[TF2] The Versus Saxton Hale Tier List 

Adding time stamps for you so you don’t have to do it yourself. 0:00: intro 2:27: pyro 5:08: demo 6:28 bunny 8:11: heavy 10:19: spy 13:06: headless horseman 15:33: scout 17:57: lucksman 19:48: demo knight 21:23: soldier 23:13: medic 25:18: saxton hale and cbs 26:48: engineer 30:28: sniper 32:17 vagineer 33:01 end

The original creators of VSH here, want to share some facts: 1)Amplifier was added deliberately as a way to encourage people to group together, because when people are scattered all over the place, the Boss pretty much always wins. At least it was the case back in 2011. 2)Since the Amplifier was pretty much everywhere, the damage curve was designed with the assumption of having the AMP. Same with the Taunt Crits and the Goomba Stomp. 3)There was a plugin that allowed people to respawn, having the shared pool of lives across the team. Each player had their own respawn cooldown that increased with each death, preventing one person from eating the entire life pool. For some reason nobody used or maintained it. Personally, having to spectate the match if you've died early on was a huge issue of this gamemode in my eyes. 4)There was a plugin that added a giant explosive barrel for the Demoman in place of a sticky launcher - it had the rage meter you have to fill by dealing damage and a 5 second fuse and dealt like 2000 damage in a decent radius. Lost to time, I guess. 5)HHH Jr was made in less than a day for the Halloween event, which resulted in rather poor game design. 6)Vagineer was originally made for the April 1st Update and was the first ever boss besides Saxton Hale. Btw, his rage range is lower (at least it used to be when I was around), with the intention to make him more specialized on taking down sentries and scouts, rather than a group of players like Saxton can. 7)Originally, the Boss used to one-shot everything but ubered players. While it's makes sense lorewise, removing this opened much more possibilities. Like, not making the overheal completely useless. 8)Pyro used to have x2 damage than normal. For some reason it didn't stick. Crits were x2 too.

Okay, I legit seen myself, in a clip and started to laugh because I was standing there shooting my pistol at the boss as a engie.

I think it's funny when I play as spy in this gamemode, backstab the boss once, then die instantly.

also a weapon I find underused for sniper, the Bazaar Bargain. You can get heads for the quicker charge time on headshots, so you can match the Sydney Sleeper's charge time with only 3 headshots

So underrated RU-vidrs are making underrated tier lists for underrated modes now huh?

I feel like this is gonna get more popular once VSH finally works. You just watch.

24:18 *saving teammates*

As a boss, you can escape the huntsman's taunt by doing taunts like conga, forcing the huntsman sniper to do the conga or just dance away from his range.

Pretty sure medic is S, especially when each crossbow shot deals 400 damage and he somehow keeps his uber when his medigun isn't out and ubersaw maxes out his uber instantly

One funny thing about me and TF2 is that, i have more than 1000 hours in this game but im wost than an gibus player when im playing any normal game mode. Almost 90% of the time i spent with this game was in custom servers/games mod. I fucking love it.

Great video! I was going to make one of these for VSH eventually, but seeing as someone beat me to the punch, I do want to add some weigh in: First of all, VSH is a hard mode to talk about since there are so many different versions with minor differences between them. For instance, I've played on servers that give Pyro a super flare jump, which significantly affects his mobility. I feel like there's a lot of minor differences to talk about though so I can understand keeping things brief. With that in mind, I'd argue that Pyro in most of his incarnations is far from F. If you pair him with an Engineer, every spot becomes a jump spot since you can deny Hale access to the Engineer via airblast. If you have a good Pyro who knows not to spam airblast, I could see him being at least C for the potential support he could provide. HHH also has a longer melee range than the rest of the Hales since he uses the Headtaker as his base weapon. This is extremely good for winning matchups like Demoknight since you have even range, but it also gives you a ton of leniency when fighting fast classes like Scout and Soldier. I've alao personally never seen a server that doesn't have the wall climb mechanic, and with practice I find it to be almost as versatile as a super jump. HHH also excels at destroying cheesy maps since he can instantly deny Engineers and Demos the ability to camp. Engineers will build a dispenser and sentry first if they're playing right, so you have a bit of time to attack them before they can have a teleporter set up. Additionally, using a teletrap means that Engineers can't have an escape teleporter set up, so it's a lot easier to brute force your way into nests. I'd consider him around B, though he does take practice and not many like to play without a super jump so I don't see many people pick him. Other than that, great video, and I hope that these community server tier lists continue to pop up!

