Streamed August 03, 2017 on / sajam In the first episode of "That's My Jam", Sajam enlightens us to the fact that Capcom players have always been whiners, deal with it.
They want those aspects in street fighter. Of course they would complain about it being absent in the new street fighter. My opinion of SFV is compared to other street fighter games it’s lackluster. I don’t think I should be shamed for having that opinion. I play tekken, samsho, soul caliber and I like those games but I’d like for street fighter to also be something I like, because I love all the old ones. I feel as if dudes like sajam and max just want everyone to like every fighting game and that’s an unrealistic expectation. That mindset is just as bad as everyone shitting on everything.
@@Manlypitts They don't want people to 'like' every fighting game. They want people to stop mindlessly bitching and crying about things that there are solutions for. If you don't like the gameplay of a new Street Fighter, play the older ones. They're addressing the toxic elitist 'If you don't play this game you aren't a real FG player" or "If you aren't good at this one game then you're trash at all fighting games'. You can not like a game, that's perfectly fine. But don't shit on people for liking or not liking certain games. Plus there are people who only want to play a single their entire lives until the the heat death of the universe. That's what they're talking about, the elitist, cult like behavior of some FG players. People who just talk shit about everything and ruin the experience for everyone else
@@OdelyxRa this. It literally boils down to them wanting people to stop being shitty about other people's hobbies for no reason. This bullshit tribalism doesnt do anything except drive a wedge between communities who should be celebrating each other.
Man, I swore I was taking crazy pills. I remember the Ultra talk and shit, but everywhere I go all I hear is that everyone loves that game. The revisionist shit is nutty
Loads of people _did_ love SF4. Especially Ultra. There was definitely criticism, but it's not even comparable to what SFV gets now. It's just as revisionist to try and imply that everybody hated it.
I think when SF4 is taken away and you don't like SFV, it's really easy to think back "I didn't know how well I had it" and you begin to accept certain flaws for SF4. If we all went back to playing SF4 we would harp on those flaws again, of course. It's just the nature of humans
towards the end of sf4 every stream was residentsleeper sleep fighter 4, focus attack is broken and ruined the game, elena is ss tier 10-0 in every matchup, can't wait for sf5
Funny you say that, cause it happens with CVS2. CVS2 comes on stream "Oh my god, this game was so SICK, so HYPE. Man I miss this game." Yet when it was out, all they moaned about was Sagat, Morrigan's sprites, the crappy backgrounds, timeouts, long tournaments. Now it's become the FGC's darling somehow. Hah.
ownagemunky That's not what I remember. I watched almost every event in 2015 and the chat were pretty much always hype, even at smaller events. Even at the King of New York, which was the last SF4-centric tournament in America (i.e. right before the release of SFV), the chat were still hype. The main place that I remember seeing a lot of anti-SF4 sentiment was Eventscrubs. Go figure.
The negativity usually starts off with someone ranting with "When XX game is going to come out it's going to ABSOLUTELY DESTORY SFV/MVC:I/CAPCOM". Then the game comes out, get's lots and lots of views for the first 2-3 weeks all the while those people are going to SFV streams typing "SFV is dead Lul". Then numbers decline or even out and see that SFV numbers have stayed the same and those people get even more angry it hasn't completely died at that point and proceed to then do the same thing about the next new game that comes out or just continuously shit on all Capcoms DLC. That's not to say the SF community isn't without fault always whining about dropping SFV and yet they end up still playing it. We all know how bad the launch was for this game and the first year for was, but it just gets to a point of how bad can one hate a game and why games can't co-exist? I honestly see this with Tekken players [Not Top] in general shitting on any game that's not Tekken, and any criticism of Tekken will only result in a bunch of online insults lol. Then we have the whole FGC vs. Smash stupidity still going on which is a whole bunch of other BS in itself but I guess my main point is it's okay to dislike a game if it's just not your thing, but is it really worth telling everyone and going to streams or company accounts ect. just to let everyone know you hate it until the end of time? This goes for everyone
Fan comes from the word fanatic... I play Tekken serious, but watch & play casual SF, KOF, KI, VF. No hate from me for other fighting games. I'm a fan of fighting games.
i feel this struggle super hard being a DOA and VF player. people always say DOA is a joke and too easy, then say VF is too hard for no reason and is dead. I still dont know how i supposedly play both the easiest and hardest fighting games, but i just want to share them with people without getting perpetually shit on by EVERY OTHER community in the FGC
People just need to enjoy what they enjoy. A good community can make a mediocre game fantastic but a terrible community can shred a fantastic game. We gotta raise all fighting game communities up and share the mutual love for them.
