THE ALARMING TRUTH ABOUT ANTI-MORMONISM 

Zelph On the Shelf my dear friend since you are an atheist, I cordially invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. I'm sure that all your fellow atheists would love to financially support someone who has the COURAGE to stand up for his atheistic beliefs. If you choose to ignore or to reject my invitation, it would be crystal clear to ALL YOUR FOLLOWERS that you do not believe that which you preach no pun intended. Do you accept my invitation?

Why should they accept? That nonsense has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along. The Book of Mormon debunks Mormonism!!

Davey Jones you stated " why should they accept " They should accept my invitation, to prove me wrong in front of those who help suport him financially, so they know that their money is going to someone who is truly an ATHEIST, and not a charlatan mascarading as one of "them".

Davey Jones you stated: "that nonsense [ theism ] has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along" If that were true, the atheists would be the majority among the worlds population, and theism would be be nearly eradicated from the face of the Earth. 500 years ago practically all Europeans believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Galileo DEBUNKED that false teaching,and now practically all humanity knows for a fact, that all those Europeans who believed and taught that the Sun revolved around the Earth were wrong,thus most people around the world REJECT that foolish pseudo scientific claim. Thus, if theism "has been DEBUNKED" why are are theists still the majority of the Earth's population?

Davey Jones you stated "the Book of Mormon Debunks Mormonism" I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE THAT STATEMENT. You see, making a claim and proving it are two completely different things. Now if you are truly an ATHEIST, why don't you fight for your beliefs by accepting my invitation to refute the syllogism titled Book of Mormon Debunks Atheism?

Josh Kim He also had sister and mother daughter sets. forbidden in the Bible but it's OK for Joseph Smith. He also childishly put his name throughout the whole Bible. It's talking about Joseph in Egypt and then all of a sudden it mentions Joseph Smith of the united States. how stupid to think that that would be left out of the Bible.

14? So what. In Joseph Smith's time, the legal age for marriage in New York was 14. Marriage at that age was not frowned upon in that time. My wife is a genealogist, and she has several people in her linage who were married that young. :o)

So are you saying that because the idea that someone in his thirties marrying someone who is a teenager back then was ok by that society's standards, that means that it's ok? What if I told you that I had sex with a sixteen year old when I was in my late 20's? Was it also ok for Joseph Smith to use his position as prophet to promise salvation or threaten damnation if these girls said no in order to motivate their decision? According to Tom Compton's In Sacred Loneliness it was justified that a woman could leave her husband in order to get sealed to a man with higher priesthood authority in order to have better status in the celestial kingdom. And because Joseph Smith, being the prophet and holding all the keys, had the highest priesthood authority it was justified that he could have a crack at someone else's wife. Does this not sound like doctrinal justification that can lead to gross abuse of power? Joseph Smith also made some of these proposals when the girl's support network was absent and she was going through some kind of traumatic change. Is this the best time to be leveraging your authoritative position as a coercive influence to get the girl to say yes? Is this ok just because we are to believe that God commanded it, Joseph was threatened by an angel with a drawn sword, and there is no way that God's golden prophet of the restoration can do no wrong? If these circumstances happened in any other group or were perpetuated by any other person than Joseph Smith you would say "charismatic cult leader."

All cults cater to their fleshy lusts, polygamy, polyandry, pedophilia, power, pride, wealth, etc.

Josh Kim that's what I was thinking

I think so, my brother's departure from the church was much more abrupt than mine, I think because he had become interested in how scientologists and jehova's witnesses operate, and saw the similarities.

It was helpful in regards to understanding that I grew up with unrealistic expectations forced upon me. And seeing that the state of my mental and emotional health isn't as simple as me being overly emotional.

Not true. Can you give me an example?

I'm anti-Mormonism and I don't care about their souls! Their souls are in no danger. It's false beliefs (Mormonism, Scientology, Islam) that are simply a waste of precious time and money! There are better things to occupy ones mind (and pocketbook) than ANY religion.

Or.. care for your minds and reasonable social progress. Most atheists don’t believe we have souls or anything supernatural like that. Unless you just use that word as a metaphor for.. something. the human spirit, so to speak

Hi Hale just saw your comment here. wanted to ask if you know how the investigators can receive knowledge through revelation ? is there a way they can know what’s true and what’s not using this experience ?

That’s a mixed bag, most anti Mormon apologist also known as evangelicals really enjoy pointing out who is going to Hell. Atheist apologists don’t believe in souls but are really in to the discovery of personal truth. As A person who still deeply believe in God but holds that all religious dogma is basil’s man made crap. I am also on a journey for personal truth. As my only point of evidence. I can reference NDEs even atheist have them. They point to all a loving God who has no interest in religiosity, the main lesson is learning to love yourself and others. Love and hate cannot exist in the same place.

As well as those who understand that souls (and other magical things) don’t exist and have decided to help society and enjoy the one life we actually do get

LOL'ed at "mental wet willie"

Bailey Hugo I shake my head at how single minded Mormons are

Todd C hey Todd your awesome dude 😀 keep your

Todd C keep your head up 😀

COME ON NO CONFERENCE?