Alone Heavy can't do much against bosses, however with Engis amplifier, Pyros pushes and Medic ubers heavy easily becomes MVP. Heavy is truly the definition of teamwork

There is 1 class you missed, the "That one dude that is using lmao box on vs saxton hale" class.

*[Hybrid knight]:* “Am I a joke to you?” Seriously, unless things have changed since I last played, equipping a shield but keeping your grenade launcher means unlimited crits for your pills. The shield means you can dash or trimp away, and an eyelander (or reskin) means getting heads for bonus health and speed. I pretty much exclusively played hybrid knight back in the day, always placing in the top three damage dealers. This subclass easily belongs in A-tier.

This is the tier list I’ve been waiting for

You should've mentioned that the Pyro can push the hale into map hazards, sometimes into certain doom. HHH Jr. can climb the Skyhigh building you were talking about by standing a bit further from the roof. The Remains of the King sentry strat you mentioned can be stopped by using weighdown to push against the sentry's knockback.

I love these 1 looped 3 times spy clip

Hybrid-knight is the strongest demo. By using tide turner, the eyelander and the primary of your choice, you can have huge damage crit nades from the shield and enough risk to charge into hale and get a swing to build up the 4 heads. With enough practice, you will consistently achieve top damage without dying.

Ouch, when did HHH Jr. get nerfed? I remember playing VSH a long while back and that stun on teleport was NOT a thing, which made the teleport downright terrifying. It often made fighting HHH Jr. a race against time, as enough teleports would simply whittle down the red team to nothing.

Just yesterday I played VSH Nucleus and a group of Pyros really bullied Saxton, having the team deal significant amount of damage.

The Offical VSH. Differences. There are no AMP's or crits after taunting (i think). Uber works the same. Boss (Saxton Hale) Saxton's been going to the gym, or something. But he's got some new attacks, he has the Mantread's on passively. He can also charge up a lunging punch, able fly across the map by sheer strength. He also has a devestating Left hook, able to clean anyone's clock. Also he can ground pound, able to inflcit damage and fling people away. An improtant thing is that there is no rage mechanic, but saxton is basically immue to knockback outside of weapons that solely inflict it. Also, no weapon is blacklisted, but scout only has two jumps, even with the Atomizer.

This video just got a whole lot more relevant. Also I was just watching this right before the update was dropped

Uuuuuuuuhhhhhh. You might wanna make a redo for this. Because it's an actual game mode in TF2 now

Unironically, pyro is the guy who fought against sax all alone in meet the amazing pyro. he did not win, he needed soldiers help. and then sax came back to life.

Playing with you was so fun man, hope you're enjoying your "American Cuisine"!

One saving grace I will say for pyro is that on maps with pools of water, a pyro with airblast can force the Hale or whoever to stay in the water and swim so they don't have nearly as much mobility. I've done it a few times before and it can completely stall the boss' progress for as long as you can keep them in.

Pyro is the only class who can still defend himself when being stunned by using "execution" taunt.

15:33 One thing I wanna add alongside for Scout. The Boston basher/ Three Rune Blade can be used to build up Uber with your medics. (It’s a trick most pros use in usual TF2 but it can also be applied here in VSH) It can also be used to explore and get into places Hale either A: needs to super jump or rage in order to stop the scout from doing damage.