@@charlesgray6385 exactly. Not everyone has the same feelings for games. Just let them play their game and have fun. I recently got into doa and while the community is not as big, it what drives the game forward with patches, updates etc. Most of the time its people acting like elitist.
I feel this situation is very similar to that of MMOs. Everyone simply wants their game to be popular in a niche genre. But instead of advertising their games they shit on the competition.
Stefan I do. But i just asking if there is other reason besides the animation and mechanics. Kinda curious since i never played any NRS games. The only thing i know about NRS games (especially Injustice) that is bad or just horrible is that basicly its Projectile : The Game.
People just let others decide what they like/hate for them. They bandwagon the fuck out of things and don't think for themselves. So many people are like, "Street Fighter V is the worst, what a fucking awful game, don't play it," to new players, but then they turn around and play it anyway. I've just stopped listening to other people's opinions on these things. I played Injustice (and other NRS titles to a lesser extent) - I hated the controls and gameplay, loved the story mode and character designs. I mostly play GG, but it's hard to find people to play, so I end up playing lots of SFV, but I would never hate on other games. Different strokes for different folks, man.
I enjoy a lot of fighting games (starting paying attention to the scene in 2010 with SF4, moved on to SFxT briefly, then Marvel 3, played Injustice for a bit, and then sorta faded off until INJ2 came out). I don't really have the passion that I used to have for the genre I had back in college when I felt like I had the time to practice and get better all the time. I don't really have that anymore, but I still enjoy the games as a spectator. I must have just been lucky in my local community, but I avoided a lot of the negativity of Street Fighter players being unwilling to try other games. It sucks that this kind of attitude has become pervasive in that community. Could also be a result of Capcom IN GENERAL not giving people what they want, even outside of fighting games, and that frustration leading to lashing out in other places. But it's a shame. My favorite time as a fighting game player EVER was moving to Aquaman in Injustice and realizing how BUSTED and FUN the character was for me, having a completely different and unique experience that I couldn't have in SFIV. I wish other people could open their minds to that.
This is true. FGC negativity is just disgusting. What i see lately with the "Capcom needs to make SF VI asap" comment is another repeat with SF III and SF IV. Back then a lot of people hated SF III because there's only 4 classic characters and parry system makes zoning useless + Chun / Yun / Makoto are broken and dominating the scenes. People asked Capcom for a new SF and when SF IV came out - after the series been hiatus for 8 frickin years - people hated it too and complaint Capcom needs to fix this and that in SF V. Capcom listen to the complaint and made SF V exactly like the people request and boom! people hated SF V. Just watch, it will be the same bitching again when SF VI released. And for me, SF was my 1st fighting games but i never blocked myself from other fighting games. Which is why i played a lot of titles either 2D or 3D like KoF, Art of Fighting, Fatal Fury, SamSho, The Last Blade, Power Stone, Darkstalkers, Rival Schools, Battle Arena Toshinden, Soul Edge / Calibur, Tekken, VF, GG, BlazBlue, MK, Pocket Fighter, etc.
You hit the nail on the dot there, SFV did a lot of things better than IV, it's true, the roster is the best in any street fighter game, and the OST is godlike. We need more people like you in these toxic times of such a toxic community.
@@MrMonsterKen You make me blushing with your praise. But looking back at my 1 year post, this year FGC's reaching to a new level of toxicity. It's just crazy >.
@@thepuppetmaster9284 No worries, just doing what I can to touch on what needs to be touched on that nobody will. This year has been just revolting and now that evo is completely cancelled because that asshole Joey went out the deep end, i'm really not surprised at all, the FGC is trash and no amount of Evo's can save it. I cannot literally have one day without getting roasted where I enjoy playing a game that a majority of people despise and label me as a punk with no taste, unbelieveable.
