about potential allergies.
Another dog trainer and I will second all of this. Set Abby up for success by managing her freedom around the birds. Also yes to giving extra yummy things when approaching her eating!
Another trainer here and I third this!! Have her on a leash so you can guide her decisions. Hand feeding without a bowl to guard is also a good option, it can also build more trust.
Having that thermal camera would allow you to scope out the woods when Toby is barking at something. There have been many instances where you've looked into the night with light and seen nothing.
Abbys so anxious it makes me anxious. I look forward to when she feels more secure in her new home. I feel your correction was fine and justified. She's a puppy but big puppys need to be corrected early before it becomes a bad habit when they are like 100 pounds. I enjoy watching your life struggles and content. Thanks for sharing your life and adventures!
Reprimanding a dog while in the act is the exact right time to do it. Any later, the dog will be confused. While no one wants to yell, you also have to get their attention when you're outside and the dog is running away. A stern voice tone is preferable, you must get their attention first. Hence, sometimes you have no choice but to yell. As for the Toby's snarl, that's natural. Toby is showing who's first in the pecking order. No where better to display it than during feeding time. As long as Morgan continues to train food aggression out of his dogs (which he is doing), everything will be fine.
That took me aback seeing Toby snarl at Abby like that, but he didn't go too far, just enough for her to learn. They're going to settle in fine together. I agree with another commenter who suggested different colored food bowls for each dog. Since Toby's is blue, maybe a yellow one for Abby. Most dogs only see in shades of gray, brown, blue and yellow. I dunno about the goose egg experiment; seems like the risk to you outweighs any potential benefit. In other news, looks like you'll be at 500k by the end of the week! Well deserved 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yep, in the dog world, that is discipline. That is a very important lesson for her, because she learns that for certain actions, there are consequences and whether those will be tolerated or not. This is not ‘being mean,’ like many people might think; this is the real world that dogs live in and is very important for Abby to learn. She has no doubt been taught this way by her parents, which is why it is very smart that she stayed with them for longer, rather than going to her new home at two months, like some breeders do. She learns very important socialization, manners and social norms from older dogs and rules about how things run on Morgan’s farm. You will see, in the coming months, how she will look to Toby for guidance in what to do. He’s going to be a great teacher, alongside Morgan!
So happy to see subs going up now he’s working full time on farm and able to post more content I’m all for it it’s my afternoon chill time for a few min
@@woahblackbettybamalam No? I've never seen dogs do that, and I've seen a lot. It's rare. If done, then it's a severe warning when other means have been tried and failed.
Both you and Toby did great jobs setting boundaries for Abby. I’ve seen some comments state that only positive reinforcement is good, and while I believe physical punishment is almost never justify, verbal and body language negative cues are how animals also indicate boundaries. Like, I have heavily trained my house cat, and he is able to understand rules because of this, to the point where he will act guilty after breaking a rule even before I discover what he has done. Verbal reprimands are great negative forms for training, and I think yelling like you did was entirely appropriate. Yelling constantly would be bad, but the fact that you usually talk calmly and softly to Abby and the other animals makes it more significant to the animals when you do yell, as it tells them that this is very serious. While I also don’t yell much, i have in important moments, like when my cat almost walked on a hot stovetop. People often infantilize animals as if they as dumb as rocks, but animals understand abstract concepts like rules and hierarch. So I think the respectful and considerate manner in which you train animals is best, as it acknowledges the intelligence and ability of your animals.
Agree. The world is not all positive reinforcement. The day may come where Morgan needs to call Abby away from something potentially dangerous and he needs to make sure she will listen to his command not to touch/chase it and return to him straight away. This is one of the realities of living on a farm, especially.
Balanced dog training is 100% the way to go. Seen so many handler dependent, anxious dogs thrown into the real world trained with positive only. It’s so sad and it must be so confusing to never be told what you’re doing wrong. Take a look at Zak George’s dog for example. She’s a very nervy, poorly behaved dog.