Never thought there would be a meta for this Gamemode And yet here we are

I'd love to see an updated list for the current official vsh

The only reason I don’t want to play vsh with ransoms, is because if you can’t respawn, you’ll spend most of your time dead, and it isn’t fun when you are just dead for basically forever

We need vsh official version tier list

I remember one time I was playing VSH and I was the Easter Bunny. When I used my special, it glitched and it just gave me the normal Grenade Launcher to use as much as I like... There was no survivors.

There was a new boss added to the first map you played in, and he looks really good, its basically a robot Saxton hale whos special turns him into a sentry buster.i don't know if he is only in that server, but he is there lol

I believe that all classes are able to express themselves in different ways. There are maps where there are many or few first-aid kits and ammo. Classes that can quickly escape by spending HP will feel great on the map with a large number of first-aid kits, but with a small number of them, they will not be able to easily escape

boy this really applies to the official one.

if the bfb isnt blacklisted, use it. its extremely helpful because its easy to get boost with the cleaver and wrap assasin, and losing boost is really hard because youll be one shotted anyway, and double jumping doesnt matter because you can just get the boost again easily

I almost went on a defense on Pyro but then I realized this is about the Old VSH.

I remember playing this game mode years ago. Combine that with the fact that I recognize almost every track used as background music in the video, and wow... what a nostalgia trip. Thanks for making this video.

He should make a new tier for the official VSH gamemode

on a server i was on the battalion's backup summons dead players as bat scouts, its funny but quite useless

Little did he know...

this aged really well

This needs an update now

you forgot to mention that goomba stomping is very effective, so playing scout with the force a nature is really fun, trying to get altitude on the boss and then dropping down on him is always fun, especially if you juke them as well. best loadout would be force a nature, bonk (if not black listed, if it is use the winger) and the atomizer

I can't believe it took me this many years to realize Saxton's chest hair is shaped like Australia.

I've recently been getting into VSH, and this is a really good vid! Thanks!

"On top of that, your airblast can greatly annoy your teammates" Is that not why you play Pyro..?

Pretty cool to see someone making such deep content for a game I used to call my bread and butter. This vid really reminds me of the glory days of spending all my hours on saxton hale trying to do as much damage as possible, great vid overall.

I absolutely love that you used that LoZ music for the bunny boss. I'm so glad people remember that weird bunny form link got, easily my favorite zelda game

Long have I waited for this tier list.

I love this! I'm so glad that this game mode is getting so much more attention.

2 years later and VSH has become an official part of TF2

This video is excellent, also, the music choices are really good

The most fun I've had in TF2 was in VSH. Like seven to ten years ago, a Steam group/forum called OzFur ran a server that did interesting things with boss concepts and balancing that nothing I've seen since has even come close to matching. I miss it so I'm gonna gush about it. Bosses had passive effects and you could select modifiers to change how the game was played. There was sudden death if the rounds dragged on for too long. Last man standing was forced pyro so you didn't have to worry about circlejerking with a scout, spy or soldier. Bosses had interesting rages which could be used at 100% or 200% for increased effect. Saxton Hale passively had 50% knockback resistance and could rage to fear anyone nearby, gain invulnerability, and kill anyone that touched him for a while. Christian Brutal Sniper did not take % HP damage from backstabs, always killed anyone they hit unless uber'd, and could rage to force everyone to charge at him. Captain Falcon didn't lose rage unless he killed someone with it, and could perform a falcon punch to dash forward, killing anyone in a line that wasn't uber'd (stunning them instead). Gabe Newell prevented Medic from doing a thing they could do by spending 100% uber to summon a dead player as a vampire Heavy since he "banned" any player killed, and could rage to cause everyone on the enemy team to enter Valve Time, experiencing massive input delay. DC's Joker didn't kill enemies, but turned them into vampires on hit which had friendly fire enabled, lost health slowly and were forced to melee teammates that got too close to them, and could rage to swap the position of everyone on the map while bringing in intense visibility restricting darkness and inducing a temporary vampire state in addition to allowing him to kill. The Guardian turned the match into hide and seek on round start, complete with vision restricting darkness. Everyone was forced Demoman and all forms of communication were disabled. You could only hide and wait out the round to win. Shame the whole thing fell apart because of drama and the owner deciding to just pack it in. They didn't keep the server files either so it's just gone forever.