The negativity has always been around, and the biggest franchise also feels the brunt. I remember people hating on all the SFIIIs, including 3S. I remember people hating on every edition of SFIV, acting like it's the death of SF as we know it. And with SFV, some of the hate is deserved, because it wasn't a quality product for some time, but it's slowly getting there. And it's sad because I like SFV at its core, and I hated SFIV. I was the loser playing BlazBlue while everyone was playing SFIV. Now I'm the only person in my immediate friend group who still plays SF at all. But what I also remember is the hate going the other way. The blind SF zealotry. People who would hate on everything BUT SF. People who wouldn't give anything a try, simply because it wasn't SF. It's so funny to see how things have changed, with other game series outpacing SF in terms of quality. So I can resonate with what Sajam is saying. I'd go to my local scene and there's literally no one playing GGXrd. If Jammerz wasn't around, good luck trying to get SFxT setup. And unless you were there to play DDR, you better be playing SFIV or else you wasted your trip. Remember 'When's Mahvel'? When people ACTUALLY wanted MVC more than whatever was on stream? So it's a multi-faceted issue. People hate on SF, deserved or not, and people hate on everything but SF, deserved or not. The one thing that has changed is the narrative; the prestige SF once has is different, and my friends and casual players who normally would hold SF in high regard, don't. Difference is, they didn't move on to other fighters, they just moved on. And that's another thing; some people aren't fighting game fans, they're SF fans. And that possibly feeds the zealotry and hatred on both sides too. Lots of think about.
I've never understood the fanboy mindset, but I've been a multigamer for the longest time now. Probably ever since I started gaming. SF and MK were my first fighters as a child but even when I really got into gaming in my teens it was always spread out. It just seems so dull to restrict yourself to one game or one franchise. This happens all the time with people. I bought the first Blazblue literally on a whim after seeing it on Justin.tv back in the day. It was completely unique to my Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter brain at the time. And I'm glad I did. Because it opened my mind to that niche side of fighting games here in the US and showed me how different this genre could be played. I would imagine some people are just simple, they want their favorite characters in their favorite style of fighting game and if you take any of those ingredients away their brain just recoils in disgust at the thought. And for those people there's not much you can do for them other than bribe or force them to try your game until it clicks that all games have their merits. It's funny actually, with Capcom at it's lowest ever in terms of fighting games these fanboys are finally starting to feel forced to try other stuff, so there's probably been a lot more people opening their minds to other games.
Tre Young kof14 is the truth! Love that game with a passion. Most American fgc players don't play it. Many told me it's too hard for them. I mainly find matches from South America, Canada, ECT. I've played against 2 fellow Americans in kof14.
Basic Elitism experience, the problem in the case of the FGC is that its very obvious who's the best and why they're better and people tend to argue about who's the best amongst a bunch of comparitively terrible players. Elitism is something that works as a means of defining hierarchy where there is none; so old school Multiplayer before E-Sports basically which did originally include fighting games; but moreso stuff like Starcraft where you could have a scene of 10k people playing a specific custom map at a high level and elitism plus results was a good way to determine who was the best. But since the dawn of E-Sports elitism is just stupid trash where terrible petty players argue with other terrible petty players about who is less terrible.
Nice video Sajam. I'm assuming you did this live on your stream, would be cool if you could somehow upload the chat too for the RU-vid version. On topic though, Killer Instinct was my gate-way drug to other fighting games. I loved the community and the atmosphere so much I couldn't get enough. Today I love watching/playing KI,SFV, INjustice, Guilty Gear etc.
Hey there, thanks for the entertaining content. You made the example about being frustrated with one game and moving to greener pastures. Do you think people that complain about their game might be in that same state of mind, but do not have the motivation to switch because they are already deeply invested in their main game? I'm just wondering if this kind of attitude might stem from the highly competitive nature of fighting games. From what I have got so far, the fundamentals apply to all games across the genre, but specific mechanics and matchups knowledge seem really important skills at high level. I feel like it might sound easier for some people to dismiss another game rather than switch and learn the ropes again by getting your ass kicked for a while, particularly in a scene in which status seems to matter to some. The fact that people generally switch when a new game comes out might also be a hint. I am first and foremost a video game fanatic, and have been introduced to the scene by a more experienced friend. Have been watching stuff literally night and day for the past year or so, and it has been a lot of fun to get to know all the personalities invested in this scene. Playing SFV only at the moment; I am a total bronze scrub, but I have been able to beat people jumping forward and swiping all the time 4 out of 5 recently. It took me 60+ hours to get there, and countless hours of videos and tutorials. I've been feeling like switching recently though, but the idea of starting all over is daunting. I do realise I am trying to perceive the situation from a beginner point of view, but I can't even imagine how difficult it might be for someone that has invested 1k+ hours (and emotions) to switch game. Thanks again for the content, and keep up the good work and attitude.