LOL ... I see that wanna-be (*JEDI MORMON*) is pretending to be me (JediMormon), but you can't beat the genuine article, baby!

You should report him to youtube as impersonating yourself.

*"emulation is the best form of adulation."* True, and I'm not upset over someone copy-catting my RU-vid name. It just gives me more material for humor; i.e. "My young Padawan". :oP

Robin Clonts 💜💜💜

David Holdstock I think that was a technique advocated by Elder christofferson wasn't it I'm pretty sure I saw that in like the Seminary teachers manual what I was doing a video on it recently saying something like tape record yourself reading the Joseph Smith story testimony and listen to it and tell it you believe it I'm like you got to be stinking kidding me how is it that somebody doesn't realize what that is the actual words were a little different at the end something like it will facilitate the spirit testifying to you I'm like how can anybody be so mind-wash not to realize that this is mind washing

Joe Stark first and foremost the church is considered perfect, its members are not. You cannot realistically expect a church run by humans to be 100% perfect. Has the church made mistakes, yes. Do those mistakes make the church any less true, no. Critics of the church ignorantly believe that it is the responsibility of the church to educate its members on the entirety of church history. The purpose of Sunday worship services is to teach the thing that will bring us closer to Christ. Anything else is up to the individual member to learn. The information is easily accessible, but not everything you find is accurate.

Interestingly enough, everything you said here is echoed by apologists for the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches - both of which have a far more impressive pedigree in Christian history than the LDS Church.

Adam Johnson Ignorance? The church itself is loaded with ignorance, double standards, and cult controlling aspects. Do people raised in the church really have a testimony when they spend their entire life programmed to say it? The amount of cover ups, misinformation, and alternate histories just blow my mind. I was raised in the church, and I know far more about the truth looking at it from the outside then I ever did on the inside. So much time was spent talking about Joseph smiths history, yet they completely left out the massive list of things that he did, and his inherit scamming nature. A vast majority of the churches members are completely unaware of these things, and that’s lying by omission. People bear testimonies on half assed information, and that just makes me laugh. The church claims to value the truth, that it take criticism from ex Mormons, and is about living Christ like. These are all blatant lies, the church actively hides the truth, ignored ex Mormons, and is taking action against its own members who call them out for being un Christ like, especially with John Dehlin and Sam Young who are trying to protect children and members who have struggles. Sam will most likely be Excommunicated tomorrow for trying to protect the children, being inspired by Christ. John is trying to reduce the suicide rate of youth in the Mormon church, and he was excommunicated. The church and it’s disallowance of black people in history was proven to be a lie, and I can tell you with certainty that the restriction of gay people from being members is just an arbitrary rule set by bigoted clergy that is being upheld until they waver like they did with the racial problems. Doubling down is a solid reason for Utah’s youth suicide rate being so high, and it is extremely un Christlike to destroy families, create apostates out of people who had no choice, and destroying the lives of many who realize this later on. The church is shrouded by layers of ignorance, my family alone block out any outside influence to maintain a strong faith. This is a cult, and that is a prime example of a person being controlled by a cult. They are sexually repressed until they fulfill a church marriage, they have to wear garments, they must pay 10% of their income, and if you fail to do any of these things you are threatened with your damnation for eternity in outer darkness. This is a cult! Until you can objectively look at the reality of the situation, and realize that spiritual feeling is being used as a control mechanism (I get that “holy ghost still small voice” feeling when thinking about pornography and drinking, it is nothing more then a feeling). When the foundations of your faith hinge on feelings, one sided history, and the so called revelations given by man, it has a foundation of sand. When put under the microscope, it is exposed and cannot stand up to its own weight. If you cannot see this, you are not objectively thinking, or lack the comprehension to do so. It is not easy when you spend your whole life programmed by a cult.

The BOM gives me a mental wet willie compared to the sanity of Carl Sagan, Matt Dillahunty, and Christopher Hitchens.

Mormons have long seemed to me to be a hair's breadth from atheism since it doesn't rely on faith in God and his character so much as your own personal testimony, an experience. When that goes, the whole thing comes down. Mormons who have a love for the Bible seem to fare better coming out faith-wise.

lsun5322 We had to switch to an iPhone halfway through because we couldn't find our other equipment :/ So turn it up at that point, anyone else!

JEM Seven, what you just pointed out is exactly why LDS is a cult. Jesus is how we receive salvation, not a church... God is the relationship, NOT any church. So back to my question: dump the self-serving church. But keep God. We all need a relationship with the divine. There are so many benefits of being in relationship with the Creator. Why can't really fine Mormons like these two FIND their faith in Scripture taught by a Bible-honoring church?