Man this footage is super nostalgic, used to play this mode and these maps all the time. Also I remember Pyro used to be pretty good due to pre-nerf reserve shooter critting the hale when they were in the air at all, even when they were jumping.

I have never even heard of this gamemode. Guess I have something new to try.

Love playing VSH and FF2, always have trouble finding places to play it though, not sure why. Great video!

holy shit this dude used advance wars music, i loved the original and playing against sturm and eagle. you deserved a follow for this and your mega valid chart

Time to re do this lol

I remember a long time ago, there was a server that would automatically switch the last member of the RED team to a Pyro (fully healed and ammo restocked) because they thought Pyro was actually the _best_ match for VSH. Granted that was a while ago, there may have been lots of balance patches since then

Hey, literally my favorite tf2 youtuber!! Let’s watch this baby!

mark my words i will find poopy joe one of these days

Okay but hear me out, dragons fury and mvm buffed gas passer

29:23 does this man play without quickswitch?

I was not begged out of my subscription good job

Damn this video was pure nostalgia the first thing i did in TF2 5years ago was playing this mode i remember one server that had a sh*t ton of modded characters and it was awesome great video

Press F to pay respects to pyro

Will be expecting more Tier lists soon, this is a threat.

Love your vids, bro, keep it up

Thank you for getting me into this awesome game mode.

they made the pyro bad for this game mode and adding an extra ubersecond for the vagineer with airblast if it removed a second then pyro could be ranked a little higher

i really love playing medic because i get to save a lot of people's asses when the boss rages, also I play FF2 (freak fortress 2) and medic receives 20% uber for every crossbow hit on the boss, which is pretty insane edit: 2 years later, the server i play on has removed all these things for medic sadly :( but hey there's goomba stomping now! edit 2: actually nvm it was bugged and so medic gets 20% again! but no crits so my dopamine receptors are lacking

I appreciate the flags for the songs. I wish more creators did this.

Great video I was actually in the first vsh server showed fun playing with ya

i have been playing VSH since 2014 and it's legit the only game mode i play. Although i don't agree with everything you say in this video, i still really appreciate that a proper in-depth analysis has been made on this game mode.

Pyro has one use case air-blasting the boss away from medics

30:54 Spotted the sniper. He's hiding behind several trees under the cracked rock face.

I love the transition

Remake the video sometime?

We need a follow up for the official version

1. I know I’m late 2. The way you explained your placement of classes in a tier list is a satisfying way that, in some way, should work with every other tier list video out there.

nice vid man, i like vs saxton hale so this was cool

you should probably make an updated version of this

You didn't mention Gun Spy's potential. Deals huge damage, greater than most mercenaries and has a high survivability. The main weapon in this mode is not a knife, but a revolver that always has a mini-crits, which provides incredibly high damage from all ranges. You use the knife as a last resort or when you are sure that you can do backstab. The main feature is that you shoot the revolver all the time, and when the boss wants to kill you, you either try to trickstab him (sometimes it worth it), or you jump out on his damage ,being invisible ,by jumping right before he will hit you If you combine this with a YER it gives a reduced decloak sound volume. Boss won't be able to track you down and kill you. If you die a lot because you don't have time to charge up your watch, you can play Big Earner, which gives you speed boost and charges your watch just for hitting Boss. L'Etranger removes a VERY much damage Spy could do, so not. The Ambassador deals HUGE damage, but takes away the ability to spam the Boss, and if you don't have good aiming, you're likely to miss most of your shots. But I think you can try it. As a result, Spy is able to deal more damage than Demoknight, not as fast as he does, but is able to double the damage of Demoknight for an entire round as he is just less of a Glass Cannon. (Spy can backstab, but don't forget he has a good gun) Sorry for bad english