1k hours invested in SFIV, they dont have to switch to SFV. They can keep on investing time into a game they love and let those that enjoy a different game to do so without having to deal with fanatics and manchild narcissists whining all the time. Some ppl just love to bitch, and lots of times they dont even realize hat theyve become
You know, seeing your growth and expansion of your craft and the way you handle sensitive and important topics in a well spoken but easily understood way just makes me think you’re the FGC Walter Cronkite or sumn
It's two years later and this discussion is still very relevant. I think people don't bother asking themselves if they're having fun. Most of the people who state these binary opinions about games don't play them competitively at all. I played some SFV and I wasn't having fun so I dropped it and went off to play a different game. MKX is probably one of my favorite fighting games of all time and I know for a fact that it's really stupid on a competitive level. The game is insanely focused on offensive play and 50/50 mixups... But at the end of the day, it's incredibly fun. This is why I like watching Maximilian - he's the guy who asks this question about literally every game he touches - is it fun? And Max is really good at fighting games. People keep asking him why he doesn't compete anymore and he keeps saying the same thing - playing competitively is stressful and it takes the fun out of playing the game that you love.
Hah, elitism. There's so many fighting games out these days that have differing mechanics, that I don't understand why you wouldn't try to find a game that you actually enjoy learning/playing.
Basically every fgc fanbase that gets too big really starts to leak toxicity and elitism after a while. Thats why I love guilty gear, small niche game and theres literally no one outside of the community that can really shit on it and believe the words that are coming out of their mouth (besides it being "too complex" which is untrue)
Same people who hate everything out now and fantasize about the glory days of USF4 hated that game back when it was active and drooled over the glory days of 3rd Strike. A game they probably never even played. Can't take stream monster types seriously in any capacity.
The internet brings us together, also make it easier to complain... I recently discovered sf5 and the FGC... I am probably the worst player ever but the community and tournaments keeps me very entertained! thanx to you man...
I remember when I used to play injustice a long while ago and people IN THE INJUSTICE COMMUNITY were bashing their own game and were saying sf4 took more skill. It was disgusting. I wasnt sure why before but now ik its because of the people Sajam is mentioning
Nice observations, Sajam. I agree. Many people love complaining about fighting games more than playing them. Nowadays SFV gets all the hate and all manners of SFIV were nirvana. Also, love your commentary. I've always thought it is some of the more insightful commentary in the FGC. Keep it up!
jbulletc I suck in Tekken 7 and Guilty Gear Rev 2 and play it everyday. I'm better In SFV than in those games and I don't even play it anymore. Menat looks cool though
Believe it or not, the cancel culture is alive and well in the FGC, it went from a community of passionate gamers just having fun with general experiences and opening to new ideas to a polarized travesty of a community taken over by a huge bunch of narrow minded, partisan, contemptible morons that love to destroy franchises integrities as well as force into other peoples faces what makes a good fighting game and what doesn't, and it's hard to enjoy the community anymore because of it. No amount of combo breakers, Evos, or CEOs can save it from the dumpster fire it has become that just gets worse and worse every year. It's become like the polarized U.S. politics, standing their ground harshly on whats right and fucking up other people that dont think the same, it's like black lives matter but with fighting games, and it's pathetic, now its like "Combo games matter", wasting their energy on blind hatred of mainstream games for the stupidest reasons imaginable, like "complex combinations or no deal" or the obnoxious "2D graphics or no deal"(3D has a right to exist, it should not be a goddamn privilege). It's not become about opinions anymore, it's about cancelling other people because they enjoy something that they despise aggressively, doing their hardest to make people an embarrassment when they are the embarassment themselves for acting like such immature degenerates. Street Fighter has the most toxic community I have ever seen it become, and it's the most popular fighting game franchise of all time, but now the entitled, elistist morons are ruining it good, and it shows. SFV doesn't deserve the dishonor and disgust that it's getting, they literally solved all the problems that plagued SFIV, and it shows, obviously. The combat is fine, the roster is excellent, the new characters are an improvement over IV, the soundtrack is godlike, and the graphics are so much better, the general experience was a lot better. I used to like SFIV, I dislike it, but i used to defend it, but then I never looked back after SFV came out, and I will continue to enjoy it and play it for years to come, even the 5th and final season. If I could give the current state of this whiny ass community a Shin-Shoryuken, I would, it's that bad. Mortal Kombat has also become such a trash community as well, I couldn't believe such a passionate community could sink this low, and its all because of MK11 in which it, again, doesn't deserve the disgust given to the game, it's unbelieveable. 