JEM Seven, your compassionate insight impresses me. It's like becoming a man-bashing feminist because the ex-husband was a lying, adulterous, abuser. One a$$hole is not an accurate statistical sampling of half the human population... I hate that ex-Mormons lose Jesus. I hate that ex-Mormons lose their salvation. I hate that ex-Mormons lose the knowledge of All Powerful God's all powerful love for them. I hate that ex-Mormons lose. Period. They succeed in leaving the lie, but fail to keep traveling to the destination of TRUTH. If I was satan, counterfeit religious cults (like LDS and Islam) would be my top strategy for ruining eternity for billions of people made in the image of God.

Mormonism did not exist until 1830, people followed and lived for Jesus before that, so it does not.

It's NOT evidence based though. You're still lying to yourself. There's NO evidence of intelligent design that hasn't been debunked if you actually go out and do the research from an objective point of view, rather than just ignoring the stuff you don't like. The short answer to your question, as proven IN your own comment, is NO. It's apparently NOT possible to be religious and think critically. You just proved that by claiming that intelligent design is in any way evidence based.

jwebb1975 Haha, perhaps ;)

Maximizing Your Fullest Potential / Michael Friant Samantha is the convert!

I'm saying as a convert myself.

I fell in love with y'all through the Mormonism and me video by Tanner. So beautifully stated. Especially when you described how you just wanted truth and not the whitewashed story they present.

Russ Vollmer You caught me - I'm a total narcissist!

And Tanner is a leftist!

steve Snipes thanks man!

Rusty Schackleford Definitely! Send us the file through a message on our FB page. Or just paste it, whatever works. :)

Omg THANK YOU!!!! I think I was just more depressed here?! Can’t fully remember!!

@@ZelphOntheShelf well if that ain't a mood. glad you're less depressed these days!!! regardless of the reason it's great to see how you've evolved in your work. ily!!!

Since the word profound has been introduced into the conversation I think I'll ask a really profound question which is is it necessary for one to live in Utah or to have Pioneer Heritage to use the term" and whatnot"??

Another philosophical question do you think I should feel rejected now that I've been excommunicated from three different subreddits having to do with Mormonism including LDS Latter Day Saints and ex-mo,? And don't assume doesn't play well with others as a valid reason

If you study the parable of the sower, you will notice that it gives the various ways of having a faith crisis from the true church, but that it doesn't say that the participants converse with each other and congratulate one another. This doesn't men they don't do it, and you have proven they do - nothing more.

Eric Lawton If you actually study and follow Christ's teachings you will see the error in your view. All the best

My view was that the parable didn't say that the pissweak failures would compliment each other. Now, I don't care how much anyone studies Christ's teachings, they will not see any error in that. You are welcome to point one out, if that's your opinion, but I am certain you are just a bozo who is pissin in my ear, and I won't get a thing from you. As for following Christ's teachings, that will not point out an error where no error exists. Tell me? One who has been LDS, - did you join because we weren't following Christ's teachings? Now, of the 50,000 sects that pretend to teach Christ's teachings, which is it that has changed your mind? Why didn't you go there first? What teachings are right in yours and wrong in ours? Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? Apart from it being plainly stupid, it does meet Satan's standard of anything is good, just as long as it opposes Mormonism. Yes, even Christians support atheists. The poof David Holdstock is just the same. That Little in your name stands for little sense.

" Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? " The biblical God is an athiest. He doesn't believe in any Gods or having a God himself. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:" .................................................................................................. He also says that you have no chance of being a God either, declaring his Athiesm to be eternal and unchangeable.......... Isaiah 45:5 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

You really are an idiot. If the biblical God says there are no others besides Him, then He can't be an atheist - He has to believe even He is not a God for that to be true. Your take on Isaiah is dependent on conditions after death, and God was speaking to the living about their current conditions. While this world continues with mortals on it, there are no real Gods but the one true God. However, it doesn't mean in another realm and time there are not multiple Gods. As His children, we are capable of being just like He is. You really are an idiot.

Jonathan Hatch Doesn't everyone?

"shunning" No, that is not a practice of Mormons, and we are encouraged to love and understand them. But Mormons are human, and it can happen.

cdowis and so you do abstain from tea?

Yes, green or black tea. Herbal tea is ok.

cdowis is it the caffeine?

I don't know if caffeine is on green tea.

Palmer Dickson Haha even though it fell flat? Bless your heart

Just try it...you’ll feel good!

John Lee thanks for staying in the moron cult.. hopefully some day you find the “true” church of god.

But as Kant put it, "Happiness is not an ideal of reason, but of imagination." And some philosophers think that reason and learning are the highest good or should be the supreme goal. (Personally, I find efforts to logically prove it ridiculous, metaphysical nonsense.) Ultimately, though, I don't think anyone can logically prove any supreme meaning to life except through arbitrary syllogisms. Like you said in the John Dehlin interview, life has whatever meaning you ascribe to it. I couldn't have said it better. Anyways, that's my speech where I probably made a few assumptions about your personal epistemology. Ah well. Ignorance is bliss. If you read this, know that I'm honored to have warranted the attention of such prestigious, renowned, ex-Mormons. *wink*