Damn good song list 👏

Ive been waiting for this one

I expected you to mention the Dragon's fury ): Also the Thermal Thruster is okay-ish to escape, this due to (most) servers allowing you to launch again mid air

Hi there! 2500 hours on Vsh player here. Just wanted to share my thoughts on some of the classes potential and bosses aspects. *The Easter Bunny* might at first seem the worst boss, but actually it's really good against more experienced players. You see, all of the bosses have the same jump height. Players get used to this, and position them selfs in places the bosses can't reach them. And here's where the Bunny shine's because players sometimes forget about the higher jump or just underestimate how high he can actually jump, you can often catch overconfident players thinking they're safe. Also the crit eggs which fall after killing a player is also pretty useful against classes that need to be hit more than once. Dead ringer is a great example, since the spy using it simply cannot survive a crit mele hit from the boss even with overheal. The same goes for overhealed Heavies, medics exc. *The horseless headless headtaker Jr.* Actually has a small knockback resistance. It's something few people know about, but shooting him with for example the rocket launcher doesn't make him go flying as far as the other bosses. *Pyro* is definitely the worst class for Vsh. Airblasting at the wrong time can be devastating for your team. He requires a lot of skill and game sense to be useful, since airblasting at the right time might save your team from an lethal rage. It's obviously better for 5 people to survive the rage and to give the boss about 30% of it back instead of just watching your team die. Also the backscratcher is very useful, since the medic can build Uber very quickly. *Scout* .I'm kinda disappointed you didn't mention the babyfaces blaster and crit-o-cola combo. It's the most powerful combo for scout. Dealing damage to your self makes the babyfaces blaster fire far quicker than before. Using the the crit-o-cola with that makes scout deal insane amounts of damage in just seconds. Probably the best choice for scouts on Vsh. Also the Boston basher is really good to help with the blaster and cola combo, since you can damage your self for that extra firing speed very quickly. Also medics can build Uber quicker similarly to the backscratcher. *The huntsman sniper* is really good. But did you know you can completly destroy a taunt killing huntsman by using the conga or any other dance taunt? It will stop the sniper from taunt killing the boss and make him dance. It's really funny sometimes to see the snipers reaction :D

The tf2 tier list we didn't ask for, but the one we needed the most.

Thanks for introducing this mod for me gonna try it befor finishing the vid😂

The Easter bunny in an enclosed room.... his rage would be quite deadly since the stun from the rage makes it difficult to escape

vsh got added into tf2 bro no waying

I never realized how popular A HAT IN TIME was until i started hearing its themes play in people videoes. Its so iconic and nostalgic. Makes me wanna play it again

The server that you were playing on in the beginning in one that I play quite frequently. The classes I usually see getting top damage on that server are soldier, spy, sniper and demo. Sometimes pyro with the gas passer can do a lot, but it can be as risky as playing spy to pull off. Medic on that server is OP because he can revive everyone once per game. The server's name is BlackWonder and it runs the map Reservoir 24/7.

actually phlog pyro is quite effective at doing damage. I still wouldn't use pyro tho lol

What about hybrid demo? If you manage to land 4 hits in with the eyelander, you'll be able survive 1 hit and move fast, not to mention you'll still have your primary, which, if you can aim, can make you immortal to an extent thanks to the knockback it provides oh and you also have a shield that lets you tank a hit if you get hit without having 4 heads

I dont even play VS Hale... or really tf2 in general and yet I'm still watching this 34 minute video

Yo i Top second most damage at 30:26 :D Also nice Video man. Also Robo saxtron is S+ tier