11 is the second best MK game ever, with MK9 being the best out of all of them. MK11 gets all sorts of stupid accusations like "It doesn't have combos" or "it's dull", when has ever a part of the kombat happen to be "dull"? that is a bunch of bullshit as it plays like a dream, unlike the kombat system in MKXL relies way too much on drawn out kombos, as awesome as they are, it deviates from what Mortal Kombat is, it wasn't too much about kombos, it was all about neutral and mind games, and that is what MK11 does perfectly, it's a mixture of MK2 and MK9, nobody could ever go wrong with MK2 and nobody could ever go wrong with MK9, and now the two games fused together with interesting mechanics creating an interesting experience, and it's still not enough? what a disgrace! MK11 was never a garbage game to begin with because it done many things so much better than MKX and MK Deception kombined. Now there is a prolific amount of people that encourage toxicity and shitting other people to defend their annoying beliefs. I feel so bad for the developers that put their heart and soul into MK11 to make it feel acceptable to the masses instead of being viewed as a bully victim for cancellation. Killer Instinct has the biggest downfall of a community I ever seen, turning it from a community of people who are passionate about the game and it's history, to nothing but a bunch of narrow-minded hypocrites, creating a cult that has successfully shitted on the legacy of the new Killer Instinct, which is one of the best fighting games of today, I honestly don't give a shit what their budget is to develop the game, it was unlike anything I ever played. As soon they started introducing ultimates into Killer Instinct, the community just went down the fucking drain into a vile, dumpster fire, shitting on the devs for something out of their control. Iron Galaxy has done a lot of justice to this game than Double Helix could ever hope to achieve, DH literally brought back the game but were so lazy in their offerings, like keeping it exclusive to XBOX one which I thank the gods Iron Galaxy has brought this game out of exclusivity and into pc via MS or Steam, season 1's retros, few of them sucked, there were a myriad of unpolished stuff and glitches in the game, I could go on and on. I could not bring myself to forgive the community for what it has become, i'm not exaggerating, regardless of the #bringbackki bringing back people to appreciating the game for what it is again. Once again, I feel for the developers that have to put up with death threats and comments while developing the game over the years. Adam Heart was right on his tweet saying that Fighting gamers are the worst, he wasn't fooling at all, it's ridiculous! The cancel culture for the FGC has gotta fucking stop, it's gotten way too out of hand, much like the George Floyd protests with too much rage and entitlement, it's only gonna get worse and worse if nothing is to be done! #stopcommunitytoxicity
Kinda explains why SFV turned out the way it did. Designed to be more entertaining to watch with crazy comebacks and whatnot as a response to people calling SFIV boring.
I love to watch SF, but can't play it. Playing Street Fight is for some ungodly reason very dull for me, I can't feel the fun like which I feel when playing Blazblue, MVC, Skullgirls etc. However, I really love to watch people good at SF play the game, lots of hype.
Here is an idea, how about a balanced tournament... Like an "all Ken" or "all Juri" tournament to see who is the best at their character.(everyone who enters plays the same character) Do this for every character and the winners of these "character" tournaments compete as their respective character against the other winners...
An “All Ken” doesn’t result in the winner being the best Ken. All it shows is who is the best at mirror matches while ignoring the rest. Match ups are a big part of fighting games.
Guess Who YES! A mirror match is just another matchup, you may lose the mirror but win against 80% of the cast whereas your opponent may win vs 60% which going off of how many matchups you win would make you the better player
Speaking for myself as a person relatively new to fighting games the major problem is people getting good with their mains. Instead of encouraging new up & coming players, EGO'S become involved Testosterone becomes involved, & something that should be fun turns into something that hurts the soul.
There are a bunch of reasons why people don't want to play NRS games. One of them is the animation, which is 100 times funnier than SFV's hair clipping. The other is that the NRS community is known for not coming out to their own game. The last reason is one that NRS players complain about and that's the frequent balance changes.
True that. It seems that whenever someone tries to say anything positive about any of Capcom's most recent fighting titles, be it SFV or MvCI, they get downvoted, trolled, and ridiculed by either Tekken fanatics and/or DBFZ fanatics who defend their games like they're the messiah of fighting games. The only fighting game that I've really hated was Soul Calibur V for removing most of the iconic cast and replacing most of them with unlikable clones thanks to the completely unnecessary time skip, not to mention the lack of single-player content (no Museum mode, which was a staple for the series since SC1, being one of them), a story mode that reeked of incest fan fiction levels, and the worst and most unlikable main characters to ever grace a video game to date (Seriously, fuck Patroklos and Pyrrha). At least Capcom plans to support their most recent fighting games for many years despite what the negative nancies think. 🙄
Its just your typical "Circlejerk" i guess. Everyone should agree along with the fact that CAPCOM is shit. While some of them are correct, that doesnt mean it hinders my enjoyment right?
Actually, Raphael became malfected by entering in contact with Nightmare's blood in a battle. He only didn't die because Amy nursed him, but by doing so, she also touched the cursed blood and became malfected. No, Raphael wasn't bitten nor bite her. No, it's not the 1st time Iistened to an alternative version of the story.
I was super dismissive of Melty blood for the longest time, but I tried type lumina when it came out and it's some of the most fun I've had with a fighting game
I just hate the REAL GAMERS mentality that comes from all sides, like just enjoy your game but don't pretend to be better than other people who don't play it or play something different.
Is it possible that after SFV, this mentality shifted from other fighting games to Smash, mostly considering the onesided hate relationship the FGC has with the Smash Community.
I appreciate all fighters. Each one is unique in it's own way. Each game has ups and downs according to the individuals opinion. A lot of people knocked SFV due to lack of content but I could care less, I just wanted to play people online. I do understand that there are people out ther who want to play offline modes. I'm sure it's difficult to make these games and hard to please everyone. I do argue though that with this gen, every fighting game should have quality online.
The first fighting game that I bought day 1 and played heavily was Inj2. Since then got obsessed with fighting games... MvCI, Samsho V SP, SFV, Dragonball, Blazblue, etc. I will say - though it was my first - Inj2 is by far the most whack. I still like it, but I def. prefer all the others I listed except maybe MvCI. I’ll still buy and play Inj3, anyways, hah. Just maybe not as a “main game”.
Woah, is that where I learned that mindset from? lol. People have been telling me for years that games like NRS take no skill & that the only reason SonicFox wins all the time is because his competition sucks. I mean there is reason to believe some of it but the mentality is bad.
I think Alot of it is appearance and the style like I feel like they don't like the asthetics of nrs games and ki that's how I felt about ki but the gameplay finally won me over
I'd go 0-2 in every SF anywhere I went, and I cant understand the mind set that I would dominate any other game I would play. I'm not fond of NRS games but I love KI and would 0-2 in those anywhere I went as well.
Injustice to me just looks hella ugly. And like you said in videos on choosing a character, "Pick someone you think looks cool." Well if nobody looks cool because they all look ugly... Also, "Just try it" is a lot easier when it doesn't come with a $50 price tag to try it. I'd love if fighting games gave us some sort of basic demo mode to try it before dropping full price.
That's what I said all the time, what Sajam say here........I love SFV (fight me don't care)....and I LOVE many fighting games as well, Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator is right now the most fun I have playing a fighting game in recent years...and that is playing alone vs the CPU......I don't hate MK or Injustice but I just don't really care to watch them......neither I would EVER go to a video of MKX to shit about the game, why do that if you don't like the game? I see people saying shit about SFV and Im like....why you even HERE watching SFV if you HATE IT? just ignore the game and support the one you love.....I never enter or comment or dislike a video of MKX, or Injustice 2...well actually did one time, when Deadshoot zooning was ass XD....but that was it, and I think I did it because I hated so much the assholes who go to SFV vids that I wanted give it some negativity back....but after that I find that pointless, I rather spend time watching and supporting the videos or events or streams of people who enjoy the games I like, the SFV, the Guilty Gears, the KOF, the Last Blade, etc....I dont get that attitude of shit on a game you dislike or not play, if you don't then just ignored that game.....is that not more negative to the game you dislike, just ignored its existence? Look for example, DBFighterZ is growing, I'm ass at that game but I enjoy watching the game a lot, and the game probably eclipse SFV at EVO, but because people are supporting that game just DO THAT, is better and healthy, support the game you love, ignored the one you are indifferent or plain out hate, that keep everyone on its place and enjoy the shit they like, but the FGC just fucking love to destroy shit, and that's the part I never like of this community.
You rock dude, keep spreading the positive vibes! and if you think the industry is the problem, it's actually the whiny community that is the problem, I feel for the devs nowadays because they don't have any breathing room to step up their game and development efforts because of it.
i always laught maniacly everytime i hear that people hated SF4 and was desperated for SFV to save everything, because seems like everyone forgot that! I played FGs all my life but i never cared about been good or learning them, i was a counter-strike player, pretty good in fact, i played LATAM majors before e-sports was a thing back in 2004/05, so when i decided to learn about FGs i was SHOCKED how everyone was mad with SF4 and by the time(early 2014) my view about SF4 was that game should be everything what people was saying what a good fighting game should be(footsies, zonning, ground, technical), and still, they were hating the game. Honestly, there is a bunch of retardads in this community that we just tolerate because we have that feeling that FGC is too small and may die if we start to put a finger on those idiots faces, i hope that now we are growing in numbers we start to cast out those cancers. Obviously SFV has problems, but people seems to have more fun ranting on their games(no matter which one) than playing them.
Nrs animation and art style is an acquired taste when you compare it to more dynamic handrawn styles. Thats one of the reasons why people down the games.
Tbh any game that isnt an anime fighter feels so wierd to me. I still play them, but its uncomfortable. I keep practicing here and there hopefully i can get good at one of them but i wont even touch an nrs game anymore. it feels like those games are from another planet. Btw kof so good. I dunno what ki feels like but the old ones were fun. I like watching injustice 2 i just dont like playing ir.
I really wanted to like Injustice because I love DC and fighting games, but I hate how the game feels. It never feels satisfying to move, press a button, or do anything. I hated that there was no projectile collision existed so it became every easy to be spaced out and the game just punished not always being offensive. The game felt wack to me. Maybe its because I started fighting games with anime fighting games where I am used to fluidity and being able to cancel my attacks to anything and having so much free form style with my characters.
True that. If those irritating whiners don't like the game, then they shouldn't buy it to begin with. Simple as that. Anyways, can't wait for MvCI to be released in a few weeks. I'm sure the game will have a healthy lifecycle and full term support from Capcom with future DLC characters and content with each season. =D
TFW hearing him talk about Injustice makes you want to get the game but you already have, like, 3 that you play and DBFZ is on the way and you're using all your willpower to not buy the game since you won't be able to give it the attention it deserves.
I was watching and playing smashPM during those days. I hated the art direction for sf4 and didn't like the way the game felt. I fell in love with kof13 though. When SFV came out I was like lemme try this. Went to my locals all of that, but i didnt like the game. I realized i was more into watching it then playing it. I mostly play snk fighters now. Guilty gear is dope too. Cant wait for samsho that's my top game to watch out for this year. The only games I didn't like watching after 5 came out were the nrs games especially injustice 2. I couldn't get into it at all. Mk11 looks great though, going to try to see if i like watching it at combo breaker along with kof 14.
One thing that mystifies me is the hate and looking down on anime fighting games and their players. I can understand being skeptical of them if the anime aesthetic isn't for you, but hating a game and claiming that it is all kinds of bad when you haven't even given it an honest try? It doesn't make sense to me...
Melee is easy? MK is easy? DBFZ is easy? I’m glad I was late to the party of the FGC because that mentality they had would have had me checking people for spouting out such trash.
Shit I thought I used to shit on games like ki, but I never said the game was easy and the players were bad I just thought the game looked cheesy as hell but I've been loving that shit ever since I tried it out
fuck i was like "didnt sajam commentate for umvc3" and i realized that all this time i mistook him for magus and i have no fucking clue who sajam is now since i stopped following fgc post jwong umvc3 win
r/Kappa didn't sponsor players because they thought the game was boring. They sponsored players because they loved the game. Ask Dr Mike if you need proof.
What Sajam meant was, if people cared soooo much about footsies and zoning, they would have sponsored a Ryu and Guile player, for example. By the way, Fuerte players got so much flack back then, people hated the wrestler, but hated footsies even more. It's the footsies falacy present in almost all 2D games.
On the topic of Injustice: There are like three major reasons I believe people dump on it, from at least a spectators point of view: One: The art is ass, plain and simple. Backgrounds are too busy, faces look like dumpster fires, animations are jank; the game is just not fun to look at. Wholly the developers fault on this one, the criticisms have been there since day zero of Injustice 1. This isn't a DC-exclusive issue; Marvel Infinite is getting the same bad reception. Hire better artists! Two: The zoning is very boring, and not because it's "lame." Look at Dante's and Deadpool's bullets in UMVC3, and then compare them to the bullets in Injustice. This somewhat ties into the first point, but zoning in Injustice 2, at least early in its life, was heavy and visually boring. Partially the fault of the developers again, but a lot of DC characters rely on bullets so I can't hoist the blame solely on them. Three: DC movies, outside of Wonder Woman (which was amazing) and The Dark Knight (Thanks to Ledger) have been awful. Completely out of the hands of developers, fully on WB. The brand is damaged because its been bombarded with trash movie after trash movie. The average person doesn't associate DC with quality and they aren't going to want to watch (or play competitively) a game starring characters from bad movies. Hopefully after the well-received Wonder Woman WB pulls its head out of its ass and starts actually trying, and by the time Injustice 3 rolls around Nether Realms hires better artists and DC movies have turned around.
The thing that turned me off to Injustice 1 and 2 honestly is Slade and Deadshot. See lots of people being lame as shit with those characters and made me not want to try the game.
I like how there's countless comments in this section bringing up "Mah NRS animations" as if shit animations in a fighting game is an instant deal breaker.
It’s certainly a deal breaker for a lot of people. Smooth fighting game animations are certainly a high priority because you need very clear strong feedback when playing. That being said if people enjoy the mechanics and are willing to overlook the animations then enjoy it. No shame. For me the combos which aren’t real time really bother me.
The game looks like shit. I love MK, the ninth game made me fall in love with fighting games, so they have a special place in my heart, but every other fighting game looks like a fucking art piece next to MK. It just looks like total garbage despite having some of the best graphics of the current gen, and definitely the best among fighting games. Visuals matter alot in fighting games. Everyone wrote off KoF14 and MVC:I because they looked like shit. Not saying those are bad games, but it certainly is a deal breaker.
i was a street fighter 4 player that said other players in other communities were trash because at the time most of them were. i would hop online killer instinct literally doing yolo combos and playing footsies and wouldnt lose any matches. and look at rico, a street fighter player who was decent picked up ki and won evo. look at PL a street fighter player picked up MK won Evo twice
My take on the negativity issue is that so many players were introduced to fighting games through the SF4 series where they seriously invested their time and money, made new friends, etc. But then SF5 released and it was just too much of a drop off from SF4 in numerous ways. So all these players felt cheated and couldn't just let things go since SF is a huge part of their lives. They needed to make sure people knew that they felt hurt and cheated. Actually the same thing happened when Brawl released, only difference is that the Melee scene is still thriving.
Sooooooo. The fgc is learning what its like to be a sport? Cause this is how sports fans act about other sports. I dare you to talk to a football fan about baseball or soccer. 8/10 times your gonna hear a sweary rant. I know rts and moba fan also do this because this is how sports fandom works. On the bright side that means we made it to the big leagues but also fuuuuuuuuuuck.
Have you considered getting into Pokken at all with the Switch release coming out? I really enjoy it, it's got a really fun neutral focus and is super mindgame based with a really balanced roster, but it doesn't get much attention. In fact, I do some organizing with community projects with the competitive community, would you potentially be up for collaborating on something with some of us?
Most of the negative Capcom players are 09er SF4 fanboys. To them if it isn't Capcom (SF4) it sucks. They are so closed minded. I started with SF2, yet I moved on to GG, marvel, smash, and now Tekken. Then I came across the SF4(only) community, all they do is complain.
If "Street Fighter" players account for the overwhelming majority of the fighting game community I would imagine they qualify as being a part of "the FGC."
